History Headscratchers / Borderlands

22nd Oct '15 2:28:24 PM Discar
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** [[spoiler: No one programmed the Guardian Angel at all. ''2'' reveals that Angel is a Siren (which have an as-yet-undefined connection with the Eridians) and not only connected to Hyperion, but the daughter of the current CEO, Handsome Jack.]]

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** [[spoiler: No one programmed the Guardian Angel at all. ''2'' reveals that Angel is a Siren (which have an as-yet-undefined connection with the Eridians) and not only connected to Hyperion, but the daughter of the current CEO, Handsome Jack.]]
18th Oct '15 4:00:03 AM LongGunner15
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** [[spoiler]]No one programmed the Guardian Angel at all. ''2'' reveals that Angel is a Siren (which have an as-yet-undefined connection with the Eridians) and not only connected to Hyperion, but the daughter of the current CEO, Handsome Jack.[[/spoiler]]

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** [[spoiler]]No [[spoiler: No one programmed the Guardian Angel at all. ''2'' reveals that Angel is a Siren (which have an as-yet-undefined connection with the Eridians) and not only connected to Hyperion, but the daughter of the current CEO, Handsome Jack.[[/spoiler]]
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18th Oct '15 3:57:08 AM LongGunner15
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**[[spoiler]]No one programmed the Guardian Angel at all. ''2'' reveals that Angel is a Siren (which have an as-yet-undefined connection with the Eridians) and not only connected to Hyperion, but the daughter of the current CEO, Handsome Jack.[[/spoiler]]
12th Apr '15 10:30:45 AM Discar
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* Or she was referencing Steve. All she said was "you broke into hubby #1's house" and we do see someone resembling Steve giving Athena some food just before you get to her. Steve may have been crashing in the Palace for some reason (giving Chaz a pedi?)

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* ** Or she was referencing Steve. All she said was "you broke into hubby #1's house" and we do see someone resembling Steve giving Athena some food just before you get to her. Steve may have been crashing in the Palace for some reason (giving Chaz a pedi?)
11th Apr '15 8:55:58 PM CEOIII
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* Or she was referencing Steve. All she said was "you broke into hubby #1's house" and we do see someone resembling Steve giving Athena some food just before you get to her. Steve may have been crashing in the Palace for some reason (giving Chaz a pedi?)
8th Apr '15 12:03:33 PM Discar
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*** The satellite is called [=AN631=], which is leetspeak for "Angel", and a Hyperion logo. My guess is that Hyperion knew of the vault and kept the satellite around in the event of a rival corporation (like the Atlas-backed Crimson Lance) attempted to take its contents. Why this is done by siccing adventurers on them instead of orbital bombardment is beyond me.
**** I thought that looked like a communications satelite. IF they bombarded the vault with the satellite itself, it would be destroyed and they'd be unable to watch the vault. If it was a comms satellite, then it wouldn't have weapons. So what else to do other than let people know where the trouble is -- people who would do something about it.
**** I always thought the implication was that the guardian angel ''was'' the satellite, that "she" was an artificial intelligence left behind to guide the generations of inevitable vault hunters.
**** My impression is that GA was ''also'' watching you for research purposes (if that last...[[BossSubtitles thing]] that [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot happened]] is to be taken seriously). Which explains why she panics when the systems go down and she can't see you, even though she could contact you by other means, like by the scientist girl -- she can't acquire combat data if she doesn't ''see'' you fighting. Sending you to fight the Destroyer was the final objective both because it would keep him from escaping ''and'' would provide her / Hyperion with delicious, delicious data (and, since she belongs to Hyperion, killing a bunch of Atlas soldiers on the way is a nice bonus). Seems to fit perfectly with the game's theme of having the seemingly nice corporations being selfish, greedy bastards all along. As for how she contacted you at the bus, you weren't very far from the Claptrap -- seems to me she would have no reason to only contact you moments before you reach Fyrestone unless she was waiting until you got near the ECHO the Claptrap was carrying.

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*** ** The satellite is called [=AN631=], which is leetspeak for "Angel", and a Hyperion logo. My guess is that Hyperion knew of the vault and kept the satellite around in the event of a rival corporation (like the Atlas-backed Crimson Lance) attempted to take its contents. Why this is done by siccing adventurers on them instead of orbital bombardment is beyond me.
**** ** I thought that looked like a communications satelite. IF they bombarded the vault with the satellite itself, it would be destroyed and they'd be unable to watch the vault. If it was a comms satellite, then it wouldn't have weapons. So what else to do other than let people know where the trouble is -- people who would do something about it.
**** ** I always thought the implication was that the guardian angel ''was'' the satellite, that "she" was an artificial intelligence left behind to guide the generations of inevitable vault hunters.
**** ** My impression is that GA was ''also'' watching you for research purposes (if that last...[[BossSubtitles thing]] that [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot happened]] is to be taken seriously). Which explains why she panics when the systems go down and she can't see you, even though she could contact you by other means, like by the scientist girl -- she can't acquire combat data if she doesn't ''see'' you fighting. Sending you to fight the Destroyer was the final objective both because it would keep him from escaping ''and'' would provide her / Hyperion with delicious, delicious data (and, since she belongs to Hyperion, killing a bunch of Atlas soldiers on the way is a nice bonus). Seems to fit perfectly with the game's theme of having the seemingly nice corporations being selfish, greedy bastards all along. As for how she contacted you at the bus, you weren't very far from the Claptrap -- seems to me she would have no reason to only contact you moments before you reach Fyrestone unless she was waiting until you got near the ECHO the Claptrap was carrying.



*** I assumed it was her breasts that were doing it.

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*** ** I assumed it was her breasts that were doing it.



*** I'm pretty sure that when you spend your whole life knowing the next buch of people to wander past might try to put a bullet in your head, you start keeping grenades within reach at all times. Even in the bathroom.

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*** ** I'm pretty sure that when you spend your whole life knowing the next buch of people to wander past might try to put a bullet in your head, you start keeping grenades within reach at all times. Even in the bathroom.
8th Apr '15 8:16:52 AM PixelLynx
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*** I'm pretty sure that when you spend your whole life knowing the next buch of people to wander past might try to put a bullet in your head, you start keeping grenades within reach at all time. Even in the bathroom.

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*** I'm pretty sure that when you spend your whole life knowing the next buch of people to wander past might try to put a bullet in your head, you start keeping grenades within reach at all time.times. Even in the bathroom.
8th Apr '15 8:15:47 AM PixelLynx
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*** I'm pretty sure that when you spend your whole life knowing the next buch of people to wander past might try to put a bullet in your head, you start keeping grenades within reach at all time. Even in the bathroom.
13th Mar '15 12:15:24 PM Discar
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* Yeah, so the Guardian Angel can talk to you because of the ECHO system, right? This was shown when the Angel couldn't communcate when the system was shut down and explained in the ending. Then how, exactly, does the Angel talk to you while you're in the bus, before you get the ECHO setup from Claptrap?

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[[folder:Angel and the ECHO down]]

* Yeah, so the Guardian Angel can talk to you because of the ECHO system, right? This was shown when the Angel couldn't communcate communicate when the system was shut down and explained in the ending. Then how, exactly, does the Angel talk to you while you're in the bus, before you get the ECHO setup from Claptrap?




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* FridgeLogic: If you find yourself being unable to abide by the MST3KMantra, you will have trouble enjoying this game.
** For example, how does a shotgun loaded with shotgun shells fire rockets?
*** This is a setting with teleportation technology and a TARDIS as standard-issue military equipment to store a personal arsenal. You're seriously asking if they can convert shotgun shells to rockets in the chamber?
** More importantly, ''who stores grenades in a toilet?''
*** Everyone on Pandora is so {{badass}}, they eat metal and shit bullets.
**** I think you mean "they eat metal and shit grenades." That's why there are grenades in the toilet. And also where Bandit Psychos get the grenade they charge with.
** The only illogical thing that actually bothered me was why the hell Skagzilla has laser-breath? But then it dawned on me: Godzilla! After that, it was perfectly logical that a big-ass alien dog called something-zilla could breath lasers.
** Why do the Crimson Lance, mercs working for the Atlas corporation, almost never have Atlas weapons, especially considering how powerful they are?
*** Because they're mercenaries and not employees. They have to find/buy/steal/loot/liberate Atlas weapons just like everyone else. Employees of Jakobs corporation, however, are expected to use Jakobs weaponry.
** Pandora is a completely alien world with life-forms emerging from an entirely different evolutionary tree from humans, and yet Skag Meat is [[NoBiochemicalBarriers Nutritious and Delicious!]]
*** Well... skags eat anything and some creatures do change somewhat based on what they eat. Pink flamingos, for instance, get their pink color from their diet. Though that brings up the question of if a skag eats a pink flamingo, would you get a pink skag?
** Why does the punch-tacular Brick use a pipe for regular melee instead of his fists?
*** He uses it as a nerf, obviously.

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[[folder:Shotgun rockets]]

* FridgeLogic: If you find yourself being unable to abide by the MST3KMantra, you will have trouble enjoying this game.
** For example, how
How does a shotgun loaded with shotgun shells fire rockets?
*** ** This is a setting with teleportation technology and a TARDIS as standard-issue military equipment to store a personal arsenal. You're seriously asking if they can convert shotgun shells to rockets in the chamber?
** More importantly, ''who
chamber?

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[[folder:Grenades]]

* ''Who
stores grenades in a toilet?''
*** ** Everyone on Pandora is so {{badass}}, {{badass}} they eat metal and shit bullets.
**** ** I think you mean "they eat metal and shit grenades." That's why there are grenades in the toilet. And also where Bandit Psychos get the grenade they charge with.
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with.

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[[folder:Skagzilla]]

*
The only illogical thing that actually bothered me was why the hell Skagzilla has laser-breath? But then it dawned on me: Godzilla! After that, it was perfectly logical that a big-ass alien dog called something-zilla could breath lasers.
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lasers.

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[[folder:Crimson Lance and Atlas weapons]]

*
Why do the Crimson Lance, mercs working for the Atlas corporation, almost never have Atlas weapons, especially considering how powerful they are?
*** ** Because they're mercenaries and not employees. They have to find/buy/steal/loot/liberate Atlas weapons just like everyone else. Employees of Jakobs corporation, however, are expected to use Jakobs weaponry. \n**

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[[folder:Skag Meat]]
*
Pandora is a completely alien world with life-forms emerging from an entirely different evolutionary tree from humans, and yet Skag Meat is [[NoBiochemicalBarriers Nutritious and Delicious!]]
*** ** Well... skags eat anything and some creatures do change somewhat based on what they eat. Pink flamingos, for instance, get their pink color from their diet. Though that brings up the question of if a skag eats a pink flamingo, would you get a pink skag?
**
skag?

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[[folder:Brick's Pipe]]
*
Why does the punch-tacular Brick use a pipe for regular melee instead of his fists?
*** ** He uses it as a nerf, obviously.obviously.

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[[folder:Respawning]]



*** It should be obvious that the original story takes place entirely before any of the DLC. In fact, canon-wise, they all happen in order, non-concurrently. Yes, even Moxxie.
*** Given that he seems to be narrating the main story as well...

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*** ** It should be obvious that the original story takes place entirely before any of the DLC. In fact, canon-wise, they all happen in order, non-concurrently. Yes, even Moxxie.
*** ** Given that he seems to be narrating the main story as well...



*** As of the 4th DLC, every single boss in the game respawns or shows up in the Underdome... except the Destroyer. Bandits, Lancers, and zombies be damned - in the end, you really did save Pandora.

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*** ** As of the 4th DLC, every single boss in the game respawns or shows up in the Underdome... except the Destroyer. Bandits, Lancers, and zombies be damned - in the end, you really did save Pandora.



** One of the New-U quotes in the second game confirms that New-Us are *not* canon. So yes, the enemies you kill in the series do in fact stay dead (unless they are subsequently zombified or claptrapped).
** That was in ''Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep'', which was a ShowWithinAShow.

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** One of the New-U quotes in the second game confirms that New-Us are *not* canon. So yes, the enemies you kill in the series do in fact stay dead (unless they are subsequently zombified or claptrapped).
** That was in ''Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep'', which was a ShowWithinAShow.

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* At the end of the game, it's implied that the guardian angel misled you into gathering the parts to the vault key and opening the vault so that you would end up defeating the Destroyer before it could get free and thus saving the universe (or at least Pandora) from annihilation. Except ... wasn't the only reason the Destroyer was a threat at all was because you ''unlocked the door and released it''? Wouldn't it have been easier and much less risky (what if you failed to kill it?) to simply destroy the vault key and leave it locked away within the vault forever? (Wasn't that the goal of the Guardians? So, weren't they technically good guys?)
** FanWank perhaps, but the implication is that the Destroyer would eventually become strong enough to break out of the vault without the keys. So, the vault must be opened every two hundred years and it must be defeated to keep it weak enough to contain.
** Borderlands 2 outright says [[spoiler:Handsome Jack planned the whole thing out, using the original four Vault Hunters to kill the Destroyer so that the Vault would spread Eridium around the planet, which he could then gather, use to make massive amounts of money and seize control of Hyperion, then pump the rest into the Vault Key and use it to activate the Warrior]]. So yeah, you pretty much spent the entire game being the extremely badass minion of the real villain.

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* At the end of the game, it's implied that the guardian angel misled you into gathering the parts to the vault key and opening the vault so that you would end up defeating the Destroyer before it could get free and thus saving the universe (or at least Pandora) from annihilation. Except ... wasn't the only reason the Destroyer was a threat at all was because you ''unlocked the door and released it''? Wouldn't it have been easier and much less risky (what if you failed to kill it?) to simply destroy the vault key and leave it locked away within the vault forever? (Wasn't that the goal of the Guardians? So, weren't they technically good guys?)
** FanWank perhaps, but the implication is that the Destroyer would eventually become strong enough to break out of the vault without the keys. So, the vault must be opened every two hundred years and it must be defeated to keep it weak enough to contain.
** Borderlands 2 outright says [[spoiler:Handsome Jack planned the whole thing out, using the original four Vault Hunters to kill the Destroyer so that the Vault would spread Eridium around the planet, which he could then gather, use to make massive amounts of money and seize control of Hyperion, then pump the rest into the Vault Key and use it to activate the Warrior]]. So yeah, you pretty much spent the entire game being the extremely badass minion of the real villain.

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[[folder:Angel and the Vault]]



*** The name and logo on the satellite are a pretty big coincidence in that case.
** Plus she is, you know, [[spoiler:the daughter of Hyperion's president]].
** In ''Borderlands 2'', it is explained that Handsome Jack knew what the Vault actually contained through unspecified means, [[spoiler:and through him so did Angel]].

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*** ** The name and logo on the satellite are a pretty big coincidence in that case.
** Plus she is, you know, [[spoiler:the daughter of Hyperion's president]].
** In ''Borderlands 2'', it is explained that Handsome Jack knew what
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the Vault actually contained through unspecified means, [[spoiler:and through him so did Angel]].armoury]]



*** And what exactly stops them from taking a gun to his face and saying "We enter ''our'' armory when we want, we stay as long as we want and when we're done, you can take what you need". Why would the Vault Hunters accept such a shitty deal, when they are capable of demanding better ?

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*** ** And what exactly stops them from taking a gun to his face and saying "We enter ''our'' armory when we want, we stay as long as we want and when we're done, you can take what you need". Why would the Vault Hunters accept such a shitty deal, when they are capable of demanding better ??

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[[folder:Vera]]



* Okay, this one carries some UnfortunateImplications as well, but where the hell are all the ''female'' bandits, discounting that one, [[spoiler:Lilith, the Firehawk]]. Surely there would be a few Female Bandits around, at least, and them being absent is more than a little... unsettling in my opinion.
** Laney White is another. It is implied that the male bandits kill most of the women for fun. ''The Horrible Hunger of the Ravenous Wattle Gobbler'' adds a male and female character from most groups/areas.

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* Okay, this one carries some UnfortunateImplications as well, but where the hell are all the ''female'' bandits, discounting that one, [[spoiler:Lilith, the Firehawk]]. Surely there would be a few Female Bandits around, at least,
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and them being absent is more than a little... unsettling in my opinion.
** Laney White is another. It is implied that the male bandits kill most of the women for fun. ''The Horrible Hunger of the Ravenous Wattle Gobbler'' adds a male and female character from most groups/areas.
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12th Mar '15 2:00:29 PM KrisDK
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*** And what exactly stops them from taking a gun to his face and saying "We enter ''our'' armory when we want, we stay as long as we want and when we're done, you can take what you need". Why would the Vault Hunters accept such a shitty deal, when they are capable of demanding better ?
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