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16th Nov '16 10:32:41 PM Jeran
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* Apparently one of the romance epilogues in the Enhanced Edition has you DIE. Not just DIE, but get stuffed into the fridge solely to spite your love interest. Excuse me, but what the fuck? If you personally defeated monsters like Demogorgon, I find it sincerely hard to comprehend how a thing like this is even physically possible.
11th Oct '16 8:31:21 PM Valkyr
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** Chalk it up to two Bhaalspawn growing up together linking them close enough that "Bhaal's power clings to itself" makes Imoen's soul anchor to Charname.
15th May '16 2:16:34 AM Doug86
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*** Along that same line, maybe s/he would be something like {{Discworld}}'s [[AC:Death]], a benevolent, DontFearTheReaper type who 'takes over where life left off.' Somebody like that would be a close ally of deities such as Ilmater (because s/he would give final relief for the suffering) and Kelemvor (s/he sees souls safely off to the afterlife).

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*** Along that same line, maybe s/he would be something like {{Discworld}}'s Literature/{{Discworld}}'s [[AC:Death]], a benevolent, DontFearTheReaper type who 'takes over where life left off.' Somebody like that would be a close ally of deities such as Ilmater (because s/he would give final relief for the suffering) and Kelemvor (s/he sees souls safely off to the afterlife).
7th Mar '16 7:24:42 PM rehberre
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* In BGII, when you first encounter Imoen in Spellhold, she's a psychotic wreck and an EmptyShell. After you lose your soul, she suddenly regains her sanity and can jump right back into your party. Headcanon is that my group happened to have a Heal spell on hand, but does game itself give any explanation for this?
27th Jan '16 5:25:48 PM rehberre
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****** Along that same line, maybe s/he would be something like {{Discworld}}'s [[AC:Death]], a benevolent, DontFearTheReaper type who 'takes over where life left off.' Somebody like that would be a close ally of deities such as Ilmater (because s/he would give final relief for the suffering) and Kelemvor (s/he sees souls safely off to the afterlife).
10th Dec '15 5:36:02 AM LordInsane
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**** Almost certainly didn't know. This is really old canon, it just hasn't been superseded (certainly not when Baldur's Gate was made).
30th Nov '15 11:21:48 AM Mjolnir13621
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*I personally take it as a form of self-reinforcement, their mantra of reminding themselves "this is how Drow act, if we do anything else, even the other drow will suspect us", "we are drow, everyone hates us, we can't forget that and go soft, otherwise they might stick us in the back when we're nice", and things like that.
29th Oct '15 9:25:28 PM Nasrudith
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*** No it does not. Putting aside the outrage of its citizenry doing so [[TooDumbToLive would be a very bad idea.]] Although Cowled Wizards do show up if you have a very low reputation so they could have gotten involved with him anyway.
13th Aug '15 10:41:06 PM johnnysugar
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*** It seems to have been altered for Enhanced Edition, at least in the first game. I ran a good-aligned, Reputation 20 party for the vast majority of BG:EE, and Jaheria (the only neutral member) only ever used her positive comment on the party's reputation. I remember finding her insufferable in the original release of the game because in the same circumstances, she would only use her "mildly annoyed" comment. The one that insinuated that she would be a better leader than CHARNAME.
22nd Jul '15 8:57:14 AM VPhantom
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** I only mentioned romance because you don't really get that many dialogues with most NPCs outside of the romances (and because I've seen it asserted elsewhere that she doesn't talk about her wings outside of the romance dialogue, which is factually untrue). And yes, most banters in the game are about the recipient of the banter, not the initiator of the banter. That doesn't make Aerie unique. What does, however, is the way she interjects her complaining in to the banter anyways. She'll talk to Minsc about Rashemen, sure, but whines about how she was taken from her home in the process. She can even whine about her wings while she's still an ogre. As for real life - well, in the real world I'd tell anyone like Aerie to find professional help. This isn't some macho InternetToughGuy garbage - it's because in the real world, depression and PTSD are serious diseases that don't get solved by meeting a kind stranger who offers up some encouraging words and the idea that they do is an all-too-prevalent one that hurts actual people who really exist. But that's RealLife. In the real world, I'd also want to talk about, say, having my parents killed by monsters and an evil slaver and smuggler trying to force me to marry him against my will, or having my lover/husband killed, or especially, being brutally tortured and then having my soul sucked out. And yet, everyone but poor little Aerie manages not to whine about it, and in fact rarely ever mention their issues at all outside of their designated questlines or romances, even though she's had the most time to get over her issues and actually has someone she's close to outside of the party to try and work this out with.

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** I only mentioned romance because you don't really get that many dialogues with most NPCs [=NPCs=] outside of the romances (and because I've seen it asserted elsewhere that she doesn't talk about her wings outside of the romance dialogue, which is factually untrue). And yes, most banters in the game are about the recipient of the banter, not the initiator of the banter. That doesn't make Aerie unique. What does, however, is the way she interjects her complaining in to the banter anyways. She'll talk to Minsc about Rashemen, sure, but whines about how she was taken from her home in the process. She can even whine about her wings while she's still an ogre. As for real life - well, in the real world I'd tell anyone like Aerie to find professional help. This isn't some macho InternetToughGuy garbage - it's because in the real world, depression and PTSD are serious diseases that don't get solved by meeting a kind stranger who offers up some encouraging words and the idea that they do is an all-too-prevalent one that hurts actual people who really exist. But that's RealLife. In the real world, I'd also want to talk about, say, having my parents killed by monsters and an evil slaver and smuggler trying to force me to marry him against my will, or having my lover/husband killed, or especially, being brutally tortured and then having my soul sucked out. And yet, everyone but poor little Aerie manages not to whine about it, and in fact rarely ever mention their issues at all outside of their designated questlines or romances, even though she's had the most time to get over her issues and actually has someone she's close to outside of the party to try and work this out with.



*** I'm not sure why this is even a Headscratcher, really. You can only get bandit scalps from bandits. Slaughtering the citizens in towns won't help you, they usually don't have any items on them and there's no "scalping" function that allows you to take the scalps of anyone you kill. If you're asking why the other NPCs are written to assume that you're only turning in bandit scalps, apparently the game is skewed in favor of the good side and the development team didn't think of a PC who went around murdering random souls for their scalps. I don't think this game was meant to be a wide open sandbox where you could do anything you wanted to.
*** Also, attacking NPCs in towns nets you a -5 to reputation and other NPCs turn hostile. Get your reputation low enough and every time you enter a town, you will have a Flaming Fist force on your heels, attempting to capture you. NPCs outside of towns may carry items, but never bandit scalps if they aren't bandits.

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*** I'm not sure why this is even a Headscratcher, really. You can only get bandit scalps from bandits. Slaughtering the citizens in towns won't help you, they usually don't have any items on them and there's no "scalping" function that allows you to take the scalps of anyone you kill. If you're asking why the other NPCs [=NPCs=] are written to assume that you're only turning in bandit scalps, apparently the game is skewed in favor of the good side and the development team didn't think of a PC who went around murdering random souls for their scalps. I don't think this game was meant to be a wide open sandbox where you could do anything you wanted to.
*** Also, attacking NPCs [=NPCs=] in towns nets you a -5 to reputation and other NPCs [=NPCs=] turn hostile. Get your reputation low enough and every time you enter a town, you will have a Flaming Fist force on your heels, attempting to capture you. NPCs [=NPCs=] outside of towns may carry items, but never bandit scalps if they aren't bandits.
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