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20th Nov '17 3:59:04 PM PandaXclone2
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** They didn't believe Toph before because what she was saying conflicted with what Zuko's done before, plus he burnt her feet albeit by accident. Zuko's moment in warning the Gaang of Combustion Man and trying to get him to stop the assassination, then being blasted off the edge shows he wasn't their enemy anymore (or at least that he was in the middle of burning that bridge.) When it came down to it, their feelings weren't letting them think straight at the time. The only one who could've possibly had reason to doubt Zuko was Katara, but for Aang she begrudgingly gave him the benefit of doubt. It also would be unlikely to be a trap since Toph's the one who recommended Zuko to try looking for firebending at its source, which led him to decide on going to the next best thing: the Sun Warrior ruins. A trap isn't effective if the people in on it don't know where to be. And for the record, the Gaang have split up before.

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** They didn't believe Toph before because what she was saying conflicted with what Zuko's done before, plus he burnt her feet albeit by accident. Zuko's moment in warning It's not like the Gaang of Combustion Man and trying to get him to stop the assassination, then being blasted off the edge shows he wasn't their enemy anymore (or at least that he was in the middle of burning that bridge.) When it came down to it, their feelings weren't letting them think straight at the time. The only one who could've possibly had reason to doubt ''won't'' believe her if she says Zuko was Katara, but for Aang she begrudgingly gave him the benefit of doubt. is lying about his Firebending or his alliance. It also would also be unlikely to be a trap since Toph's the one who recommended Zuko to try looking for firebending Firebending at its source, which led him to decide on going to the next best thing: the Sun Warrior ruins.ruins, A.k.a. an island which should have no people on it anymore much less soldiers. A trap isn't effective if the people in on it don't know where to be. And for the record, this isn't the first time the Gaang have split up before. up.
20th Nov '17 3:43:42 PM PandaXclone2
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** But she told them that Zuko was being truthful in the last episode, and they didn't believe her then. And even if they do all trust that Aang will be safe with Zuko, I don't understand why they all wouldn't have gone with them anyway...They've always stuck together on journeys like this, and there's still the possibility of them falling into some sort of trap or something. (Like they eventually do.)

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** But she told them that Zuko was being truthful in the last episode, and they didn't believe her then. And even if they do all trust that Aang will be safe with Zuko, I don't understand why they all wouldn't have gone with them anyway... They've always stuck together on journeys like this, and there's still the possibility of them falling into some sort of trap or something. (Like they eventually do.))
** They didn't believe Toph before because what she was saying conflicted with what Zuko's done before, plus he burnt her feet albeit by accident. Zuko's moment in warning the Gaang of Combustion Man and trying to get him to stop the assassination, then being blasted off the edge shows he wasn't their enemy anymore (or at least that he was in the middle of burning that bridge.) When it came down to it, their feelings weren't letting them think straight at the time. The only one who could've possibly had reason to doubt Zuko was Katara, but for Aang she begrudgingly gave him the benefit of doubt. It also would be unlikely to be a trap since Toph's the one who recommended Zuko to try looking for firebending at its source, which led him to decide on going to the next best thing: the Sun Warrior ruins. A trap isn't effective if the people in on it don't know where to be. And for the record, the Gaang have split up before.
20th Nov '17 1:20:26 PM sugaricequeen
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** But she told them that Zuko was being truthful in the last episode, and they didn't believe her then. And even if they do all trust that Aang will be safe with Zuko, I don't understand why they all wouldn't have gone with them anyway...They've always stuck together on journeys like this, and there's still the possibility of them falling into some sort of trap or something. (Like they eventually do.)
20th Nov '17 5:37:34 AM PandaXclone2
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** Toph would know that he's not lying and she herself has no reason to lie to the Gaang, and the fact that his firebending is failing should make a statement that he isn't relying on anger and hatred anymore. Aang is also the one riding Appa with Zuko giving instructions, so if anything felt off about where they were going Aang could easily turn back. Even had Zuko secretly been trying to lead Aang into a trap, he wouldn't have much but his dual swords to fight him, which is a big disadvantage.
19th Nov '17 8:34:21 PM sugaricequeen
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* Was the rest of the Gaang really okay with Aang going on a day trip into the Fire Nation, with Zuko, who's only just joined their team, ''completely alone'', in "The Firebending Masters?" Even if Zuko lost his firebending (which none of them can actually be sure of, really), we've seen him get by with his dual swords alone, and there's at least a possibility that he could lead an unsuspecting Aang into some sort of trap. I can't imagine why at least Katara wouldn't have insisted on coming along.
4th Sep '17 7:06:43 AM PandaXclone2
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** Her grudge is less about the fact that Zuko's their enemy who has been chasing the Gaang around to catch the Avatar, and more about the fact that he burned her feet. She's calling the Gaang out on their unwillingness to believe Zuko's HeelFaceTurn because of those prior encounters, and considering she's a LivingLieDetector Toph knows something is different this time. The whole matter is complicated further by what was an accident but seemed to be malicious, which just proved Toph's point. Regardless, Toph's the kind of person to get even when she's been kicked down a few notches and I'm sure that while she knew it was an accident, she'd still get him back in some way. That's her grudge in a nutshell.

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** Her Toph has a different kind of grudge from the rest of the Gaang. Hers is less about the fact that Zuko's their enemy who has been chasing the Gaang around to catch the Avatar, enemy, and more about the fact that he burned her feet. She's calling the Gaang out on their unwillingness to believe Zuko's HeelFaceTurn because of those prior encounters, and considering she's a LivingLieDetector Toph knows something is different this time. The whole matter is complicated further by what was an accident but seemed to be malicious, that the rest of the Gaang saw as fitting in with what Zuko would do, which just proved Toph's point. Regardless, Toph's the kind of person to get even when she's been kicked down a few notches and I'm sure that while she knew it was an accident, she'd still get him back in some way. That's her grudge in a nutshell.
4th Sep '17 7:01:05 AM PandaXclone2
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** Her grudge is less about the fact that Zuko's their enemy who has been chasing the Gaang around to catch the Avatar, and more about the fact that he burned her feet. She's calling the Gaang out on their unwillingness to believe Zuko's HeelFaceTurn because of those prior encounters, and considering she's a LivingLieDetector Toph know's something is different this time. The whole matter is complicated further by what was an accident but seemed to be malicious, which just proved Toph's point. Regardless, Toph's the kind of person to get even when she's been kicked down a few notches and I'm sure that while she knew it was an accident, she'd still get him back in some way. That's her grudge in a nutshell.

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** Her grudge is less about the fact that Zuko's their enemy who has been chasing the Gaang around to catch the Avatar, and more about the fact that he burned her feet. She's calling the Gaang out on their unwillingness to believe Zuko's HeelFaceTurn because of those prior encounters, and considering she's a LivingLieDetector Toph know's knows something is different this time. The whole matter is complicated further by what was an accident but seemed to be malicious, which just proved Toph's point. Regardless, Toph's the kind of person to get even when she's been kicked down a few notches and I'm sure that while she knew it was an accident, she'd still get him back in some way. That's her grudge in a nutshell.
4th Sep '17 7:00:24 AM PandaXclone2
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** Her grudge is less about the fact that Zuko's their enemy who has been chasing the Gaang around to catch the Avatar, and more about the fact that he burned her feet. She's calling the Gaang out on their unwillingness to believe Zuko's HeelFaceTurn. The whole matter is complicated further by what was an accident but seemed to be malicious, which just proved Toph's point. Regardless, Toph's the kind of person to get even when she's been kicked down a few notches and I'm sure that while she knew it was an accident, she'd still get him back in some way.

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** Her grudge is less about the fact that Zuko's their enemy who has been chasing the Gaang around to catch the Avatar, and more about the fact that he burned her feet. She's calling the Gaang out on their unwillingness to believe Zuko's HeelFaceTurn.HeelFaceTurn because of those prior encounters, and considering she's a LivingLieDetector Toph know's something is different this time. The whole matter is complicated further by what was an accident but seemed to be malicious, which just proved Toph's point. Regardless, Toph's the kind of person to get even when she's been kicked down a few notches and I'm sure that while she knew it was an accident, she'd still get him back in some way. That's her grudge in a nutshell.
4th Sep '17 6:53:01 AM PandaXclone2
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** Her grudge is less about the fact that Zuko's their enemy who has been chasing the Gaang around to catch the Avatar, and more about the fact that he burned her feet. She's calling the Gaang out on their unwillingness to believe Zuko's HeelFaceTurn. The whole matter is complicated further by what was an accident but seemed to be malicious, which just proved Toph's point. Regardless, Toph's the kind of person to get even when she's been kicked down a few notches and I'm sure that while she knew it was an accident, she'd still get him back in some way.
4th Sep '17 5:53:24 AM sugaricequeen
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** OP here: I understand ''the principle'' of her being upset. I'm not saying she doesn't have any right to hold a grudge against him, under general circumstances. What I don't get is why she's holding a grudge, after having just calling everyone else out for holding grudges, especially when Zuko's actions against her were an accident. If they'd taken out her telling them to let go of their grudges and consider trusting him, I would see no problem.
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