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** The slaves in Roman society became a dominant form of farming and power, very much like in the American South.
* Jason makes a few comments about Odysseus's fidelity to his wife Penelope when Hera/Juno mentions it in Book 5 to the negative, which itself raises several observations of the fridge variety.
** Romans have a negative view towards Odysseus compared to the Greeks as the descendants of the Trojans. Jason may not be Octavian, but that still colors his judgement.
** Odysseus cheating or Penelope doing so are generally additions from the non-Homerian texts, which may not be canon in the verse, but Jason doesn't know that (while Hera/Juno does).
** Hera/Juno may recognize the difference between what happened with Odysseus (who was in a position of powerlessness with Circe and Calypso) and plain old infidelity without a forceful hand of pressure into it. As we have only seen Hera/Juno react to a consensual relationship in the Riordanverse (Beryl Grace), it is possible that Hera/Juno has recognized the difference in modern times and doesn't blame the victim anymore (or possibly blames them less in cases with Zeus/Jupiter specifically). Jason doesn't have that life experience to do so.
* Jason makes a few comments about Odysseus's fidelity to his wife Penelope when Hera/Juno mentions it in Book 5 to the negative, which itself raises several observations of the fridge variety.
** Romans have a negative view towards Odysseus compared to the Greeks as the descendants of the Trojans. Jason may not be Octavian, but that still colors his judgement.
** Odysseus cheating or Penelope doing so are generally additions from the non-Homerian texts, which may not be canon in the verse, but Jason doesn't know that (while Hera/Juno does).
** Hera/Juno may recognize the difference between what happened with Odysseus (who was in a position of powerlessness with Circe and Calypso) and plain old infidelity without a forceful hand of pressure into it. As we have only seen Hera/Juno react to a consensual relationship in the Riordanverse (Beryl Grace), it is possible that Hera/Juno has recognized the difference in modern times and doesn't blame the victim anymore (or possibly blames them less in cases with Zeus/Jupiter specifically). Jason doesn't have that life experience to do so.
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* Leo is the seventh wheel, not because he doesn't have an official romantic partner on the Argo II, but because he represents two halves of of the Greek and Roman aspects of language into one. Remember, Leo knows Ancient Greek, but he has Latino heritage, making him susceptible to understand both languages with ease.
* The Roman Demigods and Legacies being on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War makes some sense if one considers the latin slogan "sic sempee tyranis" John Wilkes Booth said. Not sure about Greek and Roman history with slaves but I vaguely recall a much stronger slave culture in Roman society.
* The Roman Demigods and Legacies being on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War makes some sense if one considers the latin slogan "sic sempee tyranis" John Wilkes Booth said. Not sure about Greek and Roman history with slaves but I vaguely recall a much stronger slave culture in Roman society.
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* Leo is the seventh wheel, not because he doesn't have an official romantic partner on the Argo II, but because he represents two halves of of the Greek and Roman aspects of language into one. Remember, Leo knows Ancient Greek, but he has Latino heritage, making him susceptible to understand both languages with ease.
* The Roman Demigods and Legacies being on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War makes some sense if one considers the latin slogan "sic sempee tyranis" John Wilkes Booth said. Not sure about Greek and Roman history with slaves but I vaguely recall a much stronger slave culture in Roman society.
* The Roman Demigods and Legacies being on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War makes some sense if one considers the latin slogan "sic sempee tyranis" John Wilkes Booth said. Not sure about Greek and Roman history with slaves but I vaguely recall a much stronger slave culture in Roman society.
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* The return of faded Gorgons to attack Percy comes off as a bit random for Gaea, but with the later reveal that faded entities go into Chaos it gives at least a possible explanation (Gaea or Tartarus influencing their progenitor to release the entities.) It is possible that Medea, being later shown to be able to perform this feat with magic, also performed the task, but was not called upon to do so with additional being.
** As to why the other known faded entities were revived, Cottus, Gygus, Selene, Helios, and Pan were all known for being loyal to the Olympian Gods. While the former four might have gained a grudge on them over time, Gaea may not have been confident that she could have gained their loyalty. Cottus and Gygus in particular would have likely clashed with their Gigantes half brothers the way the Titans did, let alone having the potential of Briares convincing them to defect.
** As to why the other known faded entities were revived, Cottus, Gygus, Selene, Helios, and Pan were all known for being loyal to the Olympian Gods. While the former four might have gained a grudge on them over time, Gaea may not have been confident that she could have gained their loyalty. Cottus and Gygus in particular would have likely clashed with their Gigantes half brothers the way the Titans did, let alone having the potential of Briares convincing them to defect.
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* Khione never appeared as an antagonist when Percy was present: attacking when he was tucked away by Hera in Book 1 and while he was in Tartarus in Book 4. This seems like nothing, until one notes that in some myths she had a son by Poseidon, Eumolpus. A son she had to give up when very young. If that myth is in effect, she didn't bother the Argo 2 crew when Percy was present because, as he resembles his father immensely, likely also resembled the son she had to give up, which would be painful for her.
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** Related to this is Sammy's diamond, which he thinks was cursed because he never saw Hazel again after she moved away from New Orleans. Still he lived a long, reasonably happy life by fulfilling his dream of being a mecanic and having a family, so the "curse damage" seems quite contained. That's because he didn't care about the diamond, Hazel ''gifted'' it to him. Since there was no greed behind the act, Sammy was spared from the worse.
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** The perfect way to frame this stronger status is in both side's legacy with Persia: The Greeks under Alexander defeated the Persians, but they never managed to hold onto the territories without mass disintegration. The Persians were Rome's ArchEnemy after Carthage was salted, but the Romans could never defeat Persia or annex their territories, and were outlasted by it when the Germanic tribes shattered the empire. The Byzantines were able to win and hold onto lands from the Persians and in the final war battered the Persians into exhaustion so much that the Persians were easy conquests for the rising Islamic Caliphate (while the Byzantines lost a lot of land to said Caliphate as well they held on for hundreds of more years, regained lands several times, and had several golden ages of culture while doing so).
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* The Greeks and Romans both thought they were the only ones fighting Kronos, and their targets reflect their attitudes towards fighting. It's stated that the Romans work as a team, while the Greeks work solo. Camp Half Blood thought that the war would end by killing Kronos, and that his armies would crumble without him. Camp Jupiter thought that it would end when his armies were defeated, and Kronos would just rot without a leg to stand on.
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* The Greeks and Romans both thought they were the only ones fighting Kronos, Kronos; the Greeks fought Kronos himself, and their the Romans destroyed his fortress. Their targets reflect their attitudes towards fighting. It's stated perspective on group/individual mentality; Hazel says that the Romans work fight as a team, while the and Greeks work fight solo. Camp Half Blood The Greeks figured that Kronos's army crumbled after his defeat because they thought that he held all of the war would end by killing Kronos, power, and that his armies would crumble without him. Camp Jupiter the Romans thought Kronos vanished because they thought that it would end when his armies were defeated, and Kronos would just rot without a leg to stand on.army was his power.
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* The Greeks and Romans both thought they were the only ones fighting Kronos, and their targets reflect their attitudes towards fighting. It's stated that the Romans work as a team, while the Greeks work solo. Camp Half Blood thought that the war would end by killing Kronos, and that his armies would crumble without him. Camp Jupiter thought that it would end when his armies were defeated, and Kronos would just rot without a leg to stand on.
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* Many comment that the Gigantes come off a smug and stupid. However given the fact that the Giants probably did not have long periods of time between their birth and their defeat and destruction the first, and second, time around they didn't have time to really grow up. They may have the minds of adults, but not the experience.
** Alcyoneus and [[spoiler: Orion]], who had been active for years before the events of the series, had time to gain experience and grow as people (Alcyoneus even having admiration for Percy as a warrior). Of course that still didn't stop the former for building his lair close to the Canadian Border....
** Alcyoneus and [[spoiler: Orion]], who had been active for years before the events of the series, had time to gain experience and grow as people (Alcyoneus even having admiration for Percy as a warrior). Of course that still didn't stop the former for building his lair close to the Canadian Border....
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* Frank talks about how with his huge muscular body, no one thinks that he'd good as an archer and would be better suited as a swordsman. But archers, especially longbowmen, need very strong arm muscles.
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* Frank talks about how with his huge muscular body, no one thinks that he'd good as an archer and would be better suited as a swordsman. But archers, especially longbowmen, need very strong arm muscles.
and back muscles. And since the Romans see archery as un-Roman, suitable only for barbarians and descendants of Apollo, most Romans wouldn't know that!
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** That and the fact that there's never been a chapter told from [[spoiler:Nico's]] point of view. In fact, all of the first series (when the whole affair started) and many chapters in TheHeroesOfOlympus are told from [[spoiler:Percy's]] point of view, who at the time thought that [[spoiler:Nico had a crush on Annabeth.]]
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** That and the fact that there's never been a chapter told from [[spoiler:Nico's]] point of view. In fact, all of the first series (when the whole affair started) and many chapters in TheHeroesOfOlympus ''Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus'' are told from [[spoiler:Percy's]] point of view, who at the time thought that [[spoiler:Nico had a crush on Annabeth.]]
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* Frank talks about how with his huge muscular body, no one thinks that he'd good as an archer and would be better suited as a swordsman. But archers, especially longbowmen, need very strong arm muscles.
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* In the Civil War, the Demigods were known to have fought on the Union and Confederate Sides, but the idea that Camp Jupiter was in California at that time would make the conflict a bit of a logistical nightmare, even if one could call 1860's California equal in importance to New York and thus a place the Gods would be active in. However there was another definition of West back then: across the Mississippi. Given that we also have confirmation that Camp Jupiter can and has in fact been moved, it's likely that New Rome/Camp Jupiter was in a midwestern state during the time of the Demigod Civil War, most likely Missouri if I'd have to guess, and moved out west later. Possibly by the Gods really, really wanting to keep the two sets apart.
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* When Annabeth, Hazel, and Piper meet Aphrodite/Venus, Aphrodite says that she's free from the Greek/Roman split because love never changes. She's not just saying that Aphrodite and Venus are similar, it might also be a GeniusBonus nod to how when the gods of ancient Mesopotamia were adapted and immigrated, the love goddess changed very little compared to the others (other than {{Chickification}}). Inanna of Sumeria became Ishtar of Babylon, who became Astarte of Greece, who eventually became Aphrodite, who became Venus of Rome.
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** You're assuming Nemesis got the consent of Mr. Nakamura. If she did not, he would've been very angry at his worst enemy- perfect for fostering revenge.
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** There's also the fact that Percy and Jason identify with both CHB and CJ, as Hera intended. So you could say it's 2 (Annabeth and Leo) who are solidly Greek, 2 (Frank and Hazel) who are solidly Roman, and 3 (Percy and Jason, plus Piper as the mediator) in the middle.
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***In The Lost Hero Chiron mentions that the Cold War was a "close one".
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** Or a different case of fridge brilliance since hardwiring isn't likely to be as much of a problem to a shapeshifter that can rearrange their wiring. Besides it being magic how else would he adjust to BizarreAnimalSenses?
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** That's a [[UnfortunateImplications cynical]] way to look at it especially since it doesn't track considering his siblings are straight, the god himself is clearly virile and for gods HomosexualReproduction is a possibility between each other and their mortal paramours. His love interest Will turns out to be the result of such a union.
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** Or a different case of fridge brilliance since hardwiring isn't likely to be as much of a problem to a shapeshifter that can rearrange their wiring. Besides it being magic how else would he adjust to BizarreAnimalSenses?
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* [[spoiler: In House of Hades, Nico's attitude towards his crush on Percy, avoiding everyone because he believes he won't be accepted and going so far as to say he hates Percy, is absolutely heartwrenching in the face of his past. Considering that before his mother moved him and Bianca to America he spent his formative childhood years growing up in fascist catholic Italy during the holocaust, with gay people being interned just as much as jews and the global attitude towards non-heterosexuality being absolutely poisonous, it's no wonder he's so scared to admit it. Jason's right; Nico admitting it is the bravest act that any character in the series has ever performed.]]
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** In Portugal, while eating farturas, Nico somewhat dourly notes that if Percy were there he would probably make a fart joke and muses that Percy can often be so "juvenile". [[spoiler: Nico later gets together with Will Solace, who is noticeably more mature. Not least because he is basically Camp Half-Blood's resident physician.]]
* [[spoiler: In House of Hades, Nico's attitude towards his crush on Percy, avoiding everyone because he believes he won't be accepted and going so far as to say he hates Percy, is absolutely heartwrenching in the face of his past. Considering that before his mother moved him and Bianca to America he spent his formative childhood years growing up in fascistcatholic Catholic Italy during the holocaust, with gay people being interned just as much as jews Jews and the global attitude towards non-heterosexuality being absolutely poisonous, it's no wonder he's so scared to admit it. Jason's right; Nico admitting it is the bravest act that any character in the series has ever performed.]]
* [[spoiler: In House of Hades, Nico's attitude towards his crush on Percy, avoiding everyone because he believes he won't be accepted and going so far as to say he hates Percy, is absolutely heartwrenching in the face of his past. Considering that before his mother moved him and Bianca to America he spent his formative childhood years growing up in fascist
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* Nico [[spoiler: being gay]] is perfectly logic when you think about it: he's the son of a ''Death god''. Death is supposed to be sterile, and [[spoiler: a gay relationship]] has no chance to naturally produce offspring.
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** It should be noted that gods bestow different gifts on their children, so why not physical attributes as well if they wish? Various Apollo campers have a range of talents, just like gods may adopt a range of looks.
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** Not much of a fridge, as it's pointed out in ''Percy Jackson's Greek Gods'': "You want scary? Zeus was the god of justice, oaths and promises. Which means the guy who zapped everyone who offended him and couldn't even keep his marriage vows was the one in charge of making sure kings and ambassadors were respected, rules obeyed, and vows kept. That's like making me the god of homework and good grades!"
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* There are several occasions where Hazel calls up wealth without triggering her curse. For example, when she summons the Imperial Gold weapons from the bottom of the bay, when she calls up gold to feed Arion, and when she calls up a mound of schist to get a safehaven from the ''karpoi''. Thinking about it, the one thing that all these scenes (and every other one where her summoned valuables are safe to touch), is that the summoned wealth is not going to be used ''as'' wealth. The Imperial Gold weapons weren't being used as gold, but as weapons and armor. The schist wasn't important because it was a precious stone, but because it was something that plants couldn't grow on. Now consider that Pluto stated that it was Marie's greed that brought down the curse, and it all makes sense. The curse was never tied to the riches themselves, it was tied to greed. Take up the riches for some reason other than avarice, for some purpose other than to spend them, and they are safe.
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** Someone with a really attractive worst enemy. Or someone who's [[FoeYay attracted to their worst enemy.]]
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*** Even more importantly, Hera is the goddess of ''marriage''. She wouldn't separate two lovers.
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* Charmspeak is a horrifying ability. If you wonder why check Series/JessicaJones2015. Piper is a good character, but man she's got the most horrible ability.
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* Charmspeak is a horrifying ability. If you wonder why check Series/JessicaJones2015. Piper is a good character, but man she's got the most horrible ability.ability.
** Not so much, Piper notes in House of Hades that just laying on the charmspeak and telling people what to do makes it less effective. It works much better if she's telling people to do something they already ''want'' to do.
** Not so much, Piper notes in House of Hades that just laying on the charmspeak and telling people what to do makes it less effective. It works much better if she's telling people to do something they already ''want'' to do.
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*** It's also mentioned that the god's "don't really have DNA" which is generally why people are a bit more relaxed about dating in camp, since pretty much all the gods are related.
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** Maybe Nemesis is into bondage as a sub? Dominating your worst enemy would definitely be something some people would be into...
