History Headscratchers / BleachOrihime

*** The ExecutiveMeddling with regard to the Hueco Mundo arc seems to have been requiring that all of the fights get shown on-panel in their entirety, which could easily have crowded out other non-battle stuff that Kubo had in mind.

*** I think Ichigo's feelings towards her have developed, it's just very subtle. Her well-being becomes his BerserkButton in Hueco Mundo, and she somehow affects him. It could be that she just gets a whole 'nother side of his protective instincts, her being that smiling, friendly girl he knows. Whatever feelings he has in regards to her, he definitely is hell-bent on protecting her.

** Given that the main reason the arc was so long was due to pointless padding, I doubt Kubo couldn't have worked that in if he wanted too. The execs may have forced him to extend to arc, but I imagine it was up to him HOW to extend it.

** That's right. It already was the longest arc in the series; had Kubo kept this subplot there, it would've been even longer.

*** The uniform changing isn't what's strange. It would be natural for Orihime to still be wearing her third uniform[[hottip:+:I count four uniforms in the series. 1)The first uniform at the beginning of the series- apparently the winter one- which has a gray jacket over the standard uniform. 2)The one that debuts in the Kon arc, and just has the standard shirt, neckwear and shorts/skirt. 3)The one that debuts after the fight with Grimmjow's Fracciones, which has the aforementioned sleeveless sweater. 4)The one Orihime is wearing just before going back to the real world and being kidnapped, with the long-sleeved sweater]] having not had the opportunity to go back to get other clothes. What's strange is she apparently went back at some point, got the fourth uniform and continued wearing it even when not required to do so (if she hadn't had it already brought it along).

** Time constraints? You're saying the Arrancar arc suffered from ''time constraints''?

** Not really, my guess is that Kubo was going to do something more involved with Orihime and then abandoned it due to time constraints. It was also twice foreshadowed that Orihime was "damaged" in some way during her stay there, but nothing ever came of that either.

** He was no longer [[DeathIsCheap dead]] at the time, and I'm pretty sure he was conscious since he talked to Nel and Orihime a few pages (maybe a chapter?) beforehand. That, and he could stand on his own and had enough strength to stop Grimmjow from choking Orihime, so he was not in ''top'' health, but he was definitely alive and kicking.

* What the heck are Orehime's powers? They've been described as being shinigami-like, as opposed to Chad's hollow-like Fullbringer powers, and nobody in the Fullbring arc has called her a Fullbringer, so that would imply that they're something different, but nobodies offered any explanation yet. Are living humans with unique supernatural powers common, maybe?

** Not really, my guess is that Kubo was going to do something more involved with Orihime and then abandoned it due to time constraints. It was also twice foreshadowed that Orihime was "damaged" in some way during her stay their, but nothing ever came of that either.

* During the Hueco Mundo Arc, Aizen shows Orihime the Hogyoku to show that he's telling the truth about his plans, but all to indirectly troll with Orihime's mind so she would eventually develop a bit of trust in him (this doesn't happen). Then when she leaves by herself, she resolves to devise a way to get the Hogyoku herself with the powers she's been practicing beforehand, now that she knows where he's keeping it. ...THIS NEVER COMES UP AGAIN. Is there some excuse for this other than Kubo's habit of leaving plots dangling?

*** Of course he isn't done with her. The man's practically Bleach's [[XanatosGambit Xanatos]]. He's probably just waiting patiently for her to heal the Hogyoku while he whittles down Soul Society's fighting (if that happens), and testing his resources against the other captains in close-combat (we've already seen that Tousen's mask is superior to the other Vizards). The man wouldn't show the girl the Hogyoku, and tell her she can reject anything from existence, would he? I've got a WMG posted about his plans, so go and read it, and see what I'm getting at. He most likely liked to her about her power's extent, to get her to do what he wants her to, by intentionally lying to her, and point her powers in the direction he wants them to [[MemeticMutation "Just as planned"]].

* During the Hueco Mundo Arc, Aizen shows Orihime the Hogyoku to show that he's telling the truth about his plans, but all to indirectly troll with Orihime's mind so she would eventually develop a bit of trust in him (this doesn't happen). Then when she leaves by herself, she resolves to devise a way to get the Hogyoku herself with the powers she's been practicing beforehand. ...THIS NEVER COMES UP AGAIN. Is there some excuse for this other than Kubo's habit of leaving plots dangling?

*** The Grimmjow fight wasn't that bloody on Ichigo's part. He came out of it with one or two wounds. You can clearly see some blood on Ichigo's face, and a litte on/around his shoulders but that's about it. The blood was most likely drying by then, so it wouldn't result is a very large stain on her dress anyway. Besides, the scene after the fight ends is more light-hearted, and is a nice break; it wasn't meant to be taken so seriously. Also, with the way Ichigo is holding her, there would've been a red stain in a [[NoPeriodsPeriod very awkward place.]][[http://www.mangareader.net/94-740-9/bleach/chapter-286.html]][[http://www.mangareader.net/94-740-10/bleach/chapter-286.html]][[http://www.mangareader.net/94-740-11/bleach/chapter-286.html]]

*** Hacchi didn't really say that because he was focused on comparing her barrier abilities to his barrier abilities. It was mostly the other Visoreds that somewhat ambiguously viewed it as that. Hacchi said her hairpins were more like a zanpakutou and was puzzled by her abilities. He also couldn't heal Ichigo's hollow-caused wounds because Visored powers were hollow-influenced and would only make it worse. Even being around the Visoreds was damaging to Ichigo's recovery yet Orihime healed his wounds in the blink of an eye with none of the Visored problems which also displays a big difference between hers and Hacchi's powers. Whatever Orihime's powers are, we haven't been given any answers yet. Ryuken said that her powers are "human powers" rather than "shinigami powers" or "hollow powers", but since he listed Sado's powers, Ginjou's powers and Quincy powers under the same category, that doesn't tell us anything either.

* Okay, I apologize for this, as Orihime-supporters will hate me. However, her character is really beginning to drive me insane. In the most recent manga chapter, when [[spoiler: Ichigo's gotten a giant hole blown through his chest (and is most likely dead) and Uryû's lost an arm]], she ''just sits there and has a mental breakdown.'' We (and she) know by now that she is perfectly capable of healing those kinds of injuries, as she has fixed both during the current arc. But instead of doing something about it, she just sits there and [[spoiler: ''asks the apparently dead Ichigo what she should do'']]!
** I won't hate you for disliking Orihime, but I will get annoyed at seeing yet another person who seemingly just skimmed through the chapter and then started relentlessly bashing Orihime. She DID do what she was capable of, she used her shield-shield to stop Ichigo's fall, her healing-shield to heal him and tried using her shield-shield to protect Ishida from Ulquiorra after his display of heroism.
** Also note that even if she ''tried'' to heal him again, at that point there was absolutely nothing preventing Ulquiorra from stopping her. Ichigo and Uryuu are both down for the count [[spoiler: temprorarily, in Ichigo's case]], so even if she wanted to do something, Emocar would just grab her and carry her off someplace.
** And let's be honest here, what would you have done in her shoes? The entire Hueco Mundo Arc has been one big [[BreakTheCutie nightmare for her]]. She's been kidnapped, physically beaten, [[MindRape Mind-Raped]], and forced to see the guy she loves with a hole in his chest. ''Twice''. Between that and all of her pre-existing issues, this troper is amazed that she lasted this long without a breakdown. And she managed to hold it back until after she'd gotten to Ichigo and started healing him.
*** Agreed with the above. What would you tell a real person having an emotional breakdown? Seriously, I'm not even an Orihime fan, but this kind of attitude is just repulsive and callous.
*** I would have snapped already. Kubo is slowly [[{{Flanderization}} flanderizing]] the poor girl.
*** On the other hand, as long as she doesn't attack any of the arrancar, Aizen's orders make her untouchable.
*** Not anymore. "Aizen said he's done with you. You know what that means? Now I can do anything I want to you and he won't get mad at me!"
** I actually interpreted it more as being a question about triage, Uryu and Ichigo landed a distance apart from each other, too far for her two-spirit shield to span (otherwise she would've done it over the giant guy's entire body rather than the innefficient part of his arm that she did. Ichigo had a better chance of winning/protecting her, but his injuries would have taken a lot more time to heal. Uryu is also very badly hurt, and the time it took to heal either of them would be enough for the other to die. Orihime has not yet had to make this choice.
*** So? It's been said about a thousand times: Her power isn't healing; it's "phenomenon rejection". I don't see any reason she can't raise the dead, so all she has to do is get out of Hueco Mundo alive, perhaps with some portion of Ichigo's and Uryu's remains to work on.
*** In fact, she ''has'' raised the dead at least once. She revived an arrancar who'd had the entire upper half of her body destroyed by Grimmjow's Cero.
** My main problem with the scene is Orihime screaming for Ichigo's help despite resolving to get stronger and him seemingly being dead at the moment. Throughout the Arrancar arc, she has been struggling to be of some use to her friends, but was thwarted by Urahara refusing to let her fight and by Ulquiorra kidnapping her. This seemed to be an excellent opportuity to at least try to do something for her friends now that Ichigo, the one whom she typically relies on, is incapacitated and possibly dead, but Orihime instead panicked and screamed for help, triggering Ichigo's SuperpoweredEvilSide. While she does acknowledge it to be a mistake, she misses yet another opportuity to help when, rather than try something like an AnguishedDeclarationOfLove or even a CooldownHug to return Ichigo to normal, she calls out to him to no effect. I like Orihime, and admire her resolve in the face of all her hardships, but feel that circumstances beyond her control that Kubo writes into the plot constantly prevent her from shining, and that it can be quite frustrating.
*** To be fair, in either of those scenarios, it would appear very shippy. Plus, the [[PortmanteauCoupleName IchiRuki]] shippers would have a freak out.

* You know, I didn't understand why Orihime haters would call her a MarySue. I even put her through a litmus test to make sure, and she didn't score too badly. But then it hit me. ''Orihime has no flaws.'' Seriosly, she's a freaking saint. I'm trying to name some sort of hindering vice that she has but all I'm getting is ditzyness (doesn't count) and cowardice (justified in her situation) Honestly, the girl's so caring, selfless, and kind that it's [[TastesLikeDiabetes sickening.]] It's like she's never thought a bad thought in her life. ''People like that don't exist.'' 'Cept maybe Jesus, but that's a whole other story. This was forgivable when the manga began and she wasn't a developed character yet, but we're over 300 chapters in. Orihime may not be a total Sue, but she's unrealistic on a DisneyPrincess type level.
** Being a TastesLikeDiabetes caliber character isn't synonymous with being a Sue, and this troper wouldn't even call her unrealistic, since she acts like one of his closest friends to a T. A character is a Sue if the universe seems to constantly bend to accommodate her. Ironically, Orihime has the ''ability'' to make this happen, yet she only uses it to a small extent (like healing her friends). More seriously, she ''was'' the catalyst of the Hueco Mundo arc and of Ichigo's most recent flirtation with his SuperpoweredEvilSide, several characters have put their lives and sanity on the line to protect her (Ichigo, Tatsuki, Ishida, Chad), the BigBad appeared to take a particular interest in her abilities, and she almost single-handedly taught NietzscheWannabe Ulquiorra ThePowerOfFriendship.
*** You completely missed the point. '''Orihime. Has. No. Flaws.''' ''That'' is why she's unrealistic. Like, DisneyPrincess unrealistic. Or [[{{TheBible}} Jesus]] unrealistic. I'm not saying she's a total Sue (if she were, she and Ichigo would be meant to be) at all. All of those poinst about her role in the story are unnecessary and prove nothing, though.
*** No flaws? Are we talking about the same Orihime here? The one who consistently fails to be able to harm anyone but her own attack power, is so overly naive or simply good a person to have thought to run to Urahara and take off the bracelet rather than fail to kiss her unconscious crush while she was invisible, is still screwed up from her brother trying to eat her to the point where she couldn't look at Ichigo's hollowfied eyes at first, who heals people that she ''knows'' hates her (and after they've attacked her again, still worries about them), and who just got through a HeroicBSOD? Not to mention a ridiculous amount of other things such as her inferiority complex, [[StepfordSmiler Stepford Smiling]], and guilt over being jealous of Rukia. Heck, she even is self-conscious about her [[http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/286/09/ weight]]!
*** Yes, you are absolutely 100% correct... And there's the problem, isn't it? She is selfless, loving, caring, and if she even contemplates doing something bad to someone else or thinks badly of them she goes into a guilt spiral over it. She will heal enemies even if they've been trying to kill her, and is modest and beautiful beyond all means. Everyone who knows her likes her, and she even made a HeroicSacrifice to save the lives of the people she cares about. And then, to top it all off, it turns out that she's a RealityWarper with the power to bend space, time and matter to her will... Oh wait, that's the bloody DEFINITION of a CanonSue! By the time we get to the Hueco Mondo arc the plot REVOLVES around her. The bad guys want her, the good guys want to save her, and she has more power than anyone else. I hate to say this, but you don't get much closer to Orihime in a straight up CanonSue example. In fact, it goes further, because everything that occurred to break her in the Hueco Mondo arc showcased how kind and loving she is, and how much the bad guys want to possess her not only for her literally plot-warping powers, but for how special she is.
** You could also argue against her being a Sue by pointing out that she was completely forgotten by everyone except Ichigo and co. after Aizen's main scheme was revealed (which was well over a year of manga chapters ago), that her attempts to show kindness to Loly and Menoly not only failed to change them but earned her ''another'' beating, and that her so-called rescuers may have [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation other reasons]] for infiltrating Hueco Mundo (Ichigo wants to prove that he is competent/strong, Renji just wants to help Ichigo, Soul Society is willing to send in captains for the sake of sneak attacking Aizen, Byakuya just wants to protect Rukia, Mayuri wants more research specimens, Kenpachi desires carnage, etc.).
*** Criticizing Orihime for being a flawless Mary Sue would be more understandable if it hasn't been ages since she did something actually productive/useful. Maybe the case of her Sue-ness could be made, and it would be more of a problem if she was the main character, but she's spent so much of the series in the background that for her flaws to not be obviously fleshed out is excusable. And either way, it's easy enough to ignore her when she starts to get annoying.
*** Not when the entire Hueco Mondo arc revolves around: a) how caring and loving she is to make a HeroicSacrifice to stop the Arrancar from killing her friends, b) how powerful and special she is that not only do the bad guys want her for her power, but they start to have a vested interest in keeping her for themselves because she's so special, c) how she is a RealityWarper with greater potential than you can shake a stick at, yet she ''doesn't use that immense power to get her friends safely out of Hueco Mondo''. The plot has literally folded itself in and around her. Personally, I didn't mind her too much when she was just part of Ichigo's {{Nakama}} and she was determinedly developing and strengthening her powers, helping out when she could, and participating in the Soul Society Arc. In that arc she was actually finally becoming interesting, with at the end of it she was becoming strong and independent, not relying on Ichigo to save her, and really developing as a character. I was starting to really like her because she was showing this inner strength and her character was growing! It was great! ... And then *snap* she's the new DamselInDistress who is completely at the mercy of the bad guys, who TheHero rushes in bravely to save her while she swoons by his side... Fucking hell, GET A NEW PLOT! I am so SICK of that plot device. Choose something that wasn't OlderThanDirt, would you? Honestly, I'm just really saddened and frustrated by the entire thing because I was finally starting to respect and really LIKE her character by the end of the Soul Society arc! And then she went through {{Chickification}} UpToEleven in Hueco Mondo, and I literally had to stop reading {{Bleach}} for six months because every new chapter I read, I felt like burning the damn thing.
** I would also point out that Orihime's flaws are her emotional problems, her inferiority complex and her inablity to help/fight during, well, fights. (One could also add her earlier head-in-the-clouds personality- it ''did'' get her into trouble at points.) Plus her relying incredibly heavily on Ichigo to save her. Like you said, justified in her scenario. (However, if my WildMassGuessing theory is correct, than Orihime is related to the Royal Realm which would probably let her have some...saint-ish qualities.)
*** I agree, but Orihime bashing tends to focus more on her problems than on her power; her ability to revive the dead only exacerbated Bleach's BoringImmortalHero trend. Her comedic flaws also seem to have mostly disappeared as of Chapter 200, and combined with her effective removal from any sort of combat essentially makes her a DistressedDamsel who's in love with Ichigo in many fans' eyes, thus opening her up to being attacked. DieForOurShip?
** One noticeable problem is her suddenly pacifistic nature and lack of opportunities to use her offensive or defensive powers in meaningful ways. When Numb Chandelier attacks her, Chizuru and Tatsuki in Episode 13, she has no problem destroying it. Unfortunately, because her ability to cut things in half would most likely enable her to kill opponents in one hit, she was revealed to be a pacifist, which weakened her resolve and her attacks (which, unfortunately, also precluded her using her ability to perform non-lethal strikes on her enemies). While in most cases, a character who is unwilling to hurt others finds a reason to fight, (for example, Subaru of [[MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikerS Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS]] is scared of having to fight and hurt people, but decides that she can fight in order to protect others), Orihime has, despite gathering her resolve to help Ichigo, been continuously denied chances to help him in ways other than healing his injuries, either by people who want her to StayInTheKitchen (Uryu, Urahara) or who don't want her to help (Tesla, Loly and Menoly). The part where she breaks down and screams for Ichigo's help after Ulquiorra kills him was quite distressing and a break from her previous character development. Basically, even though she's initially written to be a competent and powerful member of the main cast and wants to help Ichigo and the rest of her friends, she is made unable to contribute through somewhat contrived circumstances.
** For this fan at least, what is most bothersome is that she ISN'T taking advantage of her Sue status. She can freaking reject reality, and yet even when placed in the most trival of circumstances she falls apart and wails like a toddler that just had their lollipop stolen. This troper would stand up and cheer if she would just finally DO SOMETHING. Maybe Ichigo can get killed for real this time and in a fit of rage she goes batshit insane and suddenly her useless attacking ability can slice straight through Aizen or something. I dunno, but her utter incompetence might be the flaw she's missing.
*** This troper always figured that if she used her reality-bending powers to the fullest, then life would pretty much lose all meaning. [[DeathIsCheap Death would mean nothing, since she could just revive anybody]], she'd kill anything and everything in one strike, and she'd feel the need to pretty much fix everything bad that ever happened, ever, [[TengenToppaGurrenLagann much like the reasoning behind another anime/manga protagonist.]]
** It seems pretty obvious to this troper that Orihime is going to be the one to destroy the Hogyoku--she's not killing anything by breaking it, so her resolve to destroy won't be hampered. Plus she'll get to have her [[CrowningMomentofAwesome useful moment]]. We've already seen her swear she'll destroy it.
*** Since the writing seems to go all over the place, it wouldn't surprise this troper if the Hougyoku turned out to be a giant [[MacGuffin MacGuffin]] and Orihime is yet again denied another chance to be useful. It's like she's a reverse Mary-Sue; all that power and it does is make her completely useless.
*** You know what bugs me about this? It's because everyone is taken in by Aizen's talk how Inoue can reject anything from existence. She was told by Aizen, so take it from me when I say...[[ThisIsSPARTA SHE. CAN'T! DO THAT!!]] I've got an essay about this here: http://forum.fanfiction.net/topic/48593/7284287/9 (Second one under [=Saiyan5Nine-tails=]), and it is also posted in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/Bleach Bleach WMG]] section near the bottom. If she really could "reject" the Hogyoku, why did Aizen even bother to show her that bloody orb in the first place? He's been constructing an elaborate illusion for her (and the reader), that her powers are God-Like. She had difficulty rejecting Ulquiorra's reiatsu from his attack on Ichigo after their [[http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/277/11/ first ]][[http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/277/13/ fight]] and couldn't heal Ichigo's hole in their second fight, while earlier, she healed two Shinigami who looked like [[http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/234/10/ this]] and [[http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/234/12/ this]], while Ichigo was [[http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/349/03/ this]]. My point here, is that there is a limit to what she can reject, and since Ulquiorra barely tried with those fodder Shinigami, and put full power into his attack, it means that Orihime has trouble rejecting Reiatsu, and if enough, she can't heal the would at all. Taking this into account, we can assume that her Saten Kesshun is best suited for physical attacks, since canonically in the manga series to my knowledge, that's all we've seen her reject; we've never seen reject any reiatsu-based attacks, like a Cero, only the wind created from impacts of such attack. Plus, they are fragile, as Tsubaki has reluctantly shown us, such as when he was met by Yammy's hand, and broke apart. At best, her healing ability is spacial recomposition (repairing the damage done to an object), which means she's only doing what Aizen wants her to in the end.
*** Even if Orihime is as powerful as claimed, her refusal to use her powers to their fullest extent may be a good thing. Orihime is not a Mary Sue for a variety of reasons, but one of the most important may be that she recognizes her own flaws and understands that her way is not necessarily the best way. She knows that her actions could have unintended consequences, so she tries not to take actions that are too drastic. Unlike Aizen, Orihime does not want to be a god(dess). Her growing pacifism makes sense. It is one thing to engage in a fair fight. It is quite another when you know have the potentially corrupting ''absolute power'' to will your foes ''out of existence entirely.'' Think about it. IF someone you knew had the power to alter reality as they saw fit, wouldn't you want that person, even if they were one of they best people, to refrain?

* So, what's with all the Orihime-hate anyways? I understand that her character can be...grating at times, but a lot of people seem to blow everything up like she's the worst character in existence. Lust Arc, for example, everyone pays attention to her cry for help, but a lot forget about her trying to shield Ishida, heal Ichigo and especially the fact that she seemed willing to ditch healing Ichigo for a moment to heal Ishida instead, on ''top'' of her ''[[BreakTheCutie mental]]'' ''[[HeroicBSOD breakdown]]''. Everything she does is seems to be bad, no matter what. If she had not afraid of Ichigo during the Grimmjow fight; then she`d be a MarySue. Due to her having been afraid, it means that she simply cannot accept Ichigo and was being whiny (You know, despite her brother having been a Hollow that tried to eat her and the fact that Ichigo was pretty blood-thirsty and fight-centric at the time.) Not to mention that almost every discussion aimed around her seems to culminate into a lot of bashing towards her in the end. I`m not saying she`s perfect, not even close, but she`s not half as bad as everyone seems to make her out to be; I`m just kind of annoyed at all the hate she gets for every little thing she does.
** They hate her because she exists, and there are just as many hints of Orihime/Ichigo in the manga as there are Ichigo/Rukia, if not more. As many people, due to anime-original ShipTease content, ship Ichigo/Rukia, DieForOurShip takes effect and they view her through hate-colored glasses. Given that her love for Ichigo has been a prime motivating factor, this hate comes up [[BeyondTheImpossible even more than usual]] with semi-hemi-hinted-teased love interests that go against fan-preferred couples.
*** The thing that`s most bothersomè about that is that people are basically just going `She sucks because I hate her!` That and, as you said, her being the massive iceberg in the way of the Ichigo/Rukia ship. Which is sad, really, as most of the Ichigo/Orihime fans I have met either: don`t hate Rukia at all, or dislike her for a reason that is completely unrelated to shipping. Poor Orihime, simply because she`s in love, she`s hated and weak.
*** Well, one part of the equation could be that she's like chocolate (I'm quoting Dordonii), meaning she's sweet, and naive. She has had little experience in dealing with the harshness of reality, as people have been protecting her from that harshness all her life (Sora raised her, her relatives provided for her, and Tatsuki protected her throughout their school years). Because of that, she has trouble seeing the evil or danger in her enemies, and heals them, (Loly and Menoly, Muramasa(filler) ). Although that same naivety is her strength, it is also what makes her hated by the fandom, and character-wise, is her greatest weakness overall, which I suspect will never be cured. Adding to this, is that she only really admired (and then loved) Ichigo for what she saw on the outside, and was told by Tatsuki, without ever really understanding the kind of person he was on the inside, and constructed a fantasy based on what she was told by her friend. Plus, (another thread brought this up) she went to Tatsuki, an indirect source, to find out why Ichigo was acting different the day before his mother died. That is almost akin to breaking down a door into Ichigo's feelings without permission to some people (granted, Tatsuki is Orihime's friend, and decided to tell her, but still to some people...). She basically loves a shadow, and also confessed to said shadow. She lacks the understanding that many see between Ichigo and Rukia. Besides, she did say she wanted to get stronger, but in the end, and she admitted this, in her heart she ''wanted'' Ichigo to rescue her, to be her "superhero" (I think she described him as such in one of the earliest chapters. To anyone editing, place the chapter name here). I'll be back later with more info.
*** In quite a bit of fiction, characters tend not to tell others about their pasts when the events discussed explain some aspect of their behavior (possibly because the event is personal, but possibly because they don't want to be seen as justifying themselves). That said, it appears that Orihime is not nearly as important to Ichigo as Ichigo is to Orihime; notice that most of the times they've interacted, she approaches him, showing that he doesn't reach out to her much. It's also unclear what exactly Orihime's feelings are based on, which makes one wonder how deep they are.
*** Well, from the way I see it, it seems that most of her knowledge of Ichigo prior to gaining her powers, seems to be based off of what Tatsuki has told, so henceforth, her feelings.
** Think of it like this: she the reverse [[KingdomHearts Sora]]. In Sora's case most of the hate for him comes from his killing of the Organization, who had sympathetic goals (excluding Xemnas and the traitors) were indistinguishable from humans and we never actually saw them do evil deeds outside of screwing with Sora and Beast's heads (and most people only blame Xaldin for the latter). The players knew, intellectually, they were trying to create nobodies by releasing heartless and at the same time planning on Sora destroying the heartless which would inadvertently help the org.: endangering thousands; yet people still treat them with sympathy and hate Sora for his actions because of the disconnect of never "seeing" them do something "evil"[[hottip:* :they were evil by the way this troper does not argue that fact]]. Inversely we know for a fact that all Hollow no matter how good they were as humans are human eating monsters and the arrancar (in general) are worse and we see it (e.g Yammy's massive soul suck) they have no goals besides murder and they want to kill and eat everyone Orihime knows and cares about not because of instinct or possibly even hunger but simply because they can, and she has the power to stop them and DOESN'T USE IT. She literally refuses to kill soul eating monsters that are a danger to every living thing and in fact REVIVED two of them after they beat her for who knows how long; she wasn't asked to, and had no reason to she JUST DID IT; she REVIVED two mentally unstable soul-eating monsters that want to make her suffer and she knew it and afterwards her few displays of bravery have still done NOTHING to show that given half a chance she wouldn't revive other soul-eating monsters and try to be friends with them...so yeah shes like chocolate and it grates so heavily on people's nerves in such an unrealistic way that it pushed her beyond some people's personal limit, including this troper's.
** This troper just hates the type of character(s) she is. The bubbly ditzy, the whiny pacifist and the damsel in distress. That and the fact that Orihime barely does anything useful with her powers. Yes, healing people is great, but the power could be given to someone who wouldn't snivel about it for two chapters before doing anything about it.
** I usually don't mind Orihime, and I always put on my anti-shipping goggles before watching/reading. What bothers me, however, is that whenever she shows even the slightest increase in her powers, fans react by saying things like, "OMIGOD she's probably going to be the big hero this time around look how powerful she is now!" But in actuality she never actually does anything. Tons of people thought she was going to be the one to destroy the Hogyoku, but she never even tried. And now fans are saying that she took a level in badass and is so strong now just because her shield makes a square instead of a triangle, even though Ichigo still broke through it easily. If she ever did anything worthy of praise I would be the first one to admit it, but she really hasn't.

* Chapter 438. Literally half the chapter is wasted by some thug fawning over Orihime and being unable to fight her because she's so beautiful and perfect and can't possibly be real and human because just the sight of her face causes him to fall to the ground enchanted. I'll admit that she's a cute girl even though I dislike her, but that is just ridiculous.
** Said thug has a case of WouldntHitAGirl so bad that his boss considers him physically incapable of doing it.
** If this was about a character you liked, would it bother you? I strongly doubt it. It was being PlayedForLaughs. I'm sure it would have drawn no ire if it was Rangiku or someone who has a smaller Hatedom.
*** (Not OP) I don't mind Orihime but this bothered me, too. It wasn't an isolated incident, either. She is frequently hit on more than almost every other female character, including Rangiku. In the first Soul Society arc there was a Soul Reaper who offered to take her back to his bedroom, which I found extremely perturbing. It always bothered me that she is the only female character that is frequently propositioned that is under eighteen. I know this is common in anime, but Bleach has never struck me as the kind of anime that falls back on these conventions.
* Why is 'watching your friend/love interest die with a hole in his chest' not a reasonable justification for having a breakdown of sorts? Especially after Orihime had apparently kept her head whilst imprisoned by having unshakable faith in Ichigo and the others coming to rescue her. This troper fell into the series at around this point knowing bits of the background and is bemused that the fandom finds this reaction lacking. Did the girl not see her dead brother as a monstrous ghost? Has she not been shown repeatedly as a pacifist who lacks the same combat skills of, and ''really'' hates seeing her friends get hurt (I have seen the very beginning of the series part-way through the SS arc)? So, her powers are based on emotion, but any situation where she might have to call on them - offence and resurrection, e.g - is liable to make her too distressed to use them properly. The very thing which drives her powers is also what can prevent her from using them effectively. Some characters just don't adapt to great power well or quickly, and having psychoactive powers on a schoolgirl with a Dark and Troubled Past seems a fair enough example of that. Without knowing the full history, the hate just looks rather unfair. Does her reaction to Ichigo's 'death' spoil character development/backstory, or something?
** The main issue I have is her yelling for Ichigo to save her in that situation rather than trying to do something herself. There had been quite a bit of buildup throughout the arc of her trying to find how she could best help her friends, but in the end, she didn't do anything more than heal them.
* You know, Rukia got kidnapped once too. How come nobody hates her?
** Rukia was imprisoned, kept in one room and guarded by half a dozen people. Orihime spends almost all her time in Hueco Mundo wandering around loose but doing nothing. Rukia was in a room made of stone that suppressed her powers. Orihime demonstrably had full control and use of her powers. I kind of got tired of the 'Rukia is a helpless little girl' thing but mainly because it [[ArcFatigue went on so long]]. I don't DISlike Orihime, but the dishrag thing does get on my nerves occasionally.
*** Orihime's kept in an apparently locked room until the Arrancar need her. She plans on biding her time until she can destroy the Hogyoku, not knowing of Ichigo's plans, although oddly, she's never shown destroying it.
* How the hell is healing people not usefull? Are you guys saying that the doctors in Iraq are useless because they don't kill something. You know, if everyone killed everything, this would be a shallow series about nothing but mindless violence. Really? Does everyone in a shonen have to kill something in order to be considered usefull? God, Orihime haters are idiots. I know it's opinion based, but in my opinion, their opinion sucks because they have stupid reasons to back it up.
** It's not that she can only heal people. If that's all she did, there'd be no problem. The problem is that she insists on going into dangerous situations in which she cannot defend herself, forcing her friends to worry about protecting her instead of fighting the enemy. Hell, if she'd just accepted Urahara's nonsugar-coated explanation that she is not good at fighting, which she only went on to prove after being captured, then she wouldn't have been taken prisoner. Would Aizen have found another way of luring everyone to Hueco Mundo anyway? Definitely. But at least it wouldn't have been as easy.
*** Urahara's explanation, regardless of how true it is, wasn't his ''real reason'' for keeping her out of battle. Orihime then believed that she could get stronger and made an effort to do so, going to Soul Society for that purpose before trying to join the battle and getting kidnapped. If he had explained to her why the enemy needed her for their plans, perhaps she might have listened.

* This troper wonders if Kubo has something akin to "No hugging/no kissing due to shonen nature" because of the relationships these girls have to each other? Let's analyze three (yes three) most likely options: Tatsuki, the old friend- she definitely sees Orihime likes Ichigo. So, if for some crazy reason, Ichigo or Tatsuki ends up fallin for the other, Tatsuki strikes me as the type who would probably give him up/ or not encourage hiis advances for Orihime to have a chance. However this scenario in itself probably won't happen. Now, on to the relationship between Rukia and Orihime: as seen in multiple situations, these two girls adore each other. Maybe, just maybe, by writing in these complex girl relations, Kubo is preventing a canon romance? I, as much as the next person, wish it wasn't so, but it seems like a distinct possibility.

* You know, Orihime would bother me a lot less if, when she gets a power upgrade, it actually amounts to something. So her shield thing makes a square now instead of a triangle. That's cool, I guess. Except she's only used it twice (once protecting the BigBad, no less), and Ichigo was still able to break it. So unless this new power becomes integral to the plot (which historically has not been the case; when we found out she is a RealityWarper a lot of fans speculated she was going to use this to destroy the Hogyoku, and we all know that didn't pan out), it just seems incredibly pointless. I admit, I'm not her biggest fan, but when she used that new shield I thought, "Hey, maybe there's hope for her character after all." But now she's back to standing around being confused and crying over Ichigo. [[SarcasmMode Nice character development there.]]
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* You know, Orihime would bother me a lot less if, when she gets a power upgrade, it actually amounts to something. So her shield thing makes a square now instead of a triangle. That's cool, I guess. Except she's only used it twice (once protecting the BigBad, no less), and Ichigo was still able to break it. So unless this new power becomes integral to the plot (which historically has not been the case; when we found out she is a RealityWarper a lot of fans speculated she was going to use this to destroy the Hogyoku, and we all know that didn't pan out), it just seems incredibly pointless. I admit, I'm not her biggest fan, but when she used that new shield I thought, "Hey, maybe there's hope for her character after all." But now she's back to standing around being confused and crying over Ichigo. [[SarcasmMode Nice character development there.]]

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** Inoue's powers are highly tied in with her emotions, so now that she has an emotional connection to Tsukishima, however fabricated it may be, she would not allow her powers to do anything to harm him and instead sees him as someone she needs to protect. She is also at the point and has been for some time where she does not need to call out to her fairies to summon them. She knowingly and purposely sent one to Chad, she just didn't have to say the incantation.