History Headscratchers / BioShock2

17th Dec '15 11:59:11 AM WolfMaster91
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* Does Delta have three arms? We know that one arm ends in a drill (That, judging by the cover art, can't be removed), and the other arm is the plasmid wielding one. So how is he wielding a gun? His plasmid hand is always on screen, so the guns can't be in that hand, and they can't be in his drill hand.

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* Does Delta have three arms? We know that one arm ends in a drill (That, judging by the cover art, can't be removed), and the other arm is the plasmid wielding one. So how is he wielding a gun? His plasmid hand is always on screen, so the guns can't be in that hand, and they can't be in his drill hand.
** The drill is detachable and goes over the hand. The arm fits down inside the main part, and the hinge-like places along the arm are what keeps the drill attached while in use, instead of say, having a grip inside there that would just let it fall out if Delta unclenches his
hand.
1st Sep '15 5:08:08 AM EtherBot
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** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].

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** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].least]].
* Does Delta have three arms? We know that one arm ends in a drill (That, judging by the cover art, can't be removed), and the other arm is the plasmid wielding one. So how is he wielding a gun? His plasmid hand is always on screen, so the guns can't be in that hand, and they can't be in his drill hand.
1st Nov '14 1:33:19 PM MaddKossack115
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*** Technically, the question is how Poole survived UNTIL Delta got there TEN YEARS AFTER HE FLOODED THE PARK. Although, in this case, I assumed he realized just how destructive his plan was going to be this time (even if he didn't give a damn about the morality), and stocked up on food and water CrazySurvivalist style before locking himself in the booth - the reason there's little evidence of it when you get there is because, [[RealityEnsues after ten years, he's just about used it all up]]. This would also help explain why he [[{{Railroading}} Railroaded]] Delta from his little quest - seeing as he was going OneManArmy against Lamb's tyranny, Poole thought that Delta was his only shot at getting out of the park, even though he repeatedly screwed him over in the past. This would be especially true in a Good playthrough, as Poole would've thought that, since Delta was so merciful to the Little Sisters and Grace Holloway, [[TemptingFate surely he'd have some pity for poor Uncle Stanley, right?]] This makes less sense in an Evil playthrough, since Delta's slaughtering his way through all of Rapture no matter what, but it's still possible to chalk it up to desperation on Poole's part for any break, no matter how suicidal, from just starving to death.

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*** Technically, the question is how Poole survived UNTIL Delta got there TEN YEARS AFTER HE FLOODED THE PARK. Although, in this case, I assumed he realized just how destructive his plan was going to be this time (even if he didn't give a damn about the morality), and stocked up on food and water CrazySurvivalist style before locking himself in the booth - the reason there's little evidence of it when you get there is because, [[RealityEnsues after ten years, he's just about used it all up]]. up]]. This would also help explain why he [[{{Railroading}} Railroaded]] Delta from his little quest - seeing as he was going OneManArmy against Lamb's tyranny, Poole thought that Delta was his only shot at getting out of the park, even though he repeatedly screwed him over in the past. past. This would be especially true in a Good playthrough, as Poole would've thought that, since Delta was so merciful to the Little Sisters and Grace Holloway, [[TemptingFate surely he'd have some pity for poor Uncle Stanley, right?]] right?]] This makes less sense in an Evil playthrough, since Delta's slaughtering his way through all of Rapture no matter what, but it's still possible to chalk it up to desperation on Poole's part for any break, no matter how suicidal, from just starving to death.



* Why was Sofia Lamb merely imprisoned while less dangerous dissenters like Anna Culpepper were killed.

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* Why was Sofia Lamb merely imprisoned while less dangerous dissenters like Anna Culpepper were killed.killed?
** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].
1st Nov '14 1:24:16 PM MaddKossack115
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*** Technically, the question is how Poole survived UNTIL Delta got there TEN YEARS AFTER HE FLOODED THE PARK. Although, in this case, I assumed he realized just how destructive his plan was going to be this time (even if he didn't give a damn about the morality), and stocked up on food and water CrazySurvivalist style before locking himself in the booth - the reason there's little evidence of it when you get there is because, [[RealityEnsues after ten years, he's just about used it all up]]. This would also help explain why he [[{{Railroading}} Railroaded]] Delta from his little quest - seeing as he was going OneManArmy against Lamb's tyranny, Poole thought that Delta was his only shot at getting out of the park, even though he repeatedly screwed him over in the past. This would be especially true in a Good playthrough, as Poole would've thought that, since Delta was so merciful to the Little Sisters and Grace Holloway, [[TemptingFate surely he'd have some pity for poor Uncle Stanley, right?]] This makes less sense in an Evil playthrough, since Delta's slaughtering his way through all of Rapture no matter what, but it's still possible to chalk it up to desperation on Poole's part for any break, no matter how suicidal, from just starving to death.
14th Oct '14 7:52:13 PM Dragonmouth
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** Don't know if you'd noticed this, but everyone in Rapture is ''fucking crazy''. Lamb is not Fontaine. Her plan makes no sense because she's a fanatic. Fanatic's don't tend to make a lot of sense

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** Don't know if you'd noticed this, but everyone in Rapture is ''fucking crazy''. Lamb is not Fontaine. Her plan makes no sense because she's a fanatic. Fanatic's don't tend to make a lot of sensesense
* Why was Sofia Lamb merely imprisoned while less dangerous dissenters like Anna Culpepper were killed.
14th Oct '14 7:48:34 PM Dragonmouth
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** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather He's [[spoiler: Jack's father]]]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.

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** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. He's [[spoiler: [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather He's [[spoiler: Jack's father]]]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.
28th Sep '14 5:26:31 PM HoursGoneBy
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* Does one feel there were alot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek Borg]]?

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* Does one feel there were alot a lot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek Borg]]?
28th Sep '14 5:25:53 PM HoursGoneBy
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** For that matter, how do the splicers eat? There is only so much you can loot before there's nothing left. Underwater agriculture is mentioned, but it would be a fairly complex process, and it's hard to preform even basic maintenance when you're a gibbering lunatic. Heck, Fresh water, heat, and even oxygen would be an issue.

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** For that matter, how do the splicers eat? There is only so much you can loot before there's nothing left. Underwater agriculture is mentioned, but it would be a fairly complex process, and it's hard to preform perform even basic maintenance when you're a gibbering lunatic. Heck, Fresh water, heat, and even oxygen would be an issue.
13th Sep '14 6:56:48 PM Gameite2260
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***** So all the calling down of the Splicers and the Alpha Series, that doesn't count as "actively trying to kill you"?



** Part of it is also an oversight in programing. The developers meant for the proper choice to be killing him, but the kill or spare choice was programed just like the others.

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** Part of it is also an oversight in programing.programming. The developers meant for the proper choice to be killing him, but the kill or spare choice was programed just like the others.



** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather He's your father]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.

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** Depends on whether you think Andrew Ryan is dead or not. [[Main/LukeIAmYourFather He's your father]], [[spoiler: Jack's father]]]], and the Vita-Chambers are triggered by DNA keys, so it's possible he came back.



**** That's because the winner never tries to adopt the Little Sister. When Delta kills a Big Daddy, the little sister doesn't just walk up to him and climb on his shoulders. He has to pick her up himself. The modern Big Daddies's "programming" when they don't have a Little Sister is to go bang on the vent and get one (Which explains why a Big Daddy without a Little Sister will just ignore you if you've just won a fight with another Big Daddy, instead of taking the Little Sister away before you harvest/rescue/adopt her) But Delta has free will thanks to Eleanor, and thus thinks to himself, "Hey, I should adopt this little sister which I have just orphaned." (Or he does it because Sinclair tells him to, depending on how you interpret Delta)



*** He's not removing his helmet because [[GameplayAndStorySegregation spending ten seconds removing the helmet everytime you eat something would get annoying pretty damn fast.]] Especially considering Alpha can down an entire bag of chips in an instant. They don't show you removing the helmet for the same reason they don't show you ripping open Spider Splicers to get their hearts or rummaging through/taking apart containers or objects to get the items inside. The animation would slow the game down.

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*** He's not removing his helmet because [[GameplayAndStorySegregation spending ten seconds removing the helmet everytime you eat something would get annoying pretty damn fast.]] Especially considering Alpha Delta can down an entire bag of chips in an instant. They don't show you removing the helmet for the same reason they don't show you ripping open Spider Splicers to get their hearts or rummaging through/taking apart containers or objects to get the items inside. The animation would slow the game down.



*** Not to mention that, even if Delta was just another mindless Daddy, there would still be a point to finding these diaries: Information on how to survive and find Eleanor (for example, the "Agnus Dei" recording, or Gil's description of the new Rumbler Daddy)



** *shakes head* You're asking the wrong question. What you should be asking is: "Why do the Little Sisters all look like Eleanor?". Since Delta was her Big Daddy (which as mentiond above would change how you see the world) it makes sense that [[AWizardDidIt Eleanor Did It]]. She's the reason why the Little Sisters trust you after killing their Big Daddies. Not only that, but she talks to you telepathically, so who's to say it doesn't affect you too

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** *shakes head* You're asking the wrong question. What you should be asking is: "Why do the Little Sisters all look like Eleanor?". Since Delta was her Big Daddy (which as mentiond above would change how you see the world) it makes sense that [[AWizardDidIt Eleanor Did It]]. She's the reason why the Little Sisters trust you after killing their Big Daddies. Not only that, but she talks to you telepathically, so who's to say it doesn't affect you tootoo?



** A possibly greater source of contention arises from the existence of the Big Sisters, Little Sisters that have grown up. Tenenbaum knew a great deal about the Little Sisters, being the one responsible for their creation, and presumably had records of all subjects. So how come she didn't notice that several of them were missing, having already been taken in by Sofia Lamb? Maybe you could argue that she believed them dead, harvested by Splicers... but does that really make sense? If [[MamaBear Tenenbaum]]felt such devoted motherly instinct for all Little Sisters, wouldn't it be natural for her to keep looking for them on the ''off-chance'' that they may still be alive? [[NotSoDifferent Guess that Tenenbaum wasn't quite such a good mother in comparison to Lamb after all...]]

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** A possibly greater source of contention arises from the existence of the Big Sisters, Little Sisters that have grown up. Tenenbaum knew a great deal about the Little Sisters, being the one responsible for their creation, and presumably had records of all subjects. So how come she didn't notice that several of them were missing, having already been taken in by Sofia Lamb? Maybe you could argue that she believed them dead, harvested by Splicers... but does that really make sense? If [[MamaBear Tenenbaum]]felt Tenenbaum]] felt such devoted motherly instinct for all Little Sisters, wouldn't it be natural for her to keep looking for them on the ''off-chance'' that they may still be alive? [[NotSoDifferent Guess that Tenenbaum wasn't quite such a good mother in comparison to Lamb after all...]]
8th Aug '14 10:08:08 AM erforce
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* So, whatever happened to Jack? We know this game follows on from the 'Good' Ending to VideoGame/BioShock, the one in which he chooses to bring the Little Sisters whom Tenenbaum had taken under her wing to the surface and teach them to live full and happy lives of their own. Then, by the time of this game, Tenenbaum has grown aware that someone (i.e. Sofia Lamb) has been continuining her research into the creation of Little Sisters, and in Rapture, the most dangerous city on earth (or below the ocean), to boot. Naturally, this prompts her to return to the city and investigate. But why go there without the one person she knew she could trust absolutely, had proven capable of surviving in such a hostile environment, and who also had a personal attachment to the Little Sisters? It's plausible that Jack's rapid-ageing condition, brought on by the experiments designed to turn him into Ryan's assassin, meant that he'd grown too old by this point for another battle under the seas. Or maybe Tenenbaum realised she could die on this mission and didn't want the Little Sisters to be left without a guardian. But sadly, the game never drops the slightest hint about any of this.

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* So, whatever happened to Jack? We know this game follows on from the 'Good' Ending to VideoGame/BioShock, VideoGame/BioShock1, the one in which he chooses to bring the Little Sisters whom Tenenbaum had taken under her wing to the surface and teach them to live full and happy lives of their own. Then, by the time of this game, Tenenbaum has grown aware that someone (i.e. Sofia Lamb) has been continuining her research into the creation of Little Sisters, and in Rapture, the most dangerous city on earth (or below the ocean), to boot. Naturally, this prompts her to return to the city and investigate. But why go there without the one person she knew she could trust absolutely, had proven capable of surviving in such a hostile environment, and who also had a personal attachment to the Little Sisters? It's plausible that Jack's rapid-ageing condition, brought on by the experiments designed to turn him into Ryan's assassin, meant that he'd grown too old by this point for another battle under the seas. Or maybe Tenenbaum realised she could die on this mission and didn't want the Little Sisters to be left without a guardian. But sadly, the game never drops the slightest hint about any of this.
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