History Headscratchers / AceAttorney

31st Oct '17 5:49:46 AM NNinja
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** They don't know either. This is more "we were friends in childhood and still kinda know each other" kind of friendship. There is no reason to assume that they keep in touch on regular basis, in fact most of their meetings are entirely coincidental, And both Phoenix and Miles doesn't seem particularly happy to see him.
23rd Oct '17 3:25:38 AM jamescamera
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*** Perhaps this comes from having recently played ''VideoGame/YoKaiWatch'' though, in which the entire attempt to act like it takes place in America despite so very obviously taking place in Japan really IS as glaring as a sore thumb (See ThinlyVeiledCountryDubChange to see just how bad it gets in that franchise). It gives you an appreciation for how subtly Ace Attorney actually did do it when you see something like that, where it's not just ''insanely, ridiculously'' obvious, but also flat out doesn't even make sense a lot of the time. I know Ace Attorney and Yokai Watch are wildly different franchises, but the point stands. YW is an example of a "dub change" ''actually'' done in a thinly veined way. In reality with Ace Attorney it's more something that the fandom has wildly exaggerated into a meme. (Just to point out, I actually [[TropesAreTools like Yokai Watch]] so I'm not bashing that franchise here, I'm just making a point).

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*** Perhaps this comes from having recently played ''VideoGame/YoKaiWatch'' though, in which the entire attempt to act like it takes place in America despite so very obviously taking place in Japan really IS as glaring as a sore thumb (See ThinlyVeiledCountryDubChange to see just how bad it gets in that franchise). It gives you an appreciation for how subtly Ace Attorney actually did do it when you see something like that, where it's not just ''insanely, ridiculously'' obvious, but also flat out doesn't even make sense a lot of the time. I know Ace Attorney and Yokai Watch are wildly different franchises, but the point stands. YW is an example of a "dub change" ''actually'' done in a thinly veined way. In reality with Ace Attorney it's more something that the fandom has wildly exaggerated into a meme.you know. (Just to point out, I actually [[TropesAreTools like Yokai Watch]] so I'm not bashing that franchise here, I'm just making a point).
23rd Oct '17 3:23:45 AM jamescamera
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*** I never understood the issue with Nine Tails Vale myself. Even if you don't take into account the entire "AU where Japanese culture flourished" thing, there's places like Nine Tails Vale in our ''real world Ameirca''. Maybe not quite so distinctive in it's own culture, but it wouldn't look that out of place in a place like Little Tokyo, as some sort of tourist spot. The same thing with the rakugo theater in Turnabout Storyteller, it'd definitely fit in a place like that. In an AU version of L.A where that kinda thing has flourished even more so then real life, it seems completely reasonable that those kinda places could exist as their own full locations. And the thing with Tenma Taro was clearly brought over from Japan, by the immigrants who ended up founding the village, incidentally. I never understood why it was so exaggerated myself either. Perhaps this comes from having recently played ''VideoGame/YoKaiWatch'' though, in which the entire attempt to act like it takes place in America despite so very obviously taking place in Japan really IS as glaring as a sore thumb. It gives you an appreciation for how subtly Ace Attorney actually did do it when you see something like that.

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*** I never understood the issue with Nine Tails Vale myself. Even if you don't take into account the entire "AU where Japanese culture flourished" thing, there's places like Nine Tails Vale in our ''real world Ameirca''. Maybe not quite so distinctive in it's own culture, but it wouldn't look that out of place in a place like Little Tokyo, as some sort of tourist spot. The same thing with the rakugo theater in Turnabout Storyteller, it'd definitely fit in a place like that. In an AU version of L.A where that kinda thing has flourished even more so then real life, it seems completely reasonable that those kinda places could exist as their own full locations. And the thing with Tenma Taro was clearly brought over from Japan, by the immigrants who ended up founding the village, incidentally. I never understood why it was so exaggerated myself either.
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Perhaps this comes from having recently played ''VideoGame/YoKaiWatch'' though, in which the entire attempt to act like it takes place in America despite so very obviously taking place in Japan really IS as glaring as a sore thumb. thumb (See ThinlyVeiledCountryDubChange to see just how bad it gets in that franchise). It gives you an appreciation for how subtly Ace Attorney actually did do it when you see something like that. that, where it's not just ''insanely, ridiculously'' obvious, but also flat out doesn't even make sense a lot of the time. I know Ace Attorney and Yokai Watch are wildly different franchises, but the point stands. YW is an example of a "dub change" ''actually'' done in a thinly veined way. In reality with Ace Attorney it's more something that the fandom has wildly exaggerated into a meme. (Just to point out, I actually [[TropesAreTools like Yokai Watch]] so I'm not bashing that franchise here, I'm just making a point).
21st Oct '17 6:10:16 PM jamescamera
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** Particularly egregious is the fact that Phoenix has never even heard of DL-6, despite the fact that the father of one of his best friends was the victim.

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** Particularly egregious is the fact that Phoenix has never even heard of DL-6, despite the fact that the father of one of his best friends was the victim.victim.
*** Well to be fair on this point at least, he was only 9 at the time DL-6 occurred. If I recall, mentions something along the lines of how Edgeworth transferred schools after the incident, but neither him nor Larry knew why. I can buy that he at least didn't know what was going on at the time. But it's true that once Phoenix started actively looking into Edgeworth's past that he should've at some point stumbled upon the fact that a lawyer with the same last name was murdered around around the same time that Edgeworth had transferred schools, and put two and two together. Just a search for "Edgeworth" should've turned up a crap ton about the DL-6 incident, given how big of a deal the case was at the time.
21st Oct '17 5:40:32 PM TaylorHyuuga
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* Why is it that none of the protagonists and their assistants ever seen to know anything about major past incidents that you'd imagine everyone in all of the ''country'' should've heard about, let alone citizens of the city where they actually happened. The SL-9 incident - A major serial killing that happened 2 years ago. Phoenix doesn't know about. Movie star dies (yes, the fact that it was an accident caused by Hammer was covered up, but I doubt they literally covered up the fact that the guy died) - Phoenix doesn't know about it. Murder of an important researcher at a local federal space center - Phoenix doesn't know about it. Orca suposedly kills someone during a public performance - Phoenix doesn't know about it--Yeah, you get the idea.

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* Why is it that none of the protagonists and their assistants ever seen to know anything about major past incidents that you'd imagine everyone in all of the ''country'' should've heard about, let alone citizens of the city where they actually happened. The SL-9 incident - A major serial killing that happened 2 years ago. Phoenix doesn't know about. Movie star dies (yes, the fact that it was an accident caused by Hammer was covered up, but I doubt they literally covered up the fact that the guy died) - Phoenix doesn't know about it. Murder of an important researcher at a local federal space center - Phoenix doesn't know about it. Orca suposedly supposedly kills someone during a public performance - Phoenix doesn't know about it--Yeah, you get the idea.idea.
** Particularly egregious is the fact that Phoenix has never even heard of DL-6, despite the fact that the father of one of his best friends was the victim.
21st Oct '17 5:16:16 PM jamescamera
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* Why are Phoenix and Edgeworth even still friends with a guy they consider to be a pathetic, miserable, womanizing man child that ruins their lives on a constant basis(aka, Larry), when literally the only positive thing either of them can say about him is that he wouldn't commit murder. More over, why is it a running theme in the games themselves to have the two bring this up as though it solidifies their friendships. "He wouldn't kill people" is pretty flimsy as literally the only foundation for maintaining a toxic friendship, don't ya think?

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* Why are Phoenix and Edgeworth even still friends with a guy they consider to be a pathetic, miserable, womanizing man child that ruins their lives on a constant basis(aka, Larry), when literally the only positive thing either of them can say about him is that he wouldn't commit murder. More over, why is it a running theme in the games themselves to have the two bring this up as though it solidifies their friendships. "He wouldn't kill people" is pretty flimsy as literally the only foundation for maintaining a toxic friendship, don't ya think?think?
* Why is it that none of the protagonists and their assistants ever seen to know anything about major past incidents that you'd imagine everyone in all of the ''country'' should've heard about, let alone citizens of the city where they actually happened. The SL-9 incident - A major serial killing that happened 2 years ago. Phoenix doesn't know about. Movie star dies (yes, the fact that it was an accident caused by Hammer was covered up, but I doubt they literally covered up the fact that the guy died) - Phoenix doesn't know about it. Murder of an important researcher at a local federal space center - Phoenix doesn't know about it. Orca suposedly kills someone during a public performance - Phoenix doesn't know about it--Yeah, you get the idea.
12th Oct '17 7:05:45 AM CosmicFerret
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* Not as much an ItJustBugsMe as an I'm kind of curious: Do you think Maya and [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Ema]] will ever be in the same game besides maybe brief cameos (since they both appeared in ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'', Maya via flashback). I just think it would be [[ScienceVsMagic interesting to see them interact]]. I can't be the only one right?

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* Not as much an ItJustBugsMe a [[Headscratchers/HomePage Headscratcher]] as an I'm kind of curious: Do you think Maya and [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Ema]] will ever be in the same game besides maybe brief cameos (since they both appeared in ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'', Maya via flashback). I just think it would be [[ScienceVsMagic interesting to see them interact]]. I can't be the only one right?
10th Oct '17 5:06:22 AM nowaymanguy
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----* Why are Phoenix and Edgeworth even still friends with a guy they consider to be a pathetic, miserable, womanizing man child that ruins their lives on a constant basis(aka, Larry), when literally the only positive thing either of them can say about him is that he wouldn't commit murder. More over, why is it a running theme in the games themselves to have the two bring this up as though it solidifies their friendships. "He wouldn't kill people" is pretty flimsy as literally the only foundation for maintaining a toxic friendship, don't ya think?
26th Sep '17 12:57:24 AM nowaymanguy
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** Either this or the comment "...all this is Ace Attorney we're talking about", which I've seen about quite a lot as well. Personally I don't get why people seem to treat the series like it's a huge illogical joke either. I think one of the contributing factors (although not necessarily the only thing) is the[[RealityIsUnrealistic Japanese inspired legal world that comes across as over the top and wacky to Westerners]]. Which is especially true with most of the legal procedures in the games. To western players they come across as obviously wacky aspects of a fictional KangarooCourt, even though most of them are exactly how the law works in Japan. This goes right down to the concept of an attorney's badge, an aspect you'll often see western players consider bizarre, despite this being the exact same badge worn by attorneys in Japan in real life. People tend to put a lot of the stuff in the games down to "Ace Attorney's made up wackiness", even when it's taken directly from real life Japanese law without any exaggeration. I think in general, this disconnect gives a lot of people in the West a pretty exaggerate idea of how over the top Ace Attorney actually is, especially compared to the Japanese fan base. This along with the fact that the Japanese are just [[JapanLikesTingle more generally accepting of this kind of style of game in general]]. Not to mention they don't have to deal with people constantly flinging the (in this troper's opinion) unfair idea of how the localization does a horrible job of hiding the fact the game takes place in Japan. Which doesn't really help with the series's overall wacky status that it seems to have a lot of the time.

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** Either this or the comment "...all this is Ace Attorney we're talking about", which I've seen about quite a lot as well. Personally I don't get why people seem to treat the series like it's a huge illogical joke either. I think one of the contributing factors (although not necessarily the only thing) is the[[RealityIsUnrealistic Japanese inspired legal world that comes across as over the top and wacky to Westerners]]. Which is especially true with most of the legal procedures in the games. To western players they come across as obviously wacky aspects of a fictional KangarooCourt, even though most of them are exactly how the law works in Japan. This goes right down to the concept of an attorney's badge, an aspect you'll often see western players consider bizarre, despite this being the exact same badge worn by attorneys in Japan in real life. People tend to put a lot of the stuff in the games down to "Ace Attorney's made up wackiness", even when it's taken directly from real life Japanese law without any exaggeration. I think in general, this disconnect gives a lot of people in the West a pretty exaggerate idea of how over the top Ace Attorney actually is, especially compared to the Japanese fan base. This along with the fact that the Japanese are just [[JapanLikesTingle [[AmericansHateTingle more generally accepting of this kind of style of game in general]]. Not to mention they don't have to deal with people constantly flinging the (in this troper's opinion) unfair idea of how the localization does a horrible job of hiding the fact the game takes place in Japan. tired and old memes relating to the "thiny veiled localization". Which doesn't really help with the series's overall wacky status that it seems to have a lot of the time.time in the West.
26th Sep '17 12:53:08 AM nowaymanguy
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** Either this or the comment "...all this is Ace Attorney we're talking about", which I've seen about quite a lot as well. Personally I don't get it either. I think one of the contributing factors (although not necessarily the only thing) is the[[RealityIsUnrealistic Japanese inspired legal world that comes across as over the top and wacky to Westerners]]. Which is especially true with most of the legal procedures in the games. To western players they come across as obviously wacky aspects of a fictional KangarooCourt, even though most of them are exactly how the law works in Japan. This goes right down to the concept of an attorney's badge, an aspect you'll often see western players consider bizarre, despite this being the exact same badge worn by attorneys in Japan in real life. People tend to put a lot of the stuff in the games down to "Ace Attorney's made up wackiness", even when it's taken directly from real life Japanese law without any exaggeration.

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** Either this or the comment "...all this is Ace Attorney we're talking about", which I've seen about quite a lot as well. Personally I don't get it why people seem to treat the series like it's a huge illogical joke either. I think one of the contributing factors (although not necessarily the only thing) is the[[RealityIsUnrealistic Japanese inspired legal world that comes across as over the top and wacky to Westerners]]. Which is especially true with most of the legal procedures in the games. To western players they come across as obviously wacky aspects of a fictional KangarooCourt, even though most of them are exactly how the law works in Japan. This goes right down to the concept of an attorney's badge, an aspect you'll often see western players consider bizarre, despite this being the exact same badge worn by attorneys in Japan in real life. People tend to put a lot of the stuff in the games down to "Ace Attorney's made up wackiness", even when it's taken directly from real life Japanese law without any exaggeration. I think in general, this disconnect gives a lot of people in the West a pretty exaggerate idea of how over the top Ace Attorney actually is, especially compared to the Japanese fan base. This along with the fact that the Japanese are just [[JapanLikesTingle more generally accepting of this kind of style of game in general]]. Not to mention they don't have to deal with people constantly flinging the (in this troper's opinion) unfair idea of how the localization does a horrible job of hiding the fact the game takes place in Japan. Which doesn't really help with the series's overall wacky status that it seems to have a lot of the time.
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