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13th Jun '17 7:25:51 PM Fireblood
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** Littlefinger gives cold-blooded instruction to Roz and another of his whore on how to play on this in his famous {{sexposition}} scene where he explains his motives and method of operating.

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** Littlefinger gives cold-blooded instruction to Roz and another of his whore whores on how to play on this up in his famous {{sexposition}} scene where he explains his motives and method of operating.


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** Later Ellaria Sand has one of Littlefinger's prostitutes go down on her.


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* GodIsEvil: Davos accuses the ''Lord of Light'' of being evil when he lashes out at Melisandre. Assuming that her acts (including {{human sacrifice}}s) are something that the Lord approves of, he may be right.
22nd Apr '17 11:28:26 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* HollywoodAtheist: Averted. Davos growing up in Flea Bottom and being told of some new "true god" in each new port he docked in made him consider that gods were something people made up to give themselves hope. This is in clear contrast to the Book canon, where Davos is the odd man out in Stannis's court not because he is an atheist, rather because he remains a firm believer in The Seven. Meanwhile, Thoros of Myr believed the gods were just something made up to scare children into being good. Thoros came to believe again after his prayer [[BackFromTheDead raised a man from the dead]], while Davos is more reluctant, though Stannis argues it would make no sense to disbelieve after what he's now seen Melisandre do. We're not shown what he thinks after this.
22nd Apr '17 9:06:32 AM Fireblood
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* HollywoodAtheist: Averted. Ser Davos Seaworth and Thoros of Myr both believed the gods were all just something made up to scare children into being good. Thoros came to believe again after his prayer [[BackFromTheDead raised a man from the dead]], while Davos is more reluctant, though Stannis argues it would make no sense to disbelieve after what he's now seen Melisandre do. We're not shown what he thinks after this.

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* HollywoodAtheist: Averted. Ser Davos Seaworth growing up in Flea Bottom and being told of some new "true god" in each new port he docked in made him consider that gods were something people made up to give themselves hope. This is in clear contrast to the Book canon, where Davos is the odd man out in Stannis's court not because he is an atheist, rather because he remains a firm believer in The Seven. Meanwhile, Thoros of Myr both believed the gods were all just something made up to scare children into being good. Thoros came to believe again after his prayer [[BackFromTheDead raised a man from the dead]], while Davos is more reluctant, though Stannis argues it would make no sense to disbelieve after what he's now seen Melisandre do. We're not shown what he thinks after this.
18th Apr '17 12:24:20 AM NightShade96
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* JerkassHasAPoint: A mainstay of the series.
** Ser Alliser Thorne treats his recruits cruelly, but given his [[NoPartyLikeADonnerParty experience]] of how terrible the winters can be, he may have a point about how strong a man of the Night's Watch must be.
** Robert's plot to kill Daenerys is definitely very underhanded and fueled by his hatred and fear, but Pycelle's point that a Dothraki invasion would also result in thousands of innocent deaths is quite persuasive.
** Notorious [[TheOathbreaker oathbreaker]] Jaime Lannister argues that the numerous and contradictory vows knights swear make everyone an oathbreaker eventually. For instance, what if you've sworn to protect the king and defend the innocent, but the king massacres the innocent?
** Drogo's bloodrider Qotho is [[ProperlyParanoid completely right]] about [[spoiler: not trusting Mirri Maz Duur]].
** The Spice King is rude and condescending, but when Daenerys asks for ships to get to Westeros he raises some very good points: namely, that she has no real strategy for retaking Westeros, just a belief that everyone will flock to her as the rightful queen.
** Being motivated by jealously doesn't make Cersei's assessment of Margaery as a manipulative social climber any less true.
** While he's unnecessarily a jerkass about it, Craster ''does'' have a large family to sustain through the years-long winter with the resources the Night's Watch are steadily consuming as his guests. Grenn and Dolorous Edd seem content enough with it and Sam even tries to point this out to Rast, but gets shot down with a FalseDichotomy.
** Joffrey seems to be the only person in Westeros during Season 3 to appreciate the threat of Daenerys and her dragons.
** The worst thing about Tywin's [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech denunciations]]—whether it's calling Jaime an [[BrilliantButLazy ambitionless bodyguard]], Cersei [[SmugSnake less clever than she thinks]], or Tyrion a fool for his [[HookersAndBlow drinking and whoring]]—is that he often has a point. Ironically, his own failings as a father seem completely lost on him.
** [[spoiler: A extreme example, but as smarmy and unbearable as he may be, Walder Frey's reason for turning on Robb does makes sense. Robb did break his deal with him. When Catelyn Stark begs for Robb's life by giving him her word, Frey is quick to point he has no reason to trust a Stark's word when they have already broken a promise in the past.]]
** Rickard Karstark is not exactly wrong in his criticism of Robb's leadership considering how much long term damage was done by Robb's poor choices.
** When Tyrion disapproves of [[spoiler: the Red Wedding]], Tywin asks him why it is more noble to kill thousands in battle than a dozen at dinner. Even acknowledging the thousands of soldiers who died as well, Tyrion really cannot dispute his father, having himself [[WhatMeasureIsAMook killed thousands]] [[NotSoDifferent of defenceless, ship-bound men]] in a [[GreekFire wildfire]] explosion less than a year past.
** Cersei is drunk and paranoid when she demands more guards for Tommen's chambers, but since Margaery is somehow able to sneak in she [[TheGuardsMustBeCrazy may have a point]].
** The Hound is coarse and mocking when he sees Arya practising with her rapier, but he proves absolutely right that it stands no chance against even a mediocre swordsman in full plate. He is also right about the flaws in [[spoiler:Brienne]]'s plan to protect the Stark girls by finding them "someplace safe."
*** Likewise The Hound's point about knights really being nothing more than vicious killers as opposed to noble heroes is pretty much on the nose. Especially when you have scenes of knights violently murdering children and or talking about raping women.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: A mainstay of the series.
** Ser Alliser Thorne treats his recruits cruelly, but given his [[NoPartyLikeADonnerParty experience]] of how terrible the winters can be, he may have a point about how strong a man of the Night's Watch must be.
** Robert's plot to kill Daenerys is definitely very underhanded and fueled by his hatred and fear, but Pycelle's point that a Dothraki invasion would also result in thousands of innocent deaths is quite persuasive.
** Notorious [[TheOathbreaker oathbreaker]] Jaime Lannister argues that the numerous and contradictory vows knights swear make everyone an oathbreaker eventually. For instance, what if you've sworn to protect the king and defend the innocent, but the king massacres the innocent?
** Drogo's bloodrider Qotho is [[ProperlyParanoid completely right]] about [[spoiler: not trusting Mirri Maz Duur]].
** The Spice King is rude and condescending, but when Daenerys asks for ships to get to Westeros he raises some very good points: namely, that she has no real strategy for retaking Westeros, just a belief that everyone will flock to her as the rightful queen.
** Being motivated by jealously doesn't make Cersei's assessment of Margaery as a manipulative social climber any less true.
** While he's unnecessarily a jerkass about it, Craster ''does'' have a large family to sustain through the years-long winter with the resources the Night's Watch are steadily consuming as his guests. Grenn and Dolorous Edd seem content enough with it and Sam even tries to point this out to Rast, but gets shot down with a FalseDichotomy.
** Joffrey seems to be the only person in Westeros during Season 3 to appreciate the threat of Daenerys and her dragons.
** The worst thing about Tywin's [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech denunciations]]—whether it's calling Jaime an [[BrilliantButLazy ambitionless bodyguard]], Cersei [[SmugSnake less clever than she thinks]], or Tyrion a fool for his [[HookersAndBlow drinking and whoring]]—is that he often has a point. Ironically, his
Has [[JerkassHasAPoint/GameOfThrones its own failings as a father seem completely lost on him.
** [[spoiler: A extreme example, but as smarmy and unbearable as he may be, Walder Frey's reason for turning on Robb does makes sense. Robb did break his deal with him. When Catelyn Stark begs for Robb's life by giving him her word, Frey is quick to point he has no reason to trust a Stark's word when they have already broken a promise in the past.]]
** Rickard Karstark is not exactly wrong in his criticism of Robb's leadership considering how much long term damage was done by Robb's poor choices.
** When Tyrion disapproves of [[spoiler: the Red Wedding]], Tywin asks him why it is more noble to kill thousands in battle than a dozen at dinner. Even acknowledging the thousands of soldiers who died as well, Tyrion really cannot dispute his father, having himself [[WhatMeasureIsAMook killed thousands]] [[NotSoDifferent of defenceless, ship-bound men]] in a [[GreekFire wildfire]] explosion less than a year past.
** Cersei is drunk and paranoid when she demands more guards for Tommen's chambers, but since Margaery is somehow able to sneak in she [[TheGuardsMustBeCrazy may have a point]].
** The Hound is coarse and mocking when he sees Arya practising with her rapier, but he proves absolutely right that it stands no chance against even a mediocre swordsman in full plate. He is also right about the flaws in [[spoiler:Brienne]]'s plan to protect the Stark girls by finding them "someplace safe."
*** Likewise The Hound's point about knights really being nothing more than vicious killers as opposed to noble heroes is pretty much on the nose. Especially when you have scenes of knights violently murdering children and or talking about raping women.
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20th Mar '17 4:38:51 PM BB8ForPresident
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* InnocentBlueEyes: Sansa has these for the first three seasons. During Season 4, they transition into IcyBlueEyes.

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* InnocentBlueEyes: Sansa has these for the first three seasons. During Season 4, they transition into IcyBlueEyes. Gendry has some (having inherited the classic Baratheon blue eyes and black hair), and they're particuarly played up after [[spoiler: he's taken by Melisandre and being used as a pawn by Stannis.]]



** Gendry and Arya are a case where he rules out any potential relationship before it's even begun for this very reason.

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** Gendry and Arya are a case where he rules out believes any potential relationship is over before it's even begun for this very reason. reason, although Arya disagrees.
--> Arya: "I can be your family."
5th Feb '17 8:57:24 PM Malachi108
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** In the series, [[spoiler: Roose Bolton]] is killed when he is betrayed by [[spoiler:Ramsay]], somebody he thought he could trust, just like how he had originally betrayed [[spoiler:Robb]]. And for bonus points, is killed in exactly the same manner.

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** In the series, [[spoiler: Roose Bolton]] is killed when he is betrayed by [[spoiler:Ramsay]], somebody he thought he could trust, just like how he had originally betrayed [[spoiler:Robb]]. And for bonus points, is killed in exactly the same manner.
5th Feb '17 10:22:48 AM Malachi108
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* HopeCrusher: [[TortureTechnician Ramsay Snow]] deliberately creates [[HopeSpot Hope Spots]] because he knows shattering the illusion of hope is far more devastating than providing no hope at all. This can be as simple as pouring out water in front of a thirsty man or as complex as [[spoiler: feigning help only to lead the victim back to more torture.]].

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* HopeCrusher: [[TortureTechnician Ramsay Snow]] deliberately creates [[HopeSpot Hope Spots]] because he knows shattering the illusion of hope is far more devastating than providing no hope at all. This can be as simple as pouring out water in front of a thirsty man or as complex as [[spoiler: feigning help only to lead the victim back to more torture.]].]]
5th Feb '17 9:28:10 AM Malachi108
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** [[spoiler:In "The Door," Summer, Leaf and Hodor all die to save Bran from the attacking wights, although Hodor is under the control of Bran at the time]].

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** [[spoiler:In "The Door," Summer, Leaf and Hodor all die to save Bran from the attacking wights, although Hodor is under the control of Bran at the time]].wights]].
3rd Feb '17 3:41:13 PM BB8ForPresident
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** Gendry and Arya are a case where he rules out any potential relationship before it's even begun for this very reason.
--> Gendry: "You wouldn't be my family, you'd be m'lady."



** In Season 1 Sansa is enamored with Prince Joffrey and believes he's her KnightInShiningArmour, while Arya is disgusted by the set up. By Season 2 and 3, Sansa is kept prisoner and relentlessly abused by Joffrey, while Arya's closest friend is a King's son who [[{{TrueCompanions}} mutually protects her]] and has more [[{{HeroicBastard}} knightly]] [[{{NiceGuy}} qualities]] in his little finger than [[{{Sadist}} Joffrey]] does in his whole body.

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** In Season 1 Sansa is enamored with Prince Joffrey and believes he's her KnightInShiningArmour, while Arya is disgusted by the whole set up. By In Season 2 and 3, Sansa is kept prisoner and relentlessly abused by Joffrey, Joffrey who isn't Robert's son after all, while Arya's closest friend is a King's Robert's actual son who [[{{TrueCompanions}} mutually protects her]] and has more [[{{HeroicBastard}} knightly]] [[{{NiceGuy}} qualities]] in his little finger than [[{{Sadist}} Joffrey]] does in his whole body.
2nd Feb '17 1:57:14 PM BB8ForPresident
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** In Season 1 Sansa is enamored with Prince Joffrey and believes he's her KnightInShiningArmour, while Arya is disgusted by the set up. By Season 2 and 3, Sansa is kept prisoner and relentlessly abused by Joffrey, while Arya's closest friend is a King's son who [[{{TrueCompanions}} mutually protects her]] and has more [[{{HeroicBastard}} knightly]] [[{{NiceGuy}} qualities]] in his little finger than [[{{Sadist}} Joffrey]] does in his whole body.
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