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\n* In the case of the Northern and Southern tribes another major issue is probably their food supply. They have exactly zero arable land and rely on fishing and hunting to feed themselves, which is much less productive than agriculture, which means they collectively spend much more time acquiring food, which means they collectively have a lot less free time to spend doing things like building infrastructure or acquiring resources that aren't food. Honestly, if anything the Northern water tribe is ''more'' wealthy than it realistically should be.
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* At the most, SituationalSexuality would be in play, here. No different than your stereotypical same-sex shenanigans in bording schools or naval vessels.

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* At the most, SituationalSexuality would be in play, here. No different than your stereotypical same-sex shenanigans in bording schools or naval vessels.




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* The Earth Kingdom seemed to be a loose confederation of city states (like ancient China). And the Southern Water Tribe was explicitly under the control of the North. Or at least it was through Season 2 of ''Korra,'' where they explicitly declared themselves a separate nation.
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* At the most, SituationalSexuality would be in play, here. No different than your stereotypical same-sex shenanigans in bording schools or naval vessels.
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\n** That may make sense for smaller settlements, where the Fire Nation held influence (if not outright control). But what about the North Pole, Omashu or Ba Sing Se - large, fortified cities we know had fended off the Fire Nation? No groups of Air Nomads reached either of those cities? It's doubtful King Bumi wouldn't have brought up large groups of Air refugees simply showing up and vanishing.

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* A couple of things to note: When the Gaang meet an Earth Kingdom merchant they recognize and readily accepts their Water Tribe currency, so clearly there is international trade. Also, there are plants in the show's South Pole (mostly short polar conifers), something again seen in the comics. That's likely where the dye comes from.

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* A couple of things to note: When the Gaang meet an Earth Kingdom merchant they recognize and readily accepts accept their Water Tribe currency, so clearly there is international trade. Also, there are plants in the show's South Pole (mostly short polar conifers), something again seen in the comics. That's likely where the dye comes from.





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\n* The Northern Tribe has a huge city with walls and a large military. The Southern Tribe is way smaller, and presumably an easier target.




* Seperation of social class is also likely quite jarring for a spiritual nation, which would reject worldly posessions and whatnot. Aang is the [[TheChosenOne Avatar]] — he pretty much ''exists'' to combat unfair treatment and stagnant cultures like the one in '''Ba Sing Se.'''


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* Seperation Separation of social class is also likely quite jarring for a spiritual nation, which would reject worldly posessions possessions and whatnot. Aang is the [[TheChosenOne Avatar]] — he pretty much ''exists'' to combat unfair treatment and stagnant cultures like the one in '''Ba Sing Se.'''




** You really think someone from the Fire Nation would let a member of an enemy country, who has been imprisoned (and probably tortured) by the Fire Nation, perform healing on them? Maybe some were willing, but probably not many after a waterbender figured out they could move water into someone's throat and drown them, or bloodbend, or any number of ways to kill someone.



Doesn't the Fire Nation have a KGB-like organization whose job is to ensure the loyalty of citizens (in this matter, rebel hunting), much like how Star Wars had COMPNOR or the Imperial Security Beureau? If they did, shouldn't they be the ones Team Avatar has to contend with?

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Doesn't the Fire Nation have a KGB-like organization whose job is to ensure the loyalty of citizens (in this matter, rebel hunting), much like how Star Wars had COMPNOR or the Imperial Security Beureau? Bureau? If they did, shouldn't they be the ones Team Avatar has to contend with?



** Take for instance the UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire (the largest empire in our world history), which made its first colony in 1607 and it reached its peak at the early 20th century taking over about 25% of the world's land. It took about '''400 years''' for Great Britain to take over a '''small portion''' of the world. A far cry from the Fire Nation taking over the entire Earth Kingdom in just a century.

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** Take for instance the UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire (the largest empire in our world history), which made its first colony in 1607 and it reached its peak at the early 20th century taking over about 25% of the world's land. It took about '''400 years''' for Great Britain to take over a '''small portion''' of the world. A far cry from the Fire Nation taking over the entire Earth Kingdom in just a century.
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** Take for instance the UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire (the largest empire in our world history), which made its first colony in 1607 and it reached its peak at the early 20th century taking over about 25% of the world's land. It took about '''400 years''' for Great Britain to take over a small '''portion''' of the world.

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** Take for instance the UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire (the largest empire in our world history), which made its first colony in 1607 and it reached its peak at the early 20th century taking over about 25% of the world's land. It took about '''400 years''' for Great Britain to take over a small '''portion''' '''small portion''' of the world.world. A far cry from the Fire Nation taking over the entire Earth Kingdom in just a century.
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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a supercontinent that covers most of the entire world reminiscent to the size of Afro-Eurasia which would take more than a century for a country to conquer one. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent annexing multiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized politically or militarily unlike the Fire Nation as they had just industrialized and there doesn't seem to be any infrastructure or transport in the Earth Kingdom that would lead from one side of the continent to another. The Gaang had to use a sky bison (a nearly extinct species) to travel the world so it would've taken the postal system years or even decades to deliver a message for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei would have done ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and isolating the monarch from the rest of the world.

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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a supercontinent that covers most of the entire world reminiscent to the size of Afro-Eurasia which would take more than a century for a country to conquer one. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble an expedition for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent annexing multiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation.country. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized politically or militarily unlike the Fire Nation as they had just industrialized and there doesn't seem to be any infrastructure or transport in the Earth Kingdom that would lead from one side of the continent to another. The Gaang had to use a sky bison (a nearly extinct species) to travel the world so it would've taken for the Earth Kingdom postal system years or even decades to deliver a message for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei would have done ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and isolating the most powerful monarch from the rest of the world.
** Take for instance the UsefulNotes/TheBritishEmpire (the largest empire in our world history), which made its first colony in 1607 and it reached its peak at the early 20th century taking over about 25% of the world's land. It took about '''400 years''' for Great Britain to take over a small '''portion''' of the world.
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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a continent that covers most of the entire world reminiscent to the size of Eurasia. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent conquering multiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized politcally or militarily unlike the Fire Nation as they had just industrialized and there doesn't seem to be any infrastructure or transport on the Earth Kingdom that would lead from one side of the continent to another. The Gaang had to use a sky bison (a nearly extinct species) to travel the world so it would've taken the postal system years or even decades to deliver a message for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei would have done ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and the monarch's isolation from the rest of the world.

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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a continent supercontinent that covers most of the entire world reminiscent to the size of Eurasia. Afro-Eurasia which would take more than a century for a country to conquer one. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent conquering annexing multiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized politcally politically or militarily unlike the Fire Nation as they had just industrialized and there doesn't seem to be any infrastructure or transport on in the Earth Kingdom that would lead from one side of the continent to another. The Gaang had to use a sky bison (a nearly extinct species) to travel the world so it would've taken the postal system years or even decades to deliver a message for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei would have done ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and isolating the monarch's isolation monarch from the rest of the world.
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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a continent that covers most of the entire world reminiscent to the size of Eurasia. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent conquering multiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized unlike the Fire Nation as they just industrialized as there doesn't seem to be any infrastructure or transport on the Earth Kingdom that would lead from one side of the continent to another. The Gaang had to use a sky bison (an nearly extinct species) to travel the world so it would've taken the postal system years to deliver a message for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei would have done ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and the monarch's isolation from the rest of the world.

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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a continent that covers most of the entire world reminiscent to the size of Eurasia. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent conquering multiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized politcally or militarily unlike the Fire Nation as they had just industrialized as and there doesn't seem to be any infrastructure or transport on the Earth Kingdom that would lead from one side of the continent to another. The Gaang had to use a sky bison (an (a nearly extinct species) to travel the world so it would've taken the postal system years or even decades to deliver a message for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei would have done ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and the monarch's isolation from the rest of the world.
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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a continent that covers most of the entire world reminiscent to the size of Eurasia. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent conquering nultiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized unlike the Fire Nation who had just industrlized as there doesn't seem to be any infrastructure or transport on the Earth Kingdom that would lead from one side of the continent to another. The Gaang had to use a sky bison to travel the world so it would've taken them years for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei would have done ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and the monarch's isolation from the rest of the world.

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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a continent that covers most of the entire world reminiscent to the size of Eurasia. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent conquering nultiple multiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized unlike the Fire Nation who had as they just industrlized industrialized as there doesn't seem to be any infrastructure or transport on the Earth Kingdom that would lead from one side of the continent to another. The Gaang had to use a sky bison (an nearly extinct species) to travel the world so it would've taken them the postal system years to deliver a message for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei would have done ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and the monarch's isolation from the rest of the world.
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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a continent that covers the entire world similar to the size of Eurasia. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent conquering nultiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized unlike the Fire Nation as there doesn't seem to be any continental infrastructure or transport that would lead them from one side of the world to another as the Gaang had to use a sky bison to travel the world so it would've taken them years for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei did ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and the monarch's isolation.

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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a continent that covers most of the entire world similar reminiscent to the size of Eurasia. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent conquering nultiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized unlike the Fire Nation who had just industrlized as there doesn't seem to be any continental infrastructure or transport on the Earth Kingdom that would lead them from one side of the world continent to another as the another. The Gaang had to use a sky bison to travel the world so it would've taken them years for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei did would have done ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and the monarch's isolation.
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* Keep in mind that the Earth Kingdom is the size of a continent that covers the entire world similar to the size of Eurasia. So technically the "war" is more like a scramble for the Fire Nation to colonize an entire continent conquering nultiple vassal states rather than just a direct conflict against a single nation. The Earth Kingdom isn't very centralized unlike the Fire Nation as there doesn't seem to be any continental infrastructure or transport that would lead them from one side of the world to another as the Gaang had to use a sky bison to travel the world so it would've taken them years for the capital Ba Sing Se to respond and even then, Earth King Kuei did ''nothing'' about it due to the Dai Li brainwashing the public and the monarch's isolation.
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!! Why was the Northern Water Tribe mostly left alone during the war? Water Benders were kidnapped from the Southern Tribe during repeated raids that lasted for days and possibly weeks.


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* The Air Nomads are one of the four nations, but as the name implies they're nomads yet they have four huge temples filled with monks who raise the young, practice air bending, meditate and do other other religious things which must eat up a lot of time. Where do they get food (if we're going by Aang a lot of them are vegetarians), clothes (which are produced after their fashions), materials for the gliders, scrolls, and all the other things we've seen them have. Can you be nomads and still get from the land enough for you to survive plus support the temples and maybe trade for things...might point being, where do those monks get all those wonderful toys?
** I assume they use the wool of the sky bison to make their clothes. Lots of giant furry animals who shed a LOT? Couldn't be a better friendly natural resource to build a textile industry on.
** Aang mentioned that he traveled a lot in his youth (enough to have friends in both the Earth and Fire nations). I'm guessing they rotate their duties, some farm, some make clothes, some raise children, and some go out to travel.
** Also, it is never really stated that "nomads" is more than just a name. Perhaps they used to be nomadic but have settled down into temple life. Or perhaps the air bison herders are the "nomads" but their support network remains stationary.
*** I simply assumed that they are nomads who have a set of permanent settlements, and they are constantly on the move between them. Many real-life nomadic peoples had cities for the sake of trading; they just didn't live in them the whole year. This is conjecture, but I think that the Air Nomads travel between the four Air Temples, staying a couple of months in each before moving to another. Children and old monks are the exception; the latter stay put to educate the former until they are old enough to Airbend reliably and join the bulk of the nomadic population. This would also explain why we never see Air Nomads who are neither children nor monks in Aang's flashbacks.
** In [=LoK=] we see Tenzin's Air Temple Island has numerous non-benders in Air Nomad clothing. Presumably there were air-nomad civillians and what have you who did the grunt work.
*** Those are the Air Acolytes, a group of people that want to learn and preserve the culture of the Airbenders. They aren't actually air-nomads nor are they descendants. It's been stated that every air nomad was a bender due to their high level of spirituality.
* How did the Southern water tribe dye their clothes blue? No doubt they were made from otter-seal skin which is shown to be brown. And the South Pole is not exactly a plant-friendly environment...I'll just assume the Northern Water Tribe trades with the Earth Kingdom, but the Southern Tribe is shown to be tiny and isolated. On another note, I have never heard international trade being mentioned on Avatar except once, and that was a lie.
** A couple of things to note: The Southern Water Tribe isn't as small as the show makes it out to be. The comics reveal that Katara and Sokka's village is apparently one of many, and there was supposedly even a city that was destroyed by the Fire Nation. Also, there are plants in the show's South Pole (mostly short polar conifers), something again seen in the comics. It's possible that a lot of the trade and usage of dye is affected by these factors.
** Well, with all the weird wildlife in the ATLA world, maybe there's some kind of animal at the poles that makes ink. I don't know if real ink-making animals make really dark blue ink or black ink, but this is ATLA, so it's possible.
*** A Sealsquid or Whalerus would be a likely candidate for either blue dye or natural blue leather.
** Squid in RealLife make really dark ink. Maybe their [Insert Animal]-Squids just have really dark blue/purple ink that the Water Tribes just dilute to make different shades. Makes as much sense as, say, a Giant eyeless Mole thing that literally sees through smell.
** The Gaang meets an Earth Kingdom merchant who recognizes and readily accepts their Water Tribe currency, so clearly there is international trade.
** Tyrian purple dye used to be harvested from mollusks, so there is real-world precedent for strange, seemingly unnatural colors coming from sea life.

* Why does the fire Nation keep waterbending prisoners? They go to ridiculous lengths to keep them from waterbending and even then they run the risk of using other bodily fluids to escape. Why don't they just kill them?
** As an addendum to the above, why do they keep Earthbender prisoners either? They don't do anything with them and it's inconsistent with previous behavior. They sure didn't take any airbender prisoner.
*** Um, hostages. And maybe the Firebenders have a problem with killing defenseless prisoners, not all firebenders are soulless monsters, and maybe they think the other benders can be reintegrated in their society after the take over the world.
*** Also, the earthbenders in "Imprisoned" were being used as forced labor for building ships for the Fire Nation.
*** This troper finds it much more likely that they just can't show people being killed on a children's show. Given the rhetoric of most of the Firebenders and their efforts to stop the Avatar from being reincarnated in a more realistic show they would have been killed.
*** But they showed monk Gyatso's skeleton. Someone who we saw alive was brutally murdered by fire, and we saw his dead skeleton!
*** We saw his skeleton but we did not see his on-screen murder. That wouldn't fly in the show.
*** Most likely because it's a show aimed at kids, so showing the Fire Nation periodically stopping by the Southern Water Tribe to slaughter all their Water-Benders would be a serious '''No''' for the network. I agree that it's unrealistic that they'd go to the trouble of keeping them prisoners for the rest of their lives, particularly when it would accomplish the same effect by simply killing them. That said, it did make for a rather disturbing episode, in a good way.
*** The fire nation propaganda claimed they were educating the world. I can imagine capturing enemies and spending large amounts of money and manpower on prisons shows your people that you are more 'civilized' than your enemy (especially if you tell your people the enemy does kill prisoners)
*** Also, it's possible that some of the captured benders are willing to work for the Fire Nation as healers or builders or such in exchange for release from prison. Such services would be extremely useful to the Fire Nation (might help explain how it has such a strong economy despite the war.)
*** The Comics did show a 'mixed-race' (Earth and Fire) earthbender who was loyal to the Fire Nation. She was from one of the colonies.
** The Fire Nation apparently doesn't believe in the death penalty or execution. They'll let traitors live, after all, so apparently for some reason they don't believe in executing prisoners of war. Ozai even says to Zuko in "Day of Black Sun" that the he believes in banishing or imprisoning traitors rather than killing them, and his choice to kill Zuko at that moment was a rarity. If the Fire Nation is unwilling to execute traitors, then it stands to say they'd be unwilling to execute prisoners of war.
** What you guys are forgetting is that the only reason all of the Airbenders were killed was because they wanted to avoid any problems with the Avatar. There's no way a Waterbender or Earthbender could be the Avatar, so there's no need for such brutality.
*** If anything the reason they keep them alive is ''because'' they could be the Avatar. They have already killed what they believe to be all the airbenders. This means that the next place the Avatar would reincarnate would be the waterbenders. Thus every waterbender they keep alive in prison is potentially the Avatar.
*** That doesn't really make sense either. The way the Avatar cycle has been shown to work is thus; old Avatar dies, new Avatar is instantly re-incarnated in some random baby. The earth and waterbending [=POWs=] aren't babies. Maybe it's because of some sort of cultural tradition or what-not, or maybe they don't execute them ''because'' they're [=POW=]s, like some of the more, eh, ''forgiving'' nations in RealLife. Or maybe they wanted to interrogate them for information, the same way [=POWs=] of, say, the Korean War were interrogated.
*** Except that it's been DECADES since they "killed" the Avatar when the captures start. Which would mean that the potential Avatar would be... an adult.
*** Sorry but it was make very clear in the show that the reason why the Air Nomads were genocided is to cut the Avatar re-incarnation cycle. It didn't stop because Aang was able to escape. There's nothing on the show's mythology that could justify to think that they expect the next Avatar to be among the Waterbenders, quite the opposite, they assume no new Avatar would ever appear because there was no Air Nation and the line was thus cut. Is outright said on the dialogue. In any case it would not make sense to make a genocide of one nation if they thought that the next Avatar would only skip it and jump to the next one, and in that case then they would have to genocide the Water Nation and then the Earth nation, which aside from impractical doesn't seem to be the motive of the Fire Nation that wants ''an empire'' not to be the only one around.
** It should also be noted that when the Airbenders were killed, there was a different Fire Lord in charge at the time. We know Ozai prefers banishment and imprisonment to using the death penalty. However, who's to say that the Fire Lords before him felt the same way? They could have possibly been fine with killing other benders off instead of imprisoning them. Ozai wasn't, so the soldiers had to keep Earth benders and Water benders as prisoners while under his rule.
** The Fire Nation has always been big on "honor" and whatnot with agni kai duels and such so perhaps they find it dishonorable to kill helpless prisoners when it can be avoided.
*** I'd second the honor premise. Killing someone who surrenders would probably be considered dishonorable. The Air Nomads were likely wiped out because they were protective of the child avatar and would not surrender.
*** The Air Nomads were wiped out because the Fire Nation wanted to stop blank the Avatar cycle. With no Air Nation the Avatar can not be reborn and the cycle stops. This was not a problem with the other nations as it wasn't their turn. If the Avatar was to be for the Water Tribes then the Water Tribes would have been the ones eliminated and the Air Nomads still would be around, and son on. Not wanting to deliver a child doesn't make sense for a genocide of that escale as even assuming all 100% of Air Nomads nor even one was willing to do it, there was still children, infants, elderly and other civilians who were not in the fight, and also as actual ''nomads'' the Fire Lord had to literally hunt them down all over the world. Too much effort just to erradicate a people because they didn't wanted to give a kid. The genocide only makes sense if they wanted to stop the existence of an Avatar forever. (Of course it could be argue that they have no way to know if without the Air Nomads the Avatar would just jump to the next one but otherwise the plan makes no sense as the amount of effort and resources to eliminate an entire nation would not be justify if they thought that is just going to jump to the next one, they were convice that no more Avatar would ever appear afterwards).
*** Or rather, it might be considered dishonorable to have vast scales of people killed unless you're using the ultimate weapon ; Firebending powered by Sozin's Comet. This is how Firelord Sozin wiped-out all the airbenders, and Ozai intended to do with the Earth Kingdom.
** Earthbenders are useful for coal mining, which is used for the Fire Nation's steam engines. Waterbenders are useful for their healing power--given the otherwise realistic depiction of injuries, waterbending healing would be one of the only possible explanations for why Zuko still has two eyes. But Airbenders? They served no purpose for the Fire Nation, and furthermore, one among their number was the reincarnation of a man who ''threatened their lord and demanded their people leave the colonies that had been set up.'' Honor being what it is to the Fire Nation, Roku's humiliation of his Fire Lord and forcing him to bow to the will of another ''probably'' left a bitter taste in the Fire Nation's mouth, moreso because Roku was Fire Nation himself.

* Why does the Fire Nation ship at the South Pole have boobie traps? Did they just think "Oh, the Avatar might end up here one day and one of our ships might be close enough to see the trap if it sets off, so we'll just add those in!"
** To catch enemy spies who tried to sneak on the ship. The avatar just happens to be one of those enemies. The flare was to alert other ships in the battalion that one ship has been compromised.
*** I think you mean ships in the area. It didn't look like any ships were assigned to be there and stay there, so there wouldn't be any units there. Also, the correct term is squadron, not battalion, which is a term used exclusively for land-based units. Though you might see Task Force or Task Group when refering to modern navies, older naval organization put ships into squadrons.
** The ship may have gotten in the ice. At which point, they booby-trapped it so that no one could use it, and any attempts to do so would set off a signal for any Fire Nation ships in the area.
*** The audience actually ''saw'' the instance when the ship got stuck in the ice. It was in one of Hama's storytelling-flashbacks. We never saw any soldiers abandoning it, though admittedly we also didn't see any skeletons when Katara and Aang were exploring, which suggests it was abandoned at some point. Quite possibly they did booby-trap it then.
*** To add on to this, they may have wanted to prevent non-Fire Nation folks from sneaking on and obtain incriminating documents, weapons, or steal armor so they can disguise themselves as Fire Nation soldiers and infiltrate their army.
* The number of nations. There are stated to be 4 nations, yet we have seen two earth kings rule at the same time (the earth king in ba sing sei, and Bumi in Omashu). There are also two fire nations, one as the main enemies of the show, and the sunwarriors. The water tribe has been shown to not only have the distinction between northern and southern water tribe (which were probably united before the war, so you can chalk that up to general disbalance), but there was also the Foggy Swamp Tribe. That brings me to a total of 7 nations even before the war, which seems to kind of interfere with the whole 'four balanced nations, four balanced elements'.
** The United States of America is stated to be one country, yet we have fifty governors ruling at the same time (Bloomberg in New York, Schwarzennegger in California, etc.). Just because there are several rulers doesn't mean that there are several ''countries''. The Earth Kingdom is actually a confederacy of City-states that fall under the rule of Ba Sing Se and call themselves one nation. As to the others, it's an ethnic thing. The terminology used in the show is pretty mixed up. The "Nation" actually refers to Ethnicity in this case. The Water Tribesmen are all tan-to-dark-skinned with blue eyes, and so call themselves one Nation because of this. Same thing with the Fire Nation, who are mostly light-skinned (The darkest being Combustion Man, and even he was lighter than Katara), and have gold or red eyes. The Sun Warriors just fall under the banner of Fire Nation. The Air Nomads are the odd ones out, being a Religious Nation of some sort.
*** The USA still has a single head of state with a unique title, namely the president. The Earth kingdom has either two heads of state, or the head of state sharing a title.
*** That doesn't detract from my point at all. Their respective territories are called "cities", so the title is just that- a Title. Also note that Kuei is called the "Earth King" while Bumi is the "King of Omashu." Meanwhile, when the Fire Nation took over Omashu, Mai's father was appointed "Governor" because he's still a vassal (or whatever) of the Fire Lord.
*** It's entirely possible that by the time the series is set the cities have largely grown independent of Ba Sing Se and just keep the name 'Earth Kingdom' because of tradition. Considering that the leaders of Ba Sing Se seem content to remain behind a giant wall and wait for Fire Nation attacks it's hard to see how they would be able to keep the loyalty of Omashu.
*** It's not too much of a stretch to assume that, in this alternative universe full of so much of its own culture, that the notion and title of a "king" is a more general way of referring to someone governing any area.
** Maybe there were two nations per element, only that the Fire Nation wiped out the second Air nation in addition to the Air Nomads because they were trying to prevent the Avatar from showing up.
*** Perhaps the female Air Nomad temples could be considered a separate nation from the male Air Nomad temples?
** Kuei can easily be seen as the King of Kings. The Earth kingdom expands but leaves the cities to their own devices. King Bumi is king of Omashu but ultimately answers to Kuei.
** It is probably like Celtic/Early Medieval Ireland. There where five Kings but each owed (a very limited) loyalty to the High King who ruled the whole nation. In that case the Kings where very autonomous and had a lot of freedom but where ultimately vassals of the High King. Boomie is A King, but The Earth King is THE Earth King.
** In ancient times and even in the Middle Ages, the common setup among nations was one sovereign nation--we'll use Greece as an example--with various city-states within. In ancient Greece, most city-states had a certain degree of autonomy, depending on the era. They considered themselves distinctively Greek (for the most part), but different cities and areas were decidedly self-governed. Even though Greece was considered one nation, it had multiple kings, governors, lords, etc. Even when Greece came under the control of conquerors and emperors, the city-states were allowed to maintain some autonomy. The Earth Kingdom probably works in a very similar manner, with Omashu being a self-governing city-state largely independent of the influence of Ba Sing Se--itself a city-state. Thus King Bumi is still very much a king, and whether or not he is as powerful as Kuei (or Long Feng, if you prefer) or if he is a lesser monarch is up for debate.
** First of all, this isn't ASOIAF or whatnot. It was intended as a kid's show, so I don't think the creators thought too much about this issue (if glaring). The Earth Kingdom is similar to the Holy Roman Empire of Germany. It's a collection of autonomous states that just so happen to 'serve' under the Emperor (Earth King). It's a Kingdom only in name. It seems from the Wiki that the idea of Four Nations was very new (only c.500 years old).
*** "It was intended as a kid's show, so I don't think the creators thought too much about this issue" ... Did you not watch the show? The creators clearly paid a ''lot'' of attention to exactly this sort of thing.
*** Cite, instead of making low blows, this isn't a forum where you can expect frequent updates so please make a full rounded rebuttal. For that matter, I don't know if you watched the same show I watched, for what I watched most certainly not a documentary of Earth Kingdom political structure. They gave us a typical barebone fantasy geopolitical system, and that was it in the show. (Granted, I do not listen to the creator commentaries, if that's what your going at)
*** There isn't much to cite--the whole show shows such attention to detail on every other subject that "this is a kid's show, they just didn't care" simply is not an available explanation. It's not a "documentary," no, but it's very clear that the worldbuilding was extensive and well-researched.
** The Earth Kingdom is most closely based on Imperial China, and they had client states with their own client kings on their periphery. This is pretty standard for ancient empires, actually, since it takes far less resources and effort to just lean on neighbouring polities with your influence than to conquer them by force. You let small kingdoms keep their independence on internal affairs and their customs and titles, as long as they swear fealty to you and pay tribute. This is probably the original relationship of Ba Sing Se and the rest of the Earth Kingdom, but in the present day of the show the Impenetrable City has shut away the outside world and lost interest in governing territories outside its walls, leaving all the polities it used to control to practical independence -- again, something similar happened with the Imperial China in its last days.
** Is China and Taiwan one nation or two? And is Tibet part of the nation known as China or is a different nation? The problem is that we in the West tend to think in nations as synonymous of state (government) or country, but in the East (and the show is strongly Influenced by Eastern culture) nation is more an ethnic term, as for example a Tamil in India may feel that he is part of the Tamil Nation, thus feeling closer to the Tamils in Sri Lanka than to non-Tamil Indians, a Tibetan in Northern India probably feel closer to a Tibetan in Tibet and part of the same nation even when they live in different countries/states and are citizens of different governments. Just make the same analogy to ATLA's world.
** The problem is to think: Nation equals State (as in country) when is more like Nation equals People. That’s why in real life some people refer to Native Americans as First Nations (especially in Canada) or use terms like Apache nation and Navajo nation. The UK has one single government but encompass four nations; England, Scotland, Wales and (well part of the nation of Ireland) Northern Ireland. The USA have sovereign Indian tribes that are define as nations inside its territory, China officially recognizes 18 different nationalities. So you get my idea. \\\
Also the opposite may apply, Pan-Arabism for example consider all Arabs members of one single nation, yet divided among like 12 independent states. The Umma is sometimes call the Muslim nation and is a similar case as the aforementioned. Jews consider themselves one single people, yet they only have one independent State, but very numerous communities around the world. In A:TLA’s world there are only four nations (or races or peoples, as you wish) define by their element, yet nation and government are rarely the same, as in our world.
** For a simpler answer, King Bumi only rules over Omashu, since it's mentioned as being one of the larger cities in the Earth Kingdom, but it's still just a city. The Earth King, comparatively, rules over the entirety of the Earth Kingdom, from his seat of power in Ba Sing Se. As the OP mentions, the three different Water Tribes were originally just one water tribe living at the north pole before they split off, and the Air nomads are...well, nomads, so they wouldn't necessarily constitute a "nation."
** Also the four nations can be seen really as four races, in a similar way how the classic, now obsolete, classification of humans was into White, Black, Yellow and Red, but each have lots of different subdisions of nations, peoples, tribes and clans. Nowdays the division is more scientific but is still only of three main branches of humanity; Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid. Another example is Huntington's famous book ''Clash of Civilizations'' that divides the world in seven main civilizations (Western, Orthodox, Islamic, Buddhist, etc) but each is further divided in countries and regions.

* Where do baby air nomads come from? You have the temples separated by gender, and if these are like temples in most traditions, the nuns and monks are celibate. Do they go around abducting children? Occasionally meet for wild sex parties? What?! Where do the baby Air Nomads come from?! -sob-
** I saw mentioned on another page that only young and elder air nomads stay at the temples and the rest travel between them. It's quite possible that air nomad romances happened on these travels.
** It's also possible that only the ''benders'' become nuns/monks and live in the temples. Katara's living proof that a bender can be born of two non-bender parents. So perhaps the non-bending population of the Air Nomads sent their bending-capable children to the temples to be raised by the monks/nuns. Sort of like Jedi- ''they're'' celibate, and get little Jedi from the general population of the galaxy.
*** WordOfGod is that there ''aren't'' any non-bending Air Nomads.
*** Correct. There were no non-bending Air people, they were all airbenders and monks. And although they didn't raise their children in nuclear family structures, they're not celibate.
*** Yes, all Air Nomads are benders. But that does not mean that they do not pool from villages around the air temples to get new nomads. Maybe that is why they are nomads. They travel from temple to temple gathering new benders from vollages along the way.
** [[http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs26/i/2008/245/c/8/Gyatso_Explains_It_All_by_Booter_Freak.png The correct answer is wild sex party.]] Also known as [[Franchise/StarTrek Pon Farr]]

* So, if most of the Air Nomads are, well ''nomadic'', then how was the Fire Nation able to kill ALL of them in a single series of attacks? Was every single Air Nomad AT HOME at the time? Did nobody run away (remember, they're the only one's that could FLY)? Even the women, in charge of the children just sat around to get slaughtered. Yet, despite being scattered around the entire planet, only a SINGLE airbender survives. Heck, the same thing happens in DBZ with the Saiyans. Maybe it should be a trope (Nomadic Race Dies To Single Attack).
** I really don't think that all the airbenders died on the day of Sozin's Comet. I just assume that anyone who wasn't at the temples on the day of the comet went there eventually, at which point there was a group of firebenders stationed there to mop them up.
*** The nation was stated as highly spiritual. It probably isn't too much of a stretch that there is a spirit associated with the comet and the airbenders all gathered in the temples in recognition to this spirit.
*** The way I see it, the airbenders aren't all dead, the survivors simply integrated into either the Fire or Earth Nations. The Guru Pathik? An Air Nomad in all but name. He may have only been a "Spiritual Brother" to the airbenders since he cannot bend. Ty Lee? An incredibly spiritual person who looks much more like an Air Nomad than a Fire Nation girl (her hair and eye color is a match to the Air Nomads). At the very least she is be of mixed heritage. The Air Nomads as a society are gone, but a few individuals sill remain.
*** I, too, always thought Ty Lee must be connected to the Air Nomads. Her eyes are even ''shaped'' similarly to Aang's. I also saw a fic once (the title escapes me) where Aang figured out that Ty Lee ''was'' an airbender--how else could she do the sort of acrobatics she does?
*** It is called "Behind Grey Eyes" and can be found [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6221323/1/Behind-Gray-Eyes here]]
*** The name 'Nomad' doesn't seem to actually mean much considering the fact that these people were living in four large temples. As for integration...nothing in canon to suggest that and it would be incredibly strange for the Fire Nation to take in the people they were trying to annihilate.
*** You seem to be forgetting, for example, how Aang, at 12, seems to know a lot about the different customs and attractions of his world, and has friends in all three of the other nations. You know, like someone would if they ''did a lot of traveling''.\\\
As for the integration, I doubt any surviving Air Nomads ''said'' they were Air Nomads. If you've just barely escaped an attempt at genocide, you wouldn't tell anyone who you really were, now would you?
** A comic in The Lost Adventures says that Fire Nation soldiers took relics from the temples and plant them in towns in such a way as to give the impression to airbenders that another refugee airbender was hiding nearby. When they arrived at the supposed Air Nomad hiding spot though they would by ambushed by Fire Nation soldiers and killed.
*** Seeing as no airbenders showed up to the Avatar during the duration of the show, I think we can safely say they have either been completely assimilated (with no Airbending inheritance and no knowledge of their lineage) or completely wiped out.It's been suggested before that the Airbenders Genocide was not only participated by the Fire Nation but also by the Earth Kingdoms and the Water Tribes. Think about it: It's very likely that a Airbender could just hole up in the major EK cities like Omashu and Ba Sing Se, where the Fire Nation never reached. The only way for the Airbenders to have been so assimilated or exterminated is if they found no refuge in the Earth Kingdoms or the Water Tribes.
*** How was that suggested and by whom?
* Assuming the monks/nuns aren't celibate, wouldn't gender separated air temples encourage homosexuality?
** Even if it did the Air Nomads wouldn't care, the comics have established they saw no difference between types of love and relationships.
** WordOfGod is that Air Monks/Nuns don't [need to] take celibacy vows. Beyond that, in the Western Air Temple flashbacks, there's only a few guys that are Young adults or Middle-aged. Everyone else is either early childhood to Adolescent, or Old/Ancient. They wouldn't be so concerned about romance. Also, Aang was at the Eastern Air Temple when he met Appa. The monks/nuns visit each other from time to time, and may or may not have been having a wild sex party while the kids were off frolicking with their new bison.
* The Southern Water Tribe is ''crushingly'' poor. They have almost nothing beyond the tools, weapons and clothes needed to survive in their very hostile environment. The Northern Tribe is wealthier, but they still don't really seem to have all that much, not counting their city, which was clearly created by waterbending. And Foggy Swamp? Gah! They're even poorer than the Southern Water Tribe! So, why are the three Water Tribes so poor when they live in what should, by rights, be immensely resource-rich areas for people who can reach those resources? The Northern Water Tribe has access to extremely fertile fisheries, the Foggy Swamp ought to be thick with source plants for medicines and other pharmaceuticals, and that's just off the top of my head. Granted, the Southern Tribe is probably so poor owing to no longer having waterbenders, but that doesn't explain the other two.
** Don't forget the involvement of the Fire Nation. The Southern Water Tribe was largely depleted from repeated Fire Nation attacks, and the Northern Water Tribe has been attacked repeatedly, specifying that they have withstood the Fire Nation for nearly a century (and despite that, looks pretty well off). The Foggy Swamp Tribe looks to be very small, so they likely don't have the manpower to fully exploit it, and their culture seems pretty laid back anyways.
** All three tribes are fairly insular and isolated. The Southern Tribes seem to be pretty far away from other civilizations to the point where they likely don't regularly trade with outsiders, and they also seem fairly scattered and disorganized. The Northern Tribe seems like it does engage in more regular trade. The Foggy Swamp seems extremely insular and likely doesn't engage in regular trade at all because they simply prefer to stay out of contact with everyone else. And don't forget that all of the above is after engaging in a century of constant war with Fire Nation raiders.
** You could say the same for their real world counter part the Native American. They thrived in a bountiful land, but relative to the rest of the world are living in worse conditions and were ''crushingly'' poor. Realistically there are many reasons why they aren't profiting from they're land in that way. Such as isolation, slower technological advancement, and perhaps even not grasping and/or rejecting the concept of using the land for profit. They may have simply decided that they like where they were and felt their quality of life was satisfactory. But that's just realistically.
** The Southern Water Tribe and Foggy Swamp Tribe both seem to be relatively recently founded, which is why they're both so scattered and such. As for the northern tribe...I'm not seeing what you mean by "they don't have much, not counting their city" - what else are you expecting to see? Having a full-fledged city is nothing to scoff at, and they've managed to remain completely safe from the Fire Nation for the past 100 years, a feat even the Earth Kingdom couldn't pull off - Iroh managed to break down the outer wall of Bah Sing Se and only gave up the siege after his son died. We also never see any hints that the northern tribe is struggling to get by or anything, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they're poor.

* People from different nations have different eye colors (Gray, green, amber, blue). So how are people of one nationality able to pass themselves as another (like the Gaang throughout the third season, or Zuko and Iroh in Ba Sing Se, or Hama)?
** Presumably the eye thing isn't universal. There's probably been just enough interbreeding between the nations that there's at least some plausibility that different eye color variants can be found in a given nation.
** Aang, Katara, Sokka and Toph told people they were from the Fire Nation colonies. As for Iroh and Zuko, there were lots of refugees because of the war, so even if people could tell that Zuko and Iroh were from the Fire Nation, they were probably assumed to be political refugees. And Hama certainly falls under {{Rule of Scary}}.
*** Hama's eyes are grey, not blue like typical Water Tribe inhabitants. There seem to be grey-eyed people in all of the four nations — Aang, Ty Lee, Hama, and Toph (though hers are more grey-green), so it wouldn't be suspicious.
*** Toph's "gray" eyes always looked more like cataracts to this troper, since you can see the green underneath them. Either way, though, the Gaang were passing themselves off as "from the Earth Nation colonies," and since Toph is, well, actually from the Earth Kingdom, she could do this the most convincingly, "proper" eye color or not.
** Also, remember Roku's wife? She had pretty gray eyes, not amber. There must be occasional exceptions to this eye-color thing. Or, maybe the colors mentioned above are just the most common color of that nation, not the only color. Mixed ancestry, like a Fire Nation ancestor in a mostly Earth Kingdom family is also a factor. There is always the chance that one child can have amber eyes so long as the Fire Nation gene remains.
** To be honest, is harder to explain why Katara and Soka's skin color is never notice.
*** During his time at a Fire Nation school, Aang befriends a boy whose skin stone is similar to theirs. It stands to reason that it's not exclusive to Water Tribesmen.
* On the topic of eye color, how is it that, in a nation consistently surrounded by the world's worst snow glare, the dominant brown eye trait managed to get bred out of the Water Tribe completely, leaving only the extremely vulnerable blue eye trait? Following that, how is it every Water Tribe person over the age of 40 isn't blind or very near to it? Pakku is close to 80 and seems to have perfect vision.
** I always assumed this was ArtisticLicenseBiology for the sake of ElementalEyeColors. While Arctic people in real life have brown eyes, no Water people in ''Avatar'' have them. All of them have blue eyes because WaterIsBlue rather than scientific reasons, I guess. Likewise, the Earth kingdom is populated by East Asians with bright green eyes (not as egregious but still unusual), and the Fire nation people have yellow eyes. I don't know anyone with yellow eyes...
*** This is a world where some people are able to interact with their environment in ways that are absolutely impossible in RealLife and even Aang isn't [[WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice the motherfucking Emperor]]. Could be that the Water Tribe blue eyes are not like ''RealLife'' blue eyes at all and offer (near-)complete protection from snow glare. Not only don't we see any of them blinded by it, there is never any complaint made against it and no attempt to avoid it ''at all''.
* Does no one in the Fire Nation know what their prince looks like? Even when Zuko is in his ninja mode, his scar isn't covered.
** Remember that the Lieutenant of their ship didn't even know how Zuko got the scar in "The Storm." This shows that the general populace probably didn't know the faces of most of the royalty. So Zuko and Azula are probably only really recognized by a handful of people, mostly the elite of the Fire Nation, so they could go around the general populace unnoticed.
*** The "most important teenagers" in the Fire Nation (who were blissfully unaware that they were, at that moment, ''speaking'' to the actual most important teenagers in the Fire Nation, of course) evidently didn't know what Zuko looks like--and Chan's dad is an admiral! Which brings up another strange point: Azula had two best friends with, ostensibly, fathers in high positions--why didn't Zuko?
*** The "most important teenagers" probably just didn't give a crap about the Fire Nation royalty; they seemed the type to be more interested in having a good time. Also, as to Zuko and friends, I always assumed he just...never got out much. More of an introvert. He never seemed to be able to communicate well with people he didn't know already. Well, without yelling a lot. Or sounding melo-dramatic.
** That makes sense. The only time we see ordinary citizens refer to Zuko's scar is in "The Ember Island Players," and that only came from people who did extensive research about the people involved in Aang's journey--and they still got the scar on the wrong side!
** Not to mention, in a nation with a large population of living flamethrowers with short fuses, burn scars might be more common than you'd think.
* In the flashback during The Southern Raiders, Yon Rha tells Kya that his source claims there is one waterbender left in the Southern Tribe. Now, the tribe has already shrunk in population thanks to previous raids and is hardly in the most accessible of places. Anyone knowing there's a waterbender left had to have either seen Katara or heard about her. So, in this small, isolated village with only a young novice waterbender to attract a raid, ''who'' was Yon Rha's source?
** Outsider traders, or even prisoners taken in the Fire Nation's raids. There are probably also other tribes scattered around the South Pole as well. Any of them could have let that fact slip.
*** *face-palm* Of course. Silly question. That's what you get for speculating at 1 am and deciding to make an entry. Raids are less likely if it'd been years since the last one (Katara was only eight?), but the chance of traders and other villages selling her and Hakoda's village out is a no-brainer.
** I always imagined that a previously-captured waterbender was the "source", and was tortured or something into saying.
** It is possible that the source was a trader or other such visitor who developed some sort of grudge against the Southern Water Tribe in particular and his information was correct only by accident. As Yon Rha doesn't bother to ask Kya to prove that she can waterbend, this would result merely in a terrifying raid, a bit of destruction, and some random person dying (at best). Good revenge if you really wanted to hurt a people.
* Not only eye-color, but also hair-color seems rather limited in the ATLA world. Bumi is shown to be ginger in a flashback, but apart from that, there isn't much representation of fair- or ginger-haired people.
** ....and? Humans in the setting are genetically predisposed to dark hair. I fail to see an issue with this.
** Exactly, what's this person's point? Caucasian people don't exist in the Avatar world.
** I think this person means, why does Bumi have a different hair color than the ''entire rest of his country''? Yeah, red hair especially is uncommon, but it's still a little jarring that he's the ''only'' non-dark-haired person we see. If "Caucasians" don't exist in Avatar-verse, where did Bumi even get his hair from?
** Red hair in non-Europeans is rare but caused by a different gene. Suki has auburn hair, so Bumi isn't alone, but it is shown much less than it probably should. What's most perplexing about hair/eye color to me is that the polar Water Tribes have dark skin (the darkest we see) but the Foggy Swamp Tribe has European color and appearance, unlike our world where dark skin is favored in the tropics and fair skin near the poles. The darkest people also have the only blue eyes, which is very uncommon in reality. Clearly, the Avatar-verse has different rules for genetics.
*** The tropics/poles thing isn't true to begin with; nearly all indigenous circumpolar peoples are dark-skinned.
* When the Gaang gets to Ba Sing Sei and are taken on the tour of the city, they notice that the rings are divided by class. Aang comments that this is why he never liked to travel there before, because it's so different from the way the monks taught him to live. But...didn't the monks separate everyone by gender? How is that different? And if it is different, why did Aang think his way was better?
** That's separating people by gender--not separating them by social class or economic level, and the Air Nomads didn't have barriers to prevent other members of their own nation from shifting location. Besides that, it's been pointed out many times higher up on this page that the only people you ever see at the Air Temples are young children and [[OldMaster Old Masters]]. Presumably they weren't separated for ''life'', unlike the people in Ba Sing Se. Everyone in the Air Nomads was probably in the same income bracket in the first place, and they probably all stayed there, as the point seemed to be to detach themselves from worldly possessions. They would never have discriminated against or segregated people on the basis of how much gold they have or had. It's only temporary, and (apparently) related to training and religion rather than controlling other people. While they may not seem different at the surface, the two concepts are really very different.
** As for why Aang considered ‘his way’ to be better, he probably thought that because... well, I hesitate to say that it is, as that's largely a matter of opinion and will probably vary depending on your personal and political beliefs in reality. Segregation because of social class is not generally considered a nice thing, in the twenty-first century or, evidently, in Air Nomad culture. By separating people based on how much money they make and essentially hiding the lower classes from the nobility (as ultimately shown with Earth King Kuei, who has literally ''no idea'' what’s going on in the world beyond the walls of his palace), the upper classes are essentially ignoring an important issue and by extension making it worse by not allowing room for the peons on the Lower Ring to move up in society. Aang is the [[TheChosenOne Avatar]]—he pretty much ''exists'' to combat unfair treatment and stagnant cultures like the one in '''Ba Sing Se.'''
*** Iroh and Zuko were able to move up in society, though. When the higher-ups tasted Iroh's tea they offered him his own tea shop and an apartment in the upper ring. That's how it works in the real world, too; a lot of nice positions are largely based on meeting the right people. One could assume that if everyone else worked just as hard in their profession they would be able to move up, so your point about the upper class people keeping the poor people sequestered away falls kind of flat.
*** How many people in RealLife actually ''make'' the move from RagsToRiches, though?
*** A person could work hard all their life and never get anywhere, ''particularly'' in Ba Sing Se where the "right people" have little reason to drop by your part of town (or vice versa) and thus deem your remarkable talent worthy of throwing money at you. Iroh's route wouldn't work for everyone - it seems unlikely to happen to, say, a cabbage merchant.
*** [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra It's funny you should say that.]]
* The name Toph doesn't seem to fit with any of the cultures in the series. The "ph" blend is derived from the Greek letter "phi," but we don't see any culture based off a Greek or Western culture, with the possible exception of the Foggy Swamp.
** Not sure about the name itself but, assuming you're refering to how 'Toph' is spelled, spelling has absolutely nothing to do with the name's source. We're using a latin alphabet. The characters in the show aren't. They use Chinese and possibly Japanese caligraphy. That's what Toph would use for her name. A translation Latin characters could just as easily render her name "Tof".
** According to Wikipedia, on her passport, her name is written as 北方拓芙 (''běi fāng tuò fú'').
* The tradition of not teaching women waterbending in the Northern Water Tribe makes no sense. Who was the first Waterbender? The moon. What gender is the moon spirit? Female. Seems like they just came up with the idea so that they could have an excuse for Katara to act all high and mighty...
** It's not that they don't teach women waterbending. It's that they don't teach women ''combat'' waterbending. What do you think the healers Katara was sent to work with used, happy thoughts? Also, until Yue does her sacrifice, the moon spirit is a fish, not a humanoid female.
** Interestingly enough the official policy of the Northern Water Tribe at the time echoes the noticeable absence of named women benders (or at least those trained in combat) in the series. Aside from Avatars Yangchen and Kyoshi, there is only one female airbender shown and named (Sister Liu from Appa's flashback), two female earth benders (Toph and Oma), and Azula was noticeably the first and (up until the middle of the third season) only female firebender. There were no female Earthbenders shown either the Earth Kingdom armies or the Dai Li, and the Fire Nation's only confirmed female soldiers served either in prisons or in law enforcement, as opposed to taking part in any major foreign campaigns or occupations (however, since many soldiers wore masks as a part of their uniform, it would be difficult to ascertain their gender from a glance). The Foggy Swamp Tribe seemed to be the only tribe that had women benders fight alongside male benders. While Katara was right to point out that she should be able to learn how to fight with Waterbending if she wanted to, the baffling expectation throughout much of the world at that time seemed to be that women were expected not to fight, even if they were benders in a time of war. The fact that almost all of the aforementioned female benders were easily equaled or surpassed their male peers are a strong indication that this exception is not grounded in any concrete fact.
* How did the Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom manage to fight each other for a hundred years? You would think attrition would wear them down to the point that one or the other has to give up. After all, men who are off fighting a war aren't home begetting children, and the mass casualties deplete a large number of men. You'd think they'd have trouble fielding an army, even an army of conscripts, after forty or fifty years. Yet not only are they still fighting, but the Fire Nation can still afford to sacrifice its troops cavalierly.
** My personal theory on this was that the Fire Nation was ''severely'' overpopulated at the start of the war, so they could absorb fairly nasty casualties with minimal impact on their economy. This would also give another reason why Sozin started the colonies: He needed more land to feed and house all his people.
** Also, I don't think the Fire Nation was fighting the entire Earth Kingdom at any given time. Probably Sozin invaded the Southern Kingdoms first, and during the opening years of the war Omashu, Ba Sing Se, and the other northern kingdoms were barely involved.
** Europe had something called "The Hundred Years War". Perhaps the avatar war wasn't one of constant battle, it was one where there were surges and temporary respites. We just so happened to see the show in one of the surge eras.
*** Hell, Europe had ''two'' Hundred Years War, both fought between the same kingdoms (England and France). So it's not at all impossible for both to still be at it after 100 years and it's even possible that 50 years or so after the end they go back to war for a long time.
* In the episode where Katara and Toph were locked in a wooden cage, why were they locked in a wooden cage? This takes place in the Fire Nation where the likely prisoners would be Fire Nation citizens. I know it's likely most fire benders were out fighting the war but it still seems stupid to build a cage out of wood when you know there are people in your country who can produce fire at will. The only thing I can think of is that Combustion Man organized the whole thing somehow or the Fire Nation isn't as rich as it seems and they can't actually afford the metal to build a proper cell.
** Yes, Combustion Man arranging it (probably after seeing and recognizing the face of 'The Runaway' on the wanted poster) is the implication here.
** Maybe it was just built out of wood because they couldn't get any metal to built the bars from. They probably used all of it to build that Ozai statue outside.
* Okay, so how are Avatars from the Earth Kingdom found. The Earth Kingdom is a HUGE nation. It's the biggest of them all and according to WordOfGod it has the biggest population. When the Avatar is reincarnated into the EK he/she must be very difficult to find! They can't use the Air Nomad method because it would be very unrealistic to bring every Earthbender baby to pick from 1,000 toys and the Order of the White Lotus cannot just go searching every single nook and cranny of the EK to investigate every single claim they hear. That would take forever.
** Seeing as it's customary for the Avatar's identity to be revealed when they reach sixteen, it may be a daunting task to find them, but whoever administers the search has plenty of time. And if it came to it, Raava or one of the previous Avatars could always bring out another type of bending or the Avatar State to speed the search along.
* In ''The Southern Air Temple'', Aang refuses to believe that the Fire Nation could've killed all the Air Nomads, because the Air Temples can only be reached by flying bisons. Then they go the Southern Temple, and find bodies of Fire Nation soldiers, proving that the Fire Nation did indeed get there. But the problem is that Aang's initial reasoning is still correct: the Fire Nation soldiers shouldn't have been able to reach the Temple. They didn't have airships yet, and all the dragons were extinct, or at least hidden from the Fire Nation. So how did the Fire Nation attack the Temples?
** Dragons weren't extinct until some time well after Aang was frozen; Aang "knows" they're still around when he wakes up; and Aang was frozen very shortly before the Fire Nation attacked. Also, Sozin's Comet beefed up all firebenders, and we're shown multiple times in both series that firebenders can make themselves into rockets with their bending, even more so with the comet.
* Regarding the Northern Water Tribe's opposition to teaching women non-healing waterbending, was it that only men are allowed to learn combat waterbending ''and'' only women are allowed to learn healing, thereby imposing strict gender roles on both, or was it just women who aren't allowed to learn everything? I don't think we ever saw a single male healer anywhere, much less from the north, but was there any WordOfGod on this?
** Men are probably ''allowed'' to learn healing, but since it's considered a "womanly" thing, most probably opt not to. While they likely weren't technically BANNED from it, it was in all likelihood discouraged.
*** I have to heartily disagree. It seems much more likely for a ban going both ways. Otherwise Katara would have had a ready-made argument for being taught that she could have used without truly insulting anyone. I think Katara would be smart enough to pick up on such a double standard and at least try to argue from that standpoint regardless of whether it would be successful or not. Even if she is a bit hotheaded, Katara has Aang, who would have gladly made a similar argument in her stead if she, for whatever reason, didn't want to make the argument herself.
* Why do some people insist that the Fire Nation is ''aesthetically'' Japanese?
** Because it has a lot of design and visuals that are clearly and in some cases explicitly taken from Japanese art and culture.
** The designs are [[http://atla-annotated.tumblr.com/tagged/The-Fire-Nation-is-not-Japan actually closer to Chinese and Thai if anything]].
** There's a case to be made that the Fire Nation is also partly inspired by Japan; both mainlands are archipelagos, and both have a history of rapid industrial and military growth, after which they waged war on other Asian countries. They both also hold a very high sense of honor.
** I wondered that too. The only thing that I would consider to be blantantly Japanese about FN is Iroh's armor.
* Doesn't the Fire Nation have a KGB-like organization whose job is to ensure the loyalty of citizens (in this matter, rebel hunting), much like how Star Wars had COMPNOR or the Imperial Security Beureau? If they did, shouldn't they be the ones Team Avatar has to contend with?
** The Fire Nations citizens are all pretty much onboard with the nations goals and always have been. Between the fairly reasonable goals given for beginning the war plus a century of propaganda the Fire Nation isn't divided on the subject.
* If the Fire Nation knows that the Avatar, once killed, is always reborn into the next nation in the cycle, then why did they kill all the Air nomads in the first place? And why are they still expecting the Avatar to be a 100-year-old airbender? Shouldn't there have come a point where they started looking for an earthbender instead?
** 1: They might have been intending to break the reincarnation cycle for good in the long term and keep the Avatar from being of a competent age for a few decades in the short term. 2: They're still suspecting it's an airbender because there hadn't been so much as a single substantiated sighting of the avatar in over 100 years, even during the years when the "new avatar" would've been a child, meaning that the only explanation is that the avatar escaped and has lived to a ripe old age.
* Is it customary for females to still be referred to as "Fire Lord," instead of a gender-based equivalent?
** Yes, Fire Lord is the title no matter who holds it.
* Are the Sun Warriors Aang and Zuko meet in season 3 directly related to the original Sun Warriors, or are they more akin to the Air Acolytes - regular people who took interest in replicating and maintaining the Sun Warrior ways of life?
** They ''are'' the original Sun Warriors; the same tribe, anyway. The episode doesn't imply anything otherwise.
* With bending being a thing and all, why was it that the system of gender roles used by the Northern Water Tribe ever became a thing? As a comparison, the ''Fantastic Beasts'' films sought to give the magical community in 1920s America a female president - unheard of at the time - because the existence of magic meant that unlike in the real world, there were no roadblocks keeping a woman from doing the same things a man could do. Unless the Water tribesmen think that a woman's bending is somehow weaker than a man's, wouldn't the same logic apply to them?
** Sexism. You'll notice that Pakku never suggests that Katara would be incompetent or unable to learn combat waterbending, just that he won't teach her because of the rules. Sokka also developed similar views of gender roles before the series started. Somewhere in their history the water tribes simply established gender roles and it's just stuck die to traditions. Although in Sokka's case it seems to have been an assumption based on what he observed rather than something he was taught.
* Why didn't the water tribes get mentioned more in series 3? Between Crossroads of Destiny and the Day of Black Sun most of the fire nation believed that Aang was dead, so why is it that none of the fire nation scenes suggest that they were considering the fact that the next avatar would be born into one of the water tribes, which was the reason for the Air Nomad massacre 100 years prior. Not only that, none of the Gaang made any reference to the possibility of the fire nation thinking this.
** Azula “killed” Aang while he was in the Avatar State, remember? If you get killed in the Avatar State, the Avatar Cycle ceases to continue. They don’t mention the search for the next Avatar because they probably don’t expect that there’s going to be another one.
** The fact the Avatar cycle ends if you're killed in the Avatar State doesn't seem to be common knowledge, in fact it's implied to be a secret only the Avatars know, passed on to the current incarnation by the previous one. Which makes sense, because the Avatar wouldn't want to reveal their greatest vulnerability... So how would the Fire Nation know about it?
** The sequel series tells us there's an offshoot of the Order of the White Lotus who is aware of the weakness; they try to force Korra into the Avatar State before killing her so that they can plunge the world into anarchy. If they know about it, there could well be others who could've spilled the beans to Ozai or someone serving under him. It may not be common knowledge, but it's not something only the Avatar is in on.
* So what happens if the avatar is born into the Foggy Swamp Tribe or the Sun Warriors? I mean they’re pretty secluded, what would their methods be to tell?
** They don't have a way to tell, but the child would still be able to bend all four elements and would likely stumble upon a second one eventually and realise they have to leave. Or they might make contact with one of their past lives eventually.
** The Sun Warriors probably know about the Avatar already (especially after ‘’The Legend of Korra’’ revealed that it was the first Avatar who invented the Dancing Dragon), and it’s implied they were only in hiding during the first series because the Fire Nation in its current state is actively trying to destroy their firebending philosophy. I’m guessing they’d become less secretive after Zuko took the throne, also considering his dragon mount is said to be the spawn of the Masters Ran and Shaw. And there was at least one member of the Foggy Swamp tribe who knew who the Avatar was, on top of the swamp itself being a very spiritual place. Not to mention, we don’t know how secluded they really are either.

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* The [[folder: Air Nomads are one of the four nations, but as the name implies they're nomads yet they have four huge temples filled with monks who raise the young, practice air bending, meditate and do other other religious things which must eat up a lot of time. Nomads]]

!!Nomad resources
Where do they get food (if we're going by Aang a lot of them are vegetarians), clothes (which are produced after their fashions), materials for the gliders, scrolls, and all the other things we've seen them have. have? Can you be nomads and still get from live off the land enough for you to survive plus support the temples (as ''nomad'') implies and maybe trade for things...might point being, where do those monks get all those wonderful toys?
** I assume they use
of those?
* Their clothes probably come from
the wool of the sky bison to make their clothes. Lots of giant furry animals who shed a LOT? Couldn't be a better friendly natural resource to build a textile industry on.
**
Sky Bison. Aang mentioned that he traveled a lot in his youth (enough to have friends in both the Earth and Fire nations). I'm guessing nations) so it's likely they rotate their duties, did a lot of trading to get them.
* 'Nomad' might also be an ArtifactTitle. The temples do seem to indicate at least
some farm, some make clothes, some raise children, and some go out to travel.
** Also, it is never really stated that "nomads" is more than just a name. Perhaps they used to be nomadic but
of them have settled down into temple life.settled. Or perhaps the air bison herders are the "nomads" but their support network remains stationary.


!!Babies
Where do baby Air Nomads come from? You have the temples separated by gender, and if these are like temples in most traditions, the nuns and monks are celibate.
* Only young and elder Nomads stay at the temples and the rest travel between them - again, Aang did mention he traveled a lot. It's quite possible that air nomad romances happened on these travels.


!!How did a bunch of nomads all die?
So, if most of the Air Nomads are, well ''nomadic'', then how was the Fire Nation able to kill ALL of them in a single series of attacks?
* It's not that difficult to post a few firebenders at the temples to mop up any survivors when they returned.
* WMG: Some ''did'' survive, but hid their airbending capabilities and blended into other societies.

*** I simply assumed that they are nomads The Guru Pathik is an Air Nomad except he cannot bend; maybe one of his ancestors was a true Airbender. Same goes for Ty Lee, an incredibly spiritual person who have looks much more like an Air Nomad than a set of permanent settlements, Fire Nation girl (her hair and they are constantly on the move between them. Many real-life nomadic peoples had cities for the sake of trading; they just didn't live in them the whole year. This is conjecture, but I think that eye color matches the Air Nomads travel between Nomads)
* The name 'Nomad' doesn't seem to actually mean much considering
the fact that these people were living in four Air Temples, staying a couple of months in each before moving to another. Children and old monks are the exception; the latter stay put to educate the former until they are old enough to Airbend reliably and join the bulk of the nomadic population. This would also explain why we never see Air Nomads who are neither children nor monks in Aang's flashbacks.large temples.
** In [=LoK=] we see Tenzin's Air Temple Island has numerous non-benders in Air Nomad clothing. Presumably there were air-nomad civillians and what have you who did the grunt work.
*** Those are the Air Acolytes, a group of people that want to learn and preserve the culture of the Airbenders. They aren't actually air-nomads nor are they descendants. It's been stated that every air nomad was a bender due to their high level of spirituality.
* How did the Southern water tribe dye their clothes blue? No doubt they were made from otter-seal skin which is shown to be brown. And the South Pole is not exactly a plant-friendly environment...I'll just assume the Northern Water Tribe trades with the Earth Kingdom, but the Southern Tribe is shown to be tiny and isolated. On another note, I have never heard international trade being mentioned on Avatar except once, and that was a lie.
** A couple of things to note: The Southern Water Tribe isn't as small as the show makes it out to be. The comics reveal that Katara and Sokka's village is apparently one of many, and there was supposedly even a city that was destroyed by the Fire Nation. Also, there are plants in the show's South Pole (mostly short polar conifers), something again seen in the comics. It's possible that a lot of the trade and usage of dye is affected by these factors.
** Well, with all the weird wildlife in the ATLA world, maybe there's some kind of animal at the poles that makes ink. I don't know if real ink-making animals make really dark blue ink or black ink, but this is ATLA, so it's possible.
*** A Sealsquid or Whalerus would be a likely candidate for either blue dye or natural blue leather.
** Squid in RealLife make really dark ink. Maybe their [Insert Animal]-Squids just have really dark blue/purple ink that the Water Tribes just dilute to make different shades. Makes as much sense as, say, a Giant eyeless Mole thing that literally sees through smell.
** The Gaang meets an Earth Kingdom merchant who recognizes and readily accepts their Water Tribe currency, so clearly there is international trade.
** Tyrian purple dye used to be harvested from mollusks, so there is real-world precedent for strange, seemingly unnatural colors coming from sea life.

* Why does the fire Nation keep waterbending prisoners? They go to ridiculous lengths to keep them from waterbending and even then they run the risk of using other bodily fluids to escape. Why don't they just kill them?
** As an addendum to the above, why do they keep Earthbender prisoners either? They don't do anything with them and it's inconsistent with previous behavior. They sure didn't take any airbender prisoner.
*** Um, hostages. And maybe the Firebenders have a problem with killing defenseless prisoners, not all firebenders are soulless monsters, and maybe they think the other benders can be reintegrated in their society after the take over the world.
*** Also, the earthbenders in "Imprisoned" were being used as forced labor for building ships for the Fire Nation.
*** This troper finds it much more likely that they just can't show people being killed on a children's show. Given the rhetoric of most of the Firebenders and their efforts to stop the Avatar from being reincarnated in a more realistic show they would have been killed.
*** But they showed monk Gyatso's skeleton. Someone who we saw alive was brutally murdered by fire, and we saw his dead skeleton!
*** We saw his skeleton but we did not see his on-screen murder. That wouldn't fly in the show.
*** Most likely because it's a show aimed at kids, so showing the Fire Nation periodically stopping by the Southern Water Tribe to slaughter all their Water-Benders would be a serious '''No''' for the network. I agree that it's unrealistic that they'd go to the trouble of keeping them prisoners for the rest of their lives, particularly when it would accomplish the same effect by simply killing them. That said, it did make for a rather disturbing episode, in a good way.
*** The fire nation propaganda claimed they were educating the world. I can imagine capturing enemies and spending large amounts of money and manpower on prisons shows your people that you are more 'civilized' than your enemy (especially if you tell your people the enemy does kill prisoners)
*** Also, it's possible that some of the captured benders are willing to work for the Fire Nation as healers or builders or such in exchange for release from prison. Such services would be extremely useful to the Fire Nation (might help explain how it has such a strong economy despite the war.)
*** The Comics did show a 'mixed-race' (Earth and Fire) earthbender who was loyal to the Fire Nation. She was from one of the colonies.
** The Fire Nation apparently doesn't believe in the death penalty or execution. They'll let traitors live, after all, so apparently for some reason they don't believe in executing prisoners of war. Ozai even says to Zuko in "Day of Black Sun" that the he believes in banishing or imprisoning traitors rather than killing them, and his choice to kill Zuko at that moment was a rarity. If the Fire Nation is unwilling to execute traitors, then it stands to say they'd be unwilling to execute prisoners of war.
** What you guys are forgetting is that the only reason all of the Airbenders were killed was because they wanted to avoid any problems with the Avatar. There's no way a Waterbender or Earthbender could be the Avatar, so there's no need for such brutality.
*** If anything the reason they keep them alive is ''because'' they could be the Avatar. They have already killed what they believe to be all the airbenders. This means that the next place the Avatar would reincarnate would be the waterbenders. Thus every waterbender they keep alive in prison is potentially the Avatar.
*** That doesn't really make sense either. The way the Avatar cycle has been shown to work is thus; old Avatar dies, new Avatar is instantly re-incarnated in some random baby. The earth and waterbending [=POWs=] aren't babies. Maybe it's because of some sort of cultural tradition or what-not, or maybe they don't execute them ''because'' they're [=POW=]s, like some of the more, eh, ''forgiving'' nations in RealLife. Or maybe they wanted to interrogate them for information, the same way [=POWs=] of, say, the Korean War were interrogated.
*** Except that it's been DECADES since they "killed" the Avatar when the captures start. Which would mean that the potential Avatar would be... an adult.
*** Sorry but it was make very clear in the show that the reason why the Air Nomads were genocided is to cut the Avatar re-incarnation cycle. It didn't stop because Aang was able to escape. There's nothing on the show's mythology that could justify to think that they expect the next Avatar to be among the Waterbenders, quite the opposite, they assume no new Avatar would ever appear because there was no Air Nation and the line was thus cut. Is outright said on the dialogue. In any case it would not make sense to make a genocide of one nation if they thought that the next Avatar would only skip it and jump to the next one, and in that case then they would have to genocide the Water Nation and then the Earth nation, which aside from impractical doesn't seem to be the motive of the Fire Nation that wants ''an empire'' not to be the only one around.
** It should also be noted that when the Airbenders were killed, there was a different Fire Lord in charge at the time. We know Ozai prefers banishment and imprisonment to using the death penalty. However, who's to say that the Fire Lords before him felt the same way? They could have possibly been fine with killing other benders off instead of imprisoning them. Ozai wasn't, so the soldiers had to keep Earth benders and Water benders as prisoners while under his rule.
** The Fire Nation has always been big on "honor" and whatnot with agni kai duels and such so perhaps they find it dishonorable to kill helpless prisoners when it can be avoided.
*** I'd second the honor premise. Killing someone who surrenders would probably be considered dishonorable. The Air Nomads were likely wiped out because they were protective of the child avatar and would not surrender.
*** The Air Nomads were wiped out because the Fire Nation wanted to stop blank the Avatar cycle. With no Air Nation the Avatar can not be reborn and the cycle stops. This was not a problem with the other nations as it wasn't their turn. If the Avatar was to be for the Water Tribes then the Water Tribes would have been the ones eliminated and the Air Nomads still would be around, and son on. Not wanting to deliver a child doesn't make sense for a genocide of that escale as even assuming all 100% of Air Nomads nor even one was willing to do it, there was still children, infants, elderly and other civilians who were not in the fight, and also as actual ''nomads'' the Fire Lord had to literally hunt them down all over the world. Too much effort just to erradicate a people because they didn't wanted to give a kid. The genocide only makes sense if they wanted to stop the existence of an Avatar forever. (Of course it could be argue that they have no way to know if without the Air Nomads the Avatar would just jump to the next one but otherwise the plan makes no sense as the amount of effort and resources to eliminate an entire nation would not be justify if they thought that is just going to jump to the next one, they were convice that no more Avatar would ever appear afterwards).
*** Or rather, it might be considered dishonorable to have vast scales of people killed unless you're using the ultimate weapon ; Firebending powered by Sozin's Comet. This is how Firelord Sozin wiped-out all the airbenders, and Ozai intended to do with the Earth Kingdom.
** Earthbenders are useful for coal mining, which is used for the Fire Nation's steam engines. Waterbenders are useful for their healing power--given the otherwise realistic depiction of injuries, waterbending healing would be one of the only possible explanations for why Zuko still has two eyes. But Airbenders? They served no purpose for the Fire Nation, and furthermore, one among their number was the reincarnation of a man who ''threatened their lord and demanded their people leave the colonies that had been set up.'' Honor being what it is to the Fire Nation, Roku's humiliation of his Fire Lord and forcing him to bow to the will of another ''probably'' left a bitter taste in the Fire Nation's mouth, moreso because Roku was Fire Nation himself.

* Why does the Fire Nation ship at the South Pole have boobie traps? Did they just think "Oh, the Avatar might end up here one day and one of our ships might be close enough to see the trap if it sets off, so we'll just add those in!"
** To catch enemy spies who tried to sneak on the ship. The avatar just happens to be one of those enemies. The flare was to alert other ships in the battalion that one ship has been compromised.
*** I think you mean ships in the area. It didn't look like any ships were assigned to be there and stay there, so there wouldn't be any units there. Also, the correct term is squadron, not battalion, which is a term used exclusively for land-based units. Though you might see Task Force or Task Group when refering to modern navies, older naval organization put ships into squadrons.
** The ship may have gotten in the ice. At which point, they booby-trapped it so that no one could use it, and any attempts to do so would set off a signal for any Fire Nation ships in the area.
*** The audience actually ''saw'' the instance when the ship got stuck in the ice. It was in one of Hama's storytelling-flashbacks. We never saw any soldiers abandoning it, though admittedly we also didn't see any skeletons when Katara and Aang were exploring, which suggests it was abandoned at some point. Quite possibly they did booby-trap it then.
*** To add on to this, they may have wanted to prevent non-Fire Nation folks from sneaking on and obtain incriminating documents, weapons, or steal armor so they can disguise themselves as Fire Nation soldiers and infiltrate their army.
* The number of nations. There are stated to be 4 nations, yet we have seen two earth kings rule at the same time (the earth king in ba sing sei, and Bumi in Omashu). There are also two fire nations, one as the main enemies of the show, and the sunwarriors. The water tribe has been shown to not only have the distinction between northern and southern water tribe (which were probably united before the war, so you can chalk that up to general disbalance), but there was also the Foggy Swamp Tribe. That brings me to a total of 7 nations even before the war, which seems to kind of interfere with the whole 'four balanced nations, four balanced elements'.
** The United States of America is stated to be one country, yet we have fifty governors ruling at the same time (Bloomberg in New York, Schwarzennegger in California, etc.). Just because there are several rulers doesn't mean that there are several ''countries''. The Earth Kingdom is actually a confederacy of City-states that fall under the rule of Ba Sing Se and call themselves one nation. As to the others, it's an ethnic thing. The terminology used in the show is pretty mixed up. The "Nation" actually refers to Ethnicity in this case. The Water Tribesmen are all tan-to-dark-skinned with blue eyes, and so call themselves one Nation because of this. Same thing with the Fire Nation, who are mostly light-skinned (The darkest being Combustion Man, and even he was lighter than Katara), and have gold or red eyes. The Sun Warriors just fall under the banner of Fire Nation. The Air Nomads are the odd ones out, being a Religious Nation of some sort.
*** The USA still has a single head of state with a unique title, namely the president. The Earth kingdom has either two heads of state, or the head of state sharing a title.
*** That doesn't detract from my point at all. Their respective territories are called "cities", so the title is just that- a Title. Also note that Kuei is called the "Earth King" while Bumi is the "King of Omashu." Meanwhile, when the Fire Nation took over Omashu, Mai's father was appointed "Governor" because he's still a vassal (or whatever) of the Fire Lord.
*** It's entirely possible that by the time the series is set the cities have largely grown independent of Ba Sing Se and just keep the name 'Earth Kingdom' because of tradition. Considering that the leaders of Ba Sing Se seem content to remain behind a giant wall and wait for Fire Nation attacks it's hard to see how they would be able to keep the loyalty of Omashu.
*** It's not too much of a stretch to assume that, in this alternative universe full of so much of its own culture, that the notion and title of a "king" is a more general way of referring to someone governing any area.
** Maybe there were two nations per element, only that the Fire Nation wiped out the second Air nation in addition to the Air Nomads because they were trying to prevent the Avatar from showing up.
*** Perhaps the female Air Nomad temples could be considered a separate nation from the male Air Nomad temples?
** Kuei can easily be seen as the King of Kings. The Earth kingdom expands but leaves the cities to their own devices. King Bumi is king of Omashu but ultimately answers to Kuei.
** It is probably like Celtic/Early Medieval Ireland. There where five Kings but each owed (a very limited) loyalty to the High King who ruled the whole nation. In that case the Kings where very autonomous and had a lot of freedom but where ultimately vassals of the High King. Boomie is A King, but The Earth King is THE Earth King.
** In ancient times and even in the Middle Ages, the common setup among nations was one sovereign nation--we'll use Greece as an example--with various city-states within. In ancient Greece, most city-states had a certain degree of autonomy, depending on the era. They considered themselves distinctively Greek (for the most part), but different cities and areas were decidedly self-governed. Even though Greece was considered one nation, it had multiple kings, governors, lords, etc. Even when Greece came under the control of conquerors and emperors, the city-states were allowed to maintain some autonomy. The Earth Kingdom probably works in a very similar manner, with Omashu being a self-governing city-state largely independent of the influence of Ba Sing Se--itself a city-state. Thus King Bumi is still very much a king, and whether or not he is as powerful as Kuei (or Long Feng, if you prefer) or if he is a lesser monarch is up for debate.
** First of all, this isn't ASOIAF or whatnot. It was intended as a kid's show, so I don't think the creators thought too much about this issue (if glaring). The Earth Kingdom is similar to the Holy Roman Empire of Germany. It's a collection of autonomous states that just so happen to 'serve' under the Emperor (Earth King). It's a Kingdom only in name. It seems from the Wiki that the idea of Four Nations was very new (only c.500 years old).
*** "It was intended as a kid's show, so I don't think the creators thought too much about this issue" ... Did you not watch the show? The creators clearly paid a ''lot'' of attention to exactly this sort of thing.
*** Cite, instead of making low blows, this isn't a forum where you can expect frequent updates so please make a full rounded rebuttal. For that matter, I don't know if you watched the same show I watched, for what I watched most certainly not a documentary of Earth Kingdom political structure. They gave us a typical barebone fantasy geopolitical system, and that was it in the show. (Granted, I do not listen to the creator commentaries, if that's what your going at)
*** There isn't much to cite--the whole show shows such attention to detail on every other subject that "this is a kid's show, they just didn't care" simply is not an available explanation. It's not a "documentary," no, but it's very clear that the worldbuilding was extensive and well-researched.
** The Earth Kingdom is most closely based on Imperial China, and they had client states with their own client kings on their periphery. This is pretty standard for ancient empires, actually, since it takes far less resources and effort to just lean on neighbouring polities with your influence than to conquer them by force. You let small kingdoms keep their independence on internal affairs and their customs and titles, as long as they swear fealty to you and pay tribute. This is probably the original relationship of Ba Sing Se and the rest of the Earth Kingdom, but in the present day of the show the Impenetrable City has shut away the outside world and lost interest in governing territories outside its walls, leaving all the polities it used to control to practical independence -- again, something similar happened with the Imperial China in its last days.
** Is China and Taiwan one nation or two? And is Tibet part of the nation known as China or is a different nation? The problem is that we in the West tend to think in nations as synonymous of state (government) or country, but in the East (and the show is strongly Influenced by Eastern culture) nation is more an ethnic term, as for example a Tamil in India may feel that he is part of the Tamil Nation, thus feeling closer to the Tamils in Sri Lanka than to non-Tamil Indians, a Tibetan in Northern India probably feel closer to a Tibetan in Tibet and part of the same nation even when they live in different countries/states and are citizens of different governments. Just make the same analogy to ATLA's world.
** The problem is to think: Nation equals State (as in country) when is more like Nation equals People. That’s why in real life some people refer to Native Americans as First Nations (especially in Canada) or use terms like Apache nation and Navajo nation. The UK has one single government but encompass four nations; England, Scotland, Wales and (well part of the nation of Ireland) Northern Ireland. The USA have sovereign Indian tribes that are define as nations inside its territory, China officially recognizes 18 different nationalities. So you get my idea. \\\
Also the opposite may apply, Pan-Arabism for example consider all Arabs members of one single nation, yet divided among like 12 independent states. The Umma is sometimes call the Muslim nation and is a similar case as the aforementioned. Jews consider themselves one single people, yet they only have one independent State, but very numerous communities around the world. In A:TLA’s world there are only four nations (or races or peoples, as you wish) define by their element, yet nation and government are rarely the same, as in our world.
** For a simpler answer, King Bumi only rules over Omashu, since it's mentioned as being one of the larger cities in the Earth Kingdom, but it's still just a city. The Earth King, comparatively, rules over the entirety of the Earth Kingdom, from his seat of power in Ba Sing Se. As the OP mentions, the three different Water Tribes were originally just one water tribe living at the north pole before they split off, and the Air nomads are...well, nomads, so they wouldn't necessarily constitute a "nation."
** Also the four nations can be seen really as four races, in a similar way how the classic, now obsolete, classification of humans was into White, Black, Yellow and Red, but each have lots of different subdisions of nations, peoples, tribes and clans. Nowdays the division is more scientific but is still only of three main branches of humanity; Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid. Another example is Huntington's famous book ''Clash of Civilizations'' that divides the world in seven main civilizations (Western, Orthodox, Islamic, Buddhist, etc) but each is further divided in countries and regions.

* Where do baby air nomads come from? You have the temples separated by gender, and if these are like temples in most traditions, the nuns and monks are celibate. Do they go around abducting children? Occasionally meet for wild sex parties? What?! Where do the baby Air Nomads come from?! -sob-
** I saw mentioned on another page that only young and elder air nomads stay at the temples and the rest travel between them. It's quite possible that air nomad romances happened on these travels.
** It's also possible that only the ''benders'' become nuns/monks and live in the temples. Katara's living proof that a bender can be born of two non-bender parents. So perhaps the non-bending population of the Air Nomads sent their bending-capable children to the temples to be raised by the monks/nuns. Sort of like Jedi- ''they're'' celibate, and get little Jedi from the general population of the galaxy.
*** WordOfGod is that there ''aren't'' any non-bending Air Nomads.
*** Correct. There were no non-bending Air people, they were all airbenders and monks. And although they didn't raise their children in nuclear family structures, they're not celibate.
*** Yes, all Air Nomads are benders. But that does not mean that they do not pool from villages around the air temples to get new nomads. Maybe that is why they are nomads. They travel from temple to temple gathering new benders from vollages along the way.
** [[http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs26/i/2008/245/c/8/Gyatso_Explains_It_All_by_Booter_Freak.png The correct answer is wild sex party.]] Also known as [[Franchise/StarTrek Pon Farr]]

* So, if most of the Air Nomads are, well ''nomadic'', then how was the Fire Nation able to kill ALL of them in a single series of attacks? Was every single Air Nomad AT HOME at the time? Did nobody run away (remember, they're the only one's that could FLY)? Even the women, in charge of the children just sat around to get slaughtered. Yet, despite being scattered around the entire planet, only a SINGLE airbender survives. Heck, the same thing happens in DBZ with the Saiyans. Maybe it should be a trope (Nomadic Race Dies To Single Attack).
** I really don't think that all the airbenders died on the day of Sozin's Comet. I just assume that anyone who wasn't at the temples on the day of the comet went there eventually, at which point there was a group of firebenders stationed there to mop them up.
*** The nation was stated as highly spiritual. It probably isn't too much of a stretch that there is a spirit associated with the comet and the airbenders all gathered in the temples in recognition to this spirit.
*** The way I see it, the airbenders aren't all dead, the survivors simply integrated into either the Fire or Earth Nations. The Guru Pathik? An Air Nomad in all but name. He may have only been a "Spiritual Brother" to the airbenders since he cannot bend. Ty Lee? An incredibly spiritual person who looks much more like an Air Nomad than a Fire Nation girl (her hair and eye color is a match to the Air Nomads). At the very least she is be of mixed heritage. The Air Nomads as a society are gone, but a few individuals sill remain.
*** I, too, always thought Ty Lee must be connected to the Air Nomads. Her eyes are even ''shaped'' similarly to Aang's. I also saw a fic once (the title escapes me) where Aang figured out that Ty Lee ''was'' an airbender--how else could she do the sort of acrobatics she does?
*** It is called "Behind Grey Eyes" and can be found [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6221323/1/Behind-Gray-Eyes here]]
*** The name 'Nomad' doesn't seem to actually mean much considering the fact that these people were living in four large temples. As for integration...nothing in canon to suggest that and it would be incredibly strange for the Fire Nation to take in the people they were trying to annihilate.
*** You seem to be forgetting, for example, how Aang, at 12, seems to know a lot about the different customs and attractions of his world, and has friends in all three of the other nations. You know, like someone would if they ''did a lot of traveling''.\\\
As for the integration, I doubt any surviving Air Nomads ''said'' they were Air Nomads. If you've just barely escaped an attempt at genocide, you wouldn't tell anyone who you really were, now would you?
**
A comic in The Lost Adventures says that Fire Nation soldiers took relics from the temples and plant them in towns in such a way as to give the impression to airbenders that another refugee airbender was hiding nearby. When they arrived at the supposed Air Nomad hiding spot though they would by ambushed by Fire Nation soldiers and killed. \n*** Seeing as no airbenders showed up to the Avatar during the duration of the show, I think we can safely say they have either been completely assimilated (with no Airbending inheritance and no knowledge of their lineage) or completely wiped out.It's been suggested before that the Airbenders Genocide was not only participated by the Fire Nation but also by the Earth Kingdoms and the Water Tribes. Think about it: It's very likely that a Airbender could just hole up in the major EK cities like Omashu and Ba Sing Se, where the Fire Nation never reached. The only way for the Airbenders to have been so assimilated or exterminated is if they found no refuge in the Earth Kingdoms or the Water Tribes.\n*** How was that suggested and by whom?\n*


!!Homosexuality
Assuming the monks/nuns aren't celibate, wouldn't gender separated air temples encourage homosexuality?
** Even if * First off, homosexual attraction is not the same as just randomly doing it did with someone of the same sex as you. Besides, the Air Nomads wouldn't care, care - the comics have established they saw no difference between types of love and relationships.
** * WordOfGod and AllThereInTheManual is also that Air Monks/Nuns don't [need to] take celibacy vows. Beyond that, only the very young or very old are in the Western Air Temple flashbacks, there's only a few guys that temples anyway, which are Young adults or Middle-aged. Everyone else is either early childhood to Adolescent, or Old/Ancient. They wouldn't be so concerned about romance. Also, Aang was at the Eastern Air Temple when he met Appa. The monks/nuns visit each other from time to time, and may or may not have been having a wild sex party while the kids were off frolicking with their new bison.
* The Southern
ages for romance.

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[[folder:
Water Tribe is ''crushingly'' poor. They have almost nothing beyond the tools, weapons and clothes needed to survive in their very hostile environment. The Northern Tribe is wealthier, but they still don't really seem to have all that much, not counting their city, which was clearly created by waterbending. And Foggy Swamp? Gah! They're even poorer than Tribes]]

!!Blue clothes
How did
the Southern water tribe dye their clothes blue? No doubt they were made from otter-seal skin, which is shown to be brown. And the South Pole is not exactly a plant-friendly environment...
* A couple of things to note: When the Gaang meet an Earth Kingdom merchant they recognize and readily accepts their
Water Tribe! So, why Tribe currency, so clearly there is international trade. Also, there are plants in the show's South Pole (mostly short polar conifers), something again seen in the comics. That's likely where the dye comes from.
* Plus, in RealLife squids make dark blue ink, so there might be some ATLA equivalent hybrid.

!!Wealth
Why
are the three Water Tribes so poor when they live in what should, by rights, be immensely resource-rich areas for people who can reach those resources? The Northern Water Tribe has access to extremely fertile fisheries, the Foggy Swamp ought to be thick with source plants for medicines and other pharmaceuticals, and that's just off pharmaceuticals.
* RealityIsUnrealistic - You could say
the top of my head. Granted, same for Native Americans. They thrived in a bountiful land, but relative to the Southern Tribe is probably so poor owing to no longer having waterbenders, but that doesn't explain the other two.
** Don't forget the involvement
rest of the Fire Nation. The Southern Water Tribe was largely depleted world are living in worse conditions and were ''crushingly'' poor. Realistically there are many reasons why they aren't profiting from repeated Fire Nation attacks, they're land in that way, such as isolation, slower technological advancement, satisfaction with what they have and perhaps not grasping and/or rejecting the concept of using the land for profit.
* Plus, both
the Northern Water Tribe has and Southern tribes have been attacked repeatedly, repeatedly by the Fire Nation, specifying that they have withstood the Fire Nation for nearly a century (and despite that, looks pretty well off). The Foggy Swamp Tribe looks to be very small, so they likely don't have the manpower to fully exploit it, and their culture seems pretty laid back anyways.
** All three tribes are fairly insular and isolated. The Southern Tribes seem to be pretty far away from other civilizations to the point where they likely don't regularly trade with outsiders, and they also seem fairly scattered and disorganized. The Northern Tribe seems like it does engage in more regular trade. The Foggy Swamp seems extremely insular and likely doesn't engage in regular trade at all because they simply prefer to stay out of contact with everyone else. And don't forget that all of the above is after engaging in a century of constant war with Fire Nation raiders.
** You could say the same for their real world counter part the Native American. They thrived in a bountiful land, but relative to the rest of the world are living in worse conditions and were ''crushingly'' poor. Realistically there are many reasons why they aren't profiting from they're land in that way. Such as isolation, slower technological advancement, and perhaps even not grasping and/or rejecting the concept of using the land for profit. They may have simply decided that they like where they were and felt their quality of life was satisfactory. But that's just realistically.
**
* The Southern Water Tribe and Foggy Swamp Tribe both seem to be relatively recently founded, which is why they're both so scattered and such. As for the northern tribe...I'm not seeing what you mean by "they don't tribe, they already have much, not counting their city" - a city, what else are you expecting is there to see? have? Having a full-fledged city is nothing to scoff at, and they've managed to remain completely safe from the Fire Nation for the past 100 years, a feat even the Earth Kingdom couldn't pull off - Iroh managed to break down the outer wall of Bah Sing Se and only gave up the siege after his son died. We also never see any hints that the northern tribe is struggling to get by or anything, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that they're poor.

* People from different nations have different eye colors (Gray, green, amber, blue). So how are people of one nationality able to pass themselves as another (like the Gaang throughout the third season, or Zuko and Iroh in Ba Sing Se, or Hama)?
** Presumably the eye thing isn't universal. There's probably been just enough interbreeding between the nations that there's at least some plausibility that different eye color variants can be found in a given nation.
** Aang, Katara, Sokka and Toph told people they were from the Fire Nation colonies. As for Iroh and Zuko, there were lots of refugees because of the war, so even if people could tell that Zuko and Iroh were from the Fire Nation, they were probably assumed to be political refugees. And Hama certainly falls under {{Rule of Scary}}.
*** Hama's eyes are grey, not blue like typical Water Tribe inhabitants. There seem to be grey-eyed people in all of the four nations — Aang, Ty Lee, Hama, and Toph (though hers are more grey-green), so it wouldn't be suspicious.
*** Toph's "gray" eyes always looked more like cataracts to this troper, since you can see the green underneath them. Either way, though, the Gaang were passing themselves off as "from the Earth Nation colonies," and since Toph is, well, actually from the Earth Kingdom, she could do this the most convincingly, "proper" eye color or not.
** Also, remember Roku's wife? She had pretty gray eyes, not amber. There must be occasional exceptions to this eye-color thing. Or, maybe the colors mentioned above are just the most common color of that nation, not the only color. Mixed ancestry, like a Fire Nation ancestor in a mostly Earth Kingdom family is also a factor. There is always the chance that one child can have amber eyes so long as the Fire Nation gene remains.
** To be honest, is harder to explain why Katara and Soka's skin color is never notice.
*** During his time at a Fire Nation school, Aang befriends a boy whose skin stone is similar to theirs. It stands to reason that it's not exclusive to Water Tribesmen.
* On the topic of eye color, how is it that, in a nation consistently surrounded by the world's worst snow glare, the dominant brown eye trait managed to get bred out of the Water Tribe completely, leaving only the extremely vulnerable blue eye trait? Following that, how is it every Water Tribe person over the age of 40 isn't blind or very near to it? Pakku is close to 80 and seems to have perfect vision.
** I always assumed this was ArtisticLicenseBiology for the sake of ElementalEyeColors. While Arctic people in real life have brown eyes, no Water people in ''Avatar'' have them. All of them have blue eyes because WaterIsBlue rather than scientific reasons, I guess. Likewise, the Earth kingdom is populated by East Asians with bright green eyes (not as egregious but still unusual), and the Fire nation people have yellow eyes. I don't know anyone with yellow eyes...
*** This is a world where some people are able to interact with their environment in ways that are absolutely impossible in RealLife and even Aang isn't [[WebAnimation/IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice the motherfucking Emperor]]. Could be that the Water Tribe blue eyes are not like ''RealLife'' blue eyes at all and offer (near-)complete protection from snow glare. Not only don't we see any of them blinded by it, there is never any complaint made against it and no attempt to avoid it ''at all''.
* Does no one in the Fire Nation know what their prince looks like? Even when Zuko is in his ninja mode, his scar isn't covered.
** Remember that the Lieutenant of their ship didn't even know how Zuko got the scar in "The Storm." This shows that the general populace probably didn't know the faces of most of the royalty. So Zuko and Azula are probably only really recognized by a handful of people, mostly the elite of the Fire Nation, so they could go around the general populace unnoticed.
*** The "most important teenagers" in the Fire Nation (who were blissfully unaware that they were, at that moment, ''speaking'' to the actual most important teenagers in the Fire Nation, of course) evidently didn't know what Zuko looks like--and Chan's dad is an admiral! Which brings up another strange point: Azula had two best friends with, ostensibly, fathers in high positions--why didn't Zuko?
*** The "most important teenagers" probably just didn't give a crap about the Fire Nation royalty; they seemed the type to be more interested in having a good time. Also, as to Zuko and friends, I always assumed he just...never got out much. More of an introvert. He never seemed to be able to communicate well with people he didn't know already. Well, without yelling a lot. Or sounding melo-dramatic.
** That makes sense. The only time we see ordinary citizens refer to Zuko's scar is in "The Ember Island Players," and that only came from people who did extensive research about the people involved in Aang's journey--and they still got the scar on the wrong side!
** Not to mention, in a nation with a large population of living flamethrowers with short fuses, burn scars might be more common than you'd think.
*
died.


!!How does Yon Rha know?
In the flashback during The Southern Raiders, Yon Rha tells Kya that his source claims there is one waterbender left in the Southern Tribe. Now, the tribe has already shrunk in population thanks to previous raids and is hardly in the most accessible of places. Anyone knowing there's a waterbender left had to have either seen Katara or heard about her. So, in this small, isolated village with only a young novice waterbender to attract a raid, ''who'' was Yon Rha's source?
** * Outsider traders, or even prisoners taken in the Fire Nation's raids. There are probably also other tribes scattered around the South Pole as well. Any of them could have let that fact slip.
*** *face-palm* Of course. Silly question. That's what you get for speculating at 1 am and deciding to make an entry. Raids
slip.


!!Why
are less likely if it'd been years since women not allowed to waterbend, exactly?
The tradition of not teaching women waterbending in
the last one (Katara was only eight?), but the chance of traders and other villages selling her and Hakoda's village out is a no-brainer.
** I always imagined that a previously-captured waterbender was the "source", and was tortured or something into saying.
** It is possible that the source was a trader or other such visitor who developed some sort of grudge against the Southern
Northern Water Tribe in particular and his information makes no sense. Who was correct the first Waterbender? The moon. What gender is the moon spirit? Female.
* It's not that they don't teach women waterbending. It's that they don't teach women ''combat'' waterbending. What do you think the healers Katara was sent to work with used? Also, until Yue does her sacrifice, the moon spirit is a fish, not a humanoid female, so WhatMeasureIsANonHuman presumably.

!!So can men learn healing waterbending?
Regarding the Northern Water Tribe's opposition to teaching women non-healing waterbending, was it that
only by accident. As Yon Rha doesn't bother men are allowed to ask Kya learn combat waterbending ''and'' only women are allowed to prove that she can learn healing, thereby imposing strict gender roles on both, or was it just women who aren't allowed to learn everything? I don't think we ever saw a single male healer anywhere, much less from the north, but was there any WordOfGod on this?
* Men are probably ''allowed'' to learn healing, but since it's considered a "womanly" thing, most probably opt not to. While they likely weren't technically BANNED from it, it was in all likelihood discouraged.
** It seems much more likely for a ban going both ways, otherwise Katara would have pointed out the hypocrisy.


!!Why are women not allowed to
waterbend, this exactly? Part II
With bending being a thing and all, why was it that the system of gender roles used by the Northern Water Tribe ever became a thing? As a comparison, in the ''Harry Potter'' world a woman was president in the 1920s because there were no roadblocks keeping a woman from doing the same things a man could do.
* History/culture/tradition, whatever you want to call it. You'll notice that Pakku never suggests that Katara
would result merely in a terrifying raid, a bit be incompetent or unable to learn combat waterbending, just that he won't teach her because of destruction, and some random person dying (at best). Good revenge if you really wanted to hurt a people.
* Not only eye-color, but
the rules. Sokka also hair-color developed similar views of gender roles before the series started. Somewhere in their history the water tribes simply established gender roles and it's just stuck. Although in Sokka's case it seems to have been an assumption based on what he observed rather limited in the ATLA world. Bumi is shown to be ginger in a flashback, but apart from that, there isn't much representation of fair- or ginger-haired people.
** ....and? Humans in the setting are genetically predisposed to dark hair. I fail to see an issue with this.
** Exactly, what's this person's point? Caucasian people
than something he was taught.

[[/folder]]


[[folder: Earth Kingdom]]

!!I
don't exist in like segregation, says the Avatar world.
** I think this
person means, why does Bumi have a different hair color than from the ''entire rest of his country''? Yeah, red hair especially is uncommon, but it's still a little jarring that he's the ''only'' non-dark-haired person we see. If "Caucasians" don't exist in Avatar-verse, where did Bumi even get his hair from?
** Red hair in non-Europeans is rare but caused by a different gene. Suki has auburn hair, so Bumi isn't alone, but it is shown much less than it probably should. What's most perplexing about hair/eye color to me is that the polar Water Tribes have dark skin (the darkest we see) but the Foggy Swamp Tribe has European color and appearance, unlike our world where dark skin is favored in the tropics and fair skin near the poles. The darkest people also have the only blue eyes, which is very uncommon in reality. Clearly, the Avatar-verse has different rules for genetics.
*** The tropics/poles thing isn't true to begin with; nearly all indigenous circumpolar peoples are dark-skinned.
*
gender-segregated temple
When the Gaang gets to Ba Sing Sei and are taken on the tour of the city, they notice that the rings are divided by class. Aang comments that this is why he never liked to travel there before, because it's so different from the way the monks taught him to live. But...didn't the monks separate everyone by gender? How is that different? And if it is different, why did Aang think his way was better?
** That's separating people by gender--not separating them by social class or economic level, and the * The Air Nomads are separated for spiritual and religious reasons, in an attempt to reach enlightenment, instead of randomly being divided because the higher-ups didn't have barriers want to prevent other members of their own nation from shifting location. Besides that, see your face. Besides, it's been pointed out many times higher up on this page that the only people you ever see at the Air Temples are young children and [[OldMaster Old Masters]]. elders are in the temples. Presumably they weren't separated for ''life'', unlike the people in Ba Sing Se. Everyone Se.
* Seperation of social class is also likely quite jarring for a spiritual nation, which would reject worldly posessions and whatnot. Aang is the [[TheChosenOne Avatar]] — he pretty much ''exists'' to combat unfair treatment and stagnant cultures like the one
in '''Ba Sing Se.'''


!!Finding the Avatar
How are Avatars from the Earth Kingdom found? The Earth Kingdom is a HUGE nation. It's the biggest of them all and WordOfGod also most populous. When the Avatar is reincarnated into the EK he/she must be very difficult to find!
* Seeing as it's customary for the Avatar's identity to be revealed when they reach sixteen, it may be a daunting task to find them, but whoever administers the search has plenty of time. And if it came to it, Raava or one of the previous Avatars could always bring out another type of bending or the Avatar State to speed the search along.


[[/folder]]


[[folder: Fire Nation]]

!!Keeping prisoners
Why does the fire Nation keep prisoners? They have to go to ridiculous lengths to keep waterbenders and earthbenders from being able to escape. They were willing to genocide
the Air Nomads, so why not kill Water Tribespeople and Earth Kingdomers?
* Remember the reason FN killed the
Nomads was to stop the Avatar cycle. There's no way a Waterbender or Earthbender could be the Avatar so there's no need for such brutality -
* The earthbenders in "Imprisoned" are useful for labor as evidenced in 1x06, and waterbenders could be useful for healing. Airbenders? Not so much.
* Fire Nation propaganda claimed they were educating the world. Capturing enemies and spending large amounts of money and manpower on prisons shows your people that you are more 'civilized' than your enemy.
* The Fire Nation also apparently doesn't believe in the death penalty or execution. They've always been big on "honor" and whatnot with Agni Kai duels and such so perhaps they find it dishonorable to kill helpless prisoners when it can be avoided.

!!Booby traps
Why does the Fire Nation ship at the South Pole have traps? Did they just think "Oh, the Avatar might end up here one day and one of our ships might be close enough to see the trap if it sets off, so we'll just add those in!"
* The ship was stuck in the ice at which point they booby-trapped it so that no one could use it or retrieve sensitive documents and material, and any attempts to do so would set off a signal for any Fire Nation ships in the area.


!!Zuko incognito
Does no one in the Fire Nation know what their prince looks like? Even when Zuko is in his ninja mode, his scar isn't covered.
* Even the Lieutenant of their ship didn't even know how Zuko got the scar in "The Storm." This shows that the general populace
probably didn't know the faces of most of the royalty. So Zuko and Azula are probably only really recognized by a handful of people, mostly the elite of the Fire Nation, so they could go around the general populace unnoticed.
* In a nation with a large population of living flamethrowers with short fuses, burn scars might be more common than you'd think.


!!Japan, maybe?
So is the Fire Nation based on Japan or not? The designs are [[http://atla-annotated.tumblr.com/tagged/The-Fire-Nation-is-not-Japan actually closer to Chinese and Thai if anything]].
** It has an equal amount of design, visuals, and cultural tones that are clearly and
in some cases explicitly taken from Japanese art and culture. Both mainlands are archipelagos, and both have a history of rapid industrial and military growth, after which they waged war on other Asian countries. They both also hold a very high sense of honor.


!!FNKGB
Doesn't the Fire Nation have a KGB-like organization whose job is to ensure the loyalty of citizens (in this matter, rebel hunting), much like how Star Wars had COMPNOR or the Imperial Security Beureau? If they did, shouldn't they be the ones Team Avatar has to contend with?
* The Fire Nations citizens are all pretty much onboard with the nations goals and always have been. Between the fairly reasonable goals given for beginning the war plus a century of propaganda the Fire Nation isn't divided on the subject.


!!Fire lord? Lady?
Is it customary for females to still be referred to as "Fire Lord," instead of a gender-based equivalent?
* Yes, Fire Lord is the title no matter who holds it.


!!Sun Warriors
Are the Sun Warriors Aang and Zuko meet in season 3 directly related to the original Sun Warriors, or are they more akin to the Air Acolytes - regular people who took interest in replicating and maintaining the Sun Warrior ways of life?
* They ''are'' the original Sun Warriors;
the same income bracket tribe, anyway. The episode doesn't imply anything otherwise.
[[/folder]]


[[folder:The four nations as a whole]]

!!How many countries, exactly?
It's stated to be 4, yet we have seen two earth kings rule at the same time (The Earth King in Ba Sing Se, and Bumi in Omashu). There are also two Fire Nations, one as the main antagonists of the show, and the sunwarriors. The water tribe has a Northern and Southern one, as well as the Foggy Swamp Tribe. That brings us to a total of 7 nations even before the war.
* The US is one country, but it's more a loose collection of states under one government. 'Nation'
in the first place, and show is also used more tied to ethnicity. Take the Native Americans for example, who are also called First ''Nations'' - they probably all stayed there, as the point seemed are very different in culture, but band together under one name out of a combination of simplicity / resistance to be imperialism.

!!Genetics

!!!Hiding eye color
People from different nations have different eye colors (gray, green, amber, blue). So how are people of one nationality able
to detach pass themselves from worldly possessions. They would never have discriminated against or segregated people on as another (like the basis of how much gold they have Gaang throughout the third season, or had. It's only temporary, Zuko and (apparently) related to training and religion rather than controlling other people. While they may not seem Iroh in Ba Sing Se, or Hama)?
* Presumably the eye thing isn't universal. There's probably been just enough interbreeding between the nations that there's at least some plausibility that
different at eye color variants can be found in a given nation.
* Aang, Katara, Sokka and Toph told people they were from
the surface, Fire Nation colonies. As for Iroh and Zuko, there were lots of refugees because of the two concepts are really war, so even if people could tell that Zuko and Iroh were from the Fire Nation, they were probably assumed to be political refugees. And Hama certainly falls under RuleOfScary.

!!!Everyone has blue eyes
How is it that, in a nation consistently surrounded by the world's worst snow glare, the dominant brown eye trait managed to get bred out of the Water Tribe completely, leaving only the extremely vulnerable blue eye trait? Following that, how is it every Water Tribe person over the age of 40 isn't blind or
very different.near to it? Pakku is close to 80 and seems to have perfect vision.
** As * ArtisticLicenseBiology for why Aang considered ‘his way’ to be better, he probably thought that because... well, I hesitate to say that it is, as that's largely a matter the sake of opinion and will probably vary depending on your personal and political beliefs ElementalEyeColors. While Arctic people in reality. Segregation real life have brown eyes, no Water people in ''Avatar'' have them. All of them have blue eyes because of social class is not generally considered a nice thing, in WaterIsBlue. Likewise, the twenty-first century or, evidently, in Air Nomad culture. By separating Earth kingdom is populated by East Asians with bright green eyes (not as egregious but still unusual), and the Fire nation people based on how much money they make and essentially hiding the lower classes from the nobility (as ultimately shown with Earth King Kuei, who has literally ''no idea'' what’s going on have yellow eyes, which in RealLife is extremely rare.

!!!Hair
Almost everyone
in the world beyond the walls of his palace), the upper classes are essentially ignoring an important issue and by extension making it worse by not allowing room for the peons on the Lower Ring to move up in society. Aang ATLA has black hair, but Bumi is the [[TheChosenOne Avatar]]—he pretty much ''exists'' to combat unfair treatment and stagnant cultures like the one in '''Ba Sing Se.'''
*** Iroh and Zuko were able to move up in society, though. When the higher-ups tasted Iroh's tea they offered him his own tea shop and an apartment in the upper ring. That's how it works in the real world, too; a lot of nice positions are largely based on meeting the right people. One could assume
ginger? Where did that if everyone else worked just as hard in their profession they would be able to move up, come from?
* Suki has auburn hair,
so your point about the upper class people keeping the poor people sequestered away falls kind of flat.
*** How many people in RealLife actually ''make'' the move from RagsToRiches, though?
*** A person could work hard all their life and never get anywhere, ''particularly'' in Ba Sing Se where the "right people" have little reason to drop by your part of town (or vice versa) and thus deem your remarkable talent worthy of throwing money at you. Iroh's route wouldn't work for everyone - it seems unlikely to happen to, say, a cabbage merchant.
*** [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra It's funny you should say that.]]
* The name Toph doesn't seem to fit with any of the cultures in the series. The "ph" blend is derived from the Greek letter "phi,"
Bumi isn't alone, but we don't see any culture based off a Greek or Western culture, with the possible exception of the Foggy Swamp.
** Not sure about the name itself but, assuming you're refering to how 'Toph'
it is spelled, spelling has absolutely nothing to do with the name's source. We're using a latin alphabet. The characters in the show aren't. They use Chinese and possibly Japanese caligraphy. That's what Toph would use for her name. A translation Latin characters could just as easily render her name "Tof".
** According to Wikipedia, on her passport, her name is written as 北方拓芙 (''běi fāng tuò fú'').
* The tradition of not teaching women waterbending in the Northern Water Tribe makes no sense. Who was the first Waterbender? The moon. What gender is the moon spirit? Female. Seems like they just came up with the idea so that they could have an excuse for Katara to act all high and mighty...
** It's not that they don't teach women waterbending. It's that they don't teach women ''combat'' waterbending. What do you think the healers Katara was sent to work with used, happy thoughts? Also, until Yue does her sacrifice, the moon spirit is a fish, not a humanoid female.
** Interestingly enough the official policy of the Northern Water Tribe at the time echoes the noticeable absence of named women benders (or at least those trained in combat) in the series. Aside from Avatars Yangchen and Kyoshi, there is only one female airbender
shown and named (Sister Liu from Appa's flashback), two female earth benders (Toph and Oma), and Azula was noticeably the first and (up until the middle of the third season) only female firebender. There were no female Earthbenders shown either the Earth Kingdom armies or the Dai Li, and the Fire Nation's only confirmed female soldiers served either in prisons or in law enforcement, as opposed to taking part in any major foreign campaigns or occupations (however, since many soldiers wore masks as a part of their uniform, it would be difficult to ascertain their gender from a glance). The Foggy Swamp Tribe seemed to be the only tribe that had women benders fight alongside male benders. While Katara was right to point out that she should be able to learn how to fight with Waterbending if she wanted to, the baffling expectation throughout much of the world at that time seemed to be that women were expected not to fight, even if they were benders in a time of war. The fact that almost all of the aforementioned female benders were easily equaled or surpassed their male peers are a strong indication that this exception is not grounded in any concrete fact.
*
less than it probably should.

!!A hundred year war
How did the Fire Nation and Earth Kingdom manage to fight each other for a hundred years? You would think attrition would wear them down to the point that one or the other has to give up. After all, men who are off fighting a war aren't home begetting children, and the mass casualties deplete a large number of men. You'd think they'd have trouble fielding an army, even an army of conscripts, after forty or fifty years. Yet not only are they still fighting, but the Fire Nation can still afford to sacrifice its troops cavalierly.
** My personal theory on this was that
up.
* If
the Fire Nation was ''severely'' overpopulated at the start of the war, so they could absorb fairly nasty casualties with minimal impact on their economy. This would also give another reason why Sozin started the colonies: He needed more land to feed and house all his people.
** * Also, I don't there's a tendency (because it's true for modern ones) to think the Fire Nation was fighting the entire Earth Kingdom at any given time. Probably Sozin invaded the Southern Kingdoms first, and during the opening years of the war Omashu, Ba Sing Se, and the other northern kingdoms were barely involved.
** Europe had something called "The Hundred Years War". Perhaps the avatar war wasn't one of
'war == constant battle, it was one where there were surges combat', but the conflict between FN and temporary respites. We EK might just so happened involve a bunch of clashes from time to see the show in one of the surge eras.
***
time. Hell, in RealLife Europe had ''two'' Hundred Years War, Wars, both fought between the same kingdoms (England and France). So it's not at all impossible for both to still be at it after 100 years and it's even possible that 50 years or so after the end they go back to war for a long time.
* In the episode where Katara and Toph were locked in a wooden cage, why were they locked in a wooden cage? This takes place in the Fire Nation where the likely prisoners would be Fire Nation citizens. I know it's likely most fire benders were out fighting the war but it still seems stupid to build a cage out of wood when you know there are people in your country who can produce fire at will. The only thing I can think of is that Combustion Man organized the whole thing somehow or the Fire Nation isn't as rich as it seems and they can't actually afford the metal to build a proper cell.
** Yes, Combustion Man arranging it (probably after seeing and recognizing the face of 'The Runaway' on the wanted poster) is the implication here.
** Maybe it was just built out of wood because they couldn't get any metal to built the bars from. They probably used all of it to build that Ozai statue outside.
* Okay, so how are Avatars from the Earth Kingdom found. The Earth Kingdom is a HUGE nation. It's the biggest of them all and according to WordOfGod it has the biggest population. When the Avatar is reincarnated into the EK he/she must be very difficult to find! They can't use the Air Nomad method because it would be very unrealistic to bring every Earthbender baby to pick from 1,000 toys and the Order of the White Lotus cannot just go searching every single nook and cranny of the EK to investigate every single claim they hear. That would take forever.
** Seeing as it's customary for the Avatar's identity to be revealed when they reach sixteen, it may be a daunting task to find them, but whoever administers the search has plenty of time. And if it came to it, Raava or one of the previous Avatars could always bring out another type of bending or the Avatar State to speed the search along.
* In ''The Southern Air Temple'', Aang refuses to believe that the Fire Nation could've killed all the Air Nomads, because the Air Temples can only be reached by flying bisons. Then they go the Southern Temple, and find bodies of Fire Nation soldiers, proving that the Fire Nation did indeed get there. But the problem is that Aang's initial reasoning is still correct: the Fire Nation soldiers shouldn't have been able to reach the Temple. They didn't have airships yet, and all the dragons were extinct, or at least hidden from the Fire Nation. So how did the Fire Nation attack the Temples?
** Dragons weren't extinct until some time well after Aang was frozen; Aang "knows" they're still around when he wakes up; and Aang was frozen very shortly before the Fire Nation attacked. Also, Sozin's Comet beefed up all firebenders, and we're shown multiple times in both series that firebenders can make themselves into rockets with their bending, even more so with the comet.
* Regarding the Northern Water Tribe's opposition to teaching women non-healing waterbending, was it that only men are allowed to learn combat waterbending ''and'' only women are allowed to learn healing, thereby imposing strict gender roles on both, or was it just women who aren't allowed to learn everything? I don't think we ever saw a single male healer anywhere, much less from the north, but was there any WordOfGod on this?
** Men are probably ''allowed'' to learn healing, but since it's considered a "womanly" thing, most probably opt not to. While they likely weren't technically BANNED from it, it was in all likelihood discouraged.
*** I have to heartily disagree. It seems much more likely for a ban going both ways. Otherwise Katara would have had a ready-made argument for being taught that she could have used without truly insulting anyone. I think Katara would be smart enough to pick up on such a double standard and at least try to argue from that standpoint regardless of whether it would be successful or not. Even if she is a bit hotheaded, Katara has Aang, who would have gladly made a similar argument in her stead if she, for whatever reason, didn't want to make the argument herself.
* Why do some people insist that the Fire Nation is ''aesthetically'' Japanese?
** Because it has a lot of design and visuals that are clearly and in some cases explicitly taken from Japanese art and culture.
** The designs are [[http://atla-annotated.tumblr.com/tagged/The-Fire-Nation-is-not-Japan actually closer to Chinese and Thai if anything]].
** There's a case to be made that the Fire Nation is also partly inspired by Japan; both mainlands are archipelagos, and both have a history of rapid industrial and military growth, after which they waged war on other Asian countries. They both also hold a very high sense of honor.
** I wondered that too. The only thing that I would consider to be blantantly Japanese about FN is Iroh's armor.
* Doesn't the Fire Nation have a KGB-like organization whose job is to ensure the loyalty of citizens (in this matter, rebel hunting), much like how Star Wars had COMPNOR or the Imperial Security Beureau? If they did, shouldn't they be the ones Team Avatar has to contend with?
** The Fire Nations citizens are all pretty much onboard with the nations goals and always have been. Between the fairly reasonable goals given for beginning the war plus a century of propaganda the Fire Nation isn't divided on the subject.
* If the Fire Nation knows that the Avatar, once killed, is always reborn into the next nation in the cycle, then why did they kill all the Air nomads in the first place? And why are they still expecting the Avatar to be a 100-year-old airbender? Shouldn't there have come a point where they started looking for an earthbender instead?
** 1: They might have been intending to break the reincarnation cycle for good in the long term and keep the Avatar from being of a competent age for a few decades in the short term. 2: They're still suspecting it's an airbender because there hadn't been so much as a single substantiated sighting of the avatar in over 100 years, even during the years when the "new avatar" would've been a child, meaning that the only explanation is that the avatar escaped and has lived to a ripe old age.
* Is it customary for females to still be referred to as "Fire Lord," instead of a gender-based equivalent?
** Yes, Fire Lord is the title no matter who holds it.
* Are the Sun Warriors Aang and Zuko meet in season 3 directly related to the original Sun Warriors, or are they more akin to the Air Acolytes - regular people who took interest in replicating and maintaining the Sun Warrior ways of life?
** They ''are'' the original Sun Warriors; the same tribe, anyway. The episode doesn't imply anything otherwise.
* With bending being a thing and all, why was it that the system of gender roles used by the Northern Water Tribe ever became a thing? As a comparison, the ''Fantastic Beasts'' films sought to give the magical community in 1920s America a female president - unheard of at the time - because the existence of magic meant that unlike in the real world, there were no roadblocks keeping a woman from doing the same things a man could do. Unless the Water tribesmen think that a woman's bending is somehow weaker than a man's, wouldn't the same logic apply to them?
** Sexism. You'll notice that Pakku never suggests that Katara would be incompetent or unable to learn combat waterbending, just that he won't teach her because of the rules. Sokka also developed similar views of gender roles before the series started. Somewhere in their history the water tribes simply established gender roles and it's just stuck die to traditions. Although in Sokka's case it seems to have been an assumption based on what he observed rather than something he was taught.
* Why didn't the water tribes get mentioned more in series 3? Between Crossroads of Destiny and the Day of Black Sun most of the fire nation believed that Aang was dead, so why is it that none of the fire nation scenes suggest that they were considering the fact that the next avatar would be born into one of the water tribes, which was the reason for the Air Nomad massacre 100 years prior. Not only that, none of the Gaang made any reference to the possibility of the fire nation thinking this.
** Azula “killed” Aang while he was in the Avatar State, remember? If you get killed in the Avatar State, the Avatar Cycle ceases to continue. They don’t mention the search for the next Avatar because they probably don’t expect that there’s going to be another one.
** The fact the Avatar cycle ends if you're killed in the Avatar State doesn't seem to be common knowledge, in fact it's implied to be a secret only the Avatars know, passed on to the current incarnation by the previous one. Which makes sense, because the Avatar wouldn't want to reveal their greatest vulnerability... So how would the Fire Nation know about it?
** The sequel series tells us there's an offshoot of the Order of the White Lotus who is aware of the weakness; they try to force Korra into the Avatar State before killing her so that they can plunge the world into anarchy. If they know about it, there could well be others who could've spilled the beans to Ozai or someone serving under him. It may not be common knowledge, but it's not something only the Avatar is in on.
* So what happens if the avatar is born into the Foggy Swamp Tribe or the Sun Warriors? I mean they’re pretty secluded, what would their methods be to tell?
** They don't have a way to tell, but the child would still be able to bend all four elements and would likely stumble upon a second one eventually and realise they have to leave. Or they might make contact with one of their past lives eventually.
** The Sun Warriors probably know about the Avatar already (especially after ‘’The Legend of Korra’’ revealed that it was the first Avatar who invented the Dancing Dragon), and it’s implied they were only in hiding during the first series because the Fire Nation in its current state is actively trying to destroy their firebending philosophy. I’m guessing they’d become less secretive after Zuko took the throne, also considering his dragon mount is said to be the spawn of the Masters Ran and Shaw. And there was at least one member of the Foggy Swamp tribe who knew who the Avatar was, on top of the swamp itself being a very spiritual place. Not to mention, we don’t know how secluded they really are either.
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