History Headscratchers / BioShock2

11th Dec '17 5:21:28 AM Stolen_Moment
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* How can Subjects Delta and Sigma rescue the Little Sisters without Tenenbaum's antidote plasmid?

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* How can Subjects Delta and Sigma rescue the Little Sisters without Tenenbaum's antidote plasmid?plasmid?
* So whatever happened to Grace, Stanley and Alexander by the end of the game? Yes, sparing/killing them lets us act out on our moral compass while teaching Eleanor your values when it comes to forgiveness and justice, but did they manage to escape Rapture before it was plunged into the deep sea, or was rescuing them out of concern for their lives mostly pointless when they all drowned/were trapped in the abyss anyways?
22nd Oct '17 5:36:03 PM NervousShark
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** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].

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** In this case, it wasn't a case of what Ryan WANTED to do (believe me, if he could, he probably would've personally drowned Lamb the way he had Sullivan drown Culpepper), but what he COULD do - by the point he moved against Lamb, she had already established anti-Ryan movements threatening to depose him - killing Lamb would've turned her into a martyr, and likely would've sparked the Lamb supporters into civil war before Fontaine[=/=]Atlas even showed up. The most feasible solution then was to have Lamb imprisoned, and [[UnPerson slowly sponge her name and influence from Rapture]]. As for why he didn't kill her in prison, he thought that locking her up would be AFateWorseThanDeath for Lamb, and that she would eventually snap behind bars - [[UnderestimatingBadassery a grave underestimation of]] [[TheDeterminator Lamb's resolve,]] [[{{Understatement}} to say the least]].least.
24th Apr '17 7:10:59 PM rjd1922
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** Part of it is also an oversight in programming. The developers meant for the proper choice to be killing him, but the kill or spare choice was programed just like the others.

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** Part of it is also an oversight in programming. The developers meant for the proper choice to be killing him, but the kill or spare choice was programed programmed just like the others.others.
*** Do you have any source for that? That would be a pretty big oversight if true.



* This has been bugging me since I started [=BioShock=] 2, and I was hoping the game itself would give some kind of explanation, but it didn't seem to, or, at least, I didn't find it. When you start the game, you're a Big Daddy, doing your job: stopping people from harassing the Little Sisters. Then Sofia Lamb comes over and forces you to shoot yourself. Why?

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* This has been bugging me since I started [=BioShock=] 2, ''[=BioShock=] 2'', and I was hoping the game itself would give some kind of explanation, but it didn't seem to, or, at least, I didn't find it. When you start the game, you're a Big Daddy, doing your job: stopping people from harassing the Little Sisters. Then Sofia Lamb comes over and forces you to shoot yourself. Why?



** This is a fairly ridiculous FanWank which I haven't seen any evidence for in the series, but it's possible that the Alpha Series don't have the stinky smell that later Big Daddies do. Instead, they have a unique pheromone that only their Little Sister will hone in on. The Little Sisters would recognize you as their Daddy once they saw you because of their connection to Eleanor, but they weren't physically able to recognize your smell like she could. They only leave their vents when they smell the later Big Daddies, otherwise they'd all be eaten by splicers pounding on the vents. Incidentally, this is why NPC Daddy/Sister pairs don't get swarmed by splicers while gathering like you do; the stink masks the smell of the raw ADAM that seeps from the corpse when its most ADAM-rich parts are punctured. So why did Jack get swarmed in the last level of [=BioShock=]? Because... shut up.

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** This is a fairly ridiculous FanWank which I haven't seen any evidence for in the series, but it's possible that the Alpha Series don't have the stinky smell that later Big Daddies do. Instead, they have a unique pheromone that only their Little Sister will hone in on. The Little Sisters would recognize you as their Daddy once they saw you because of their connection to Eleanor, but they weren't physically able to recognize your smell like she could. They only leave their vents when they smell the later Big Daddies, otherwise they'd all be eaten by splicers pounding on the vents. Incidentally, this is why NPC Daddy/Sister pairs don't get swarmed by splicers while gathering like you do; the stink masks the smell of the raw ADAM that seeps from the corpse when its most ADAM-rich parts are punctured. So why did Jack get swarmed in the last level of [=BioShock=]? ''[=BioShock=]''? Because... shut up.



* Those grungy little moppets howl for your death and order their Big Daddy to "unzip" you in [=BioShock=] 2 whenever you're smashing her Big Daddy, but when old Tinhead goes down, she starts crying, turns to look at you.... and instantly accepts you as her new father. WHAT?!

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* Those grungy little moppets howl for your death and order their Big Daddy to "unzip" you in [=BioShock=] 2 ''[=BioShock=] 2'' whenever you're smashing her Big Daddy, but when old Tinhead goes down, she starts crying, turns to look at you.... and instantly accepts you as her new father. WHAT?!



* So, whatever happened to Jack? We know this game follows on from the 'Good' Ending to VideoGame/BioShock1, the one in which he chooses to bring the Little Sisters whom Tenenbaum had taken under her wing to the surface and teach them to live full and happy lives of their own. Then, by the time of this game, Tenenbaum has grown aware that someone (i.e. Sofia Lamb) has been continuining her research into the creation of Little Sisters, and in Rapture, the most dangerous city on earth (or below the ocean), to boot. Naturally, this prompts her to return to the city and investigate. But why go there without the one person she knew she could trust absolutely, had proven capable of surviving in such a hostile environment, and who also had a personal attachment to the Little Sisters? It's plausible that Jack's rapid-ageing condition, brought on by the experiments designed to turn him into Ryan's assassin, meant that he'd grown too old by this point for another battle under the seas. Or maybe Tenenbaum realised she could die on this mission and didn't want the Little Sisters to be left without a guardian. But sadly, the game never drops the slightest hint about any of this.

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* So, whatever happened to Jack? We know this game follows on from the 'Good' Ending to VideoGame/BioShock1, ''VideoGame/BioShock1'', the one in which he chooses to bring the Little Sisters whom Tenenbaum had taken under her wing to the surface and teach them to live full and happy lives of their own. Then, by the time of this game, Tenenbaum has grown aware that someone (i.e. Sofia Lamb) has been continuining continuing her research into the creation of Little Sisters, and in Rapture, the most dangerous city on earth (or below the ocean), to boot. Naturally, this prompts her to return to the city and investigate. But why go there without the one person she knew she could trust absolutely, had proven capable of surviving in such a hostile environment, and who also had a personal attachment to the Little Sisters? It's plausible that Jack's rapid-ageing condition, brought on by the experiments designed to turn him into Ryan's assassin, meant that he'd grown too old by this point for another battle under the seas. Or maybe Tenenbaum realised she could die on this mission and didn't want the Little Sisters to be left without a guardian. But sadly, the game never drops the slightest hint about any of this.



* Where are all the Splicers coming from? Rapture never had as large a population as most cities on the surface, and the civil war that happened prior to Bioshock 1 thinned out the population even before Jack and Delta's rampage. Hell, the basic economy (Little Sister, Bid Daddies, Adam, ect.) ''relies'' on corpses, meaning that their ''needs'' to be a substantial casualty rate for the city to even function. With all the chaos, murder, civil war, decaying architecture, and big-daddy inflicted casualties, Rapture should be completely depopulated before you even start the game. This is especially glaring in Bioshock 2, where the whole city has had an additional ten years to decay, and there are still enough splicers running around to make an army.

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* Where are all the Splicers coming from? Rapture never had as large a population as most cities on the surface, and the civil war that happened prior to Bioshock 1 ''[=BioShock=] 1'' thinned out the population even before Jack and Delta's rampage. Hell, the basic economy (Little Sister, Bid Daddies, Adam, ect.) ''relies'' on corpses, meaning that their ''needs'' to be a substantial casualty rate for the city to even function. With all the chaos, murder, civil war, decaying architecture, and big-daddy inflicted casualties, Rapture should be completely depopulated before you even start the game. This is especially glaring in Bioshock 2, ''[=BioShock=] 2'', where the whole city has had an additional ten years to decay, and there are still enough splicers running around to make an army.



* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddys the way Sophia does in the opening?

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* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddys Daddies the way Sophia does in the opening?opening?
* How can Subjects Delta and Sigma rescue the Little Sisters without Tenenbaum's antidote plasmid?
13th Mar '17 9:20:53 PM Doug86
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* Does one feel there were a lot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek Borg]]?

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* Does one feel there were a lot of flaws in Sophia Lamb's plan? She wants to create a non-sentient creature born from the minds of everyone in Rapture dedicated to goodness. Except a creature that does good out of mindless directive rather that deliberate choice would be no more different than a machine. Additionally, if her plan did come to fruition, what's to prevent the thing she created from killing her if it determines her to be a great evil that must be eradicated, or even absorbing her into the collective like the [[StarTrek [[Franchise/StarTrek Borg]]?
18th Feb '17 9:03:37 AM kithas
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** It's because these are not the original Little Sisters. As the beginning of the game states, there were little kids kidnapped from the surface, with even Mark Meltzer coming down to search his own, Cindy. As it is the work of the Big Sister (aka Sofia Lamb), it's not strange to think that the common thread being the Eleanor-ish appearance.
20th Jan '17 3:56:35 AM EtherBot
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* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddy's the way Sophia does in the opening?

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* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddy's Daddys the way Sophia does in the opening?
20th Jan '17 3:56:13 AM EtherBot
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* How does Delta wake up ten years later with his helmet on if he removed it to shoot himself in the head? Sure, you could argue that Lamb or her cronies replaced it when they moved his body out of the way for that nice and shiny Adonis Resort statue, but why?

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* How does Delta wake up ten years later with his helmet on if he removed it to shoot himself in the head? Sure, you could argue that Lamb or her cronies replaced it when they moved his body out of the way for that nice and shiny Adonis Resort statue, but why?why?
* So why can't Delta use the hypnotic plasmid on other Big Daddy's the way Sophia does in the opening?
30th Nov '16 1:24:38 PM madame_newbie
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** He said he's 'incognito' (travelling as an unknown) not missing for ten years. It's possible that he escaped Dionysus Park before it flooded completely and stayed with Sofia at Persephone during the past ten years. He only returned to Dionysus Park when he realised that Delta had drained the whole park out thus allowing the Little Sisters to gather ADAM. Something he didn't want happening since Sofia will find out about what he did there (never mind she already did and 'forgave' him for it).


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*** Either that or Ryan hasn't started his policy of murdering his dissenters when it came to Lamb. Lamb was his first, major opponent and he still believed in no Death Penalty in Rapture at the time of her imprisonment. This changed when Fontaine, then Atlas, took over and started the Rapture Civil War. It's possible that if Lamb was still free by that time, it's highly likely she would have been gunned down, martyr or not.
1st Oct '16 4:47:16 PM MrDrProfGamer
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** The drill is detachable and goes over the hand. The arm fits down inside the main part, and the hinge-like places along the arm are what keeps the drill attached while in use, instead of say, having a grip inside there that would just let it fall out if Delta unclenches his hand.

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** The drill is detachable and goes over the hand. The arm fits down inside the main part, and the hinge-like places along the arm are what keeps the drill attached while in use, instead of say, having a grip inside there that would just let it fall out if Delta unclenches his hand.hand.
*How does Delta wake up ten years later with his helmet on if he removed it to shoot himself in the head? Sure, you could argue that Lamb or her cronies replaced it when they moved his body out of the way for that nice and shiny Adonis Resort statue, but why?
10th Sep '16 9:50:26 PM WillBGood
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** Cause the Little Sister in question is none other than Eleanor, and her mother kinda needs her for her {{Instrumentality}} plan. Kinda hard to work on that when you're going on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge to stop her. [[spoiler:Too bad that's what happens anyway, cause poor [[{{Woobie}} Eleanor]] really misses her daddy after ten years.]]

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** Cause the Little Sister in question is none other than Eleanor, and her mother kinda needs her for her {{Instrumentality}} plan.AssimilationPlot. Kinda hard to work on that when you're going on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge to stop her. [[spoiler:Too bad that's what happens anyway, cause poor [[{{Woobie}} Eleanor]] really misses her daddy after ten years.]]
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