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** A lot of writers (and actors, too) treat their characters like real people. It's a way to keep them real on the page (or screen), make them seem less like mobile props just there to serve the story. A lot of authors have had moments where they wanted a story to go in a particular direction, only to realize the characters won't bend that way, and a lot of actors have moments where they realize that their character would never say or do something the story requires of them. Hamilton may take it UpToEleven, but it's hardly uncommon.

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** A lot of writers (and actors, too) treat their characters like real people. It's a way to keep them real on the page (or screen), make them seem less like mobile props just there to serve the story. A lot of authors have had moments where they wanted a story to go in a particular direction, only to realize the characters won't bend that way, and a lot of actors have moments where they realize that their character would never say or do something the story requires of them. Hamilton may take it UpToEleven, up to eleven, but it's hardly uncommon.
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** With the latest book (''Bullet'') and a brand new CharacterDerailment on Richard's part, they're chummy again. And by 'chummy,' I mean Richard has finally joined the Cult of Anita, and is now comfortable- after '''five books''' of vitriol- with worshiping her and throwing his own emotional (and sexual) needs aside for a grand ol' time of MarySue-ish one-way monogamy.

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** With the latest book (''Bullet'') and a brand new CharacterDerailment on Richard's part, they're chummy again. And by 'chummy,' I mean Richard has finally joined the Cult of Anita, and is now comfortable- after '''five books''' of vitriol- with worshiping her and throwing his own emotional (and sexual) needs aside for a grand ol' time of MarySue-ish one-way monogamy.



* Anita's PowerCopying of abilities. Has it been said WHY she keeps stealing abilities from people? I mean, as far we know, she's specifically a BlackMagicianGirl necromancer. This was not only her greatest power but also her species for Christ's sake. Her gaining a vampire servant? Okaay, I chalked that up to rare, but hey she IS a necromancer, and What's His Face is dead. It seemed semi-logical. Draining the life out of a vampire? Technically, raising the dead requires her to put life/magic into corpses anyway so it was reasonable enough. Hell, as creepy as it was/is, her developing and feeding the ardeur through vampires (instead of [[strike:every man]] [[strike:everything breathing]] {{anything that moves}}) made sense even if it was weird on several levels. But healing folks through sex, calling jaguars, leopards, lions, tigers and men (oh my!) and effectively [[MindRape mind raping]] people? Where is that covered in necromancy and [[GodModeSue why has NO ONE ELSE in over FOUR MILLION YEARS figured out how to do all of those things and more?]] Besides the fact that she can now do practically everything under the sun and necromancy most definitely isn't everything under the sun (nor is it really [[BlackMagic under the sun]]), there's also her physical parameters. To my knowledge, Anita is Jean-Claude's human servant with three marks in her. While the final one will make her more or less immortal, shouldn't the other three have made her proof against pretty much ALL diseases including lycanthropy? Hell, if she gained the ability to call animals thanks to Richard and Jean-Claude, shouldn't she have been calling wolves, dogs, bears and other types of canines? Which brings me to something else that just occurred to me: if a necromancer's greatest power is over the dead, then why do people still refer to Anita as one? At this point, she's closer to a witch or enchantress.

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* Anita's PowerCopying of abilities. Has it been said WHY she keeps stealing abilities from people? I mean, as far we know, she's specifically a BlackMagicianGirl necromancer. This was not only her greatest power but also her species for Christ's sake. Her gaining a vampire servant? Okaay, I chalked that up to rare, but hey she IS a necromancer, and What's His Face is dead. It seemed semi-logical. Draining the life out of a vampire? Technically, raising the dead requires her to put life/magic into corpses anyway so it was reasonable enough. Hell, as creepy as it was/is, her developing and feeding the ardeur through vampires (instead of [[strike:every man]] [[strike:everything breathing]] {{anything that moves}}) made sense even if it was weird on several levels. But healing folks through sex, calling jaguars, leopards, lions, tigers and men (oh my!) and effectively [[MindRape mind raping]] people? Where is that covered in necromancy and [[GodModeSue why has NO ONE ELSE in over FOUR MILLION YEARS figured out how to do all of those things and more?]] more? Besides the fact that she can now do practically everything under the sun and necromancy most definitely isn't everything under the sun (nor is it really [[BlackMagic under the sun]]), there's also her physical parameters. To my knowledge, Anita is Jean-Claude's human servant with three marks in her. While the final one will make her more or less immortal, shouldn't the other three have made her proof against pretty much ALL diseases including lycanthropy? Hell, if she gained the ability to call animals thanks to Richard and Jean-Claude, shouldn't she have been calling wolves, dogs, bears and other types of canines? Which brings me to something else that just occurred to me: if a necromancer's greatest power is over the dead, then why do people still refer to Anita as one? At this point, she's closer to a witch or enchantress.



** It's a ridiculous GodModeSue power, but as of ''Bullet'', it seems to be explained. If I understand correctly (1) Anita is an exceptionally powerful necromancer; (2) the vampires have said many times that you must never never bring a necromancer into a triumvirate or make one a human servant, or they will gain terrible powers; (3) part of that seems to be PowerCopying; (4) Anita's beast powers are a result of her PowerCopying the Master of Beasts, a super-vamp who has power over all weres. Apparently, his powers work about the same as hers.

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** It's a ridiculous GodModeSue power, but as of ''Bullet'', it seems to be explained. If I understand correctly (1) Anita is an exceptionally powerful necromancer; (2) the vampires have said many times that you must never never bring a necromancer into a triumvirate or make one a human servant, or they will gain terrible powers; (3) part of that seems to be PowerCopying; (4) Anita's beast powers are a result of her PowerCopying the Master of Beasts, a super-vamp who has power over all weres. Apparently, his powers work about the same as hers.



** It wouldn't be in character at all. I was more commenting on how LKH's attempt to make Anita even more of a ''MarySue'' than she was has shifted her from 'Not Terribly Effective Hero" to ''NiceJobBreakingItHero''. She probably doesn't realise this.

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** It wouldn't be in character at all. I was more commenting on how LKH's attempt to make Anita even more of a ''MarySue'' OP than she was has shifted her from 'Not Terribly Effective Hero" to ''NiceJobBreakingItHero''. She probably doesn't realise this.



** The series is awful, but that particular quirk is over-justified, if anything. Sleeping with Anita is a power up for supernaturals, plus she has the magic power of making people fall in love with her, plus she has large breasts. Yes, she's a pain in the rear, but I could see a bunch of people deciding to hold their nose and go for it and/or being sucked into her MarySue magic. (In the first few books, Jean Claude is running a game on her at least at first, and Richard, well, who can explain love?).

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** The series is awful, but that particular quirk is over-justified, if anything. Sleeping with Anita is a power up for supernaturals, plus she has the magic power of making people fall in love with her, plus she has large breasts. Yes, she's a pain in the rear, but I could see a bunch of people deciding to hold their nose and go for it and/or being sucked into her MarySue magic. (In the first few books, Jean Claude is running a game on her at least at first, and Richard, well, who can explain love?).
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*** The importance of first time sex is something it makes sense for her to cling to given the backstory event she often repeated in early books about setting aside her personal abstinence pledge only to be dumped by the guy after they had sex. If she’s going to hold to anything, might as well be the belief that someone’s first time should be entered into with complete honesty, transparency, trust on both sides, and without compulsion or attempts to wear down boundaries.
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* As mentioned in the main page under HollywoodLaw, the various vampires and werewolves and other supernatural creatures (except for demons) are all supposed to be taxpaying US citizens,yet Jean-Claude regularly has people summoned to his presence by the expedience of sending a heavily armed thug (Anita) or a powerful vampire (Asher) to retrieve them, often against their will. That's kidnapping. But no one ever thinks to call the cops afterward. Likewise, the entire idea that a vampire or werewolf has to get "permission" from the local vampire lord or werewolf pack leader before moving into a new territory is also a violation of civil rights. One can imagine a vampire or werewolf who is new to the Saint Louis area, and who has been harassed and/or threatened because they didn't get approval first suing Jean-Claude or Richard Zeeman for their entire net worth because of civil rights violations. Why is this never brought up?

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* As mentioned in the main page under HollywoodLaw, the various vampires and werewolves and other supernatural creatures (except for demons) are all supposed to be taxpaying US citizens,yet Jean-Claude regularly has people summoned to his presence by the expedience of sending a heavily armed thug (Anita) or a powerful vampire (Asher) to retrieve them, often against their will. That's kidnapping. But no one ever thinks to call the cops afterward. Likewise, the entire idea that a vampire or werewolf has to get "permission" from the local vampire lord or werewolf pack leader before moving into a new territory is also a violation of civil rights. One can imagine a vampire or werewolf who is new to the Saint Louis area, and who has been harassed and/or threatened because they didn't get approval first suing Jean-Claude or Richard Zeeman for their entire net worth because of civil rights violations. Why is this never brought up?up?
** To be fair, lycanthropes and vampires seem to operate similar to crime syndicates or gangs, with the Master of the City/Pack leader acting as the godfather. Members pay dues to the group in exchange for protection. As for no one suing them in civil court, well... it has been stated multiple times that a lot of shifters and vampires are afraid that their rights will get taken away again. Just think about IRL protections for trans-people being passed then reversed! You can bet groups like Humans First are campaigning like crazy to get the rights of preternatural creatures stripped away! Plus even though it is illegal to discriminate against shifters on paper, you can bet your ass that if they are outed many employers will find an excuse to fire them. So pretty much all of them have valid reasons to keep their heads down and play nice with the establishment.

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** In a later book we find out that, yes, most of them do shave, and they talk Anita into shaving her pubic hair. We also see her shaving her legs, so this has now been answered canonically.



** Anita killed Gabriel and ran Elizabeth off, the wereleopards now have two new very submissive females, two apathetic 'alphas' and two enthusiastic rapists added to the Pard. There is no suggestion that Anita protects the female leopards from sexual assault; she hardly notices them. Certainly when she conspired to kill the lions' Rex, she asked the new Rex-to-be not to kill the lions who had jobs as it would cost money. She did not stand up for the lionesses even after being explicitly told that it is standard for them to be raped during a takeover.

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** Anita killed Gabriel (although it was self-defense) and ran Elizabeth off, the wereleopards now have two new very submissive females, two apathetic 'alphas' and two enthusiastic rapists added to the Pard. There is no suggestion that Anita protects the female leopards from sexual assault; she hardly notices them. Certainly when she conspired to kill the lions' Rex, she asked the new Rex-to-be not to kill the lions who had jobs as it would cost money. She did not stand up for the lionesses even after being explicitly told that it is standard for them to be raped during a takeover.
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*** "I couldn't help myself; I apologize for that one," after a 'jab' that was noting that, yeah, she's not the only one to get inspiration from a dream, and knows what a good number of the audience was thinking. Also, upon watching that...she said she's not a pedophile as a very clear message for her agent to give to people who wanted her to write tween books (10-11 by their definition), and then suggesting that the 10- and 11-year-olds would move on to ''Literature/AnitaBlake'', or '''''MerryGentry'''''. She didn't want to expose little kids to sex.

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*** "I couldn't help myself; I apologize for that one," after a 'jab' that was noting that, yeah, she's not the only one to get inspiration from a dream, and knows what a good number of the audience was thinking. Also, upon watching that...she said she's not a pedophile as a very clear message for her agent to give to people who wanted her to write tween books (10-11 by their definition), and then suggesting that the 10- and 11-year-olds would move on to ''Literature/AnitaBlake'', or '''''MerryGentry'''''.'''''Literature/MerryGentry'''''. She didn't want to expose little kids to sex.
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** Probably because they DO notice her. And try not to. Anita is a very, very scary person, and she probably has a reputation by now. Anita is also so self absorbed that she wouldn't even notice people crossing the street to avoid her - only the ones she's boinking or the ones trying to kill her.
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*** The part that truly takes this into unprecedented levels of moral hypocrisy is that Richard spent his entire time prior to this working out heavily, training in martial arts, and making certain he was tough and strong enough that he could fight without having to kill. He specifically and openly stated he had no intentions of killing, that he wanted to find nonlethal solutions to his problems. Anita then proceeded to mock him, bully him, taunt him, and call him immature and foolish for not regarding murder as a viable solution to problems. And she promised that she would never, ever reject him if he did do what she was bullying him into doing. And then he did what she wanted... and she immediately rejected him. And then spent the next six books claiming it was his fault and never once acknowledging that she had made him do the things she rejected him for. And then "realized" it was her own anger psychologically damaging him and making him behave differently, and worked to exorcise it... before blaming him some more anyway, because Anita's motto is NeverMyFault
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** A lot of writers (and actors, too) treat their character's like real people. It's a way to keep them real on the page (or screen), make them seem less like mobile props just there to serve the story. A lot of authors have had moments where they wanted a story to go in a particular direction, only to realize the character's won't bend that way, and a lot of actors have moments where they realize that their character would never say or do something the story requires of them. Hamilton make take it UpToEleven, but it's hardly uncommon.
* Wolves are monogamous how can a large group of people with a strong link to wolves accept that their queen is...[[MyGirlIsASlut well]]?

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** A lot of writers (and actors, too) treat their character's characters like real people. It's a way to keep them real on the page (or screen), make them seem less like mobile props just there to serve the story. A lot of authors have had moments where they wanted a story to go in a particular direction, only to realize the character's characters won't bend that way, and a lot of actors have moments where they realize that their character would never say or do something the story requires of them. Hamilton make may take it UpToEleven, but it's hardly uncommon.
* Wolves are monogamous monogamous, so how can a large group of people with a strong link to wolves accept that their queen is...[[MyGirlIsASlut well]]?



** A fair point until about Incubus Dreams or so (and probably explained by Anita's denial issues) but given the accelerated healing Anita now has, any kind of internal birth control might go badly, and the patch or shot might not work. Getting her tubes tied is possible, but while we know lycanthropes can get vasectomies, like with the internal birth control we don't know what the healing factor might do if she gets her tubes tied.
* Blake's idea of sanitation after magically-induced sex with multiple strangers is a wet nap. How does that get anyone close to clean?

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** A fair point until about Incubus Dreams ''Incubus Dreams'' or so (and probably explained by Anita's denial issues) but given the accelerated healing Anita now has, any kind of internal birth control might go badly, and the patch or shot might not work. Getting her tubes tied is possible, but while we know lycanthropes can get vasectomies, like with the internal birth control we don't know what the healing factor might do if she gets her tubes tied.
* Blake's idea of sanitation after magically-induced sex with multiple strangers is a wet nap.Wet Nap. How does that get anyone close to clean?



** Actually that's somewhat of a simplification of what's happening. It's not the power of a deity but rather the faith and belief of the person themselves that counts. There is mention in the books of a yuppie warding off a vampire... with his wallet (because he worships/has faith in/whatever the power of the almighty dollar). Moreover, as it's a matter of 'true' faith simply joining a religion would be a meaningless act as far as the power of it was concerned - it's not about lipservice it's about what's inside. It's somewhat of a parallel to magical ability. Moreover, there are many creatures that exist in the universe that predate the rise of any modern religion as well as, you know, coming from various religions. Lastly, it's something the books only lightly touch upon. It's possible that religion is on the decline... because it's pretty darn easy to know who is truly faithful and who is merely paying lip service. Similarly, the book talks about a vampire church - thus some religions may be dying only to be replaced or stand side by side with new ones.

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** Actually that's somewhat of a simplification of what's happening. It's not the power of a deity but rather the faith and belief of the person themselves that counts. There is mention in the books of a yuppie warding off a vampire... with his wallet (because he worships/has faith in/whatever the power of the almighty dollar). Moreover, as it's a matter of 'true' faith simply joining a religion would be a meaningless act as far as the power of it was concerned - it's not about lipservice lip service, it's about what's inside. It's somewhat of a parallel to magical ability. Moreover, there are many creatures that exist in the universe that predate the rise of any modern religion as well as, you know, coming from various religions. Lastly, it's something the books only lightly touch upon. It's possible that religion is on the decline... because it's pretty darn easy to know who is truly faithful and who is merely paying lip service. Similarly, the book talks about a vampire church - thus some religions may be dying only to be replaced or stand side by side with new ones.



** This Troper has a theory that someone's said something to Hamilton about the fact that her SelfInsert has had sex with a sixteen year old boy, and she may be halfheartedly attempting damage control. In a recent appearance on a panel in Chicago, she, somewhat out-of-nowhere, insisted that she would never write YA because she's "not a pedophile." '''Wot?''' What does that have to do with YA Fiction? [[SarcasmMode Charmingly,]] she then followed this up with a dig at the Twilight series- I can't even ''stand'' Twilight, but even '''I''' think it was uncalled for and petty.

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** This Troper has a theory that someone's said something to Hamilton about the fact that her SelfInsert has had sex with a sixteen year old boy, and she may be halfheartedly attempting damage control. In a recent appearance on a panel in Chicago, she, somewhat out-of-nowhere, insisted that she would never write YA because she's "not a pedophile." '''Wot?''' What does that have to do with YA Fiction? [[SarcasmMode Charmingly,]] she then followed this up with a dig at the Twilight ''Twilight'' series- I can't even ''stand'' Twilight, ''Twilight'', but even '''I''' think it was uncalled for and petty.



** Its both a MoralEventHorizon on Anita's part and ValuesDissonance. The different kinds of were groups dont function like human society. Democracy is nice but vampires and weres can be controlled by anyone more powerful. That Werelion Pride was functionally useless, requiring protection just to keep from being taken oven by other Werelions. In a world where AsskickingEqualsAuthority they sucked. Anita had the protection removed after the Rex had betrayed her, leaving Her and most of the Vampires to die rather than cheat on his wife. Thats another problem as monogamy isnt something that lions have. If anyone else has been leader of that Werelion Pride they likely would have a harem of woman, like real lion prides. Basically the guy was TooDumbToLive as a werelion.
* In Guilty Pleasures, Anita is basically told that Jean-Claude has permanently magically altered her very being in a way that vampires use to make someone there slaves, and she's not even a little upset about it.

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** Its It's both a MoralEventHorizon on Anita's part and ValuesDissonance. The different kinds of were groups dont don't function like human society. Democracy is nice but vampires and weres can be controlled by anyone more powerful. That Werelion Pride werelion pride was functionally useless, requiring protection just to keep from being taken oven over by other Werelions. werelions. In a world where AsskickingEqualsAuthority AsskickingEqualsAuthority, they sucked. Anita had the protection removed after the Rex had betrayed her, leaving Her her and most of the Vampires vampires to die rather than cheat on his wife. Thats That's another problem as monogamy isnt isn't something that lions have. If anyone else has been leader of that Werelion Pride werelion pride they likely would have a harem of woman, like real lion prides. Basically the guy was TooDumbToLive as a werelion.
* In Guilty Pleasures, ''Guilty Pleasures'', Anita is basically told that Jean-Claude has permanently magically altered her very being in a way that vampires use to make someone there slaves, and she's not even a little upset about it.



** It seems off though that every other physical aspect is described in lavish detail, down to eyelashes and the ''stitching'' on clothing, and like this has been forgotten. Especially since most of the men are shapeshifters- as in fur-bearing.

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** It seems off though that every other physical aspect is described in lavish detail, down to eyelashes and the ''stitching'' on clothing, and like this has been forgotten. Especially since most of the men are shapeshifters- as shapeshifters--as in fur-bearing.



** Hamilton apparently likes her men as they appear on the covers of romance novels, and isn't going to let a little thing like realism get in her way. ... Normally that last bit wouldn't come out so snarky, but y'know... [[AcceptableTargets it's Laurell Hamilton]].
** It's strange, but I have a brunette male friend who has arm and leg hari but no chest hair beyond a treasure trail, so maybe it can happen?

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** Hamilton apparently likes her men as they appear on the covers of romance novels, and isn't going to let a little thing like realism get in her way. ... Normally that last bit wouldn't come out so snarky, but y'know... [[AcceptableTargets it's Laurell K. Hamilton]].
** It's strange, but I have a brunette male friend who has arm and leg hari hair but no chest hair beyond a treasure trail, so maybe it can happen?



** It's a ridiculous GodModeSue power, but as of Bullet, it seems to be explained. If I understand correctly (1) Anita is an exceptionally powerful necromancer; (2) the vampires have said many times that you must never never bring a necromancer into a triumvirate or make one a human servant, or they will gain terrible powers; (3) part of that seems to be PowerCopying; (4) Anita's beast powers are a result of her PowerCopying the Master of Beasts, a super-vamp who has power over all weres. Apparently, his powers work about the same as hers.
** She's got so many different sources of power at this point, it's hard to keep them straight. First, there's her "own" powers, the stuff she gets from the necromancy, the zombie animation, and the basic level of witch training she's recently had. Also, at least by the current book, Anita seems to basically be a lynchothrope, and a pan-ware at that ever since being scratched by a pan-ware; she doesn't actually change, although she's come close a few times, but she carries many strains of it, and has many of the characteristics of it (fast healing, requires heat to heal, craves flesh, ect) and she gets some of those mystical abilities. It's mentioned she's not the only person to be a carrier without actually turning, although it's very rare. She's also the human servant of a vampire, and so she has a lot of his powers, and she gets powers from being linked to Richard (she started showing some warewolf-ish powers even before she was infected because of that). And she gets control of whatever vampire powers are used on her. And she has other sources of power that derive from those; the munin came from her link with Richard and her control of the undead, but now that's become a whole separate source of power itself; the ardor came from her human servant stuff, but the power she drains from that feeds into all of her other powers and makes them stronger. Take all that, mix and match, and add a good dose of heroic willpower, and she can basically do anything.

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** It's a ridiculous GodModeSue power, but as of Bullet, ''Bullet'', it seems to be explained. If I understand correctly (1) Anita is an exceptionally powerful necromancer; (2) the vampires have said many times that you must never never bring a necromancer into a triumvirate or make one a human servant, or they will gain terrible powers; (3) part of that seems to be PowerCopying; (4) Anita's beast powers are a result of her PowerCopying the Master of Beasts, a super-vamp who has power over all weres. Apparently, his powers work about the same as hers.
** She's got so many different sources of power at this point, it's hard to keep them straight. First, there's her "own" powers, the stuff she gets from the necromancy, the zombie animation, and the basic level of witch training she's recently had. Also, at least by the current book, Anita seems to basically be a lynchothrope, lycanthrope, and a pan-ware pan-were at that ever since being scratched by a pan-ware; pan-were; she doesn't actually change, although she's come close a few times, but she carries many strains of it, and has many of the characteristics of it (fast healing, requires heat to heal, craves flesh, ect) etc.) and she gets some of those mystical abilities. It's mentioned she's not the only person to be a carrier without actually turning, although it's very rare. She's also the human servant of a vampire, and so she has a lot of his powers, and she gets powers from being linked to Richard (she started showing some warewolf-ish werewolf-ish powers even before she was infected because of that). And she gets control of whatever vampire powers are used on her. And she has other sources of power that derive from those; the munin came from her link with Richard and her control of the undead, but now that's become a whole separate source of power itself; the ardor ardeur came from her human servant stuff, but the power she drains from that feeds into all of her other powers and makes them stronger. Take all that, mix and match, and add a good dose of heroic willpower, and she can basically do anything.



** Swanmanes are addicted to BDSM sex so no change there but their King now has to tithe power to Anita. Werehyenas took over 50 casualties in a battle against Chimera, who was in town to 'court' Anita and bought the wereleopards with him and also brought traitorous werewolves into the pack.
** Anita killed Gabriel and ran Elizabeth off, the wereleopard now have two new very submissive females, two apathetic 'alphas' and two enthusiastic rapists added to the Pard. There is no suggestion that Anita protects the female leopards from sexual assault, she hardly notices them. Certainly when she conspired to kill the Lions' Rex, she asked the new Rex-to-be not to kill the lions who had jobs as it would cost money. She did not stand up for the lionesses even after being explicitly told that it is standard for them to be raped during a takeover.
** Incidentally, in the werelions first appearance they are explicity said to be a member of a group composed of very small groups of animals who have moved to St. Louis because there are so few of their kind there. Anita demands a lion to feed from, the Rex gives her several choices, which Anita rejects for being too weak. The Regina is not strong and the Rex rules in conjunction with his brother, which is somewhat indicative that he is not either. So, they moved to St. Louis and deliberately started a small, low powered pack to live in peace and quiet. Anita invites vicious Mob enforcers to take over their pack instead of protecting them.
** The werewolf pack no has a slutty lupa who is slowly driving the Ulfric insane and getting him into fights which aren't his. Little to no change. Richard has banned vengeance for crimes before his tenure as Ulfric, so all the female werewolves have to be one big happy family with the abusive male werewolves, except for the two that Anita killed, plus the remaining leopards, who used to rape the female leopards as punishment. They are now allied with the vampires and get called on to provide security everytime Jean Claude has visitors. And they have to volunteer to work a hotline for all the weres who are too useless to look after themselves. Maybe slightly improved conditions for the pack as a whole.

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** Swanmanes are addicted to BDSM sex sex, so no change there there, but their King now has to tithe power to Anita. Werehyenas took over 50 casualties in a battle against Chimera, who was in town to 'court' Anita and bought brought the wereleopards with him and also brought traitorous werewolves into the pack.
** Anita killed Gabriel and ran Elizabeth off, the wereleopard wereleopards now have two new very submissive females, two apathetic 'alphas' and two enthusiastic rapists added to the Pard. There is no suggestion that Anita protects the female leopards from sexual assault, assault; she hardly notices them. Certainly when she conspired to kill the Lions' lions' Rex, she asked the new Rex-to-be not to kill the lions who had jobs as it would cost money. She did not stand up for the lionesses even after being explicitly told that it is standard for them to be raped during a takeover.
** Incidentally, in the werelions werelions' first appearance they are explicity explicitly said to be a member of a group composed of very small groups of animals who have moved to St. Louis because there are so few of their kind there. Anita demands a lion to feed from, the Rex gives her several choices, which Anita rejects for being too weak. The Regina is not strong and the Rex rules in conjunction with his brother, which is somewhat indicative that he is not either. So, they moved to St. Louis and deliberately started a small, low powered low-powered pack to live in peace and quiet. Anita invites vicious Mob enforcers to take over their pack instead of protecting them.
** The werewolf pack no now has a slutty lupa who is slowly driving the Ulfric insane and getting him into fights which aren't his. Little to no change. Richard has banned vengeance for crimes before his tenure as Ulfric, so all the female werewolves have to be one big happy family with the abusive male werewolves, except for the two that Anita killed, plus the remaining leopards, who used to rape the female leopards as punishment. They are now allied with the vampires and get called on to provide security everytime every time Jean Claude has visitors. And they have to volunteer to work a hotline for all the weres who are too useless to look after themselves. Maybe slightly improved conditions for the pack as a whole.



* Shouldn't the local and federal government be at least a bit disturbed by Anita's actions? Admittedly this is only working with knowledge of the books going up to ''Danse Macabre'' but Anita should still be a U.S Marshal and yet she has gotten herself heavily involved in supernatural politics, can be considered an accessory to at least a few murders and is on very good terms with an assassin. You would think that she would realize that the Justice Department might be a bit uneasy if they ever found out.

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* Shouldn't the local and federal government be at least a bit disturbed by Anita's actions? Admittedly this is only working with knowledge of the books going up to ''Danse Macabre'' but Anita should still be a U.S S. Marshal and yet she has gotten herself heavily involved in supernatural politics, can be considered an accessory to at least a few murders and is on very good terms with an assassin. You would think that she would realize that the Justice Department might be a bit uneasy if they ever found out.



* Ok, so back in Killing Dance. After spending the entire book berating Richard to give in to his beast and be as vicious as she is, he finally does it. Yes he got icky, smelly, nauseating shapeshifter goop all over her in the process. Alright, I can understand how that would gross a girl out. He unintentionally conveyed cannibalistic urges to her. Fine, I can understand how that would freak a girl out too. What this troper can not understand is why if you're so freaked out, sickened, and repulsed by nauseating shapeshifter goop and unwanted cannibalistic urges, your very first impulse is to go run to a vampire and stuff his penis into your mouth. That's the first sexual act Anita performs for JC. Call me nutty, but that just never made a whole lot of sense to me. And to this day people still ''defend'' her, like somehow it was Richard's fault that Anita betrayed him and went to slobber down Jean-Claude's pole(amongst other things) after he finally did what she was constantly badgering him to do. Keep in mind, that Jean-Claude is for all practical intents and purposes a walking corpse. So she ran off to fellate cold, dead penis. Clearly she couldn't have been ''too'' sickened/traumatized/repulsed by the experience with Richard could she? And then adding insult to injury, when Richard is very understandably is angry about her betrayal she has the nerve to point her gun at him and go into '[[AxCrazy I'm a stonecold killer and i'll even kill you and sleep like a baby afterwards]]' mode on him. For mercy's sake, you just finished blowing(amongst other things) another man, and you can't even let Richard vent a little on the furniture? What the hell, hero? It used to upset me, but after Richard's epic CharacterDerailment, it doesn't even matter anymore.

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* Ok, so back in ''The Killing Dance.Dance''. After spending the entire book berating Richard to give in to his beast and be as vicious as she is, he finally does it. Yes he got icky, smelly, nauseating shapeshifter goop all over her in the process. Alright, I can understand how that would gross a girl out. He unintentionally conveyed cannibalistic urges to her. Fine, I can understand how that would freak a girl out too. What this troper Troper can not understand is why if you're so freaked out, sickened, and repulsed by nauseating shapeshifter goop and unwanted cannibalistic urges, your very first impulse is to go run to a vampire and stuff his penis into your mouth. That's the first sexual act Anita performs for JC. Call me nutty, but that just never made a whole lot of sense to me. And to this day people still ''defend'' her, like somehow it was Richard's fault that Anita betrayed him and went to slobber down Jean-Claude's pole(amongst pole (amongst other things) after he finally did what she was constantly badgering him to do. Keep in mind, that Jean-Claude is for all practical intents and purposes a walking corpse. So she ran off to fellate cold, dead penis. Clearly she couldn't have been ''too'' sickened/traumatized/repulsed by the experience with Richard Richard, could she? And then adding insult to injury, when Richard is very understandably is angry about her betrayal she has the nerve to point her gun at him and go into '[[AxCrazy I'm a stonecold stone cold killer and i'll I'll even kill you and sleep like a baby afterwards]]' mode on him. For mercy's sake, you just finished blowing(amongst blowing (amongst other things) another man, and you can't even let Richard vent a little on the furniture? What the hell, hero? WhatTheHellHero? It used to upset me, but after Richard's epic CharacterDerailment, it doesn't even matter anymore.



* IJBM that in one of the post-Shark-Jumping novels, Jean Claude has to ask Anita for permission to have sex with Asher. Let me say that again: ''permission''. Mind you, this is a 400 year old vampire asking permission to sleep with someone he has been in love with for longer than Anita has been alive. Now, granted, it makes sense that he would have a discussion with her about taking another lover because that's what a polygamous couple ''should'' be doing--being honest. But permission? I find that incredibly insulting for Jean Claude, even if he himself doesn't see it that way. I hate that he stopped being a ManipulativeBastard and turned into Anita's booty-on-the-side when she's not boinking every other thing with a penis--[[spoiler: and as of ''Bullet'', she has now included vaginas as well.]] Jean Claude is a grown damn vampire and he should not have had to grovel at her feet to ask to be in a relationship that existed way before her sarcastic ass came in the picture. And furthermore, it's ridiculous considering Anita has so many partners at this point in the series that I literally cannot name them all and Jean Claude doesn't even sleep around so taking Asher to bed with him is far more reasonable than what Anita does on a daily (and sometimes, hourly) basis.

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* IJBM that in one of the post-Shark-Jumping novels, Jean Claude has to ask Anita for permission to have sex with Asher. Let me say that again: ''permission''. Mind you, this is a 400 year old 400-year-old vampire asking permission to sleep with someone he has been in love with for longer than Anita has been alive. Now, granted, it makes sense that he would have a discussion with her about taking another lover because that's what a polygamous couple ''should'' be doing--being honest. But permission? I find that incredibly insulting for Jean Claude, even if he himself doesn't see it that way. I hate that he stopped being a ManipulativeBastard and turned into Anita's booty-on-the-side when she's not boinking every other thing with a penis--[[spoiler: and as of ''Bullet'', she has now included vaginas as well.]] Jean Claude is a grown damn vampire and he should not have had to grovel at her feet to ask to be in a relationship that existed way before her sarcastic ass came in the picture. And furthermore, it's ridiculous considering Anita has so many partners at this point in the series that I literally cannot name them all and Jean Claude doesn't even sleep around so taking Asher to bed with him is far more reasonable than what Anita does on a daily (and sometimes, hourly) basis.



** Isn't Asher the vamp that more-or-less lost his free will because he's now Anita-powered? The one who can't hardly feed or dress himself without asking for permission? I've not touched the series since ''ObsidianButterfly'' came out in paperback, so I may be misremembering, but if that's the vampire, then it's less that Jean-Claude needs permission than Asher the half-burned doll needs permission.

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** Isn't Asher the vamp that more-or-less lost his free will because he's now Anita-powered? The one who can't hardly feed or dress himself without asking for permission? I've not touched the series since ''ObsidianButterfly'' ''Obsidian Butterfly'' came out in paperback, so I may be misremembering, but if that's the vampire, then it's less that Jean-Claude needs permission than Asher the half-burned doll needs permission.



* [dr] Have you ever noticed that when Anita is travelling around alone, nobody who is outside the list of main characters, except for bad guys notice her? So she is walking around and everybody SHOULD know her face, but most do not stop and watch her walk by. It really gets on my nerves because she is a big-shot celebrity and nobody really gives her the attention she deserves... and I guess people noticing her is overshadowed by "The author over-amplifying the details of characters". So nobody stops and stares at her, while she is staring at somebody else to see every damn detail. This includes the Harlequin, where they are at the theatre. Nobody crowds her. And after the movie, a couple come to Anita and Nathaniel, but do not notice Anita as Marshal Anita Blake, just some girl.

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* [dr] Have you ever noticed that when Anita is travelling around alone, nobody who is outside the list of main characters, except for bad guys notice her? So she is walking around and everybody SHOULD know her face, but most do not stop and watch her walk by. It really gets on my nerves because she is a big-shot celebrity and nobody really gives her the attention she deserves... and I guess people noticing her is overshadowed by "The author over-amplifying the details of characters". So nobody stops and stares at her, while she is staring at somebody else to see every damn detail. This includes the Harlequin, where they are at the theatre. Nobody crowds her. And after the movie, a couple come to Anita and Nathaniel, but do not notice Anita as Marshal Anita Blake, just some girl.



* In Narcissus in Chains it's mentioned that Micah is as short as Anita is. I'm having trouble finding out Anita's exact height, but the comic database lists her as 5'2", which is ''very'' short for a grown man like Micah. Yet his height (or lack thereof) doesn't seem to be remarkable, let alone a focus of angst the way Anita does for her own height.

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* In Narcissus ''Narcissus in Chains Chains'' it's mentioned that Micah is as short as Anita is. I'm having trouble finding out Anita's exact height, but the comic database lists her as 5'2", which is ''very'' short for a grown man like Micah. Yet his height (or lack thereof) doesn't seem to be remarkable, let alone a focus of angst the way Anita does for her own height.



* Does this woman ever get her period? I mean, she apparently has sex multiple times a day and seems prone to marathon magical orgies. . .

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* Does this woman ever get her period? I mean, she apparently has sex multiple times a day and seems prone to marathon magical orgies. . .orgies....



** The leopard pard (pack) was demoralized and abused into utter submission by their evil leader. Once Anita killed him, there was no one was wasn't such a broken abuse survivor they could actually take over and lead (the only one who tried emulated the abuser's example, then broke down completely once Anita established dominance over him.) Somewhat UnfortunateImplications, but understandable.

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** The leopard pard (pack) was demoralized and abused into utter submission by their evil leader. Once Anita killed him, there was no one was who wasn't such a broken abuse survivor they could actually take over and lead (the only one who tried emulated the abuser's example, then broke down completely once Anita established dominance over him.) Somewhat UnfortunateImplications, but understandable.
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*** "I couldn't help myself; I apologize for that one," after a 'jab' that was noting that, yeah, she's not the only one to get inspiration from a dream, and knows what a good number of the audience was thinking. Also, upon watching that...she said she's not a pedophile as a very clear message for her agent to give to people who wanted her to write tween books (10-11 by their definition), and then suggesting that the 10- and 11-year-olds would move on to ''AnitaBlake'', or '''''MerryGentry'''''. She didn't want to expose little kids to sex.

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*** "I couldn't help myself; I apologize for that one," after a 'jab' that was noting that, yeah, she's not the only one to get inspiration from a dream, and knows what a good number of the audience was thinking. Also, upon watching that...she said she's not a pedophile as a very clear message for her agent to give to people who wanted her to write tween books (10-11 by their definition), and then suggesting that the 10- and 11-year-olds would move on to ''AnitaBlake'', ''Literature/AnitaBlake'', or '''''MerryGentry'''''. She didn't want to expose little kids to sex.
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** Because they're human, too. It'd be the same reason Nikolaos couldn't control the wererats. Also, courtesy of TheOtherWiki, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Wolf#Social_structure "While most breeding pairs are monogamous, there are exceptions."]]

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** Because they're human, too. It'd be the same reason Nikolaos couldn't control the wererats. Also, courtesy of TheOtherWiki, Wiki/TheOtherWiki, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Wolf#Social_structure "While most breeding pairs are monogamous, there are exceptions."]]

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** A fair point until about Incubus Dreams or so (and probably explained by Anita's denial issues) but given the accelerated healing Anita now has, any kind of internal birth control might go badly, and the patch or shot might not work. Getting her tubes tied is possible, but while we know lycanthropes can get vasectomies, like with the internal birth control we don't know what the healing factor might do if she gets her tubes tied.



* IJBM: Jean-Claude is {{Costume Porn}} guy. Every time he can, he's dressing as many people up like dolls as possible. It's clear that he likes high quality clothing and knows a lot about it. So why is the lace he picks out constantly refereed to as "scratchy" or "not soft?" One of the marks of high quality lace is that it's soft to the touch and won't abrade skin. It's probably just poor research but it still bugs me.

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** It doesn't, but given that after the incidents in question it was the best thing to hand in the short-term, it's better than nothing at all.
* IJBM: Jean-Claude is {{Costume Porn}} guy. Every time he can, he's dressing as many people up like dolls as possible. It's clear that he likes high quality clothing and knows a lot about it. So why is the lace he picks out constantly refereed referred to as "scratchy" or "not soft?" One of the marks of high quality lace is that it's soft to the touch and won't abrade skin. It's probably just poor research but it still bugs me.
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*** ''Humans are generally monogamous'' are we? Or is it just our society and culture that has made us this way? There have been numerous societies throughout history that have been happily polygamous or bigamous, including a few that still exist in the Middle East. And don't forget that it has only been about fifty years since ''free love'' was a thing in America; it failing to take hold is not definitive proof of how naturally monogamous humans are, as things like religion, STDs and the conservative values of the time all had a hand.

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*** ''Humans are generally monogamous'' are we? Or is it just our society and culture that has made us this way? There have been numerous societies throughout history that have been happily polygamous or bigamous, including a few that still exist in the Middle East. And don't forget that it has only been about fifty years since ''free love'' was a thing in America; it failing to take hold is not definitive proof of how naturally monogamous humans are, as things like religion, STDs STD's and the conservative values of the time all had a hand.
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*** ''Humans are generally monogamous'' are we? Or is it just our society and culture that has made us this way? There have been numerous societies throughout history that have been happily polygamous or bigamous, including a few that still exist in the Middle East. And don't forget that it has only been about fifty years since ''free love'' was a thing in America; it failing to take hold is not definitive proof of how naturally monogamous humans are, as things like religion, STDs and the conservative values of the time all had a hand.
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*** I think so, too. Not the prowess in the sack: sex with Anita invokes dangerous magic, and even powerful guys can end up hopeleslly in love with her. So, newbies... they probably could have their mind fuses blown or something.
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** The leopard pard (pack) was demoralized and abused into utter submission by their evil leader. Once Anita killed him, there was no one was wasn't such a broken abuse survivor they could actually take over and lead (the only one who tried emulated the abuser's example, then broke down completely once Anita established dominance over him.) Somewhat UnfortunateImplications, but understandable.
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** Zombies are really bad at answering questions, basically. You essentially have to "lead the witness," which is something the opposition can use to demolish the case. And if the zombie was the victim of the murder, the only thing they care about is finding and killing their murderer. No point in raising them in the first place, since they won't answer any questions, just try and kill whoever killed them. Even if zombies do have supernatural "sense my killer's location" senses (never stated one way or another), using the zombie to locate the killer, even if you had some way of stopping them on hand (incredibly difficult) wouldn't likely be admissible in court.
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** BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor. Anita wanted Richard to kill Marcus to protect himself and the other werewolves, Richard tried telling her again and again that not only he didn't want to, but it wasn't going to be what she thought. Werewolves ripping each other to shreds is a very different animal (pun slightly intended) from just shooting someone dead. Anita simply wasn't prepared for the sheer brutality of what killing Marcus met within the rituals of werewolf pack dominance fights. While Jean-Claude is a vampire, vampires are a lot more neat about their violence (on most occasions.) Also, it makes a lot of sense thematically. Richard and Jean-Claude are opposites. Richard is warm and alive, Jean-Claude cold and dead. Richard detests what he is and doesn't want power for himself, Jean-Claude (at least seems to) enjoy being a vampire, and constantly seeks to gain more power. When Richard completely shocks Anita by shapeshifting on top of her then leading the whole pack in eating Marcus' dead body, she naturally runs to the exact opposite person in her life. Also, it ''is'' partially Richard's fault, since he kept telling Anita she needed to see him shift before they could proceed to getting married, but he could have done it in a less horrific fashion. Doesn't excuse Anita's actions per se, but does make them more understandable.
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** Probably that, with as many lines as Anita has crossed where her personal morality is concerned, she wants to cling to ''some'' of them, such as not fucking some random guy who's never had sex before just because someone else wants it to happen. Also, because Laurell K. Hamilton is running out of thing for Anita to angst about.
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** A lot of writers (and actors, too) treat their character's like real people. It's a way to keep them real on the page (or screen), make them seem less like mobile props just there to serve the story. A lot of authors have had moments where they wanted a story to go in a particular direction, only to realize the character's won't bend that way, and a lot of actors have moments where they realize that their character would never say or do something the story requires of them. Hamilton make take it UpToEleven, but it's hardly uncommon.
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* Leopards are powerful, deadly predators. So why are the people who can turn into leopards such helpless weenies? Why do they ''need'' Anita to protect them? They're the ones with the fangs and claws!

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* Leopards are powerful, deadly predators. So why are the people who can turn into leopards such helpless weenies? Why do they ''need'' Anita to protect them? They're the ones with the fangs and claws!claws!
* As mentioned in the main page under HollywoodLaw, the various vampires and werewolves and other supernatural creatures (except for demons) are all supposed to be taxpaying US citizens,yet Jean-Claude regularly has people summoned to his presence by the expedience of sending a heavily armed thug (Anita) or a powerful vampire (Asher) to retrieve them, often against their will. That's kidnapping. But no one ever thinks to call the cops afterward. Likewise, the entire idea that a vampire or werewolf has to get "permission" from the local vampire lord or werewolf pack leader before moving into a new territory is also a violation of civil rights. One can imagine a vampire or werewolf who is new to the Saint Louis area, and who has been harassed and/or threatened because they didn't get approval first suing Jean-Claude or Richard Zeeman for their entire net worth because of civil rights violations. Why is this never brought up?
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** Its both a MoralEventHorizon on Anita's part and ValuesDissonance. The different kinds of were groups dont function like human society. Democracy is nice but vampires and weres can be controlled by anyone more powerful. That Werelion Pride was functionally useless, requiring protection just to keep from being taken oven by other Werelions. In a world where AsskickingEqualsAuthority they sucked. Anita had the protection removed after the Rex had betrayed her, leaving Her and most of the Vampires to die rather than cheat on his wife. Thats another problem as monogamy isnt something that lions have. If anyone else has been leader of that Werelion Pride they likely would have a harem of woman, like real lion prides. Basically the guy was TooDumbToLive as a werelion.
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** This Troper misread the above spoiler to mean "Anita has grown extra vaginas to accommodate all her lovers." The kicker was that this didn't even seem like an unlikely or ridiculous development in light of all the other mad sexy powers happening in this series.
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* So Richard got added because Anita was "becoming too attracted" to Jean-Claude, who LKH didn't like much, at the time. Richard's character got raped because he was based on LKH's ex, who she hates now. She went with Jean-Claude as the "main" pairing for Anita because of reasons. What I want to know is, if you create a character whose species is necromancer, who is inherently attracted to the dead, and you create an attractive, sex-god of a vampire...why the fuck are you surprised when she's attracted to him?! Especially if you're as unhealthily invested in your characters as LKH seems to be. So fucking much of this could all have been avoided if LKH had just, IDK, killed Jean-Claude off while she still hated him. Or just accepted that Anita would be attracted to him, and went with that. Also? What happened to Nathanial being the submissive to end all submissives?

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* So Richard got added because Anita was "becoming too attracted" to Jean-Claude, who LKH didn't like much, at the time. Richard's character got raped because he was based on LKH's ex, who she hates now. She went with Jean-Claude as the "main" pairing for Anita because of reasons. What I want to know is, if you create a character whose species is necromancer, who is inherently attracted to the dead, and you create an attractive, sex-god of a vampire...why the fuck are you surprised when she's attracted to him?! Especially if you're as unhealthily invested in your characters as LKH seems to be. So fucking much of this could all have been avoided if LKH had just, IDK, killed Jean-Claude off while she still hated him. Or just accepted that Anita would be attracted to him, and went with that. Also? What happened to Nathanial being the submissive to end all submissives?submissives?
* Leopards are powerful, deadly predators. So why are the people who can turn into leopards such helpless weenies? Why do they ''need'' Anita to protect them? They're the ones with the fangs and claws!
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** I thought that was mentioned in one of the first books. It isn't done because reanimated witnesses are already worse at accurately remembering things than living witnesses, and the more brutal or painful their death the worse this factor gets, compounded with the snag that if someone is shot in the dark or stabbed in the back or poisoned or killed in some other way that doesn't give them a good look at their killer they wouldn't be able to add any useful information anyway.

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** I thought that was mentioned in one of the first books. It isn't done because reanimated witnesses are already worse at accurately remembering things than living witnesses, witnesses (whom are '''already''' terrifyingly awful at giving helpful recall), and the more brutal or painful their death the worse this factor gets, compounded with the snag that if someone is shot in the dark or stabbed in the back or poisoned or killed in some other way that doesn't give them a good look at their killer they wouldn't be able to add any useful information anyway.
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** I thought that was mentioned in one of the first books. It isn't done because reanimated witnesses are already worse at accurately remembering things than living witnesses, and the more brutal or painful their death the worse this factor gets, compounded with the snag that if someone is shot in the dark or stabbed in the back or poisoned or killed in some other way that doesn't give them a good look at their killer they wouldn't be able to add any useful information anyway.
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** It was the last straw for this troper. That was the point when Anita became just another exploitative, domineering supernatural ruler who only helps those she rules to the extent it benefits her.

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** It was the last straw for this troper. That was the point when [[HeWhoFightsMonsters Anita became just another exploitative, domineering supernatural ruler ruler]] who only helps those she rules to the extent it benefits her.
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** She started taking birth control a few books in, although I think a missed period was once a source of drama for a bit? (Someone correct this if I'm wrong.)

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** She started taking birth control a few books in, although I think a missed period was once a source of drama for a bit? (Someone correct this if I'm wrong.))
* So Richard got added because Anita was "becoming too attracted" to Jean-Claude, who LKH didn't like much, at the time. Richard's character got raped because he was based on LKH's ex, who she hates now. She went with Jean-Claude as the "main" pairing for Anita because of reasons. What I want to know is, if you create a character whose species is necromancer, who is inherently attracted to the dead, and you create an attractive, sex-god of a vampire...why the fuck are you surprised when she's attracted to him?! Especially if you're as unhealthily invested in your characters as LKH seems to be. So fucking much of this could all have been avoided if LKH had just, IDK, killed Jean-Claude off while she still hated him. Or just accepted that Anita would be attracted to him, and went with that. Also? What happened to Nathanial being the submissive to end all submissives?
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* Does this woman ever get her period? I mean, she apparently has sex multiple times a day and seems prone to marathon magical orgies. . .

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* Does this woman ever get her period? I mean, she apparently has sex multiple times a day and seems prone to marathon magical orgies. . . .
** She started taking birth control a few books in, although I think a missed period was once a source of drama for a bit? (Someone correct this if I'm wrong.)

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