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12th Dec '16 2:23:31 PM Forenperser
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*** Really? I for one (if I were one of those bigotted people) would be ''relieved'' rather than concerned. Their first priority isn't just their own survival anymore, they use their god-given powers to enrich the world as a whole, including the humans, who have not treated them very wel until now.
13th Oct '16 10:39:04 AM DaScarecrow
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*** The Avengers were concerned that while the Phoenix Five may have been acting benevolently ''at the moment'' they could have lost control and gone Dark Phoenix at any point. Granted continued antagonism likely made that a certainty rather than just a probable conclusion.
*** It should be noted that the X-Men were fighting so fiercely in the first place because they believed the Phoenix Force would restore mutantkind but the Phoenix Five do absolutely nothing towards that end. Getting that kind of power and not using it for the purpose you've been zealously fighting for is more than likely to make people nervous than welcoming.
15th May '16 9:29:34 AM nombretomado
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* In the final issue of Avengers vs. X-Men we see the faces of [[spoiler:Emma Frost, [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]], and {{Magneto}}]] plastered on wanted posters. The first two make sense, given their contact with the Phoenix and their subsequent actions, but [[spoiler:Magneto]] behaved fairly heroically during this series. Sure he tangled with the Avengers, but what X-Man didn't? I assume they want him [[DesignatedVillain firmly in familiar villain territory]] for Marvel NOW, but given his placement next to the others, it rendered the panel distracting.

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* In the final issue of Avengers vs. X-Men we see the faces of [[spoiler:Emma Frost, [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]], and {{Magneto}}]] ComicBook/{{Magneto}}]] plastered on wanted posters. The first two make sense, given their contact with the Phoenix and their subsequent actions, but [[spoiler:Magneto]] behaved fairly heroically during this series. Sure he tangled with the Avengers, but what X-Man didn't? I assume they want him [[DesignatedVillain firmly in familiar villain territory]] for Marvel NOW, but given his placement next to the others, it rendered the panel distracting.
12th Apr '16 6:41:07 AM jm0914
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*** Because that's part of its job. For some reason the Phoenix overlaps with Galactus in some duties. The difference is that Galactus consumes worlds in order to date his hunger and because his being alive serves as the key to the prison for an even worse threat. The Phoenix, meanwhile, only destroys worlds that have reached the end of their lifespan or an evolutionary dead-end to clear space for new ones.

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*** Because that's part of its job. For some reason the Phoenix overlaps with Galactus in some duties. The difference is that Galactus consumes worlds in order to date sate his hunger and because his being alive serves as the key to the prison for an even worse threat. The Phoenix, meanwhile, only destroys worlds that have reached the end of their lifespan or an evolutionary dead-end to clear space for new ones.
12th Apr '16 6:40:05 AM jm0914
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***Because that's part of its job. For some reason the Phoenix overlaps with Galactus in some duties. The difference is that Galactus consumes worlds in order to date his hunger and because his being alive serves as the key to the prison for an even worse threat. The Phoenix, meanwhile, only destroys worlds that have reached the end of their lifespan or an evolutionary dead-end to clear space for new ones.
24th Jan '16 10:41:12 AM nombretomado
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* In the final issue of Avengers vs. X-Men we see the faces of [[spoiler:Emma Frost, {{Namor}}, and {{Magneto}}]] plastered on wanted posters. The first two make sense, given their contact with the Phoenix and their subsequent actions, but [[spoiler:Magneto]] behaved fairly heroically during this series. Sure he tangled with the Avengers, but what X-Man didn't? I assume they want him [[DesignatedVillain firmly in familiar villain territory]] for Marvel NOW, but given his placement next to the others, it rendered the panel distracting.

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* In the final issue of Avengers vs. X-Men we see the faces of [[spoiler:Emma Frost, {{Namor}}, [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]], and {{Magneto}}]] plastered on wanted posters. The first two make sense, given their contact with the Phoenix and their subsequent actions, but [[spoiler:Magneto]] behaved fairly heroically during this series. Sure he tangled with the Avengers, but what X-Man didn't? I assume they want him [[DesignatedVillain firmly in familiar villain territory]] for Marvel NOW, but given his placement next to the others, it rendered the panel distracting.
28th Jun '15 4:52:26 PM Ymirsdaughter
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** See ComicBook/TheChildrensCrusade. When Wanda changed all reality and depowered mutants, she was tapping on a special power which is now lost for her. She's not as insanely powerful as she was back then, but she's still incredibly powerful as she was before all those things. She's not a reality warper anymore, she's "just" a witch with mutant powers and knowledge of the arcane arts, who can even manipulate the magic of Chton (which is much indeed: in ''ComicBook/HeroesReturn'', without reality warping powers herself, she single-handedly defeated the reality warper Morgan Le Fey at the peak of her power). And yes, "it was said" that the powers of the Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix were like a Yin and a Yang... but who said it? An expert, like Iron First? No, Tony Stark, a scientist who had always dismissed those things, until science was not enough and had to seek solutions somewhere else. In other words: an amateur.

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** See ComicBook/TheChildrensCrusade. When Wanda changed all reality and depowered mutants, she was tapping on a special power which is now lost for her. She's not as insanely powerful as she was back then, but she's still incredibly powerful as she was before all those things. She's not a reality warper anymore, she's "just" a witch with mutant powers and knowledge of the arcane arts, who can even manipulate the magic of Chton (which is much indeed: in ''ComicBook/HeroesReturn'', without reality warping powers herself, she single-handedly defeated the reality warper Morgan Le Fey at the peak of her power). And yes, "it was said" that the powers of the Scarlet Witch and the Phoenix were like a Yin and a Yang... but who said it? An expert, like Iron First? No, Tony Stark, a scientist who had always dismissed those things, until science was not enough and had to seek solutions somewhere else. In other words: an amateur. amateur.
** He may just have meant that Wanda deactivated the mutant gene, while the Phoenix reactivated it.
23rd Oct '14 8:23:53 PM seekquaze1
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** Frankly, what the Phoenix is tends to vary widely by stories to the point where X-fans have trouble keeping up with it. In some it is a powerful alien entity, in others it has some sort of connection to life and evolution, and in others it is basically God. It also does not attend the meetings of other cosmic entities like Eternity, Death and Galactus. Heck, Galactus wasn't sure what it was when he met it and he talks regularly with Death and Eternity. In many ways it was almost unique to the X-Men's corner of the universe. Considering most of the Avengers involved are not experts in the fundamental forces of the universe or at best have heard of Eternity and the others they probable thought it was just a really powerful alien entity, that it could not be fully killed only banished, or that another cosmic entity would fulfill its role. Afterall, Eternity embodies life, Mistress Death embodies death, the Celestials oversee evolution, and these entities balance each other. In many ways the Phoenix is redundant.
15th Sep '14 12:56:54 AM TheConductor
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** A writer who was a teenager when they were married will start working at Marvel and they will get remarried.
29th Jul '14 2:37:11 PM SeptimusHeap
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* Let's step back for a moment shall we? It was established early on that the approaching Phoenix was ''[[EarthShatteringKaboom destroying worlds]]'' on its way to Earth! Was it ''really'' irrational for the Avengers to regard it as a [[Comicbook/{{Galactus}} Galactus-level]] [[ApocalypseHow/{{ClassX}} threat to Earth]]? The X-Men were fully aware of the Phoenix [[ApocalypseHow/{{ClassX-2}} destroying an entire star system in the past]]! But now, just because most of the world's mutants have been BroughtDownToNormal, the X-Men are prepared to welcome it with open arms like some kind of ApocalypseCult. They are fully-prepared to risk the very existence of the Earth and the ''entire human race'' on the gamble that Hope will be able to control the Phoenix should she in fact become its vessel. Why ''wouldn't'' the Avengers (along with the rest of the human race) see this as an unacceptable risk, especially just to restore the powers of a group of people that are increasingly seen (and see themselves) as separate from [[FantasticRacism humanity]], and one of whose major representatives, Magneto, has openly-espoused [[MasterRace Hitler-like]] philosophy in the past?

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* Let's step back for a moment shall we? It was established early on that the approaching Phoenix was ''[[EarthShatteringKaboom destroying worlds]]'' on its way to Earth! Was it ''really'' irrational for the Avengers to regard it as a [[Comicbook/{{Galactus}} Galactus-level]] [[ApocalypseHow/{{ClassX}} threat to Earth]]? The X-Men were fully aware of the Phoenix [[ApocalypseHow/{{ClassX-2}} [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX2 destroying an entire star system in the past]]! But now, just because most of the world's mutants have been BroughtDownToNormal, the X-Men are prepared to welcome it with open arms like some kind of ApocalypseCult. They are fully-prepared to risk the very existence of the Earth and the ''entire human race'' on the gamble that Hope will be able to control the Phoenix should she in fact become its vessel. Why ''wouldn't'' the Avengers (along with the rest of the human race) see this as an unacceptable risk, especially just to restore the powers of a group of people that are increasingly seen (and see themselves) as separate from [[FantasticRacism humanity]], and one of whose major representatives, Magneto, has openly-espoused [[MasterRace Hitler-like]] philosophy in the past?
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