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*** Being "Mother of Miles" probably requires a Ship Captain Voice 24/7. This is Miles we're talking about, after all.
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*** Being "Mother of Miles" probably requires a Ship Captain Voice 24/7. This is Miles we're talking about, after all.all.
*In ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'', Ivan says discovering that they had released a "mutant alien fungus into our ''biosphere''" could get the Arquas "torn from limb to limb. The Dismemberment of Mad Emperor Yuri would be nothing to it." Yet neither Miles, nor Ekaterin, nor Kareen or any other native Barrayaran foresees any problem about releasing ''genetically engineered'' butterbugs into Barrayar's ecosystem. As Enrique developed them on Escobar, they're ''mutant alien'' bugs, as well. Nor does anyone think they'll simply go unnoticed - Ekaterin designed the Glorious Bugs to stand out, and Kareen's marketing material ''explicitly'' describes their origin in Enrique's lab.
*In ''Captain Vorpatril's Alliance'', Ivan says discovering that they had released a "mutant alien fungus into our ''biosphere''" could get the Arquas "torn from limb to limb. The Dismemberment of Mad Emperor Yuri would be nothing to it." Yet neither Miles, nor Ekaterin, nor Kareen or any other native Barrayaran foresees any problem about releasing ''genetically engineered'' butterbugs into Barrayar's ecosystem. As Enrique developed them on Escobar, they're ''mutant alien'' bugs, as well. Nor does anyone think they'll simply go unnoticed - Ekaterin designed the Glorious Bugs to stand out, and Kareen's marketing material ''explicitly'' describes their origin in Enrique's lab.
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*** (a) The 'prolonged debate and then a vote' happens in the context of the Betan Astronomical Survey (of which she was Commander), not the Expeditionary Force. The Survey folks make blind jumps for a salary, pension and benefits, so they were all at least a little crazy. The Expeditionary Force... well, they were helping Escobar fight of a bunch of bloodthirsty, mutie-hating, mother-raping Barrayarans. Whoever transferred across probably had to GrowTheBeard.
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*** (a) The 'prolonged debate and then a vote' happens in the context of the Betan Astronomical Survey (of which she was Commander), not the Expeditionary Force. The Survey folks make blind jumps for a salary, pension and benefits, so they were all at least a little crazy. The Expeditionary Force... well, they were helping Escobar fight of a bunch of bloodthirsty, mutie-hating, mother-raping Barrayarans. Whoever transferred across probably had to GrowTheBeard.GrowingTheBeard.
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*** (b) Both Kou and Drou have seen Captain Cordelia Naismith do some wild and woolly things. Kou has seen her face down some Barrayaran mutineers, and Drou was with her when she had Bothari chop off Vordarian's head. She could have used her 'Mother of Miles' voice and they would still have jumped.
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*** (b) Both Kou and Drou have seen Captain Cordelia Naismith do some wild and woolly things. Kou has seen her face down some Barrayaran mutineers, and Drou was with her when she had Bothari chop off Vordarian's head. She could have used her 'Mother of Miles' voice and they would still have jumped.jumped.
***Being "Mother of Miles" probably requires a Ship Captain Voice 24/7. This is Miles we're talking about, after all.
***Being "Mother of Miles" probably requires a Ship Captain Voice 24/7. This is Miles we're talking about, after all.
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**** And indeed, the situation that makes this typical among naval folk would still apply to the Betan Expeditionary Survey: you're all in a man-made vessel that is the only thing protecting you from a large and very hostile environment, so in an emergency everyone had better ''jump''. And in the right direction too.
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** Indeed, that's kind of the FridgeBrilliance of the whole thing-- Cordelia's command voice had to be ''particularly'' good, because when it did come time to use it she had to short-circuit her audience's tendency toward debate.
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** Indeed, that's kind of the FridgeBrilliance of the whole thing-- Cordelia's command voice had to be ''particularly'' good, because when it did come time to use it she had to short-circuit her audience's tendency toward debate.debate.
** It must also be noted that:
*** (a) The 'prolonged debate and then a vote' happens in the context of the Betan Astronomical Survey (of which she was Commander), not the Expeditionary Force. The Survey folks make blind jumps for a salary, pension and benefits, so they were all at least a little crazy. The Expeditionary Force... well, they were helping Escobar fight of a bunch of bloodthirsty, mutie-hating, mother-raping Barrayarans. Whoever transferred across probably had to GrowTheBeard.
*** (b) Both Kou and Drou have seen Captain Cordelia Naismith do some wild and woolly things. Kou has seen her face down some Barrayaran mutineers, and Drou was with her when she had Bothari chop off Vordarian's head. She could have used her 'Mother of Miles' voice and they would still have jumped.
** It must also be noted that:
*** (a) The 'prolonged debate and then a vote' happens in the context of the Betan Astronomical Survey (of which she was Commander), not the Expeditionary Force. The Survey folks make blind jumps for a salary, pension and benefits, so they were all at least a little crazy. The Expeditionary Force... well, they were helping Escobar fight of a bunch of bloodthirsty, mutie-hating, mother-raping Barrayarans. Whoever transferred across probably had to GrowTheBeard.
*** (b) Both Kou and Drou have seen Captain Cordelia Naismith do some wild and woolly things. Kou has seen her face down some Barrayaran mutineers, and Drou was with her when she had Bothari chop off Vordarian's head. She could have used her 'Mother of Miles' voice and they would still have jumped.
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*** This troper's father was a naval officer. The whole family knew when one could argue, and when he meant "Do It ''Now,''" and one did. Probably because he only used that voice when it was genuinely, urgently important that something be done ''now,'' no time to argue.
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*** This troper's father was a naval officer. The whole family knew when one could argue, and when he meant "Do It ''Now,''" and one did. Probably because he only used that voice when it was genuinely, urgently important that something be done ''now,'' no time to argue.argue.
** Indeed, that's kind of the FridgeBrilliance of the whole thing-- Cordelia's command voice had to be ''particularly'' good, because when it did come time to use it she had to short-circuit her audience's tendency toward debate.
** Indeed, that's kind of the FridgeBrilliance of the whole thing-- Cordelia's command voice had to be ''particularly'' good, because when it did come time to use it she had to short-circuit her audience's tendency toward debate.
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*** Yes, but in other places it's made pretty clear that trying to get them to do something "because I said so" was setting yourself up for a long argument.
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*** Yes, but in other places it's made pretty clear that trying to get them to do something "because I said so" was setting yourself up for a long argument.argument.
*** This troper's father was a naval officer. The whole family knew when one could argue, and when he meant "Do It ''Now,''" and one did. Probably because he only used that voice when it was genuinely, urgently important that something be done ''now,'' no time to argue.
*** This troper's father was a naval officer. The whole family knew when one could argue, and when he meant "Do It ''Now,''" and one did. Probably because he only used that voice when it was genuinely, urgently important that something be done ''now,'' no time to argue.
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** They were still a professional service, and knew when it was time to just follow orders. As Miles tells Elena, describing Betans in ''The Warrior's Apprentice'': "Depends on what you mean by free. They put up with rules we'd never tolerate at home. You should see everyone fall into place during a power outage drill, or a sandstorm alarm."
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** They were still a professional service, and knew when it was time to just follow orders. As Miles tells Elena, describing Betans in ''The Warrior's Apprentice'': "Depends on what you mean by free. They put up with rules we'd never tolerate at home. You should see everyone fall into place during a power outage drill, or a sandstorm alarm.""
*** Yes, but in other places it's made pretty clear that trying to get them to do something "because I said so" was setting yourself up for a long argument.
*** Yes, but in other places it's made pretty clear that trying to get them to do something "because I said so" was setting yourself up for a long argument.
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* Towards the end of the novel, Cordelia uses her "old Ship Captain's voice" on Kou and Drou to make them quiet and obedient. Although the scene as a whole is great, and yeah OK, those two were conditioned to obey voices of authority, Cordelia was a "Ship Captain" on the ''Betan Expeditionary Force''. Using [[CompellingVoice the Voice of Command]] on her former subordinates would have lead to a prolonged debate and then a vote.
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* Towards the end of the novel, Cordelia uses her "old Ship Captain's voice" on Kou and Drou to make them quiet and obedient. Although the scene as a whole is great, and yeah OK, those two were conditioned to obey voices of authority, Cordelia was a "Ship Captain" on the ''Betan Expeditionary Force''. Using [[CompellingVoice the Voice of Command]] on her former subordinates would have lead to a prolonged debate and then a vote.vote.
** They were still a professional service, and knew when it was time to just follow orders. As Miles tells Elena, describing Betans in ''The Warrior's Apprentice'': "Depends on what you mean by free. They put up with rules we'd never tolerate at home. You should see everyone fall into place during a power outage drill, or a sandstorm alarm."
** They were still a professional service, and knew when it was time to just follow orders. As Miles tells Elena, describing Betans in ''The Warrior's Apprentice'': "Depends on what you mean by free. They put up with rules we'd never tolerate at home. You should see everyone fall into place during a power outage drill, or a sandstorm alarm."
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Towards the end of the novel, Cordelia uses her "old Ship Captain's voice" on Kou and Drou to make them quiet and obedient. Although the scene as a whole is great, and yeah OK, those two were conditioned to obey voices of authority, Cordelia was a "Ship Captain" on the ''Betan Expeditionary Force''. Using [[CompellingVoice the Voice of Command]] on her former subordinates would have lead to a prolonged debate and then a vote.
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* Towards the end of the novel, Cordelia uses her "old Ship Captain's voice" on Kou and Drou to make them quiet and obedient. Although the scene as a whole is great, and yeah OK, those two were conditioned to obey voices of authority, Cordelia was a "Ship Captain" on the ''Betan Expeditionary Force''. Using [[CompellingVoice the Voice of Command]] on her former subordinates would have lead to a prolonged debate and then a vote.
