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* A huge part of Ruby's breakdown is mounted on how she felt like she failed people or that her plans never worked. We get a hint of that when she's upset that no one came to Atlas' aid in Volume 8. What was she doing when she was waiting? ''Drinking tea'', exactly like how she took her own life.
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*** For Salem: Salem herself. Although she's officially the Black Queen, she can be regarded as a Black King instead. At this point (mid-Vol 5) she has not once involved herself directly in a plot, and has stayed in a castle in the middle of the Grimmlands, presumably for protection. She only speaks from the safety of the shadows, like a good King should.

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*** For Salem: Salem herself. Although she's officially the Black Queen, she can be regarded as a Black King instead. At this point (mid-Vol 5) she has not once involved herself directly in a plot, and has stayed in a castle in the middle of the Grimmlands, presumably for protection. She only speaks from the safety of the shadows, like a good King should. As of Volume 8, however, this takes on a slightly different meaning. In Chess, while the Queen is definitely the most powerful piece, a lot can be said for the King when it comes to the endgame. Because many/all the other pieces could have been removed from the board by that point, the king will have to start moving to escort the remaining pieces. Through most of the last chapters, although she's still inside Monstra, she starts actively taking a role in her assault on Atlas.

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* Back in "Players and Pieces" episode, Ruby's SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome - dragging a Nevermore possibly hundreds of her own weight up a sheer cliff before decapitating it - was attributed in equal parts to Weiss's anti-gravity glyphs and RuleOfCool, especially since the glyphs mostly affected Ruby and only partially her prey. Now, it's clear it has less to do with the RuleOfCool and more with Ruby's then-unrevealed mass-negating Semblance which she was using, probably without even thinking, during that stunt.



* When Ironwood learns of Yang, Jaune and Ren being let got by Winter, he angrily mutters that holding them hostage was "''their'' last chance" before blowing up and yelling "Now '''I''' have nothing!". For all of Ironwood's talk about protecting everyone and saving Atlas, him declaring that "he" has nothing shows that he's more concerned with being right and getting his way than actually saving lives.

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* When Ironwood learns of Yang, Jaune and Ren being let got by Winter, he angrily mutters that holding them hostage was "''their'' last chance" before blowing up and yelling "Now '''I''' have nothing!". For all of Ironwood's talk about protecting everyone and saving Atlas, him declaring that "he" has nothing shows that he's more concerned with being right and getting his way than actually saving lives. He also had a similar slip in the seventh volume's finale when he turned on Oscar, angrily proclaiming: "The fact of the matter is [[PunctuatedForEmphasis I. Was. Right!]]", showing that self-validation is actually his top priority.



** There's also something to be said regarding the symbolism of a hero and their weapon. Yang lost her arm, but reclaimed it relatively quickly, and still had to "earn" it back, proving her worthiness to use it. Much is made, early in the Volume, of finding Crescent Rose, yet when they do, it's because Jaune already found it and just gives it to Ruby. She didn't earn it back, didn't face anything specifically to prove her worth to wield it. It's just handed to her. . . or, one might say, thrust upon her, just like the responsibility of leading her team, and now defeating Salem. Crescent Rose, in that sense, comes to represent everything about herself Ruby no longer feels she's worthy of. It's no longer a weapon, but a burden she doesn't feel fit to carry and ''doesn't want'' to carry anymore. Notably, at the end of the Volume, Ruby chooses to remain herself by willingly taking up Crescent Rose again, symbolzing her choice to shoulder her burdens again, to accept all the great and terrible power and responsibility that has been thrust upon the girl named Ruby Rose.

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** There's also something to be said regarding the symbolism of a hero and their weapon. Yang lost her arm, but reclaimed it relatively quickly, and still had to "earn" it back, proving her worthiness to use it. Much is made, early in the Volume, of finding Crescent Rose, yet when they do, it's because Jaune already found it and just gives it to Ruby. She didn't earn it back, didn't face anything specifically to prove her worth to wield it. It's just handed to her. . . or, one might say, thrust upon her, just like the responsibility of leading her team, and now defeating Salem. Crescent Rose, in that sense, comes to represent everything about herself Ruby no longer feels she's worthy of. It's no longer a weapon, but a burden she doesn't feel fit to carry and ''doesn't want'' to carry anymore. Notably, at the end of the Volume, Ruby chooses to remain herself by willingly taking up Crescent Rose again, symbolzing symbolizing her choice to shoulder her burdens again, to accept all the great and terrible power and responsibility that has been thrust upon the girl named Ruby Rose.Rose.
** Additionally, let's recall the circumstances in which Ruby lost her weapon: she was disarmed shortly after being forced to dual wield it along with the Staff of Creation, which went very poorly since Crescent Rose isn't suited for one-handed combat, and that's because Ruby, by her own words, went "overboard" with its design. No surprise that, in her depression, she now views her formerly beloved weapon as yet another (and possibly the oldest) of her own poor decisions, embodied in metal.



** Alternatively, Neo knows all that and included Lionheart because it was Ruby's shot that broke his Aura (something that Neo could learn about from Emerald off-screen), both forcing him to flee to his study to be ambushed by Seer and making him extremely vulnerable to said Seer. Thus, Ruby actually ''did'' contribute to his death, though indirectly, and the fact she never really intended to, combined with Ozpin's recollection of [[FallenHero what Leo used to be]], had left a deeper mark than she would show, as usual.



* Having Neo’s illusion of Ironwood deliver the following words to Ruby is incredibly ironic, considering they applied to him as much as, if not more than they do to Ruby:

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* Having Neo’s illusion of Ironwood deliver the following words to Ruby is incredibly ironic, considering both that they applied to him as much as, if not more than they do to Ruby:Ruby, and that Neo herself was probably the most effective of Salem's henchmen in bringing Atlas down:


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* Similarly to the above, the solution to Ruby's situation being "just {{be yourself}}" appears to clash hard with the aforementioned message, except in Ruby's case they aren't mutually exclusive. Ruby had a lifelong dream of becoming like her mother (or rather, like an idealized image of her mother mixed with heroes from stories), and though she wasn't always able to live to this high standards she always believed that one day, she will be, and recovered from her failures. What starts her downward spiral in the Atlas arc is not just doubting she'll ever be as good as Mom, but also the realization that even the supposedly flawless Summer ''was not "enough"'' to stop Salem, therefore it's all hopeless. The vision of Summer she has deconstructs the image of a perfect Huntress, showing Summer as a real person - just a really good fighter who knew fear, could get overconfident and reckless, would lie and keep secrets if she thought it was worth it, but also was kind, compassionate and determined... in other words, everything that Ruby herself ''already is'', having reached her goal "to be like Mom" without knowing it, and arguably surpassing it if we remember Ruby's own feats. Now, to truly be herself and fully realize her potential, and to get the chance of stopping Salem, she has to set her own goals and keep moving forward to ''outgrow'' her mother, and to succeed where the latter failed.
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* The Grimm being drawn to negative emotions makes more sense when one considers that they’re essentially the successors to the Jabberwalker. The Jabberwalker was made to deal with Afterans too troubled for the Curious Cat to fix, who logically would be suffering because of that, and how could it be expected to do so without a way to find them?

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* The Grimm being drawn to and attacking sources of negative emotions makes more sense when one considers that they’re essentially the successors to the Jabberwalker. The Jabberwalker was made to deal with Afterans too troubled for the Curious Cat to fix, who logically would be suffering because of that, by eating them, and how could it be expected to do so without a way to find them?
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*The Grimm being drawn to negative emotions makes more sense when one considers that they’re essentially the successors to the Jabberwalker. The Jabberwalker was made to deal with Afterans too troubled for the Curious Cat to fix, who logically would be suffering because of that, and how could it be expected to do so without a way to find them?
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** Even the Brother Gods, Light and Dark, fall into the same cycle of being trapped by the past and have a ''very'' corrupted philosophy about moving forward. As revealed in Volume 9, the brothers were beings from the Ever After who happily helped the Tree create a land for all of it's creations and clear away the wilderness. But when they discovered that they could create beings to do their job for them (the Curious Cat and the Jabberwalker), they slowly became corrupted by laziness, greed, and pride; losing sight of their original purposes and fighting over whether creation or destruction should prevail. They chose to abandon the Ever After to go make new worlds, leaving the denizens of their home living in constant fear of dying to the Jabberwalker and the Cat eventually being driven insane because the Gods did not give them a way to ascend if they needed help. The Brothers then proceed to repeat their mistakes with Salem, serving the "antagonist" role in her backstory, which ultimately lead to humanity rising against them. Instead of trying to resolve the issue, they decide to invoke a FinalSolution, [[HistoryRepeats abandoned Remnant]] just like the Ever After, then shouldered Ozma with the responsibility of fixing all of the long term issues ''they'' caused for the world since the beginning, and all of the new ones that would follow with the introduction of the four Relics. The Brothers ultimately started the war between Ozpin and Salem that is dooming Remnant because the duo failed to learn that balance must be achieved naturally and that they were responsible for mending their mistakes. Their idea of "moving on" consists of creating something new before abandoning it because it was not perfect in their eyes. This allows whatever they leave behind to wreak havoc on the world and put innocent beings in danger, while the Brothers continue enforcing the cycle of flawed creation and destruction through their FalseDichotomy.

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** Even the Brother Gods, Light and Dark, fall into the same cycle of being trapped by the past and have a ''very'' corrupted philosophy about moving forward. As revealed in Volume 9, the brothers were beings from the Ever After who happily helped the Tree create a land for all of it's creations and clear away the wilderness. But when they discovered that they could create beings to do their job for them (the Curious Cat and the Jabberwalker), they slowly became corrupted by laziness, greed, and pride; losing sight of their original purposes and fighting over whether creation or destruction should prevail. They chose to abandon the Ever After to go make new worlds, leaving the denizens of their home living in constant fear of dying to the Jabberwalker and the Cat eventually being driven insane because the Gods did not give them a way to ascend if they needed help. The Brothers then proceed to repeat their mistakes with Salem, serving the "antagonist" role in her backstory, which ultimately lead to humanity rising against them. Instead of trying to resolve the issue, they decide to invoke a FinalSolution, FinalSolution, abandoned Remnant [[HistoryRepeats abandoned Remnant]] just like the Ever After, After]], then shouldered Ozma with the responsibility of fixing all of the long term issues ''they'' caused for the world since the beginning, and all of the new ones that would follow with the introduction of the four Relics. The Brothers ultimately started the war between Ozpin and Salem that is dooming Remnant because the duo failed to learn that balance must be achieved naturally and that they were responsible for mending their mistakes.Relics. Their idea of "moving on" consists of creating something new before abandoning it because it was not perfect in their eyes. This allows whatever they leave behind to wreak havoc on the world and put innocent beings in danger, while the Brothers continue enforcing the cycle of flawed creation and destruction through their FalseDichotomy. The Brothers ultimately started the war between Ozpin and Salem that is dooming Remnant because the duo failed to learn that balance must be achieved naturally, and that they were responsible for mending their mistakes, not just leaving them behind so they don't have to deal with them.
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*Ruby being able to choose to stay herself when Afterans are never described as doing so makes sense once the difference between humans and Afterans is considered: An Afteran is completely dedicated to their purpose, to the point where all of them (with a handful of notable exceptions) are named after their purpose. When their purpose is fulfilled or they simply aren't able to do it anymore, they Ascend to find a new purpose/continue doing it better. When they Ascend, although they lose their memories, that purpose remains. However, humans are much more multi-faceted, not having a defined purpose and being capable of growing and changing without the need for Ascension. Since their sense of self is quite different from that of a humans, they simply have no reason to reject being changed by the Tree like humans do.
**This was actually alluded to in a previous version of the script for Of Solitude and Self, where the Ascended version of the Herbalist actually says this to Jaune in regards to the differences between humans and Afterans.
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** Hazel Reinhart joined Salem's faction to avenge his huntress-wannabe sister who died in an unfortunate accident during her training; his leader used this motivation to turn him into an enforcer and murderer by promising he'd eventually destroy the target of his anger, Ozpin. Ozpin's latest incarnation, Oscar, convinces Hazel to reflect on his actions and choose a different path. This leads to the latter dying trying to protect Oscar and Emerald from Salem because that's "what Gretchen would have done", and his sacrifice buys the heroes time to escape and ultimately save the people of Atlas. Hazel's case is unique because unlike the others, his death was entirely his own choice, [[RedemptionEqualsDeath dying while fighting Salem to make amends for his villainy]].

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** Hazel Reinhart Rainart joined Salem's faction to avenge his huntress-wannabe sister who died in an unfortunate accident during her training; his leader used this motivation to turn him into an enforcer and murderer by promising he'd eventually destroy the target of his anger, Ozpin. Ozpin's latest incarnation, Oscar, convinces Hazel to reflect on his actions and choose a different path. This leads to the latter dying trying to protect Oscar and Emerald from Salem because that's "what Gretchen would have done", and his sacrifice buys the heroes time to escape and ultimately save the people of Atlas. Hazel's case is unique because unlike the others, his death was entirely his own choice, [[RedemptionEqualsDeath dying while fighting Salem to make amends for his villainy]].
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*** Before this particular fight, there's another reason for RWBY's victory which Ruby herself outright clarifies; the Ace-Ops ''trained'' her and her teammates. Getting tips and pointers from Atlas' best huntsmen means they likely went up a few levels, enough to close the gap (especially when combined with the above-mentioned factors).


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** There's also the likelihood that it's a simple issue of Ruby coming to the battle late, and therefor fresh. The Cat was actually holding its own fairly well against Blake, Weiss and Yang all at once, but fighting against three people at once would still take a told on its stamina. With Ruby showing up at the fight's tail-end, the Cat just didn't have enough left in the tank to do as well as it had beforehand.
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* Why is it in the intro that several characters who seem to be aligned with Cinder ultimately turn out to just be extra bit characters in the actual volume? Because the intro is heavily symbolic of the fact that they're a RedHerring. The enemies of Team RWBY and of Ozpin's inner circle ARE indeed gathering, but not in the explicit way that they expect. Instead, it becomes clear that the obvious villains are a diversion used to keep the good guys in the dark, while the actual enemy is undermining them from the shadows.
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** It's also a demonstration that, [[{{Irony}} as cathartic as his speech to Cinder is, much of his own criticisms of Cinder can just as easily apply to]] '''him'''. He believes that ''he'' was entitled to respect from Ironwood and was pissed off when that pivotal project and respect went to Pietro's own work. He claims that you need to be smart, but there are a number of times where his own plans fail because of his own [[SmugSnake smug arrogance preventing him from noticing the flaws of his own plans.]] Also, his belief that you have to be worthy as opposed to just deserving rings hollow given that ''he'' wasn't worthy enough in Ironwood's eyes back when he was still a respected Atlesian scientist. Ultimately showing that as valid as his criticisms were, the scenario was very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black, given that his own inability to recognize these traits in himself led to Cinder easily manipulating him to his own demise.
*** It also goes even further than that, given that Cinder's own backstory establishes that she went through an absolutely hellish life of abuse and torment, with authority figures either abusing her or basically refusing to help her except in the most half-baked ways, leading her to become the target of an even more dangerous and malevolent abuser in the form of Salem. Watts by contrast was a respected Atlesian scientist who basically let his own petty jealousy and envy towards Pietro push him to fake his own death and help out Salem out of spite, instead of buckling down and improving himself. Overall, for all of Watts' belief in his own superiority, his ultimate desires paint him as an incredibly cruel and petty man who for all of his genius, wasn't as smart as he believed himself to be.

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** It's also a demonstration that, [[{{Irony}} as cathartic as his speech to Cinder is, much of his own criticisms of Cinder can just as easily apply to]] '''him'''. He believes that ''he'' was entitled to Watts believed himself more ''deserving'' of Ironwood's respect from Ironwood than Pietro, and was pissed off when that pivotal project and respect went betrayed his country instead of buckling down to Pietro's own work. prove himself ''worthy''. He claims that you need to be smart, but there are a number of times where his own plans gambits fail because of his own [[SmugSnake smug arrogance preventing him from noticing the because he's too arrogant to perceive any flaws of in his own plans.]] Also, his belief that you have to be worthy as opposed to just deserving rings hollow given that ''he'' wasn't worthy enough in Ironwood's eyes back when he was still a respected Atlesian scientist. Ultimately showing that as valid as his criticisms were, the scenario was very much thinking]]. Watts's furious rant ends up being a case of the pot calling the kettle black, given that his own inability to recognize these traits flaws in himself led to allows Cinder easily manipulating to arrange his demise with him to his own demise.
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*** It also goes even further than that, given that Cinder's own backstory establishes that she went through that. Cinder survived an absolutely hellish life of abuse and torment, childhood, with authority figures either abusing her or basically refusing to help her except in the most half-baked ways, leading culminating in her servitude to become the target of an even more dangerous and malevolent abuser in the form of Salem. Watts by contrast was could have lived a cushy life as a respected Atlesian scientist who basically let his own petty jealousy and envy towards Pietro push him scientist, but threw it all away to fake his own death and help out join Salem out of spite, instead of buckling down and improving himself. Overall, for all of Watts' belief in just because his own superiority, his ego was bruised. His ultimate desires paint him as an incredibly cruel and petty man who for all of his genius, wasn't as smart as he believed himself to be.
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** Even if you make the most perfect, airtight plan, even if you do everything perfectly, luck is still a bitch. Even the most painstakingly thought-out plan can fall apart because of an element impossible to anticipate, even the most refined fighting style can fail because of random factors slowing you by a crucial split second. Those kinds of failures are extremely difficult to learn from, since you just can't anticipate random failures without becoming paranoid. So the point would be, yeah, even if we do everything right, we will might mess up, but that doesn't change anything. We still get back up and do our best again next time.
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** Yang actually asks "How do we take the next step," and later compares what they've figured they need to do to "falling off a cliff," to which Blake counters "I think we're already falling." The metaphor about as unsbutle as it could possibly be: the only thing keeping them apart is their own fear and hesitance, and on some level, they're completely aware of that.

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** Yang actually asks "How do we take the next step," and later compares what they've figured they need to do to "falling off a cliff," to which Blake counters "I think we're already falling." The metaphor about as unsbutle unsubtle as it could possibly be: the only thing keeping them apart is their own fear and hesitance, and on some level, they're completely aware of that.



* Ruby and Jaune finally reach Meltdown status, but end up being horrifyingly toxic after spending ''years'' of subconsciously bottling up their feelings. You'd think a team of trained soldiers would notice all the signs of an impending mental breakdown - until you realize that Grimm-infested Remnant ''never needed to refine that skill''. Every time a huntress started losing their grip, the stress would literally attract Grimm to their location, meaning other teammates could easily determine how bad the stress gauge was based on how aggroed the Grimm were. And if someone got angry enough to murder something, there'd be an endless slew of monsters to vent (or die to). Everyone on Remnant has exchanged their training in emotional awareness with ''monster-detecting'' awareness. Ruby and Jaune could ''only'' have this level of uninterrupted Meltdown here, on a whole different planet, which doesn't immediately react to their angst with 'karmic' monster attacks. Without Grimm to indicate an issue, WBY automatically assumes everything is fine with both Ruby and Jaune and then get blindsided by their respective breakdowns.

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* Ruby and Jaune finally reach Meltdown status, but end up being horrifyingly toxic after spending ''years'' of subconsciously bottling up their feelings. You'd think a team of trained soldiers would notice all the signs of an impending mental breakdown - until you realize that Grimm-infested Remnant ''never needed to refine that skill''. Every time a huntress started losing their grip, the stress would literally attract Grimm to their location, meaning other teammates could easily determine how bad the stress gauge was based on how aggroed the Grimm were. And if someone got angry enough to murder something, there'd be an endless slew of monsters to vent (or die to).die) to. Everyone on Remnant has exchanged their training in emotional awareness with ''monster-detecting'' awareness. Ruby and Jaune could ''only'' have this level of uninterrupted Meltdown here, on a whole different planet, which doesn't immediately react to their angst with 'karmic' monster attacks. Without Grimm to indicate an issue, WBY automatically assumes everything is fine with both Ruby and Jaune and then get blindsided by their respective breakdowns.

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