History Headscratchers / AceAttorney

22nd Dec '16 9:19:20 AM Drope
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** Pearls was a llittle too young to be channeling spirits. She did channel Mia a few times, but that was only on instinct. Also, Edgeworth stated that he hates anything to do with spirit mediums after the infamous DL-6 incident.

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** Pearls was a llittle little too young to be channeling spirits. She did channel Mia a few times, but that was only on instinct. Also, Edgeworth stated that he hates anything to do with spirit mediums after the infamous DL-6 incident.
** ''Spirit of Justice'' confirms that Maya and Pearl are the only channelers around, and the former was abroad training.
5th Dec '16 1:16:42 AM wusch
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** There indeed are state appointed lawyers, they arê even mentioned in at least 2 cases, for example in 1-2, Redd White wants to get Phoenix the worst state appointed laweyer possible, that's why he defends himself there. But to be fair it is a good question why Phoenix at the start doesn't take state appointed cases, this would have brought some money in.
30th Oct '16 8:37:21 PM TaylorHyuuga
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** This is fixed in the HD trilogy, where they say "After one final case, he disappeared", or something along those lines
26th Sep '16 10:30:05 AM SeanRenaud
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*** Presumably Matt Engarde not only wasn't executed but knew in advance that he wouldn't be. There is nothing we're shown to suggest Shelly DeKiller is a sadist. His choice appears to be living in jail or being set free and murdered in short order. Instead of being put to death for sure and living the rest of his life on the run from the world's best assassin.
15th Sep '16 2:26:51 PM stan423
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*** Actually, Ema ended up traveling to from LA to Khura'in and back, and yes, they end up interacting. The issue of Ema's thoughts on channeling doesn't seem to be brought up much, though one case's proceedings imply she at least acknowledges it.
14th Sep '16 10:40:35 PM Rikun
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!!Headscratchers for the series in general go here. Please direct Headscratchers specific to individual games/subseries to [[Headscratchers/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney Headscratchers/Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney]], [[Headscratchers/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Headscratchers: Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney]], [[Headscratchers/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Headscratchers: Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth]], or [[Headscratchers/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Headscratchers: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies]].

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!!Headscratchers for the series in general go here. Please direct Headscratchers specific to individual games/subseries to [[Headscratchers/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney Headscratchers/Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney]], [[Headscratchers/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney Headscratchers: Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney]], [[Headscratchers/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Headscratchers: Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth]], or [[Headscratchers/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Headscratchers: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies]].
Destinies]], or [[Headscratchers/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Headscratchers: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice]].
27th Aug '16 3:27:27 PM Technicolourtardis
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** I'm sorry, did we play the same games? Because Franziska has the singlemost development of ''any'' character. She starts out as an abrasive AmoralAttorney, but by her last appearance, she's one of two- count them TWO- characters ''in the franchise'' who only seeks the truth, even if that truth means her friend is a killer. Even Edgeworth doesn't have this, because he refuses to entertain the idea Kay could be a killer, but Franziska is more than willing to play devil's advocate, even though she herself doubts Kay is a killer. The only other person who ever does this is ''Apollo'', in Dual Destinies. Franziska still whips people, but significantly less and less as time goes on, and by T&T, repeatedly states it's not meant to be taken as an attack, no different than people slugging each other in the shoulder by way of greeting or congratulations. She's also, in case you missed this, genuinely helpful even in 2-4 once she's removed from the case. She presents evidence knowing it's for the defence, and does her damndest to get it to court as fast as she can. She also, again, since you seemed to think she's had no development, ''volunteered'' to stay behind and work at the trick locks. She was there for more than a day, nonstop by the way Edgeworth phrased it, in a freezing cold cave on a freezing cold mountain on a freezing cold winter, through the night, working her ass off for someone she barely knows. You know, being selfless. Franziska doesn't always limit her whipping to men- She hit Ini, Maya, Morgan... Lotta, for instance, is someone she'll willingly go for and she did hit Ema as well, and she's implied to want to hit Calisto, but goes for Edgeworth when he warns her against hitting Calisto. Females aggravate her less than males do, likely because males are more frequent in the cases she's worked. Further, usually the women involved in her cases would cause her actual trouble if she hit (Edgeworth tells her Calisto would be this, and it's clear from her personality Mikagami/Courtney is this way, unlike the standard Judge or his brother) or in Kay's case, they're Franziska's friend. You can hardly call her a misandrist when she DOES hit women, but there are just fewer female characters around her to hit. She also won't hit every man. And speaking of hitting people, she significantly tones it down by 2-4 and 3-5, and the meaning of it changes. Keep in mind, Franziska still has a very immature mindset. Not like a childish sort like Maya, but immature. Little kids rarely seem to take cries of pain from something they do seriously until someone gets mad at them. That's not childish like Maya, that's being immature. People ''don't'' get mad at Franziska for whipping them, and since she seems to have done it her whole life, it's hard to say she even realises it's exactly ''bad'' for her to show frustration that way. However, like I said- she uses it less and less as time goes on, and starts to rarely use it in anger. Why don't you pay attention to her character, rather than focusing on how much you hate her or how much she's whipping people the entire time she's on screen? Pay attention to WHO she hits, WHY and WHEN she does it, and how little she actually does it by Investigations 2 (where she hits Ema and Lotta both, and last I checked, they're females).


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** What about Edgeworth's in-court reactions in 1-4 show he's not an AmoralAttorney? Presumably, Shields read the case file or saw the news report on the results. Nothing would imply Edgeworth wasn't a faithful minion of von Karma, and if he was... take a look at how Franziska reacted to her own father's death.
27th Aug '16 2:54:59 PM Technicolourtardis
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** It's also possible the episodes are actually longer than the standard half-hour or hour runtime, similar to ''LiveActionTV/{{Sherlock}}'', so the 13 episodes total up to 26 episodes worth of runtime or more. Kids do watch movies, so it's not too much to assume they'd watch an hour and a half-long TV serial. If each episode is like a movie, and it takes the world by storm, it's not hard to believe. Plus, well... if a small ''hotel'' can get a theme park (remember, Gatewater started out as just the one hotel), so can a 13-episode sentai series.
27th Aug '16 2:42:01 PM Technicolourtardis
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* What exactly about the games is "obviously Japanese" enough to warrant these games qualifying for ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange and all the sneering it gets? That would mean there's something about the setting, not the attitude of anyone. In the original trilogy, the only things that are blatantly Japanese has to do with spirit channelling (the Fey's attire and home village). Further, apart from Simon and Metis (who are noted in the dub to be fans of Japanese culture, which is perfectly reasonable, especially since Simon could have come to like it through Metis), everything "obviously Japanese" is ''in the mountains'', so you can argue they're all related to one another without sounding like you're [[HandWave handwaving]]. And you can't use the court system to explain it- the games explain that it's an alternate universe where this manner of dealing with cases was implemented, which is, again, perfectly reasonable. You can't really use the Steel Samurai, either, as sentai shows like ''PowerRangers'' are still a thing in the US. What about these games scream "this obviously takes place in Japan!!"? What about the setting makes it oh-so "thinly veiled"? Hell, what about what anyone says? Is there anything people say or do that would be unnatural for an American or a Canadian? Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I don't see why it should qualify for the trope, or what the problem is with changing it when all the names were changed to make sense to the audiences playing the game (especially when a lot of the jokes would be lost, like Redd White's name that relied on the kanji to make the joke). The only way I can see it qualifying is if you have a lot of knowledge about Japanese culture and can pick out what's Japanese about every little thing, but to an average player, it's hardly "thinly veiled". "Thinly veiled" implies that even people who only know a little about Japan can tell it's obviously Japan.

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* What exactly about the games is "obviously Japanese" enough to warrant these games qualifying for ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange and all the sneering it gets? That would mean there's something about the setting, not the attitude of anyone. In the original trilogy, the only things that are blatantly Japanese has to do with spirit channelling (the Fey's attire and home village). Further, apart from Simon and Metis (who are noted in the dub to be fans of Japanese culture, which is perfectly reasonable, especially since Simon could have come to like it through Metis), everything "obviously Japanese" is ''in the mountains'', so you can argue they're all related to one another without sounding like you're [[HandWave handwaving]]. And you can't use the court system to explain it- the games explain that it's an alternate universe where this manner of dealing with cases was implemented, which is, again, perfectly reasonable. Further, as pointed out above, the games aren't even a real depiction of Japanese legal proceedings, of which it is meant to mock. You can't really use the Steel Samurai, either, as sentai shows like ''PowerRangers'' are still a thing in the US. What about these games scream "this obviously takes place in Japan!!"? What about the setting makes it oh-so "thinly veiled"? Hell, what about what anyone says? Is there anything people say or do that would be unnatural for an American or a Canadian? Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I don't see why it should qualify for the trope, or what the problem is with changing it when all the names were changed to make sense to the audiences playing the game (especially when a lot of the jokes would be lost, like Redd White's name that relied on the kanji to make the joke). The only way I can see it qualifying is if you have a lot of knowledge about Japanese culture and can pick out what's Japanese about every little thing, but to an average player, it's hardly "thinly veiled". "Thinly veiled" implies that even people who only know a little about Japan can tell it's obviously Japan.
27th Aug '16 2:40:37 PM Technicolourtardis
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* What exactly about the games is "obviously Japanese" enough to warrant these games qualifying for ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange and all the sneering it gets? That would mean there's something about the setting, not the attitude of anyone. In the original trilogy, the only things that are blatantly Japanese has to do with spirit channelling (the Fey's attire and home village). Further, apart from Simon and Metis (who are noted in the dub to be fans of Japanese culture, which is perfectly reasonable, especially since Simon could have come to like it through Metis), everything "obviously Japanese" is _in the mountains_, so you can argue they're all related to one another without sounding like you're [[HandWave handwaving]]. And you can't use the court system to explain it- the games explain that it's an alternate universe where this manner of dealing with cases was implemented, which is, again, perfectly reasonable. You can't really use the Steel Samurai, either, as sentai shows like _PowerRangers_ are still a thing in the US. What about these games scream "this obviously takes place in Japan!!"? What about the setting makes it oh-so "thinly veiled"? Hell, what about what anyone says? Is there anything people say or do that would be unnatural for an American or a Canadian? Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I don't see why it should qualify for the trope, or what the problem is with changing it when all the names were changed to make sense to the audiences playing the game (especially when a lot of the jokes would be lost, like Redd White's name that relied on the kanji to make the joke). The only way I can see it qualifying is if you have a lot of knowledge about Japanese culture and can pick out what's Japanese about every little thing, but to an average player, it's hardly "thinly veiled". "Thinly veiled" implies that even people who only know a little about Japan can tell it's obviously Japan.

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* What exactly about the games is "obviously Japanese" enough to warrant these games qualifying for ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange and all the sneering it gets? That would mean there's something about the setting, not the attitude of anyone. In the original trilogy, the only things that are blatantly Japanese has to do with spirit channelling (the Fey's attire and home village). Further, apart from Simon and Metis (who are noted in the dub to be fans of Japanese culture, which is perfectly reasonable, especially since Simon could have come to like it through Metis), everything "obviously Japanese" is _in ''in the mountains_, mountains'', so you can argue they're all related to one another without sounding like you're [[HandWave handwaving]]. And you can't use the court system to explain it- the games explain that it's an alternate universe where this manner of dealing with cases was implemented, which is, again, perfectly reasonable. You can't really use the Steel Samurai, either, as sentai shows like _PowerRangers_ ''PowerRangers'' are still a thing in the US. What about these games scream "this obviously takes place in Japan!!"? What about the setting makes it oh-so "thinly veiled"? Hell, what about what anyone says? Is there anything people say or do that would be unnatural for an American or a Canadian? Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I don't see why it should qualify for the trope, or what the problem is with changing it when all the names were changed to make sense to the audiences playing the game (especially when a lot of the jokes would be lost, like Redd White's name that relied on the kanji to make the joke). The only way I can see it qualifying is if you have a lot of knowledge about Japanese culture and can pick out what's Japanese about every little thing, but to an average player, it's hardly "thinly veiled". "Thinly veiled" implies that even people who only know a little about Japan can tell it's obviously Japan.
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