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* ''Topsy-Turvy'' states the Festival of Fools takes place on "the Sixth of Janurvy (January)". What day is that in the Catholic calendar? The Feast of the Epiphany (when the Magi paid homage to the baby Jesus and presented their gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. It's also the final day of the 12 day long Christmas Season). What happens after the Magi depart? They had been asked by King Herod to tell him who and where the newborn Messiah is so Herod can pay tribute. God, however, knew that Herod had every intention of killing Jesus and thus sent an angel to warn them. They took a different route home. When the Magi didn't show up again, what did Herod do in response? ''Command the slaughter of every newborn boy in Bethlehem'' in order to keep power. What happens in Paris after Frollo learns that Esmeralda escaped Notre Dame and nobody would tell him where she was?
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* During "Hellfire," a soldier brings the news to Frollo that Esmeralda has escaped from Notre Dame. He informs him that she's "nowhere in the cathedral." Now, how did they learn that she wasn't in the bell tower with Quasimodo? Not from Phoebus, because he left the tower still thinking she was there. Poor Quasimodo's happy "Heaven's Light' reverie must have been cut short by more soldiers invading his tower in search of Esmeralda, and they would have treated him with much less respect than Phoebus did.
[[AC:FridgeLogic]]
* Frollo burns a house down after locking the family inside. Why would you design a door so it could be barricaded shut from the outside?
** If you look, it's a handle on the door which conveniently serves as the barricade support. That said, fridge logic might come into play if one questions exactly what that house is made out of given its ignition speed...
*** Grain is extremely combustible and can explode if ignited in an enclosed area. A windmill is a party-house of combustion with leather, tar and thatch, and in a dry summer would be a live-in bonfire.
* Victor Hugo's full name was Victor-'''Marie''' Hugo. The two male gargoyles are called Victor and Hugo, after him. The third and female gargoyle is called... Laverne. Huh?
** Quasimodo named a bunch of the bells "Marie." Doesn't explain specifically where Laverne's name comes from, but it does explain why she's not called Marie, at least.
*** No real explanation attached, but many web sources (imdb, etc) seem to think she was named after one of the "Andrews Sisters." Couldn't find anything confirmed by Disney, though.
*** The reason for the some of bells being named "Marie" is the names given by Quasimodo were the ''actual'' names of the bells in Notre Dame de Paris at that time.
** Laverna was the Roman goddess of con artists and outcasts.
* After Frollo falls into the molten lead, where did all of it go?
** It should have cooled down relatively quickly with no outside source to heat it, though it does seem to disappear too quickly. Maybe the last scene took place a little while later than we're assuming it does, like maybe midday?
** That's probably most likely. It looks as if it's just approaching dawn when Esmeralda and Phoebus reunite. It's visibly much brighter in the scene with the little girl. It'd take at least 3-4 hours for things to get that light. I'm assuming some of the citizens cleared some of the mess away in the meantime.
* Frollo was actually right about the [[RoguishRomani gypsies being a bunch of no-good thieves]]; the Court of Miracles does give shelter to non-thieves, apparently, but they even themselves say that all the criminals of Paris are there. Worse still, not only are they no better towards Quasimodo than anyone else, they did try to murder Quasimodo and Phoebus for finding them, all the while boasting about how they're a bunch of criminals.
** He may have had a point but that doesn't excuse him wanting to commit ''genocide''. In medieval times, a criminal could mean anything from a murderer to someone stealing a loaf of bread to feed themselves. And they were prepared to execute Quasimodo and Phoebus because they were known associates of Frollo. It's not like they just decided to execute two random people that wandered into their hideout. They thought it was an ambush or something. Granted they could have waited for an explanation but they have good reason to be cynical about the outside world. Esmeralda was too until her stay in the cathedral.
** It's ALSO sort of a chicken or the egg situation because people have been prejudiced/trying to commit genocide on the Romani people for a long, long time. And that goes with the whole 'nomadic' thing too, because there's the stereotype of 'gypsies' moving around a lot but also the fact that people persecute them everywhere they go. Which, like duh, eventually leads to thievery and Esmeralda has to make money by playing into their 'exoticized' image of what a 'gypsy' girl is. They're thieves because they have to survive. Esmeralda has to play into what the people like Frollo think of her (and her people) because it's a way to con them and earn enough just to keep eating. She really just feels like an outcast, like everyone else... we even see that Chopin is playing into their 'gypsy' stereotypes, his costume is the part of "fool", hers is the part of "flirtatious gypsy dancer"
* At the beginning, Quasi's mom is trying to sneak into ''Frollo-controlled'' Paris. Where the hell are they running ''from'' that a city under the thumb of a psycho with a boner for gypsy genocide is the better option?
** The Court of Miracles is there. That's probably where they wanted to get to.
** At the beginning he was just a Judge, twenty years later he is Minister of Justice. He got promoted by the King of France for doing such a stand-up-job of Romani Murder and now he is basically Dictator of Paris.
* Where was the Archdeacon in all this? Frollo works in the Palace of Justice, a fair distance away from Notre Dame, but the archdeacon - if he is anything like many Catholic ministers - likely also lives in the cathedral. He at least works there on a regular basis, and had a great deal more opportunity to see Quasimodo than Frollo did. In twenty years he never once talked to Quasimodo? Did he never come up to the bell tower to see this condemned youth and comfort him? In doing so he would have seen what horrible psychological damage Frollo was inflicting, and taken steps to prevent it. Was the archdeacon the true villain?
** In the original book, Frollo and the Archdeacon were one character, so it's not inconceivable that the Archdeacon played some part in Quasi's upbringing. Quasimodo's chores consisted of helping maintain the cathedral as well as ringing the bells, knowing every minute of the clock, chiming to the prayers and hymns, and if Frollo was his cold and stern 'father', the Archdeacon would be an encouraging tutor who nonetheless had many other duties. Frollo secretly despised Quasimodo and reveled in his own hubris, but as a caretaker, he could be considered 'adequate'. The Archdeacon wanted Frollo to learn humility and kindness by taking care of Quasimodo; by playing too great a part he would stand in the way of his penitence. He could never have predicted the monster Frollo would become.
[[AC:FridgeLogic]]
* Frollo burns a house down after locking the family inside. Why would you design a door so it could be barricaded shut from the outside?
** If you look, it's a handle on the door which conveniently serves as the barricade support. That said, fridge logic might come into play if one questions exactly what that house is made out of given its ignition speed...
*** Grain is extremely combustible and can explode if ignited in an enclosed area. A windmill is a party-house of combustion with leather, tar and thatch, and in a dry summer would be a live-in bonfire.
* Victor Hugo's full name was Victor-'''Marie''' Hugo. The two male gargoyles are called Victor and Hugo, after him. The third and female gargoyle is called... Laverne. Huh?
** Quasimodo named a bunch of the bells "Marie." Doesn't explain specifically where Laverne's name comes from, but it does explain why she's not called Marie, at least.
*** No real explanation attached, but many web sources (imdb, etc) seem to think she was named after one of the "Andrews Sisters." Couldn't find anything confirmed by Disney, though.
*** The reason for the some of bells being named "Marie" is the names given by Quasimodo were the ''actual'' names of the bells in Notre Dame de Paris at that time.
** Laverna was the Roman goddess of con artists and outcasts.
* After Frollo falls into the molten lead, where did all of it go?
** It should have cooled down relatively quickly with no outside source to heat it, though it does seem to disappear too quickly. Maybe the last scene took place a little while later than we're assuming it does, like maybe midday?
** That's probably most likely. It looks as if it's just approaching dawn when Esmeralda and Phoebus reunite. It's visibly much brighter in the scene with the little girl. It'd take at least 3-4 hours for things to get that light. I'm assuming some of the citizens cleared some of the mess away in the meantime.
* Frollo was actually right about the [[RoguishRomani gypsies being a bunch of no-good thieves]]; the Court of Miracles does give shelter to non-thieves, apparently, but they even themselves say that all the criminals of Paris are there. Worse still, not only are they no better towards Quasimodo than anyone else, they did try to murder Quasimodo and Phoebus for finding them, all the while boasting about how they're a bunch of criminals.
** He may have had a point but that doesn't excuse him wanting to commit ''genocide''. In medieval times, a criminal could mean anything from a murderer to someone stealing a loaf of bread to feed themselves. And they were prepared to execute Quasimodo and Phoebus because they were known associates of Frollo. It's not like they just decided to execute two random people that wandered into their hideout. They thought it was an ambush or something. Granted they could have waited for an explanation but they have good reason to be cynical about the outside world. Esmeralda was too until her stay in the cathedral.
** It's ALSO sort of a chicken or the egg situation because people have been prejudiced/trying to commit genocide on the Romani people for a long, long time. And that goes with the whole 'nomadic' thing too, because there's the stereotype of 'gypsies' moving around a lot but also the fact that people persecute them everywhere they go. Which, like duh, eventually leads to thievery and Esmeralda has to make money by playing into their 'exoticized' image of what a 'gypsy' girl is. They're thieves because they have to survive. Esmeralda has to play into what the people like Frollo think of her (and her people) because it's a way to con them and earn enough just to keep eating. She really just feels like an outcast, like everyone else... we even see that Chopin is playing into their 'gypsy' stereotypes, his costume is the part of "fool", hers is the part of "flirtatious gypsy dancer"
* At the beginning, Quasi's mom is trying to sneak into ''Frollo-controlled'' Paris. Where the hell are they running ''from'' that a city under the thumb of a psycho with a boner for gypsy genocide is the better option?
** The Court of Miracles is there. That's probably where they wanted to get to.
** At the beginning he was just a Judge, twenty years later he is Minister of Justice. He got promoted by the King of France for doing such a stand-up-job of Romani Murder and now he is basically Dictator of Paris.
* Where was the Archdeacon in all this? Frollo works in the Palace of Justice, a fair distance away from Notre Dame, but the archdeacon - if he is anything like many Catholic ministers - likely also lives in the cathedral. He at least works there on a regular basis, and had a great deal more opportunity to see Quasimodo than Frollo did. In twenty years he never once talked to Quasimodo? Did he never come up to the bell tower to see this condemned youth and comfort him? In doing so he would have seen what horrible psychological damage Frollo was inflicting, and taken steps to prevent it. Was the archdeacon the true villain?
** In the original book, Frollo and the Archdeacon were one character, so it's not inconceivable that the Archdeacon played some part in Quasi's upbringing. Quasimodo's chores consisted of helping maintain the cathedral as well as ringing the bells, knowing every minute of the clock, chiming to the prayers and hymns, and if Frollo was his cold and stern 'father', the Archdeacon would be an encouraging tutor who nonetheless had many other duties. Frollo secretly despised Quasimodo and reveled in his own hubris, but as a caretaker, he could be considered 'adequate'. The Archdeacon wanted Frollo to learn humility and kindness by taking care of Quasimodo; by playing too great a part he would stand in the way of his penitence. He could never have predicted the monster Frollo would become.
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* During "Hellfire," a soldier brings the news to Frollo that Esmeralda has escaped from Notre Dame. He informs him that she's "nowhere in the cathedral." Now, how did they learn that she wasn't in the bell tower with Quasimodo? Not from Phoebus, because he left the tower still thinking she was there. Poor Quasimodo's happy "Heaven's Light' reverie must have been cut short by more soldiers invading his tower in search of Esmeralda, and they would have treated him with much less respect than Phoebus did.
[[AC:FridgeLogic]]
* Frollo burns a house down after locking the family inside. Why would you design a door so it could be barricaded shut from the outside?
** If you look, it's a handle on the door which conveniently serves as the barricade support. That said, fridge logic might come into play if one questions exactly what that house is made out of given its ignition speed...
*** Grain is extremely combustible and can explode if ignited in an enclosed area. A windmill is a party-house of combustion with leather, tar and thatch, and in a dry summer would be a live-in bonfire.
* Victor Hugo's full name was Victor-'''Marie''' Hugo. The two male gargoyles are called Victor and Hugo, after him. The third and female gargoyle is called... Laverne. Huh?
** Quasimodo named a bunch of the bells "Marie." Doesn't explain specifically where Laverne's name comes from, but it does explain why she's not called Marie, at least.
*** No real explanation attached, but many web sources (imdb, etc) seem to think she was named after one of the "Andrews Sisters." Couldn't find anything confirmed by Disney, though.
*** The reason for the some of bells being named "Marie" is the names given by Quasimodo were the ''actual'' names of the bells in Notre Dame de Paris at that time.
** Laverna was the Roman goddess of con artists and outcasts.
* After Frollo falls into the molten lead, where did all of it go?
** It should have cooled down relatively quickly with no outside source to heat it, though it does seem to disappear too quickly. Maybe the last scene took place a little while later than we're assuming it does, like maybe midday?
** That's probably most likely. It looks as if it's just approaching dawn when Esmeralda and Phoebus reunite. It's visibly much brighter in the scene with the little girl. It'd take at least 3-4 hours for things to get that light. I'm assuming some of the citizens cleared some of the mess away in the meantime.
* Frollo was actually right about the [[RoguishRomani gypsies being a bunch of no-good thieves]]; the Court of Miracles does give shelter to non-thieves, apparently, but they even themselves say that all the criminals of Paris are there. Worse still, not only are they no better towards Quasimodo than anyone else, they did try to murder Quasimodo and Phoebus for finding them, all the while boasting about how they're a bunch of criminals.
** He may have had a point but that doesn't excuse him wanting to commit ''genocide''. In medieval times, a criminal could mean anything from a murderer to someone stealing a loaf of bread to feed themselves. And they were prepared to execute Quasimodo and Phoebus because they were known associates of Frollo. It's not like they just decided to execute two random people that wandered into their hideout. They thought it was an ambush or something. Granted they could have waited for an explanation but they have good reason to be cynical about the outside world. Esmeralda was too until her stay in the cathedral.
** It's ALSO sort of a chicken or the egg situation because people have been prejudiced/trying to commit genocide on the Romani people for a long, long time. And that goes with the whole 'nomadic' thing too, because there's the stereotype of 'gypsies' moving around a lot but also the fact that people persecute them everywhere they go. Which, like duh, eventually leads to thievery and Esmeralda has to make money by playing into their 'exoticized' image of what a 'gypsy' girl is. They're thieves because they have to survive. Esmeralda has to play into what the people like Frollo think of her (and her people) because it's a way to con them and earn enough just to keep eating. She really just feels like an outcast, like everyone else... we even see that Chopin is playing into their 'gypsy' stereotypes, his costume is the part of "fool", hers is the part of "flirtatious gypsy dancer"
* At the beginning, Quasi's mom is trying to sneak into ''Frollo-controlled'' Paris. Where the hell are they running ''from'' that a city under the thumb of a psycho with a boner for gypsy genocide is the better option?
** The Court of Miracles is there. That's probably where they wanted to get to.
** At the beginning he was just a Judge, twenty years later he is Minister of Justice. He got promoted by the King of France for doing such a stand-up-job of Romani Murder and now he is basically Dictator of Paris.
* Where was the Archdeacon in all this? Frollo works in the Palace of Justice, a fair distance away from Notre Dame, but the archdeacon - if he is anything like many Catholic ministers - likely also lives in the cathedral. He at least works there on a regular basis, and had a great deal more opportunity to see Quasimodo than Frollo did. In twenty years he never once talked to Quasimodo? Did he never come up to the bell tower to see this condemned youth and comfort him? In doing so he would have seen what horrible psychological damage Frollo was inflicting, and taken steps to prevent it. Was the archdeacon the true villain?
** In the original book, Frollo and the Archdeacon were one character, so it's not inconceivable that the Archdeacon played some part in Quasi's upbringing. Quasimodo's chores consisted of helping maintain the cathedral as well as ringing the bells, knowing every minute of the clock, chiming to the prayers and hymns, and if Frollo was his cold and stern 'father', the Archdeacon would be an encouraging tutor who nonetheless had many other duties. Frollo secretly despised Quasimodo and reveled in his own hubris, but as a caretaker, he could be considered 'adequate'. The Archdeacon wanted Frollo to learn humility and kindness by taking care of Quasimodo; by playing too great a part he would stand in the way of his penitence. He could never have predicted the monster Frollo would become.did.
[[AC:FridgeLogic]]
* Frollo burns a house down after locking the family inside. Why would you design a door so it could be barricaded shut from the outside?
** If you look, it's a handle on the door which conveniently serves as the barricade support. That said, fridge logic might come into play if one questions exactly what that house is made out of given its ignition speed...
*** Grain is extremely combustible and can explode if ignited in an enclosed area. A windmill is a party-house of combustion with leather, tar and thatch, and in a dry summer would be a live-in bonfire.
* Victor Hugo's full name was Victor-'''Marie''' Hugo. The two male gargoyles are called Victor and Hugo, after him. The third and female gargoyle is called... Laverne. Huh?
** Quasimodo named a bunch of the bells "Marie." Doesn't explain specifically where Laverne's name comes from, but it does explain why she's not called Marie, at least.
*** No real explanation attached, but many web sources (imdb, etc) seem to think she was named after one of the "Andrews Sisters." Couldn't find anything confirmed by Disney, though.
*** The reason for the some of bells being named "Marie" is the names given by Quasimodo were the ''actual'' names of the bells in Notre Dame de Paris at that time.
** Laverna was the Roman goddess of con artists and outcasts.
* After Frollo falls into the molten lead, where did all of it go?
** It should have cooled down relatively quickly with no outside source to heat it, though it does seem to disappear too quickly. Maybe the last scene took place a little while later than we're assuming it does, like maybe midday?
** That's probably most likely. It looks as if it's just approaching dawn when Esmeralda and Phoebus reunite. It's visibly much brighter in the scene with the little girl. It'd take at least 3-4 hours for things to get that light. I'm assuming some of the citizens cleared some of the mess away in the meantime.
* Frollo was actually right about the [[RoguishRomani gypsies being a bunch of no-good thieves]]; the Court of Miracles does give shelter to non-thieves, apparently, but they even themselves say that all the criminals of Paris are there. Worse still, not only are they no better towards Quasimodo than anyone else, they did try to murder Quasimodo and Phoebus for finding them, all the while boasting about how they're a bunch of criminals.
** He may have had a point but that doesn't excuse him wanting to commit ''genocide''. In medieval times, a criminal could mean anything from a murderer to someone stealing a loaf of bread to feed themselves. And they were prepared to execute Quasimodo and Phoebus because they were known associates of Frollo. It's not like they just decided to execute two random people that wandered into their hideout. They thought it was an ambush or something. Granted they could have waited for an explanation but they have good reason to be cynical about the outside world. Esmeralda was too until her stay in the cathedral.
** It's ALSO sort of a chicken or the egg situation because people have been prejudiced/trying to commit genocide on the Romani people for a long, long time. And that goes with the whole 'nomadic' thing too, because there's the stereotype of 'gypsies' moving around a lot but also the fact that people persecute them everywhere they go. Which, like duh, eventually leads to thievery and Esmeralda has to make money by playing into their 'exoticized' image of what a 'gypsy' girl is. They're thieves because they have to survive. Esmeralda has to play into what the people like Frollo think of her (and her people) because it's a way to con them and earn enough just to keep eating. She really just feels like an outcast, like everyone else... we even see that Chopin is playing into their 'gypsy' stereotypes, his costume is the part of "fool", hers is the part of "flirtatious gypsy dancer"
* At the beginning, Quasi's mom is trying to sneak into ''Frollo-controlled'' Paris. Where the hell are they running ''from'' that a city under the thumb of a psycho with a boner for gypsy genocide is the better option?
** The Court of Miracles is there. That's probably where they wanted to get to.
** At the beginning he was just a Judge, twenty years later he is Minister of Justice. He got promoted by the King of France for doing such a stand-up-job of Romani Murder and now he is basically Dictator of Paris.
* Where was the Archdeacon in all this? Frollo works in the Palace of Justice, a fair distance away from Notre Dame, but the archdeacon - if he is anything like many Catholic ministers - likely also lives in the cathedral. He at least works there on a regular basis, and had a great deal more opportunity to see Quasimodo than Frollo did. In twenty years he never once talked to Quasimodo? Did he never come up to the bell tower to see this condemned youth and comfort him? In doing so he would have seen what horrible psychological damage Frollo was inflicting, and taken steps to prevent it. Was the archdeacon the true villain?
** In the original book, Frollo and the Archdeacon were one character, so it's not inconceivable that the Archdeacon played some part in Quasi's upbringing. Quasimodo's chores consisted of helping maintain the cathedral as well as ringing the bells, knowing every minute of the clock, chiming to the prayers and hymns, and if Frollo was his cold and stern 'father', the Archdeacon would be an encouraging tutor who nonetheless had many other duties. Frollo secretly despised Quasimodo and reveled in his own hubris, but as a caretaker, he could be considered 'adequate'. The Archdeacon wanted Frollo to learn humility and kindness by taking care of Quasimodo; by playing too great a part he would stand in the way of his penitence. He could never have predicted the monster Frollo would become.
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** Also, Frollo kills Quasimodo's mother on the steps of the cathedral - the Cathedral of Notre Dame, the Virgin Mother of Jesus. While Frollo feels the eyes of all the saints, we see a longer moment of her statue gazing down at him. This is a big chunk of what makes him so afraid.
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** Also, Frollo kills Quasimodo's mother on the steps of the cathedral - the Cathedral of Notre Dame, the Virgin Mother of Jesus. While Frollo feels the eyes of all the saints, we see a longer moment of her statue gazing down at him. This is a big chunk of what makes him so afraid. The greek dub drives this better by calling Frolo the enemy of Virgin Mary during the "The Bells Of Notre Dame"
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* Esmeralda's actions in "God Help the Outcasts" are subtly evocative of the passage of Mark 12:42 in the Bible, also called the "lesson of the widow's mite." In it, Jesus told his disciples to observe the treasury and what people were putting in it. Many rich people came and donated lots of money, throwing handfuls of coins loudly into the boxes so everyone could see how generous they were. Then, after everyone had left, a poor widow came and quietly put in two small coins, together worth less than a penny. Jesus turned to his disciples and said that the widow had put more than anyone else into the treasury that day. The disciples were confused, but Jesus explains that it was because she had given everything she had to God, showing the true devotion in her heart, [[WhatYouAreInTheDark despite nobody being around to see it.]] In "God Help the Outcasts," the churchgoers loudly pray out in the open so everyone can see how devoted and pious they are, but they are only asking for things for themselves, like love, fame, and money. Meanwhile, Esmeralda hides in the shadows of the church and quietly prays to God, not asking Him to give her anything or lift her out of poverty, but to bless the other poor folk of the city who can't get by like she can.
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* Esmeralda's actions in "God Help the Outcasts" are subtly evocative of the passage of Mark 12:42 in the Bible, also called the "lesson of the widow's mite." In it, Jesus told his disciples to observe the treasury and what people were putting in it. Many rich people came and donated lots of money, throwing handfuls of coins loudly into the boxes as loudly as they could so everyone could see how generous they were. Then, after everyone had left, a poor widow came and quietly put in two small coins, together worth less than a penny. Jesus turned to his disciples and said that the widow had put more than anyone else into the treasury that day. The disciples were confused, but Jesus explains that it was because she had given everything she had to God, showing the true devotion in her heart, [[WhatYouAreInTheDark despite nobody being around to see it.]] In "God Help the Outcasts," the churchgoers loudly pray out in the open so everyone can see how devoted and pious they are, but they are only asking for things for themselves, like love, fame, and money. Meanwhile, Esmeralda hides in the shadows of the church and quietly prays to God, not asking Him to give her anything or lift her out of poverty, but to bless the other poor folk of the city who can't get by like she can.
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* Esmeralda's actions in "God Help the Outcasts" are subtly evocative of the passage of Mark 12:42 in the Bible, also called the "lesson of the widow's mite." In it, Jesus told his disciples to observe the treasury and what people were putting in it. Many rich people came and donated lots of money, throwing handfuls of coins loudly into the boxes so everyone could see their generosity. Then, after everyone was gone, a poor widow came and quietly put in two small coins, together worth less than a penny. Jesus turned to his disciples and said that the widow had put more than anyone else into the treasury that day. The disciples were confused, but Jesus explains that it was because she had given everything she had to God, showing the true devotion in her heart, [[WhatYouAreInTheDark despite nobody being around to see it.]] In "God Help the Outcasts," the churchgoers loudly pray out in the open so everyone can see how devoted and pious they are, but they are only asking for things for themselves, like love, fame, and money. Meanwhile, Esmeralda hides in the shadows of the church and quietly prays to God, not asking Him to give her anything or lift her out of poverty, but to bless the other poor folk of the city who can't get by like she can.
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* Esmeralda's actions in "God Help the Outcasts" are subtly evocative of the passage of Mark 12:42 in the Bible, also called the "lesson of the widow's mite." In it, Jesus told his disciples to observe the treasury and what people were putting in it. Many rich people came and donated lots of money, throwing handfuls of coins loudly into the boxes so everyone could see their generosity. how generous they were. Then, after everyone was gone, had left, a poor widow came and quietly put in two small coins, together worth less than a penny. Jesus turned to his disciples and said that the widow had put more than anyone else into the treasury that day. The disciples were confused, but Jesus explains that it was because she had given everything she had to God, showing the true devotion in her heart, [[WhatYouAreInTheDark despite nobody being around to see it.]] In "God Help the Outcasts," the churchgoers loudly pray out in the open so everyone can see how devoted and pious they are, but they are only asking for things for themselves, like love, fame, and money. Meanwhile, Esmeralda hides in the shadows of the church and quietly prays to God, not asking Him to give her anything or lift her out of poverty, but to bless the other poor folk of the city who can't get by like she can.
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* Esmeralda's actions in "God Help the Outcasts" are evocative of the passage of Mark 12:42 in the Bible. In it, Jesus told his disciples to observe the treasury and what people were putting in it. Many rich people came and donated lots of money, throwing handfuls of coins loudly into the boxes so everyone could see their generosity. Then, after everyone was gone, a poor widow came and quietly put in two small coins, together worth less than a penny. Jesus turned to his disciples and said that the widow had put more than anyone else into the treasury that day. The disciples were confused, but Jesus explains that it was because she had given everything she had to God, showing the true devotion in her heart, [[WhatYouAreInTheDark despite nobody being around to see it.]] In "God Help the Outcasts," the churchgoers loudly pray out in the open so everyone can see how devoted and pious they are, but they are only asking for things for themselves, like love, fame, and money. Meanwhile, Esmeralda hides in the shadows of the church and quietly prays to God, not asking Him to give her anything or lift her out of poverty, but to bless the other poor folk of the city who can't get by like she can.
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* Esmeralda's actions in "God Help the Outcasts" are subtly evocative of the passage of Mark 12:42 in the Bible. Bible, also called the "lesson of the widow's mite." In it, Jesus told his disciples to observe the treasury and what people were putting in it. Many rich people came and donated lots of money, throwing handfuls of coins loudly into the boxes so everyone could see their generosity. Then, after everyone was gone, a poor widow came and quietly put in two small coins, together worth less than a penny. Jesus turned to his disciples and said that the widow had put more than anyone else into the treasury that day. The disciples were confused, but Jesus explains that it was because she had given everything she had to God, showing the true devotion in her heart, [[WhatYouAreInTheDark despite nobody being around to see it.]] In "God Help the Outcasts," the churchgoers loudly pray out in the open so everyone can see how devoted and pious they are, but they are only asking for things for themselves, like love, fame, and money. Meanwhile, Esmeralda hides in the shadows of the church and quietly prays to God, not asking Him to give her anything or lift her out of poverty, but to bless the other poor folk of the city who can't get by like she can.
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*** plus there’s another reason the King would most likely do nothing to the Parisians as the entire incident reflects badly upon him! As the man who most likely promoted Frollo to his position as his Minister of Justice (or kept him on from his predecessor), and with spies no doubt reporting the goings on in Paris for other people (including both Popes), Frollo has damaged the king’s reputation at home AND abroad. The king’s own minister of Justice is razing all of Paris, the king’s very seat of power, to the ground and has all but declared war on the Church itself all over an obsession of a single woman?! NOT a good thing to have on your royal resume, international issues aside at the time this movie takes place the French kings frequently had issues when it came to keeping their own nobles in line! Until the 17th century France had no real centralized government under the crown’s control instead the French court was made up of hostile opposing and allied factions of nobles of semi-independent fiefdoms within France ready to go at each other’s throats and wage war over the slightest provocation real or imagine at any time. The wars Pheobus is most likely talking about is either the hundred years war which France spent a good chunk on the defense or the Burgundian conflict. So Frollo’s little “burn down Paris” escapade, his unjustified attack on Notre Dame de Paris, the assault on the Archdeacon, and the resulting riot by the justifiably pissed off Parisians, would’ve no doubt threatened to undermine the king’s authority in the eyes of everyone at a time when he DID NOT need the distraction!
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*** plus there’s another reason the King would most likely do nothing to the Parisians as the entire incident reflects badly upon him! As the man who most likely promoted Frollo to his position as his Minister of Justice (or kept him on from his predecessor), and with spies no doubt reporting the goings on in Paris for other people (including both Popes), Frollo has damaged the king’s reputation at home AND abroad. The king’s own minister of Justice is razing all of Paris, the king’s very seat of power, to the ground and has all but declared war on the Church itself all over an obsession of a single woman?! NOT a good thing to have on your royal resume, international issues aside at the time this movie takes place the French kings frequently had issues when it came to keeping their own nobles in line! Until the 17th century France had no real centralized government under the crown’s control instead the French court was made up of hostile opposing and allied factions of nobles of semi-independent fiefdoms within France ready to go at each other’s throats and wage war over the slightest provocation real or imagine at any time. The wars Pheobus is most likely talking about is either the hundred years war which France spent a good chunk on the defense or the Burgundian conflict. So Frollo’s little “burn down Paris” escapade, his unjustified attack on Notre Dame de Paris, the assault on the Archdeacon, and the resulting riot by the justifiably pissed off Parisians, would’ve no doubt threatened to undermine the king’s authority in the eyes of everyone at a time when he DID NOT need the distraction!distraction! Even more impactful is that the King needs the Church’s support to retain his throne, it wasn’t too uncommon for the church (or its higher ranks) to use its power, influence, and wealth to “replace” a king it didn’t like. Even the church itself acknowledged that there were times where “replacing” a king was justified and wiping out an entire city to avenge a chief minster of justice who tried to destroy Paris and attacked the Church would be justification enough to ”replace” the king.
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*** plus there’s another reason the King would most likely do nothing to the Parisians as the entire incident reflects badly upon him! As the man who most likely promoted Frollo to his position as his Minister of Justice (or kept him on from his predecessor), and with spies no doubt reporting the goings on in Paris for other people (including both Popes), Frollo has damaged the king’s reputation at home AND abroad. The king’s own minister of Justice is not razing all of Paris, the king’s very seat of power, to the ground and has attacked a church all over an obsession of a single woman?! Not a good thing to have on your royal resume, international issues aside at the time this movie takes place the French kings frequently had issues when it came to keeping their own nobles in line! Until the 17th century France had no real centralized government under the crown’s control instead French court was made up of hostile opposing and allied factions of nobles of independent fiefdoms within France ready to go at each other’s throats and wage war over the slightest provocation real or imagine at any time. The wars Pheobus is most likely talking about is the hundred years war which France spent a good chunk on the defense. So Frollo’s little “burn down Paris” escapade, his attack on Notre Dame de Paris, the assault on the Archdeacon, and the resulting riot by the justifiably pissed off Parisians, would’ve no doubt threatened to undermine the king’s authority in the eyes of everyone at a time when he DID NOT need the distraction!
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*** plus there’s another reason the King would most likely do nothing to the Parisians as the entire incident reflects badly upon him! As the man who most likely promoted Frollo to his position as his Minister of Justice (or kept him on from his predecessor), and with spies no doubt reporting the goings on in Paris for other people (including both Popes), Frollo has damaged the king’s reputation at home AND abroad. The king’s own minister of Justice is not razing all of Paris, the king’s very seat of power, to the ground and has attacked a church all but declared war on the Church itself all over an obsession of a single woman?! Not NOT a good thing to have on your royal resume, international issues aside at the time this movie takes place the French kings frequently had issues when it came to keeping their own nobles in line! Until the 17th century France had no real centralized government under the crown’s control instead the French court was made up of hostile opposing and allied factions of nobles of independent semi-independent fiefdoms within France ready to go at each other’s throats and wage war over the slightest provocation real or imagine at any time. The wars Pheobus is most likely talking about is either the hundred years war which France spent a good chunk on the defense. defense or the Burgundian conflict. So Frollo’s little “burn down Paris” escapade, his unjustified attack on Notre Dame de Paris, the assault on the Archdeacon, and the resulting riot by the justifiably pissed off Parisians, would’ve no doubt threatened to undermine the king’s authority in the eyes of everyone at a time when he DID NOT need the distraction!
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** Isn't it strange how, despite growing up raised by someone as cruel and abusive as Frollo, Quasi himself is kind and gentle, instead of becoming just as cruel and abusive as Frollo? Well, perhaps those gargoyles, if they really are guardian angels, were there to protect Quasi from Frollo, and prevent him from becoming too horribly traumatised from Frollo's mistreatment. God really does work in mysterious ways...
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** Isn't it strange how, despite growing up raised by someone as cruel and abusive as Frollo, Quasi himself is kind and gentle, instead of becoming just as cruel and abusive as Frollo? Well, perhaps those gargoyles, if they really are guardian angels, were there to protect Quasi from Frollo, and prevent him from becoming too horribly traumatised traumatized from Frollo's mistreatment. God really does work in mysterious ways...
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* When Quasimodo was breaking his chains, the bells echoed loudly. The chains themselves never broke, but the pillars they were attached to crumbled. Both Quasi's own strength and the echo of the Bells helped free him, further emphasising the Cathedral's sentience.
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* When Quasimodo was breaking his chains, the bells echoed loudly. The chains themselves never broke, but the pillars they were attached to crumbled. Both Quasi's own strength and the echo of the Bells helped free him, further emphasising emphasizing the Cathedral's sentience.
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** This was actually paralleled by their musical numbers; the sanctimonious priest saying "thanks for making me better than everyone else; I want a licence to do whatever I please" and the young woman saying "I probably shouldn't even be here, but I know some people who need help."
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** This was actually paralleled by their musical numbers; the sanctimonious priest saying "thanks for making me better than everyone else; I want a licence liscence to do whatever I please" and the young woman saying "I probably shouldn't even be here, but I know some people who need help."
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* "The Court Of Miracles" might seem unrealistic, but while it didn't become cemetery catacombs until the 17th century when a lot of human remains were removed from ageing cemeteries, the catacombs themselves are actually limestone mines left behind by the Romans. While they wouldn't have been full of bones yet, they would serve as a perfect hideaway for the gypsies of Paris because the tunnels were not fully mapped yet.
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* "The Court Of Miracles" might seem unrealistic, but while it didn't become cemetery catacombs until the 17th century when a lot of human remains were removed from ageing aging cemeteries, the catacombs themselves are actually limestone mines left behind by the Romans. While they wouldn't have been full of bones yet, they would serve as a perfect hideaway for the gypsies of Paris because the tunnels were not fully mapped yet.
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** And yet, at the same time, the film does not condemn Christianity entirely or make it a one-dimensional force of evil. It shines a harsh light on its ugly side, brought about by sanctifying codes of behaviour from the savagery of the Bronze Age, and yet it also pays homage to its benevolent aspects and its striving to bring light and good into the world, most strongly through the intervention of the Archdeacon and the goodness of the devout layworshipper Quasimodo.
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** And yet, at the same time, the film does not condemn Christianity entirely or make it a one-dimensional force of evil. It shines a harsh light on its ugly side, brought about by sanctifying codes of behaviour behavior from the savagery of the Bronze Age, and yet it also pays homage to its benevolent aspects and its striving to bring light and good into the world, most strongly through the intervention of the Archdeacon and the goodness of the devout layworshipper Quasimodo.
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* When Frollo taunts Esmeralda by saying, "Gypsies don't do well behind stone walls," it sounds to younger audiences like him bullying her about how she's used to travelling around outside rather than being locked up in the cathedral. To adults, Frollo is actually thinking of all the Gypsies he's had imprisoned and tortured in the Palace of Justice.
** That, and the fact that most Gypsies, especially at this time, were still nomads travelling from place to place, only resting in towns for a few days to get wealth, materials or foods. So he's mocking her for her people's culture.
** That, and the fact that most Gypsies, especially at this time, were still nomads travelling from place to place, only resting in towns for a few days to get wealth, materials or foods. So he's mocking her for her people's culture.
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* When Frollo taunts Esmeralda by saying, "Gypsies don't do well behind stone walls," it sounds to younger audiences like him bullying her about how she's used to travelling traveling around outside rather than being locked up in the cathedral. To adults, Frollo is actually thinking of all the Gypsies he's had imprisoned and tortured in the Palace of Justice.
** That, and the fact that most Gypsies, especially at this time, were still nomadstravelling traveling from place to place, only resting in towns for a few days to get wealth, materials or foods. So he's mocking her for her people's culture.
** That, and the fact that most Gypsies, especially at this time, were still nomads
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** It's ALSO sort of a chicken or the egg situation because people have been prejudiced/trying to commit genocide on the Romani people for a long, long time. And that goes with the whole 'nomadic' thing too, because there's the stereotype of 'gypsies' moving around a lot but also the fact that people persecute them everywhere they go. Which, like duh, eventually leads to thievery and Esmeralda has to make money by playing into their 'exotified' image of what a 'gypsy' girl is. They're thieves because they have to survive. Esmeralda has to play into what the people like Frollo think of her (and her people) because it's a way to con them and earn enough just to keep eating. She really just feels like an outcast, like everyone else... we even see that Chopin is playing into their 'gypsy' stereotypes, his costume is the part of "fool", hers is the part of "flirtatious gypsy dancer"
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** It's ALSO sort of a chicken or the egg situation because people have been prejudiced/trying to commit genocide on the Romani people for a long, long time. And that goes with the whole 'nomadic' thing too, because there's the stereotype of 'gypsies' moving around a lot but also the fact that people persecute them everywhere they go. Which, like duh, eventually leads to thievery and Esmeralda has to make money by playing into their 'exotified' 'exoticized' image of what a 'gypsy' girl is. They're thieves because they have to survive. Esmeralda has to play into what the people like Frollo think of her (and her people) because it's a way to con them and earn enough just to keep eating. She really just feels like an outcast, like everyone else... we even see that Chopin is playing into their 'gypsy' stereotypes, his costume is the part of "fool", hers is the part of "flirtatious gypsy dancer"
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* The line ''Kyrie Eleison'' (Lord Have Mercy) is a repeating {{Leitmotif}} throughout the film, used to highlight the pain and terror that [[TheDreaded Frollo]] inflicts upon others. The last time it's sung is [[LaserGuidedKarma when Frollo sees the gargoyle transform before falling to his death.]]
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* The line ''Kyrie Eleison'' (Lord Have Mercy) is a repeating reoccurring {{Leitmotif}} throughout the film, used to highlight the pain and terror that [[TheDreaded Frollo]] inflicts upon others. The last time it's sung is [[LaserGuidedKarma when Frollo sees the gargoyle transform before falling to his death.]]
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* The line ''Kyrie Eleison'' (Lord Have Mercy) is a repeating {{Leitmotif}} throughout the film, normally used to highlight the pain and terror that [[TheDreaded Frollo]] inflicts upon others. The last time it's sung is [[LaserGuidedKarma when Frollo sees the gargoyle transform before falling to his death.]]
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* The line ''Kyrie Eleison'' (Lord Have Mercy) is a repeating {{Leitmotif}} throughout the film, normally used to highlight the pain and terror that [[TheDreaded Frollo]] inflicts upon others. The last time it's sung is [[LaserGuidedKarma when Frollo sees the gargoyle transform before falling to his death.]]
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* The line ''Kyrie Eleison'' (Lord Have Mercy) is a repeating {{Leitmotif}} throughout the film, normally used to highlight the pain and terror that [[TheDreaded Frollo]] inflicts upon others. The last time it's sung is [[LaserGuidedKarma when Frollo sees the gargoyle transform before falling to his death.]]
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** Plus, considering certain prominent Romani stereotypes, Frollo probably would've judged a baby ''as'' stolen goods.
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** Plus, considering certain prominent Romani stereotypes, Frollo probably would've judged a baby ''as'' stolen goods.goods, especially given that the lighter-skinned, red-haired Quasi doesn't look like his mother.
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*** plus there’s another reason the King would most likely do nothing to the Parisians as the entire incident reflects badly upon him! As the man who most likely promoted Frollo to his position as his Minister of Justice (or kept him on from his predecessor), and with spies no doubt reporting the goings on in Paris for other people (including both Popes), Frollo has damaged the king’s reputation at home AND abroad. A riot caused by the king’s own minister of Justice is threatening to destroy all of Paris and has attacked a church in an obsessive search to seize a single woman? Not a good thing to have on your royal resume, international issues aside at the time this movie takes place the French kings frequently had issues when it came to keeping their own nobles in line! Until the 17th century France had no real centralized government under the crown’s control instead French court was made up of hostile opposing and allied factions of nobles of independent fiefdoms within France ready to go at each other’s throats and wage war over the slightest provocation real or imagine at any time even while their lands were being overrun by outsiders. So Frollo’s little “burn down Paris” escapade, his attack on Notre Dame de Paris, the assault on the Archdeacon, and the resulting riot by the justifiably pissed off Parisians, would’ve no doubt threatened to undermine the king’s authority in the eyes of everyone at a time when he DID NOT need the distraction!
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*** plus there’s another reason the King would most likely do nothing to the Parisians as the entire incident reflects badly upon him! As the man who most likely promoted Frollo to his position as his Minister of Justice (or kept him on from his predecessor), and with spies no doubt reporting the goings on in Paris for other people (including both Popes), Frollo has damaged the king’s reputation at home AND abroad. A riot caused by the The king’s own minister of Justice is threatening to destroy not razing all of Paris Paris, the king’s very seat of power, to the ground and has attacked a church in all over an obsessive search to seize obsession of a single woman? woman?! Not a good thing to have on your royal resume, international issues aside at the time this movie takes place the French kings frequently had issues when it came to keeping their own nobles in line! Until the 17th century France had no real centralized government under the crown’s control instead French court was made up of hostile opposing and allied factions of nobles of independent fiefdoms within France ready to go at each other’s throats and wage war over the slightest provocation real or imagine at any time even while their lands were being overrun by outsiders.time. The wars Pheobus is most likely talking about is the hundred years war which France spent a good chunk on the defense. So Frollo’s little “burn down Paris” escapade, his attack on Notre Dame de Paris, the assault on the Archdeacon, and the resulting riot by the justifiably pissed off Parisians, would’ve no doubt threatened to undermine the king’s authority in the eyes of everyone at a time when he DID NOT need the distraction!
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** Plus, considering certain prominent Romani stereotypes, Frollo probably would've judged a baby ''as'' stolen goods.
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*** Phoebus does serve as a kind of moderation between Quasimodo and Frollo in their view and interactions with Esmeralda -- Phoebus does objectify her as desirable eye candy at first glance but still treats the gypsy girl with gentlemanly courtesy until he got to understand her more intimately.
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* In medieval architecture gargoyles are meant to ward off evil... And they consistently do:
** Victor, Hugo, and Laverne are Quasimodo's only friends, and are seen encouraging him to disobey Frollo's cruel rules. They're also likely responsible for him being such a kind person in spite of being practically raised by TheFundamentalist.
** During the climax, Frollo's men attack the cathedral, committing an evil act... And Victor, Hugo, and Laverne drop a brick on a soldier's head, machine gun them, build and drop a catapult on them, ''unleash a swarm of furious birds on them'', and drop boiling oil on them. The only reason they don't do more is that the oil bring the soldiers to the breaking point and makes them prefer to face the Parisians in revolt rather than press the attack.
** Frollo is killed when a fourth gargoyle breaks while he's stepping on it... And the gargoyle ''comes to life'' right before fully breaking, putting the fear of God in the man who was trying to commit murder in the cathedral.
** Victor, Hugo, and Laverne are Quasimodo's only friends, and are seen encouraging him to disobey Frollo's cruel rules. They're also likely responsible for him being such a kind person in spite of being practically raised by TheFundamentalist.
** During the climax, Frollo's men attack the cathedral, committing an evil act... And Victor, Hugo, and Laverne drop a brick on a soldier's head, machine gun them, build and drop a catapult on them, ''unleash a swarm of furious birds on them'', and drop boiling oil on them. The only reason they don't do more is that the oil bring the soldiers to the breaking point and makes them prefer to face the Parisians in revolt rather than press the attack.
** Frollo is killed when a fourth gargoyle breaks while he's stepping on it... And the gargoyle ''comes to life'' right before fully breaking, putting the fear of God in the man who was trying to commit murder in the cathedral.
