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26th Oct '17 10:58:08 PM GopherBroke
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** Had they been aware of the possibility for a [[LogicBomb serious internal conflict for HAL]], they probably would have allowed him to let Frank and Dave know that some information was being kept secret. The problem is, they weren't aware that it could create such a serious issue in the first place. In all likelihood, a computer as complex as HAL wouldn't be fully understood by any one person, particularly since its mind seems to grow and change like an organic brain. What seems obvious in retrospect wouldn't be so readily apparent if HAL were designed to be resistant to such a conflict of priorities, but had developed over time in a way that made him more susceptible to it. The fact that the mission has a classified component under wraps. The fact that it was only after another computer evinced similar symptoms supports this, since an after accident investigation of the source code would have revealed an issue there without the need for a second occurence. So as far as they're concerned, there's no problem with keeping the mission's confidential component completely hidden. It's easier to prevent suspicion if there's no reason whatsoever to be suspicious.

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** Had they been aware of the possibility for a [[LogicBomb serious internal conflict for HAL]], they probably would have allowed him to let Frank and Dave know that some information was being kept secret. The problem is, they weren't aware that it could create such a serious issue in the first place. In all likelihood, a computer as complex as HAL wouldn't be fully understood by any one person, particularly since its mind seems to grow and change like an organic brain. What seems obvious in retrospect wouldn't be so readily apparent if HAL were designed to be resistant to such a conflict of priorities, but had developed over time in a way that made him more susceptible to it. The fact that the mission has a classified component under wraps. The fact that it was only after another computer evinced similar symptoms supports this, since an after accident investigation of the source code would have revealed an issue there without the need for a second occurence. So as As far as they're concerned, there's no problem with keeping the mission's confidential component completely hidden. It's easier to prevent suspicion if there's no reason whatsoever to be suspicious.
26th Oct '17 10:56:07 PM GopherBroke
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** Had they been aware of the possibility for a [[LogicBomb serious internal conflict for HAL]], they probably would have allowed him to let Frank and Dave know that some information was being kept secret. The problem is, they weren't aware that it could create such a serious issue in the first place. In all likelihood, a computer as complex as HAL wouldn't be fully understood by any one person, particularly since its mind seems to grow and change like an organic brain. What seems obvious in retrospect wouldn't be so readily apparent if HAL were designed to be resistant to such a conflict of priorities, but had developed over time in a way that made him more susceptible to it. So far as they're concerned, there should be no issue with him just keeping the fact that the mission has a classified component under wraps. It's easier to prevent suspicion if there's no reason whatsoever to be suspicious.

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** Had they been aware of the possibility for a [[LogicBomb serious internal conflict for HAL]], they probably would have allowed him to let Frank and Dave know that some information was being kept secret. The problem is, they weren't aware that it could create such a serious issue in the first place. In all likelihood, a computer as complex as HAL wouldn't be fully understood by any one person, particularly since its mind seems to grow and change like an organic brain. What seems obvious in retrospect wouldn't be so readily apparent if HAL were designed to be resistant to such a conflict of priorities, but had developed over time in a way that made him more susceptible to it. So far as they're concerned, there should be no issue with him just keeping the The fact that the mission has a classified component under wraps.wraps. The fact that it was only after another computer evinced similar symptoms supports this, since an after accident investigation of the source code would have revealed an issue there without the need for a second occurence. So as far as they're concerned, there's no problem with keeping the mission's confidential component completely hidden. It's easier to prevent suspicion if there's no reason whatsoever to be suspicious.
26th Oct '17 10:51:12 PM GopherBroke
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** They were glorified chauffeurs, they were there to keep the ship running and get it to Jupiter, the astronauts in stasis were the ones who were going to be doing all the testing and exploration of the monolith. Dave and Frank didn't need to know because, well, they didn't need to know.

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** *** They were glorified chauffeurs, they were there to keep the ship running and get it to Jupiter, the astronauts in stasis were the ones who were going to be doing all the testing and exploration of the monolith. Dave and Frank didn't need to know because, well, they didn't need to know.
** Had they been aware of the possibility for a [[LogicBomb serious internal conflict for HAL]], they probably would have allowed him to let Frank and Dave know that some information was being kept secret. The problem is, they weren't aware that it could create such a serious issue in the first place. In all likelihood, a computer as complex as HAL wouldn't be fully understood by any one person, particularly since its mind seems to grow and change like an organic brain. What seems obvious in retrospect wouldn't be so readily apparent if HAL were designed to be resistant to such a conflict of priorities, but had developed over time in a way that made him more susceptible to it. So far as they're concerned, there should be no issue with him just keeping the fact that the mission has a classified component under wraps. It's easier to prevent suspicion if there's no reason whatsoever to be suspicious.
10th Jul '17 5:31:41 PM ading
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* In ''Literature/ThusSpokeZarathustra'', Zarathustra claims that becoming a (metaphorical) child is the final transformation the soul must undergo to overcome humanity. In ''Film/2001ASpaceOdyssey'', the Firstborn allow Dave to overcome humanity by turning him into a (literal) child.

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* In ''Literature/ThusSpokeZarathustra'', ''Literature/AlsoSprachZarathustra'', Zarathustra claims that becoming a (metaphorical) child is the final transformation the soul must undergo to overcome humanity. In ''Film/2001ASpaceOdyssey'', the Firstborn allow Dave to overcome humanity by turning him into a (literal) child.
10th Jul '17 5:30:59 PM ading
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* At the beginning, the monolith triggers an evolutionary leap, which causes the ape to kill a threat. At the end, Bowman killing a threat is the impetus for him experiencing an evolutionary leap when he goes out to explore the monolith.

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* At the beginning, the monolith triggers an evolutionary leap, which causes the ape to kill a threat. At the end, Bowman killing a threat is the impetus for him experiencing an evolutionary leap when he goes out to explore the monolith.monolith.
* In ''Literature/ThusSpokeZarathustra'', Zarathustra claims that becoming a (metaphorical) child is the final transformation the soul must undergo to overcome humanity. In ''Film/2001ASpaceOdyssey'', the Firstborn allow Dave to overcome humanity by turning him into a (literal) child.
12th Apr '17 6:25:25 AM Hyrin
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* HAL's LogicBomb is brought on because he was, in essence, instructed to lie to Bowman and Poole about their true mission objectives (hinted at here, made canon in both the novelization and 2010). So, why didn't Mission Control simply read Bowman and Poole in and swear them to secrecy? Watch the scene where Mission Control reveals they think HAL was "in error predicting the fault." Poole tries to grill HAL on the possibility that HAL may have made a mistake, and when HAL basically tells him to shut up, Poole has an obvious OhCrap look on his face. Bowman tries to downplay it, then he makes an excuse for him and Poole to go to his pod (saying he had radio trouble), but he's incredibly wooden and unconvincing. Then, when Bowman and Poole go to the pod to discuss their next move, they don't bother to act like they're checking the radio; they just sit there talking, often looking right at HAL. It's little wonder they weren't trusted to keep a secret: ''they're very bad liars.''

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* HAL's LogicBomb is brought on because he was, in essence, instructed to lie to Bowman and Poole about their true mission objectives (hinted at here, made canon in both the novelization and 2010). So, why didn't Mission Control simply read Bowman and Poole in and swear them to secrecy? Watch the scene where Mission Control reveals they think HAL was "in error predicting the fault." Poole tries to grill HAL on the possibility that HAL may have made a mistake, and when HAL basically tells him to shut up, Poole has an obvious OhCrap look on his face. Bowman tries to downplay it, then he makes an excuse for him and Poole to go to his pod (saying he had radio trouble), but he's incredibly wooden and unconvincing. Then, when Bowman and Poole go to the pod to discuss their next move, they don't bother to act like they're checking the radio; they just sit there talking, often looking right at HAL. It's little wonder they weren't trusted to keep a secret: ''they're very bad liars.''''
* At the beginning, the monolith triggers an evolutionary leap, which causes the ape to kill a threat. At the end, Bowman killing a threat is the impetus for him experiencing an evolutionary leap when he goes out to explore the monolith.
9th Apr '17 12:26:32 PM ErikModi
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** They were glorified chauffeurs, they were there to keep the ship running and get it to Jupiter, the astronauts in stasis were the ones who were going to be doing all the testing and exploration of the monolith. Dave and Frank didn't need to know because, well, they didn't need to know.
29th Dec '16 4:37:35 PM Solicitr
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** By this rubric, HAL has also evolved past his original parameters, but Dave effectively lobotomized him (in self defense, sure, but just listen to HAL beg for his life in those final moments).



** By this rubric, HAL has also evolved past his original parameters, but Dave effectively lobotomized him (in self defense, sure, but just listen to HAL beg for his life in those final moments).
29th Dec '16 4:37:07 PM Solicitr
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*** Bet you didn't think it was possible to scream in a monotone.



*** Bet you didn't think it was possible to scream in a monotone.
29th Dec '16 4:36:33 PM Solicitr
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**Simultaneous fridge brilliance lies in the fact that, while the opening title card/chapter heading reads "The Dawn of Man," there is no title at all at the jump cut and the Moon segment: in other words, we are ''still'' at the dawn of man!
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