History Headscratchers / BeautyAndTheBeast

2nd Nov '16 10:41:29 AM gothelittle
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**** Pocahontas was the daughter of a 'chief of chiefs', the leader of a group of clans. She was basically the American Indian equivalent of Merida. She's been considered in popular culture to be a 'princess' since at least the 1800's.
2nd Nov '16 10:22:53 AM gothelittle
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** Belle wasn't exactly an 'intellectual', though she was certainly intelligent. We never saw her employing science, engineering, technology etc. to solve her problems the way her inventor father did. She was interested in adventure in a grander and larger scheme than small town living. So of course she reads. It's her escape route, her view into a larger realm. I never saw her as being so much interested in books for books' sake. Given that, it makes total sense that she's read everything the little provincial library has to offer and that her favorite book is a grand adventure. "Far off places, daring sword fights, magic spells, a prince in disguise!" Though she loved Beast's library, we didn't even see them reading together until the end of the day, after various outdoor activities - it's not like she spent her hours draped over a chair reading like she did at home.
24th Sep '16 10:02:35 AM jenmic
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*** This troper lives in Sweden, Nortern Europe, and can confirm that the shifting between heavy snowstorm and sunshine in late fall through winter is standard here too. It's not as rare as one thinks. However, some of the confusion is understandable in that Belle lives in France, which isn't as cold. The closest I can think of that makes sense in this case is that she lives in the northern part of the country, as it equals colder in Europe. Not much in temperature differs, but that's my guess.

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*** This troper lives in Sweden, Nortern Northern Europe, and can confirm that the shifting between heavy snowstorm and sunshine in late fall through winter is standard here too. It's not as rare as one thinks. However, some of the confusion is understandable in that Belle lives in France, which isn't as cold. The closest I can think of that makes sense in this case is that she lives in the northern part of the country, as it equals colder in Europe. Not much in temperature differs, but that's my guess.
13th Sep '16 8:04:23 AM MrDeath
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** Because Gaston is a self-centered, arrogant jerk who doesn't think he should have to ''do'' anything to win Belle's favor, he thinks he simply deserves her because of who he is.
12th Sep '16 6:44:52 PM Prinzenick
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* If Gaston was so desperate to get Belle's favor, why didn't he just roll along with Maurice's pleas, crazy sounding or not, instead of throwing him out of the inn and into the dead of winter? While he decided to use him to blackmail Belle, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to do something that probably would've made him look better in front of Belle, like taking advantage of Maurice's desperate situation by helping him rescue Belle? Callously throwing out the father of the girl he's after, especially since that girl has legitimately been captured, would ''not'' have done him any favors in getting Belle's hand in marriage, much less making her like him more.

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* If Gaston was so desperate to get Belle's favor, why didn't he just roll along with Maurice's pleas, crazy sounding or not, instead of throwing him out of the inn and into the dead of winter? While he decided to use him to blackmail Belle, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to do something that probably would've made him look better in front of Belle, like taking advantage of Maurice's desperate situation by helping him rescue Belle? Callously throwing out the father of the girl he's after, especially since that girl has legitimately been captured, would ''not'' have done him any favors in getting Belle's hand in marriage, much less making her like him more.him.
12th Sep '16 6:43:26 PM Prinzenick
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* If Gaston was so desperate to get Belle's favor, why didn't he just roll along with Maurice's pleas, crazy sounding or not, instead of throwing him out of the inn and into the dead of winter? While he decided to use him to blackmail Belle, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to do something that probably would've made him look better in front of Belle, like taking advantage of Maurice's desperate situation? Callously throwing out the father of the girl he's after would ''not'' have done him any favors in getting Belle's hand in marriage, much less making her like him more.

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* If Gaston was so desperate to get Belle's favor, why didn't he just roll along with Maurice's pleas, crazy sounding or not, instead of throwing him out of the inn and into the dead of winter? While he decided to use him to blackmail Belle, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to do something that probably would've made him look better in front of Belle, like taking advantage of Maurice's desperate situation? situation by helping him rescue Belle? Callously throwing out the father of the girl he's after after, especially since that girl has legitimately been captured, would ''not'' have done him any favors in getting Belle's hand in marriage, much less making her like him more.
12th Sep '16 4:49:49 PM Prinzenick
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* If Gaston was so desperate to get Belle's favor, why didn't he just roll along with Maurice's pleas, crazy sounding or not, instead of throwing him out into the cold? While he decided to use him to blackmail Belle, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to do something that probably would've made him look better in front of Belle, like taking advantage of Maurice's desperate situation--callously throwing Maurice out of an inn in the dead of winter probably would ''not'' have done him any favors in getting Belle's hand in marriage, much less making her like him more.

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* If Gaston was so desperate to get Belle's favor, why didn't he just roll along with Maurice's pleas, crazy sounding or not, instead of throwing him out of the inn and into the cold? dead of winter? While he decided to use him to blackmail Belle, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to do something that probably would've made him look better in front of Belle, like taking advantage of Maurice's desperate situation--callously situation? Callously throwing Maurice out of an inn in the dead father of winter probably the girl he's after would ''not'' have done him any favors in getting Belle's hand in marriage, much less making her like him more.
12th Sep '16 4:48:02 PM Prinzenick
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* If Gaston was so desperate to get Belle's favor, why didn't he just roll along with Maurice's pleas, crazy sounding or not, instead of throwing him out into the cold? While he decided to use him to blackmail Belle, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to do something that probably would've made him look better in front of Belle, like taking advantage of Maurice's desperate situation--callously throwing Maurice out of an inn in the dead of winter probably would ''not'' have done him any favors in getting Belle's hand in marriage, much less making her like him more.
4th Sep '16 9:46:09 PM BroTim11
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** Gaston took it from Belle. Belle brings out the enchanted mirror to show them the Beast is real and save Maurice from being sent to an asylum, so the villagers likely think it was hers. Gaston takes it from her and uses it to rally the crowd. Any resentment towards a magic would be directed at Belle.



** It's possible that Maurice was asking around, even trying outside the town, for help. When that didn't work he gathered his supplies (which would've likely taken time) then went after her. He also had to remember the way back to the castle and it was a longer trip without his horse.



**** Don't forget the wolves.



** Also, at the climax of the film when the enchantment is broken, the castle undergoes a transformation and reverts to its true form. The people may not have recognized it. It went from being festooned with gargoyles made of black stone to angelic figures made of marble.



*** It could be due to the implications; the suits of armor have axes, so using them would've made the film to dark and gory for Disney (they changed Gaston's death from surviving the fall and being eaten by wolves to just falling for this reason).



** I think initially, he wanted her because she was the only one he considered to be attractive enough to be worth him, but then she rejected him. That rejection was a huge blow to his massive ego and his ego is basically his entire identity. He needed to avenge himself to back up his own self image and the way other people looked at him. Plus there's always that 'you want what you can't have' thing.

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** I think initially, he wanted her because she was the only one he considered to be attractive enough to be worth him, but then she rejected him. That rejection was a huge blow to his massive ego and his ego is basically his entire identity. He needed to avenge himself to back up his own self image and the way other people looked at him. Plus there's always that 'you want what you can't have' thing.
*** He says Belle's attractive in the film (''"In town there's only she, who's as beautiful as me..."'')



* What exactly did Belle think was going to happen with the Beast? Seriously the best she could have hoped for was being locked in her Father's cell and being an attractive young woman rather than a old man she should have been expecting a much worse fate. She couldn't possibly have known she'd be some combination of outright neglected and courted unless she's already read the story!

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* What exactly did Belle think was going to happen with the Beast? Seriously the best she could have hoped for was being locked in her Father's cell and being an attractive young woman rather than a old man she should have been expecting a much worse fate. She couldn't possibly have known she'd be some combination of outright neglected and courted unless she's already read the story!



*** Belle did respond to the sheep, but it was merely wagging her finger at it.



** It's not that nobody ''likes'' Belle and Maurice, it's that everyone thinks Maurice is crazy and that Belle is not just odd, but ''ungrateful'' for rejecting their town hero's advances. I think people are scared of Maurice, even if the asylum owner isn't, because you do see explosions come from their house, and nobody knows what he's inventing. Belle and Maurice disturb their boring, ordinary little lives they're content with having. They're not cruel, they're just very narrow-minded and simple, but not stupid. Everyone there likes their quiet lives, something they can't have with Belle and her father disturbing the status quo. None of the are doing it to be cruel and they're not doing it out of stupidity. If the town hero, who everyone trusts, says something's dangerous, and the only defence it gets is from a weird woman who reads fantasy novels when no other woman reads, you're probably going to side with the town hero. Simply put, nobody sees Gaston as selfish or cruel. They think he deserves Belle if he wants her.

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*** It's possible that, due to his kindness, when the bookseller got wind of the plan to imprison Maurice and blackmail Belle he wanted no part in it, hence his absence from the mob.
** It's not that nobody ''likes'' Belle and Maurice, it's that everyone thinks Maurice is crazy and that Belle is not just odd, but ''ungrateful'' for rejecting their town hero's advances. I think people are scared of Maurice, even if the asylum owner isn't, because you do see explosions come from their house, and nobody knows what he's inventing. Belle and Maurice disturb their boring, ordinary little lives they're content with having. They're not cruel, they're just very narrow-minded and simple, but not stupid. Everyone there likes their quiet lives, something they can't have with Belle and her father disturbing the status quo. None of the are doing it to be cruel and they're not doing it out of stupidity. If the town hero, who everyone trusts, says something's dangerous, and the only defence defense it gets is from a weird woman who reads fantasy novels when no other woman reads, you're probably going to side with the town hero. Simply put, nobody sees Gaston as selfish or cruel. They think he deserves Belle if he wants her.her.
** Gaston rallied the crowd using something that, sadly in this case, does exist in real-life; Mob Mentality.



** There's a time gap between the mob going after the Beast (they're seen chopping down a tree to make a battering ram, and that takes time) and Chip steering the machine into the door. During that time it's likely Chip tried different things and figured it out.



** It's stated that the Beast's mind is becoming more animalistic. He goes to the West Wing to act out his bestial behaviors. In the commentary, it's stated that part of his anger over Belle being there is that he was ashamed that Belle saw what he'd done.



* Given that the servants were turned into every kind of household object from chairs to tableware, does this mean that there's a toilet that used to be a person? How awful must that guy's life be...

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* Given that the servants were turned into every kind of household object from chairs to tableware, does this mean that there's a toilet that used ** The townspeople seem to be a person? How awful must clannish and suspicious of the unusual, but not completely mean. While they do gossip about Belle they all say hello as she passes ("Bonjour!"), so they're at least being polite. Their treatment of Belle could be the result of DeliberateValuesDissonance; in that guy's life be...time and place physical prowess was prized and anyone who didn't fit the mold of the majority was at least snubbed ([[NotSoDifferent similar to today minus increased knowledge of mental disorders and social services]], and due to the outdoor wedding the village didn't even appear to have a church]]). There's also the DoubleStandards about gender with Belle being a woman and Gaston being a man.
14th Aug '16 9:33:29 PM Eagal
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* Given that the servants were turned into every kind of household object from chairs to tableware, does this mean that there's a toilet that used to be a person? How awful must that guy's life be...
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