History Headscratchers / AceAttorney

10th Jun '18 10:30:23 AM accounttocorrectstuff
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* Is there no such thing as "conflict of interest" in the game's legal system? Aside from Phoenix defending in cases where the victim is his employer or the defendant is his employee, we have Manfred von Karma prosecuting his adopted son, Edgeworth sitting opposite his "little sister" Franziska in 3-5, and in 4-4 we have Apollo defending in a case where he discovered the body, and Klavier prosecuting a case where both the defendant and the real guilty party are both band mates of his.

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* Is there no such thing as "conflict of interest" in the game's legal system? Aside from Phoenix defending in cases where the victim is his employer or the defendant is his employee, we have Manfred von Karma prosecuting his adopted son, Edgeworth sitting opposite his "little sister" Franziska in 3-5, and in 4-4 4-3 we have Apollo defending in a case where he discovered the body, and Klavier prosecuting a case where both the defendant and the real guilty party are both band mates of his.


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** Also, don't forget that the Magatama CAN be fooled if one asks the wrong questions, as shown in 2-4.
5th May '18 5:58:15 AM themerryman
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*** Which wasn't submitted into evidence. Phoenix just started reading out the list of names with no context as to what they were or why they were relevant. It defeated Redd White because he didn't want to reveal exactly what linked those names together (i.e.[[spoiler: That Redd White was blackmailing them all]]) because of the repurcussions that would have

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*** Which wasn't submitted into evidence. Phoenix just started reading out the list of names with no context as to what they were or why they were relevant. It defeated Redd White because he didn't want to reveal exactly what linked those names together (i.e.[[spoiler: That Redd White was blackmailing them all]]) because of the repurcussions that would havehave.
*** Exactly. He doesn't actually submit the list as evidence, he just uses it to get Redd White to confess, which is cheating the system a little, but isn't actually breaking it. It's the same kinda thing as in 2-2, when Franziska shows the illegal picture she took to the court, but doesn't actually submit it as evidence, to burn the implications into the everyone's minds.
4th May '18 6:02:34 AM themerryman
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*** I guess so. I just feel like it's been run into the ground by this point. As charming as it is, it sort of stops being funny when you see people make the exact same exaggerated jabs over and over again for 10+ years, it just starts seeming a bit petty. Well, perhaps "petty" is a strong way of putting it. "Unfunny & repetitive", I guess? Just generally annoying, basically. Yeah, I like to make those jabs myself sometimes, but having the entire fandom scream them out at every chance it gets starts to get a grating, after a while. Like, imagine if you tabbed a friend about something as a joke, and it become a in-joke between your group of friends. It's funny for a ''while'' but if it continues for ages and is brought up all the time, the target is gonna get annoyed, and it'll very quickly dissolve into seemingly like your whipping a dead horse, and it just goes from a joke to seeming a bit petty. Like, "okay guys, we get it, it's easy to tell the location was changed in localization, I think after 10+ years of hearing that same jab I've sort of get the message, can you shut up about it now?".

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*** I guess so. I just feel like it's been run into the ground by this point. As charming as it is, it sort of stops being funny when you see people make the exact same exaggerated jabs over and over again for 10+ years, it just starts seeming a bit petty. Well, perhaps "petty" is a strong way of putting it. "Unfunny & repetitive", I guess? Just generally annoying, basically. Yeah, I like to make those jabs myself sometimes, but having the entire fandom scream them out at every chance it gets starts to get a grating, after a while. Like, imagine if you tabbed jabbed a friend about something as a joke, and it become a in-joke between your group of friends. It's funny for a ''while'' but if it continues for ages and is brought up all the time, the target is gonna get annoyed, and it'll very quickly dissolve into seemingly like your whipping a dead horse, and it just goes from a joke to seeming a bit petty. Like, "okay guys, we get it, it's easy to tell the location was changed in localization, I think after 10+ years of hearing that same jab I've sort of get the message, can you shut up about it now?".
4th May '18 6:01:41 AM themerryman
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*** I guess so. I just feel like it's been run into the ground by this point. As charming as it is, it sort of stops being funny when you see people make the exact same exaggerated jabs over and over again for 10+ years, it just starts seeming a bit petty. Well, perhaps "petty" is a strong way of putting it. "Unfunny & repetitive", I guess? Just generally annoying, basically. Yeah, I like to make those jabs myself sometimes, but having the entire fandom scream them out at every chance it gets starts to get a grating, after a while.

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*** I guess so. I just feel like it's been run into the ground by this point. As charming as it is, it sort of stops being funny when you see people make the exact same exaggerated jabs over and over again for 10+ years, it just starts seeming a bit petty. Well, perhaps "petty" is a strong way of putting it. "Unfunny & repetitive", I guess? Just generally annoying, basically. Yeah, I like to make those jabs myself sometimes, but having the entire fandom scream them out at every chance it gets starts to get a grating, after a while. Like, imagine if you tabbed a friend about something as a joke, and it become a in-joke between your group of friends. It's funny for a ''while'' but if it continues for ages and is brought up all the time, the target is gonna get annoyed, and it'll very quickly dissolve into seemingly like your whipping a dead horse, and it just goes from a joke to seeming a bit petty. Like, "okay guys, we get it, it's easy to tell the location was changed in localization, I think after 10+ years of hearing that same jab I've sort of get the message, can you shut up about it now?".
4th May '18 4:46:05 AM themerryman
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** "Everyone knows that spirit channeling is real". No, they don't, the average person doesn't believe in it. This was discussed a good number of times in the first three games. Maya specifically tells Phoenix in 2-2 that most people think spirit channeling is all made up. Before the point of 3-5, at least, the Judge and basically everyone else for that matter would've been included under that. Remember that in case 2-2, the judge never actually definitely concludes one way or the other as to whether Franziska's claim that Maya could channel spirits was true or not. Specifically, he's just flat out confused, and isn't sure what to think. There's next to no way that Phoenix would've been believed if he tried claiming that he had a magic stone that some little girl zapped magical secret detecting powers into. He'd come across as completely insane. Even ''after'' the events of 3-5, in fact, since it's kind of a leap to go from what's exposed to the courtroom in that case to what the magatama is and can do.

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** "Everyone knows that spirit channeling is real". No, they don't, the average person doesn't believe in it. This was discussed a good number of times in the first three games. Maya specifically tells Phoenix in 2-2 that most people think spirit channeling is all made up. Before the point of 3-5, at least, the Judge and basically everyone else for that matter would've been included under that. Remember that in case 2-2, the judge never actually definitely concludes one way or the other as to whether Franziska's claim that Maya could channel spirits was true or not. Specifically, he's just flat out confused, and isn't sure what to think. There's next to no way that Phoenix would've been believed if he tried claiming that he had a magic stone that some little girl zapped magical secret detecting powers into. He'd come across as completely insane. Even ''after'' the events of 3-5, in fact, since it's kind of a leap to go from what's exposed to the courtroom in that case to what the magatama is and can do. Even ''if'' Phoenix gave it to someone to get them to see what it could show them, and even ''if'' he's somehow believed in his claims, there's still the matter that the entire thing wouldn't be proof of anything in the first place. From Phoenix's personal perspective, it proves someone is hiding something, and he can pursue that. But from a legal perspective, it would mean jack squat. You can't find someone guilty or innocent, or condemn a witness, or whatever else, because some guy's magic shows that they'd lying/not lying. In real life court proceedings, you're not allowed to use a failed/passed lie detector test as proof, and that's something based around a specific, and understood scientific principle. Let alone some guy who claims that their magical locks only appear over someone when they're lying.
4th May '18 4:35:46 AM themerryman
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** "Everyone knows that spirit channeling is real". No, they don't, the average person doesn't believe in it. This was discussed a good number of times in the first three games. Maya specifically tells Phoenix in 2-2 that most people think spirit channeling is all made up. Before the point of 3-5, at least, the Judge and basically everyone else for that matter would've been included under that. Remember that in case 2-2, the judge never actually definitely concludes one way or the other as to whether Franziska's claim that Maya could channel spirits was true or not. Specifically, he's just flat out confused, and isn't sure what to think. There's next to no way that Phoenix would've been believed if he tried claiming that he had a magic stone that some little girl zapped magical secret detecting powers into. He'd come across as completely insane. Even ''after'' the events of 3-5, in fact, since it's kind of a leap to go from what's exposed to the courtroom in that case to what the magatama is and can do.
4th May '18 4:02:03 AM laytonfan11
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*** I guess so. I just feel like it's been run into the ground by this point. As charming as it is, it sort of stops being funny when you see people make the exact same exaggerated jabs over and over again for 10+ years, it just starts seeming a bit petty. Well, perhaps "petty" is a strong way of putting it. "Unfunny & repetitive", I guess? Just generally annoying, basically. Yeah, I like to make those jabs myself sometimes, but having the entire fandom scream them out at every chance it gets starts to get a grating, after a while.
4th May '18 3:46:02 AM TaylorHyuuga
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*** I mean, people are rarely GENUINELY complaining about it. More often than not, they're making jokes at the localization's expense. And to be fair, it IS funny to make fun of the localization when we have cases like Monstrous and Storyteller. Some people mean it, but most people aren't serious. In general, whether the localization is in Japan or America doesn't change much at all because it's never relevant which country it really is. We make fun of it just because it's easy to make fun of, whether or not we actually dislike it.
4th May '18 3:38:49 AM laytonfan11
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** Well, let's see. A sidekick spirit medium in blatantly japaneese clothes, a ''vilage'' of spirit mediums, a girl studying senryu, Judge who is seriously out of touch with reality knows exacly what ''is'' senryu, an old guy who worked in kimono bussiness before retiring, blatantly japaqneese temple, Phoenix's love interest is ''textbook'' YamatoNadeshiko, serious gun restrictions(as in it's almost impossible to legally get a gun if you're not a cop) supposedly in a coutry known for it's ''constitutional'' right for civilians to have guns, a guy with seismophobia living in part of the country where earthquakes happen when there should be part where they don't, a prosecutor who is a freaking samurai, a village of people who ALL believe in yokai, case centered around Rakugo... i probably still missed a few things. Individually each of these can be handwaved, but all together they're rather hard to swallow as USA.

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** Well, let's see. A sidekick spirit medium in blatantly japaneese clothes, a ''vilage'' of spirit mediums, a girl studying senryu, Judge who is seriously out of touch with reality knows exacly what ''is'' senryu, an old guy who worked in kimono bussiness before retiring, blatantly japaqneese temple, Phoenix's love interest is ''textbook'' YamatoNadeshiko, serious gun restrictions(as in it's almost impossible to legally get a gun if you're not a cop) supposedly in a coutry country known for it's ''constitutional'' right for civilians to have guns, a guy with seismophobia living in part of the country where earthquakes happen when there should be part where they don't, a prosecutor who is a freaking samurai, a village of people who ALL believe in yokai, case centered around Rakugo... i probably still missed a few things. Individually each of these can be handwaved, but all together they're rather hard to swallow as USA.


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** The main point here isn't that the entire "Japanifornia" thing isn't warranted. "Warranted" being used in lack of a better term, since it's not as though it's a ''bad'' thing at all, it's actually kind of a charming trait that even the localizers have expressed they like. But actually, that leads into the exact point here. It's the fact that people throw it around so much, that it's basically become a generic thing by now that just implies nothing other then that the localization is terrible, and that the localizers are morons for continuing to put up a charade. I just find that to be insulting to the actual effort gone into the localization, which is, for all intent-and-purposes, one of the greatest in video game history, if you ignore the subjectivity of the specific variation of localization they went for. Not to mention, that is ''is'' massively exaggerated. They really could've done a lot more then they did try and do when it came to changing content to try and make it "American". They could've changed the Tonosaman (Steel Samurai) franchise to be about some superhero from L.A called "Steel Man", or something, but they didn't, they localized it as "Steel Samurai" and kept the franchise a strictly Japanese focused one. They could've tried implying that the village of yokai were actually a village of western style monsters and given weird English names for all of the monsters that were brought up (see the ''VideoGame/YokaiWatch'' example given above, since it does demonstrate that point pretty well). All in all, they could've handled things a lot "worse" (again, I use that word loosely. There's no "wrong" way to do a localization) then they did. I'm not sure if I agree that it doesn't warrant being considered a thinly veiled localization, but the issue to actually think about here is more how exaggerated this tends to be, and the fact that this in itself shouldn't be thrown around like it's a bad thing anyway.
19th Mar '18 2:14:44 AM themerryman
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*** I don't exactly get your point about evidence law from 1-5 being "ridiculous". I'm pretty sure two standard rules are not the entire basis of evidence submission in the Ace Attorney world, that would be reaching astronomically stupid levels. They're just two of the base rules.


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*** Well the witness ''was'' a bomb squad member, and in the context of the trial he had brought the replica bomb as evidence. It's not exactly absurd for them to let him keep it. In fact you'd imagine he'd be the one person they ''would'' let keep it. And Phoenix doesn't ''have'' to call him out, he just decides to. One can assume that the guards were ready to act, but you know, he had a bomb and was threatening to detonate it if anyone did anything. There wasn't much they ''could'' do until Phoenix proved it was a fake.
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