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* [[spoiler: The "Rat King" might seem like an odd name for the horrific creature you meet, unless you look it up. Rat Kings are a real (if rare) phenomena, where several rats end up conjoined by the tail, usually due to their swarming nature, it isn't even a death sentence, some specimens have been noted to have their tails beginning to callus, which indicates long term joining]], it's actually a perfect name for it.

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* [[spoiler: The "Rat King" King"]] might seem like an odd name for the [[spoiler:the horrific creature you meet, meet,]] unless you look it up. Rat Kings [[spoiler:Rat Kings]] are a real (if rare) phenomena, where several [[spoiler:several rats end up conjoined by the tail, usually due to their swarming nature, it isn't even a death sentence, some specimens have been noted to have their tails beginning to callus, which indicates long term joining]], joining]],]] it's actually a perfect name for it.
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* [[spoiler: The "Rat King" might seem like an odd name for the horrific creature you meet, unless you look it up, Rat Kings are a real (if rare) phenomena, where several rats end up conjoined by the tail, usually due to their swarming nature, it isn't even a death sentence, some specimens have been noted to have their tails beginning to callus, which indicates long term joining]], it's actually a perfect name for it.

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* [[spoiler: The "Rat King" might seem like an odd name for the horrific creature you meet, unless you look it up, up. Rat Kings are a real (if rare) phenomena, where several rats end up conjoined by the tail, usually due to their swarming nature, it isn't even a death sentence, some specimens have been noted to have their tails beginning to callus, which indicates long term joining]], it's actually a perfect name for it.

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* If the theory that [[spoiler:Joel is dead]] is true, that also leads some fridge to one of the lines Ellie sings as the camera focuses on him or [[spoiler:his ghost/Ellie's imagination:]] ''"... and I will dwell on this Earth forever more."''
** It could also provide an motivation for Ellie's RoaringRampageOfRevenge.

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* If the theory that [[spoiler:Joel is dead]] is true, that [[spoiler:Joel's death]] also leads some fridge to one of the lines Ellie sings as the camera focuses on him or [[spoiler:his ghost/Ellie's imagination:]] ''"... and I will dwell on this Earth forever more."''
** It could also provide an motivation for Ellie's RoaringRampageOfRevenge.
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* The prevalence of rhyming storylines. Ellie and Abby are playing out different parts of the same story: the emotional toll of a RoaringRampageOfRevenge. Abby's story also rhymes with Joel's from the first game: a cold, broken, traumatised survivor finds a measure of healing and redemption by protecting and caring for a young person. Owen's arc even gets a rhyme in the ApocalypseLog of the Firefly that Ellie and Joel find at the Wyoming Museum: a one-time true believer of the cause who became disillusioned after one too many acts of violence and oppression.

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* The prevalence of rhyming storylines. Ellie and Abby are playing out different parts of the same story: the emotional toll of a RoaringRampageOfRevenge. Abby's story also rhymes with Joel's from the first game: a cold, broken, traumatised survivor finds a measure of healing and redemption by protecting and caring for a young person. Owen's arc even gets a rhyme in the ApocalypseLog ApocalypticLog of the Firefly that Ellie and Joel find at the Wyoming Museum: a one-time true believer of the cause who became disillusioned after one too many acts of violence and oppression.
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*** Adding onto this, taking into account this game's infamous "Vita girl" who spends both of her scenes devotedly playing ''VideoGame/HotlineMiami'', it isn't very farfetched to guess that Ellie and/or Dina got the chance to play ''Crash Bandicoot'' at some point in their lives, especially in the large, cozy settlement of Jackson that's as close to the old world as the post-apocalypse can get.
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This was both factually wrong and half-right. Abby does bite off Ellie's ring finger, but her pinky is damaged enough that it's implied Ellie amputates it offscreen.


* During their final confrontation, Abby [[spoiler: bites off two of Ellie's fingers]]. It's unlikely that Abby's [[spoiler: jaws were strong enough to bite through the bone clean through]], so she likely [[spoiler: stripped Ellie's fingers of skin and muscle, leaving the bone visible]]. As if that wasn't enough, that likely means that [[spoiler: Ellie had to amputate her fingers by herself later]].

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* During their final confrontation, Abby [[spoiler: bites off two of Ellie's fingers]]. It's unlikely that Abby's fingers]], but if you look closely, she only [[spoiler: jaws were strong enough to bite through the bone clean through]], so she likely [[spoiler: stripped bites ''off'' Ellie's fingers of skin and muscle, leaving the bone visible]]. As if that wasn't enough, that likely ring finger]]. That almost certainly means that [[spoiler: Ellie had to amputate her fingers pinky by herself later]].
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\n* During their final confrontation, Abby [[spoiler: bites off two of Ellie's fingers]]. It's unlikely that Abby's [[spoiler: jaws were strong enough to bite through the bone clean through]], so she likely [[spoiler: stripped Ellie's fingers of skin and muscle, leaving the bone visible]]. As if that wasn't enough, that likely means that [[spoiler: Ellie had to amputate her fingers by herself later]].
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\n* Ellie's tattoo features a moth, and so does her guitar. Abby used to be a member of the fireflies. Ellie is chasing after Abby. Moths are known for being drawn to light, which sometimes brings their death (if it's a lightbulb for example).

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\n* The prevalence of rhyming storylines. Ellie and Abby are playing out different parts of the same story: the emotional toll of a RoaringRampageOfRevenge. Abby's story also rhymes with Joel's from the first game: a cold, broken, traumatised survivor finds a measure of healing and redemption by protecting and caring for a young person. Owen's arc even gets a rhyme in the ApocalypseLog of the Firefly that Ellie and Joel find at the Wyoming Museum: a one-time true believer of the cause who became disillusioned after one too many acts of violence and oppression.

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* Jesse's parents are mentioned in Ellie's journal. Imagine what their reaction was like when they found out about his death.
* Since Ellie dropped the map that noted her hideout after killing Owen and Mel due to the shock that the latter was pregnant, does she ever find out that she was indirectly responsible for the events at the theatre that lead to Jesse's death and Tommy and Dina almost dying? If so, imagine the guilt she must've felt on top of losing Joel...


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* Jesse's parents are mentioned in Ellie's journal. Imagine what their reaction was like when they found out about his death.
death. Granted a letter presumably from Jesse's mom that can be read at the farmhouse states that she doesn't blame her for his death (even though Ellie unknowingly left the map behind at the aquarium after killing Owen and Mel which then led to Abby and Lev finding it so it was indirectly her fault) but still.
* Since Ellie dropped the map that noted her hideout after killing Owen and Mel due to the shock that the latter was pregnant, does she ever find out that she was indirectly responsible for the events at the theatre that lead to Jesse's death and herself, Tommy and Dina almost dying? If so, imagine the guilt she must've felt on top of losing Joel...

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* The long-abandoned basement of the WLF hospital in Seattle contains a bunch of live infected including [[spoiler:the unique Rat King]]. All of them are trapped alone in locked isolation chambers when you first arrive, implying they're some of the first infected from the original outbreak 25 years ago and have been there ever since. This raises some questions, like why are there only Stalkers and Clickers around (infected this old should've evolved into Bloaters long ago), and how are they even still alive after more than two decades without food? After all, infected are TechnicallyLivingZombies that are repeatedly shown to be requiring nourishment, which makes the entire thing come across as the devs plonking down some enemies for the sake of enemies, logic be damned.

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* The long-abandoned basement of the WLF hospital in Seattle contains a bunch of live infected including [[spoiler:the unique Rat King]]. All of them are trapped alone in locked isolation chambers when you first arrive, implying they're some of the first infected from the original outbreak 25 years ago and have been there ever since. This raises some questions, like why are there only Stalkers and Clickers around (infected this old should've evolved into Bloaters long ago), and how are they even still alive after more than two decades without food? After all, infected are TechnicallyLivingZombies {{Technically Living Zombie}}s that are repeatedly shown to be requiring nourishment, which makes the entire thing come across as the devs plonking down some enemies for the sake of enemies, logic be damned.

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* The long-abandoned basement of the WLF hospital in Seattle contains a bunch of live infected including [[spoiler:the unique Rat King]]. All of them are trapped alone in locked isolation chambers when you first arrive, implying they're some of the first infected from the original outbreak 25 years ago and have been there ever since. This raises some questions, like why are there only Stalkers and Clickers around (infected this old should've evolved into Bloaters long ago), and how are they even still alive after more than two decades without food? After all, infected are TechnicallyLivingZombies that are repeatedly shown to be requiring nourishment, which makes the entire thing come across as the devs plonking down some enemies for the sake of enemies, logic be damned.
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* Looking at a map of southern California, it might be confusing as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies were apparently setting off from there to Catalina Island instead of the much closer and more numerous Channel Islands]]. However, since the latter have no real infrastructure compared to the former, they wouldn't be as fitting of a place to do the type of work that needed doing. Of course, that raises its own FridgeLogic as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies didn't just set off from Long Beach]], assuming they're even still around.


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* Looking at a map of southern California, it might be confusing as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies were apparently setting off from there Santa Barbara to Catalina Island instead of the much closer and more numerous Channel Islands]]. However, since the latter have no real infrastructure compared to the former, they wouldn't be as fitting of a place to do the type of work that needed doing. Of course, that raises its own FridgeLogic as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies didn't just set off from Long Beach]], assuming they're even still around.

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* Looking at a map of southern California, it might be confusing as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies were apparently setting off from there to Catalina Island instead of the much closer and more numerous Channel Islands]]. However, since the former have no real infrastructure compared to the latter, they wouldn't be as fitting of a place to do the type of work that needed doing. Of course, that raises its own FridgeLogic as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies didn't just set off from Long Beach]], assuming they're even still around.


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* Looking at a map of southern California, it might be confusing as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies were apparently setting off from there to Catalina Island instead of the much closer and more numerous Channel Islands]]. However, since the former latter have no real infrastructure compared to the latter, former, they wouldn't be as fitting of a place to do the type of work that needed doing. Of course, that raises its own FridgeLogic as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies didn't just set off from Long Beach]], assuming they're even still around.

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\n* Since Ellie dropped the map that noted her hideout after killing Owen and Mel due to the shock that the latter was pregnant, does she ever find out that she was indirectly responsible for the events at the theatre that lead to Jesse's death and Tommy and Dina almost dying? If so, imagine the guilt she must've felt on top of losing Joel...

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* Just like the first game, ''Part 2'' revolves on a mission the protagonists are out to fulfill [[spoiler:that they end up not doing in the end; "create a vaccine from Ellie", and "kill Abby".]]

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\n* Looking at a map of southern California, it might be confusing as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies were apparently setting off from there to Catalina Island instead of the much closer and more numerous Channel Islands]]. However, since the former have no real infrastructure compared to the latter, they wouldn't be as fitting of a place to do the type of work that needed doing. Of course, that raises its own FridgeLogic as to why [[spoiler:the Fireflies didn't just set off from Long Beach]], assuming they're even still around.

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They did find out, you can read a letter from them in the farm house where they explain not blaming anyone for his death and they're happy to let Dina and the baby come and live with them should she ever need to.


* Jesse's parents are mentioned in Ellie's journal. Imagine what their reaction was like if they ever found out about his death.


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* Just like the first game, ''Part 2'' revolves on a mission the protagonists are out to fulfill [[spoiler:that they end up not doing in the end; "find the Fireflies so they can make a vaccine from Ellie", and "find and kill Abby".]]

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* Just like the first game, ''Part 2'' revolves on a mission the protagonists are out to fulfill [[spoiler:that they end up not doing in the end; "find the Fireflies so they can make "create a vaccine from Ellie", and "find and kill "kill Abby".]]
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\n* Assuming Bill is still alive, how would he react to finding out that not only Tess was dead the entire time (something he didn't know about in the previous game) but that Joel has now died as well? As if losing Frank wasn't enough...

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* [[Spoiler: The "Rat King" might seem like an odd name for the horrific creature you meet, unless you look it up, Rat Kings are a real (if rare) phenomena, where several rats end up conjoined by the tail, usually due to their swarming nature, it isn't even a death sentence, some specimens have been noted to have their tails beginning to callus, which indicates long term joining]], it's actually a perfect name for it.






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* [[Spoiler: The "Rat King" might seem like an odd name for the horrific creature you meet, unless you look it up, Rat Kings are a real (if rare) phenomena, where several rats end up conjoined by the tail, usually due to their swarming nature, it isn't even a death sentence, some specimens have been noted to have their tails beginning to callus, which indicates long term joining]], it's actually a perfect name for it.
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\n* The moment Ellie learns the truth from Joel. [[spoiler: it’s not just that he basically lied to her. It’s that he effectively destroyed humanity’s best, and only chance at stopping the Plague by killing the leader, senior officials, and surgeon.]]

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* Just like the first game, ''Part 2'' revolves on a mission the protagonists are out to fulfill [[spoiler:that they end up not doing in the end; "find the Fireflies so they can make a vaccine from Ellie", and "kill Abby".]]



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* Just like the first game, ''Part 2'' revolves on a mission the protagonists are out to fulfill [[spoiler:that they end up not doing in the end; "find the Fireflies so they can make a vaccine from Ellie", and "kill "find and kill Abby".]]


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* Just like the first game, ''Part 2'' revolves on a mission the protagonists are out to fulfill [[spoiler:that they end up not doing at in the end; "find the Fireflies so they can make a vaccine from Ellie", and "kill Abby".]]


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!!Fridge Horror
* One of the first shots of the teaser shows a tree with deep claw marks in it. Given how none of the first game's infected had claws this indicates that we'll likely have new types of infected able to leave a mark like that. Or it could even be an infected ''animal''.
** Which, in retrospect, could bring back on the table what was originally in store for the first game: [[http://images.pushsquare.com/news/2014/07/weirdness_what_if_animals_got_infected_in_the_last_of_us_fiction/attachment/1/original.jpg Like this infected LION...]]
* Pretty much the only reason the first game did not have a DownerEnding (just a very bitter BitterSweetEnding) was that, basically, Ellie lived and showed herself to be a decent person in spite of everything. The second game's teaser - '''just the teaser!!''' - shoots that all to hell by revealing Ellie has become just as cold, bitter, angry, unstable and violent as Joel regretted becoming. Retroactively, the first game is now Ellie's StartOfDarkness!
* Even worse is how the last game ended. Ellie believes that there are others immune to the cordyceps infection like her. It could be possible that during the TimeSkip or later in the game she learns the truth and how Joel basically lied to her about the Fireflies. If they're the focus of Ellie's RoaringRampageOfRevenge, it could pretty much mean that it's AllForNothing!
** Although Ellie's targets are indeed former Fireflies, she's not after the group as a whole, so this one is essentially {{Jossed}}. AllForNothing still summarizes the plot pretty well, though, with all that implies.
* When the WLF launch an all-out assault on the Seraphites main base near the end of the game, their leader Isaac commits every able-bodied fighter to the attack. ''Everyone''. Then the assault fails, leaving a homicidal cult as the only somewhat combat-ready faction in greater Seattle. It's not hard to imagine that the survivors will want payback, and with the WLF home base now mostly unprotected, another massacre is already brewing on the horizon, especially since the Seraphite island is a burned-out ruin while the WLF base is still intact. Keep in mind there are children at both bases, and neither side has any qualms about killing kids.
* The main theme of the game is the CycleOfRevenge. Both Abby and Ellie kill hundreds of people in an attempt to get revenge on each other. Anyone of those victims could have friends and family that are now thinking the same thing. Going after both Abby, Ellie, and their loved ones ensuring the ViciousCycle never ends.


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!!Fridge Horror
* One of the first shots of the teaser shows a tree with deep claw marks in it. Given how none of the first game's infected had claws this indicates that we'll likely have new types of infected able to leave a mark like that. Or it could even be an infected ''animal''.
** Which, in retrospect, could bring back on the table what was originally in store for the first game: [[http://images.pushsquare.com/news/2014/07/weirdness_what_if_animals_got_infected_in_the_last_of_us_fiction/attachment/1/original.jpg Like this infected LION...]]
* Pretty much the only reason the first game did not have a DownerEnding (just a very bitter BitterSweetEnding) was that, basically, Ellie lived and showed herself to be a decent person in spite of everything. The second game's teaser - '''just the teaser!!''' - shoots that all to hell by revealing Ellie has become just as cold, bitter, angry, unstable and violent as Joel regretted becoming. Retroactively, the first game is now Ellie's StartOfDarkness!
* Even worse is how the last game ended. Ellie believes that there are others immune to the cordyceps infection like her. It could be possible that during the TimeSkip or later in the game she learns the truth and how Joel basically lied to her about the Fireflies. If they're the focus of Ellie's RoaringRampageOfRevenge, it could pretty much mean that it's AllForNothing!
** Although Ellie's targets are indeed former Fireflies, she's not after the group as a whole, so this one is essentially {{Jossed}}. AllForNothing still summarizes the plot pretty well, though, with all that implies.
* When the WLF launch an all-out assault on the Seraphites main base near the end of the game, their leader Isaac commits every able-bodied fighter to the attack. ''Everyone''. Then the assault fails, leaving a homicidal cult as the only somewhat combat-ready faction in greater Seattle. It's not hard to imagine that the survivors will want payback, and with the WLF home base now mostly unprotected, another massacre is already brewing on the horizon, especially since the Seraphite island is a burned-out ruin while the WLF base is still intact. Keep in mind there are children at both bases, and neither side has any qualms about killing kids.
* The main theme of the game is the CycleOfRevenge. Both Abby and Ellie kill hundreds of people in an attempt to get revenge on each other. Anyone of those victims could have friends and family that are now thinking the same thing. Going after both Abby, Ellie, and their loved ones ensuring the ViciousCycle never ends.





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!!Fridge Horror
* One of the first shots of the teaser shows a tree with deep claw marks in it. Given how none of the first game's infected had claws this indicates that we'll likely have new types of infected able to leave a mark like that. Or it could even be an infected ''animal''.
** Which, in retrospect, could bring back on the table what was originally in store for the first game: [[http://images.pushsquare.com/news/2014/07/weirdness_what_if_animals_got_infected_in_the_last_of_us_fiction/attachment/1/original.jpg Like this infected LION...]]
* Pretty much the only reason the first game did not have a DownerEnding (just a very bitter BitterSweetEnding) was that, basically, Ellie lived and showed herself to be a decent person in spite of everything. The second game's teaser - '''just the teaser!!''' - shoots that all to hell by revealing Ellie has become just as cold, bitter, angry, unstable and violent as Joel regretted becoming. Retroactively, the first game is now Ellie's StartOfDarkness!
* Even worse is how the last game ended. Ellie believes that there are others immune to the cordyceps infection like her. It could be possible that during the TimeSkip or later in the game she learns the truth and how Joel basically lied to her about the Fireflies. If they're the focus of Ellie's RoaringRampageOfRevenge, it could pretty much mean that it's AllForNothing!
** Although Ellie's targets are indeed former Fireflies, she's not after the group as a whole, so this one is essentially {{Jossed}}. AllForNothing still summarizes the plot pretty well, though, with all that implies.
* When the WLF launch an all-out assault on the Seraphites main base near the end of the game, their leader Isaac commits every able-bodied fighter to the attack. ''Everyone''. Then the assault fails, leaving a homicidal cult as the only somewhat combat-ready faction in greater Seattle. It's not hard to imagine that the survivors will want payback, and with the WLF home base now mostly unprotected, another massacre is already brewing on the horizon, especially since the Seraphite island is a burned-out ruin while the WLF base is still intact. Keep in mind there are children at both bases, and neither side has any qualms about killing kids.
* The main theme of the game is the CycleOfRevenge. Both Abby and Ellie kill hundreds of people in an attempt to get revenge on each other. Anyone of those victims could have friends and family that are now thinking the same thing. Going after both Abby, Ellie, and their loved ones ensuring the ViciousCycle never ends.

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** Although Ellie's targets are indeed former Fireflies, she's not after the group as a whole, so this one is essentially {{Jossed}}. AllForNothing still summarizes the plot pretty well, though, with all that implies.
* When the WLF launch an all-out assault on the Seraphites main base near the end of the game, their leader Isaac commits every able-bodied fighter to the attack. ''Everyone''. Then the assault fails, leaving a homicidal cult as the only somewhat combat-ready faction in greater Seattle. It's not hard to imagine that the survivors will want payback, and with the WLF home base now mostly unprotected, another massacre is already brewing on the horizon, especially since the Seraphite island is a burned-out ruin while the WLF base is still intact. Keep in mind there are children at both bases, and neither side has any qualms about killing kids.

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** Well, in "Left Behind" Riley quoted the 1939 Wizard of Oz movie (as in, you know, Ruby Slippers) and electricity exist in the more post-post apocalyptic zones (”Kids will be watching movies Tonight!") so it is not like media and culture was swallowed by a black hole during Outbreak Day.

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** Well, in "Left Behind" Riley quoted the 1939 Wizard of Oz movie (as in, you know, Ruby Slippers) and electricity exist in the more post-post apocalyptic zones (”Kids will be watching movies Tonight!") so it is not like media and culture was swallowed by a black hole during Outbreak Day.Day, never to been seen or talked about again. And people in this world [[TheCameo REALLY enjoyed their PS3s and Naughty Dog titles]].

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