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27th Mar '14 11:13:10 AM Crinias
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* Ciel Good ending is not [[MarryThemAll Harem]]. Its [[{{Netorare}} NTR]]. Arcueid made it clear she only tolerates the situation for now, since Shiki will be hers in the end. She's not less determined than in true ending (possibly more, since she didn't gave up), only methods changed - seduction and kisses instead of [[MurderTheHypotenuse murder]] and mindcontrol. She shamelessly exploits Shiki attraction to her to drive wedge between him and Ciel. And if you remain unconvinced, keep in mind how they kissed - Shiki did not resist the kiss, he returned it, in front of Ciel on top of that. Only thing thats missing is Ciel walking on them getting it on (in Tea Room for maximum insult).
* FringeHorror: So Makihisa's plan of covering up SHIKI's Inversion Impulse was to make Shiki out to be the Tohno heir and making out the adopted child to have died. To do this, Shiki was brainwashed into believing he was Tohno SHIKI and sent to live with a branch family while the real one was locked up in an underground cell until he got back to normal. Okay. So what would have happened if SHIKI had managed to recover from his Inversion Impulse? Given that Makihisa saw Shiki as a placement holder for his son, he may had planned on killing him off to reinsert SHIKI back into the picture which wouldnt be too hard considering he had resources and had memory manipulation powers

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* Ciel Ciel's Good ending is not a [[MarryThemAll Harem]]. Its [[{{Netorare}} NTR]]. Arcueid made it clear she only tolerates the situation for now, since Shiki will be hers in the end. She's not less determined than in true ending (possibly more, since she didn't gave up), only methods changed - seduction and kisses instead of [[MurderTheHypotenuse murder]] and mindcontrol. She shamelessly exploits Shiki attraction to her to drive wedge between him and Ciel. And if you remain unconvinced, keep in mind how they kissed - Shiki did not resist the kiss, he returned it, in front of Ciel on top of that. Only thing thats missing is Ciel walking on them getting it on (in Tea Room for maximum insult).
* FringeHorror: FridgeHorror: So Makihisa's plan of covering up SHIKI's Inversion Impulse was to make Shiki out to be the Tohno heir and making out the adopted child to have died. To do this, Shiki was brainwashed into believing he was Tohno SHIKI and sent to live with a branch family while the real one was locked up in an underground cell until he got back to normal. Okay. So what would have happened if SHIKI had managed to recover from his Inversion Impulse? Given that Makihisa saw Shiki as a placement holder for his son, he may had planned on killing him off to reinsert SHIKI back into the picture which wouldnt be too hard considering he had resources and had memory manipulation powers
13th Nov '13 4:42:55 PM EDP
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* FridgeHorror from EDP: Ciel was immortal because the World recognized her as Roa and Roa can't be dead when he's alive. The thing is: she's the ''seventeenth incarnation of Roa'', counting his original body. Who says the other 15 hosts of Roa between the original body and her have not suffered her same condition, only for ''far longer''?
18th Sep '13 8:07:31 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Ciel Good ending is not [[MarryThemAll Harem]]. Its [[NetorareGenre NTR]]. Arcueid made it clear she only tolerates the situation for now, since Shiki will be hers in the end. She's not less determined than in true ending (possibly more, since she didn't gave up), only methods changed - seduction and kisses instead of [[MurderTheHypotenuse murder]] and mindcontrol. She shamelessly exploits Shiki attraction to her to drive wedge between him and Ciel. And if you remain unconvinced, keep in mind how they kissed - Shiki did not resist the kiss, he returned it, in front of Ciel on top of that. Only thing thats missing is Ciel walking on them getting it on (in Tea Room for maximum insult).

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* Ciel Good ending is not [[MarryThemAll Harem]]. Its [[NetorareGenre [[{{Netorare}} NTR]]. Arcueid made it clear she only tolerates the situation for now, since Shiki will be hers in the end. She's not less determined than in true ending (possibly more, since she didn't gave up), only methods changed - seduction and kisses instead of [[MurderTheHypotenuse murder]] and mindcontrol. She shamelessly exploits Shiki attraction to her to drive wedge between him and Ciel. And if you remain unconvinced, keep in mind how they kissed - Shiki did not resist the kiss, he returned it, in front of Ciel on top of that. Only thing thats missing is Ciel walking on them getting it on (in Tea Room for maximum insult).
21st Jun '13 10:00:19 PM spinindiamond
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*FringeHorror: So Makihisa's plan of covering up SHIKI's Inversion Impulse was to make Shiki out to be the Tohno heir and making out the adopted child to have died. To do this, Shiki was brainwashed into believing he was Tohno SHIKI and sent to live with a branch family while the real one was locked up in an underground cell until he got back to normal. Okay. So what would have happened if SHIKI had managed to recover from his Inversion Impulse? Given that Makihisa saw Shiki as a placement holder for his son, he may had planned on killing him off to reinsert SHIKI back into the picture which wouldnt be too hard considering he had resources and had memory manipulation powers
16th Jun '13 2:59:00 AM Mackus
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* Ciel Good ending is not [[MarryThemAll Harem]]. Its [[NetorareGenre NTR]]. Arcueid made it clear she only tolerates the situation for now, since Shiki will be hers in the end. She's not less determined than in true ending (possibly more, since she didn't gave up), only methods changed - seduction and kisses instead of [[MurderTheHypotenuse murder]] and mindcontrol. She shamelessly exploits Shiki attraction to her to drive wedge between him and Ciel. And if you remain unconvinced, keep in mind how they kissed - Shiki did not resist the kiss, he returned it, in front of Ciel on top of that. Only thing thats missing is Ciel walking on them getting it on (in Tea Room for maximum insult).
3rd Feb '11 2:52:41 PM Cally
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Up until her [[spoiler: role in the plot]] becomes clear during the WhamEpisode, her appearances and interactions with Shiki, as well as his thoughts about her, have been entirely superficial; the size of her role in the story is vastly smaller than that of every other heroine, even when they are not the main characters in the route (Arcueid in Far Side notwithstanding, but she doesn't really count). How is this brilliant? In every route before Hisui's endings, since she gets so little character development, Shiki basically doesn't think too hard about her, and if we're playing in the recommended order, the reader probably does not either. So, she's mostly relegated to the background, which is ''exactly'' [[spoiler: what happened in-plot during in her backstory]].

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\n** Up until her [[spoiler: role in the plot]] becomes clear during the WhamEpisode, her appearances and interactions with Shiki, as well as his thoughts about her, have been entirely superficial; the size of her role in the story is vastly smaller than that of every other heroine, even when they are not the main characters in the route (Arcueid in Far Side notwithstanding, but she doesn't really count). How is this brilliant? In every route before Hisui's endings, since she gets so little character development, Shiki basically doesn't think too hard about her, and if we're playing in the recommended order, the reader probably does not either. So, she's mostly relegated to the background, which is ''exactly'' [[spoiler: what happened in-plot during in her backstory]].




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* It's established that Makihisa has the ability to alter a person's memory. This is how Shiki forgot about SHIKI and thought he was always related to the Tohno family. All well and good, except I asked myself: "Why does Makihisa not use this power on ''Kohaku''?" Makihisa knew he was basically destroying her life by using her how he did. Why not erase her memories of every incident? Then I realized that Kohaku isn't just a toy for Makihisa, she's also the person being trained to be his personal doctor. We don't know how specific or general the 'memory loss' power really is, but he probably did not use it on Kohaku because if she forgot all of the skills she was learning he wouldn't be able to depend on her for medicine. -Cally
22nd Jan '11 8:04:43 PM redsilversnake
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* ''{{Tsukihime}}'' is one of my favorite games, even to where I never really found anything wrong with the game's (apparently infamous) H-scenes...well, with one exception. With Arcueid, the sex is a natural conclusion to their [[UnresolvedSexualTension slowly blossoming relationship]]. With Akiha, it's a desperate act of love with a girl [[YourDaysAreNumbered fully convinced that she's doomed to die or go insane]]. With Hisui or Kohaku, it's [[IntimateHealing a life-saving measure]] that turns into a true expression of love. With Ciel, Shiki's got one of those longer-than-four-hour erections the commercials warn you about, and he needs her help to come down...''buh''? Whatever flaws Nasu's sex scenes have in eroticism they tend to make up in story, and ''Tsukihime'' had up to then seemed free of the nonsensical excuses for sex so often found in other {{Eroge}}. It bugged me for quite a while, until I remembered several things. Ciel's mentioning that she'd gone through something similar when [[spoiler:she was Roa's incarnation]] (which the encounter with Dark Ciel in ''Kagetsu Tohya'' reinforces), the rather disturbing (especially [[FunnyAneurysmMoment in retrospect]]) Bad End where Shiki gives in to the urges and rapes Kohaku, the dream image where [[spoiler:SHIKI]] does the same, and even Satsuki's unnatural obsession with Shiki after [[spoiler:she's turned into a vampire]]. It struck me suddenly that, far from being a [[ExcusePlot flimsy justification]], Ciel's task of [[spoiler:suppressing Roa]] really ''was'' a sensible genuinely needed act of IntimateHealing. - DrowLord

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* ''{{Tsukihime}}'' is one of my favorite games, even to where I never really found anything wrong with the game's (apparently infamous) H-scenes...well, with one exception. With Arcueid, the sex is a natural conclusion to their [[UnresolvedSexualTension slowly blossoming relationship]]. With Akiha, it's a desperate act of love with a girl [[YourDaysAreNumbered fully convinced that she's doomed to die or go insane]]. With Hisui or Kohaku, it's [[IntimateHealing a life-saving measure]] that turns into a true expression of love. With Ciel, Shiki's got one of those longer-than-four-hour erections the commercials warn you about, and he needs her help to come down...''buh''? Whatever flaws Nasu's sex scenes have in eroticism they tend to make up in story, and ''Tsukihime'' had up to then seemed free of the nonsensical excuses for sex so often found in other {{Eroge}}. It bugged me for quite a while, until I remembered several things. Ciel's mentioning that she'd gone through something similar when [[spoiler:she was Roa's incarnation]] (which the encounter with Dark Ciel in ''Kagetsu Tohya'' reinforces), the rather disturbing (especially [[FunnyAneurysmMoment in retrospect]]) Bad End where Shiki gives in to the urges and rapes Kohaku, the dream image where [[spoiler:SHIKI]] does the same, and even Satsuki's unnatural obsession with Shiki after [[spoiler:she's turned into a vampire]]. It struck me suddenly that, far from being a [[ExcusePlot [[DeusSexMachina flimsy justification]], Ciel's task of [[spoiler:suppressing Roa]] really ''was'' a sensible genuinely needed act of IntimateHealing. - DrowLord
16th Dec '10 6:16:29 PM talos1024
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* There is a brilliant parallel between Kohaku's backstory and her role in the story.

Up until her [[spoiler: role in the plot]] becomes clear during the WhamEpisode, her appearances and interactions with Shiki, as well as his thoughts about her, have been entirely superficial; the size of her role in the story is vastly smaller than that of every other heroine, even when they are not the main characters in the route (Arcueid in Far Side notwithstanding, but she doesn't really count). How is this brilliant? In every route before Hisui's endings, since she gets so little character development, Shiki basically doesn't think too hard about her, and if we're playing in the recommended order, the reader probably does not either. So, she's mostly relegated to the background, which is ''exactly'' [[spoiler: what happened in-plot during in her backstory]].
1st Dec '10 6:13:40 PM BritBllt
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