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12th Apr '17 6:25:25 AM Hyrin
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* HAL's LogicBomb is brought on because he was, in essence, instructed to lie to Bowman and Poole about their true mission objectives (hinted at here, made canon in both the novelization and 2010). So, why didn't Mission Control simply read Bowman and Poole in and swear them to secrecy? Watch the scene where Mission Control reveals they think HAL was "in error predicting the fault." Poole tries to grill HAL on the possibility that HAL may have made a mistake, and when HAL basically tells him to shut up, Poole has an obvious OhCrap look on his face. Bowman tries to downplay it, then he makes an excuse for him and Poole to go to his pod (saying he had radio trouble), but he's incredibly wooden and unconvincing. Then, when Bowman and Poole go to the pod to discuss their next move, they don't bother to act like they're checking the radio; they just sit there talking, often looking right at HAL. It's little wonder they weren't trusted to keep a secret: ''they're very bad liars.''

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* HAL's LogicBomb is brought on because he was, in essence, instructed to lie to Bowman and Poole about their true mission objectives (hinted at here, made canon in both the novelization and 2010). So, why didn't Mission Control simply read Bowman and Poole in and swear them to secrecy? Watch the scene where Mission Control reveals they think HAL was "in error predicting the fault." Poole tries to grill HAL on the possibility that HAL may have made a mistake, and when HAL basically tells him to shut up, Poole has an obvious OhCrap look on his face. Bowman tries to downplay it, then he makes an excuse for him and Poole to go to his pod (saying he had radio trouble), but he's incredibly wooden and unconvincing. Then, when Bowman and Poole go to the pod to discuss their next move, they don't bother to act like they're checking the radio; they just sit there talking, often looking right at HAL. It's little wonder they weren't trusted to keep a secret: ''they're very bad liars.''''
* At the beginning, the monolith triggers an evolutionary leap, which causes the ape to kill a threat. At the end, Bowman killing a threat is the impetus for him experiencing an evolutionary leap when he goes out to explore the monolith.
9th Apr '17 12:26:32 PM ErikModi
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** They were glorified chauffeurs, they were there to keep the ship running and get it to Jupiter, the astronauts in stasis were the ones who were going to be doing all the testing and exploration of the monolith. Dave and Frank didn't need to know because, well, they didn't need to know.
29th Dec '16 4:37:35 PM Solicitr
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** By this rubric, HAL has also evolved past his original parameters, but Dave effectively lobotomized him (in self defense, sure, but just listen to HAL beg for his life in those final moments).



** By this rubric, HAL has also evolved past his original parameters, but Dave effectively lobotomized him (in self defense, sure, but just listen to HAL beg for his life in those final moments).
29th Dec '16 4:37:07 PM Solicitr
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*** Bet you didn't think it was possible to scream in a monotone.



*** Bet you didn't think it was possible to scream in a monotone.
29th Dec '16 4:36:33 PM Solicitr
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**Simultaneous fridge brilliance lies in the fact that, while the opening title card/chapter heading reads "The Dawn of Man," there is no title at all at the jump cut and the Moon segment: in other words, we are ''still'' at the dawn of man!
19th Sep '16 4:38:37 PM peacexfreedom
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* HAL's breakdown demonstrates the fallibility of mankind compared to the Firstborn. Because the humans who created HAL accidentally set up a situation in which it would go crazy and kill the crew, this shows that the human race is still a child compared to such brings as the Firstborn, who presumably would be knowledgeable enough to understand exactly how their technology works and not inadvertently create a LogicBomb.

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* HAL's breakdown demonstrates the fallibility of mankind compared to the Firstborn. Because the humans who created HAL accidentally set up a situation in which it would go crazy and kill the crew, this shows that the human race is still a child compared to such brings beings as the Firstborn, who presumably would be knowledgeable enough to understand exactly how their technology works and not inadvertently create a LogicBomb.
19th Sep '16 11:31:50 AM sturmovik
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* The meta-secrecy about the mission that ultimately led to HAL's insanity doesn't make much sense. HAL didn't go nuts because he had to keep a secret, but because he has to also keep the ''fact'' he was keeping a secret, secret. Both Dave and Frank come across as typical astronauts, who if they didn't have a military background, would at least have been rigorously trained in military fashion to obey orders and have some familiarity with sensitive information. If HAL had been able to tell them that some of the mission parameters were classified it would have not caused a personality conflict since he would not be falsifying information and, given their training, Frank and Dave should have been able to accept that answer. Likewise, having the other members of the crew be loaded aboard ''already'' in hyper sleep was what first made Frank and Dave curious, prompting HALs neurosis. Had normal procedures been followed there would have been less need for deception.
** There are in fact some notable examples of civilian exploration missions having clandestine purposes such as Bob Ballard using his Tinanic search as cover for a secret US Navy mission to locate the wreckage of two sunken submarines, USS Scorpion and USS Thresher
** Could the government really have found only three persons it could trust with the real mission details and not five? No good reason was provided for why Frank and Dave had no need to know.
30th Jun '16 8:52:16 AM DaBradGuy
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* HAL's breakdown demonstrates the fallibility of mankind compared to the Firstborn. Because the humans who created HAL accidentally set up a situation in which it would go crazy and kill the crew, this shows that the human race is still a child compared to such brings as the Firstborn, who presumably would be knowledgeable enough to understand exactly how their technology works and not inadvertently create a LogicBomb.

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* HAL's breakdown demonstrates the fallibility of mankind compared to the Firstborn. Because the humans who created HAL accidentally set up a situation in which it would go crazy and kill the crew, this shows that the human race is still a child compared to such brings as the Firstborn, who presumably would be knowledgeable enough to understand exactly how their technology works and not inadvertently create a LogicBomb.LogicBomb.
* HAL's LogicBomb is brought on because he was, in essence, instructed to lie to Bowman and Poole about their true mission objectives (hinted at here, made canon in both the novelization and 2010). So, why didn't Mission Control simply read Bowman and Poole in and swear them to secrecy? Watch the scene where Mission Control reveals they think HAL was "in error predicting the fault." Poole tries to grill HAL on the possibility that HAL may have made a mistake, and when HAL basically tells him to shut up, Poole has an obvious OhCrap look on his face. Bowman tries to downplay it, then he makes an excuse for him and Poole to go to his pod (saying he had radio trouble), but he's incredibly wooden and unconvincing. Then, when Bowman and Poole go to the pod to discuss their next move, they don't bother to act like they're checking the radio; they just sit there talking, often looking right at HAL. It's little wonder they weren't trusted to keep a secret: ''they're very bad liars.''
16th Feb '16 6:32:49 PM jayhawk01
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* Not sure if this belonged under Horror or Brilliance, but has anyone noticed the rectangular frame surrounding HAL's red eye looks EXACTLY like the Monolith?
9th Dec '15 5:00:52 PM BrendanRizzo
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* The Soviets' British-accented English shows they've been bilingual since childhood -- suggesting a timeline to the amicable relationship between the USSR and the West.

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* The Soviets' British-accented English shows they've been bilingual since childhood -- suggesting a timeline to the amicable relationship between the USSR and the West.West.
* HAL's breakdown demonstrates the fallibility of mankind compared to the Firstborn. Because the humans who created HAL accidentally set up a situation in which it would go crazy and kill the crew, this shows that the human race is still a child compared to such brings as the Firstborn, who presumably would be knowledgeable enough to understand exactly how their technology works and not inadvertently create a LogicBomb.
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