History Headscratchers / BeautyAndTheBeast

8th Jun '17 12:04:21 PM HalfBloodPrincess
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** That would be because it's not 14th century, it's 18th century. Where are you getting 14th century? Belle's clothes are way too fitted for it be the Middle Ages, the Beast's blue jacket is pure 18th century, Gaston uses a ''gun'' for heaven's sake. Chimneys on village cottages and tile roofs are 17th century innovations. Stoves don't really show until the early 19th century! The printing press had been invented, and Maurice's wood-chopping gizmo runs on steam power. We have hit the beginning of the industrial revolution, people!
8th Jun '17 11:51:28 AM HalfBloodPrincess
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** They're both very clearly nobility, albeit probably very low-ranking nobility. This is 14th-century (ish) France, meaning that reading is a skill possessed almost exclusively by the clergy and the nobility, bound books are worth the cost of a small house and yet a not-terribly-responsible girl is being trusted with them, and most importantly it's a feudal area (thus, the prince) and you weren't really allowed to not have at least some noble oversight in all areas. This is also why the villagers are somewhat hostile-- Maurice and Belle are living off the local taxes, and nobody likes being taxed-- and why Gaston is so dead-set on Belle despite all of his other potential girlfriends being objectively more attractive and much more his speed in terms of interests, and why he persist after repeated failures. Gaston is already at the social top of the village, and the only way up from there is to marry into a title.

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** They're both very clearly nobility, bourgeoisie, albeit probably very low-ranking nobility. poor bourgeois. This is 14th-century 18th-century (ish) France, meaning that reading is a skill possessed almost exclusively by becoming more common, but still bound to those with the clergy money and the nobility, leisure time to afford instruction, bound books are worth the cost of still a small house luxury even with printing, and yet a not-terribly-responsible girl is being trusted with them, and most importantly it's a the tail-end of France's feudal area (thus, which lasted to nearly the prince) 19th century. Belle and you weren't really allowed to not have at least some noble oversight in all areas. This is also why the villagers are somewhat hostile-- Maurice and Belle are living off the local taxes, and nobody likes being taxed-- and why Gaston is so dead-set higher up on Belle despite all of his other potential girlfriends being objectively more attractive and much more his speed in terms of interests, and why he persist after repeated failures. Gaston is already at the social top of ladder than the village, villagers, and social mobility was not a thing until after the only way up from there is to marry into a title.French Revolution. Skilled craftsmen could have customers all over the area, maybe he makes clocks or music boxes and just invented in his spare time.
19th May '17 8:22:28 AM Zark
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** Maybe it was done to make Belle an outcast, if mostly by her own volution. If she had an active social life, Maurice would have someone to help him on his quest, and Belle herself would be more eager to return.

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** Maybe it was done to make Belle an outcast, if mostly by her own volution. If she had an active social life, Maurice would have someone to help him on his quest, and Belle herself would be more eager to return. Plus if Belle had friends in the village, they'd require more screen time. As for in-story reasons for why Belle and Maurice are treated the way they are, Maurice has a (somewhat understandable) reputation of MadScientist, while Belle the townfolk see as snotty: she doesn't seem to socialize, spends most of her time dreaming of other places and reading books, so she obviously thinks herself better than us, ordinary people. And as mentioned elsewhere on this page, Gaston is viewed by the locals as the epitome of what a man should be, so Belle rejecting his advances is percieved as yet another example of her stuck-up attitude: 'She thinks even the best of us isn't worthy of her. The bitch!'
19th May '17 7:36:59 AM Zark
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* Plus the sequence in the inn starts with Gaston being angry at Belle for publically rejecting him. Screw winning her favor, nobody dares to humiliate Gaston!

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* ** Plus the sequence in the inn starts with Gaston being angry at Belle for publically rejecting him. Screw winning her favor, nobody dares to humiliate Gaston!
19th May '17 7:36:35 AM Zark
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19th May '17 7:36:00 AM Zark
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* Plus the sequence in the inn starts with Gaston being angry at Belle for publically rejecting him. Screw winning her favor, nobody dares to humiliate Gaston!
19th May '17 4:21:33 AM Zark
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** Maybe it was done to make Belle an outcast, if mostly by her own volution. If she had an active social life, Maurice would have someone to help him on his quest, and Belle herself would be more eager to return.


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* When Belle rushes to save Maurice, neither she nor the Beast think about the wolf pack wandering in the woods. I get it, heat of a moment and all, but it just bugs me that at no point anyone goes 'Hey, last time Belle left, she got attacked by wolves. What it that happens again?'
* The magic mirror. Where has it come from? Did the Enchantress give it to the Beast? Why?
19th May '17 12:42:36 AM Alas_Poor_Donny
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** Noble patronage. Maurice doesn't have to work due to tax income, is kind of eccentric, and most nobility historically enjoyed setting up services "for the common good" that only they could realistically take advantage of. This is probably most of why the villagers edge into 'openly hostile' territory regarding books, that's the money they had to give to the government being used on a service they can't access due to literacy rates under one percent.


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*** In fairness, 14th century France. Engineering (outside of seigecraft, which a woman wouldn't typically be allowed to study) wouldn't be a thing in Europe for 250 years or so, and science was a few weirdoes in various abandoned sheds trying to turn lead into gold. And reading isn't really a group activity for most people, so having the camera focus on her sitting alone for hours doign something sedentary might not be the best use of viewer time.
19th May '17 12:32:54 AM Alas_Poor_Donny
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** They're both very clearly nobility, albeit probably very low-ranking nobility. This is 14th-century (ish) France, meaning that reading is a skill possessed almost exclusively by the clergy and the nobility, bound books are worth the cost of a small house and yet a not-terribly-responsible girl is being trusted with them, and most importantly it's a feudal area (thus, the prince) and you weren't really allowed to not have at least some noble oversight in all areas. This is also why the villagers are somewhat hostile-- Maurice and Belle are living off the local taxes, and nobody likes being taxed-- and why Gaston is so dead-set on Belle despite all of his other potential girlfriends being objectively more attractive and much more his speed in terms of interests, and why he persist after repeated failures. Gaston is already at the social top of the village, and the only way up from there is to marry into a title.
18th May '17 8:01:03 AM Zark
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*** She does know that this brooding stranger risked his health if not life to save her. So, there is probably [[RescueRomance a different trope at work]].
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