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* The Isle of Feres. Not so much the island itself, not within the realms of the universe, but everyone's reaction to and especially Jade's comment about it: "A floating island? That's physically impossible!" and yet... this is long after he learns the truth about the whole Outer Lands ordeal, where the entire world is floating. Admittedly they're two different concepts, but honestly, knowing that it's possible to make the entire world float would make it a lot more believable for a tiny island to be floating. It's just a little peculiar that everyone is so quick to be shocked that a single island is floating, even if the mechanisms used to make the world float no longer work. They're acting like they've never seen anything like it. It's just a little... weird.

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* The Isle of Feres. Not so much the island itself, not within the realms of the universe, but everyone's reaction to and especially Jade's comment about it: "A floating island? That's physically impossible!" and yet... this is long after he learns the truth about the whole Outer Lands ordeal, where the entire world is floating. Admittedly they're two different concepts, but honestly, knowing that it's possible to make the entire world float would make it a lot more believable for a tiny island to be floating. It's just a little peculiar that everyone is so quick to be shocked that a single island is floating, even if the mechanisms used to make the world float no longer work. They're acting like they've never seen anything like it. It's just a little... weird.weird.
** Although in the stories, the Outer Lands are held up by the Sephiroth trees. I think what’s so shocking is that Feres is held up by nothing, not Sephiroth trees or anything else..
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* While some people who saw the game in Japanese (and weren't native speakers) didn't catch it, the casting is FridgeBrilliance too. Why do [[spoiler: Ion, Sync, and Florian have the same voice actor? And Luke & Asch? Cause they're clones.]] This makes a case of TalkingToHimself less of a Trivia entry and more of an actual invoked trope.

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* While some people who saw the game in Japanese (and weren't native speakers) didn't catch it, the casting is FridgeBrilliance too. Why do [[spoiler: Ion, Sync, and Florian have the same voice actor? And Luke & Asch? Cause they're clones.]] This makes a case of TalkingToHimself less of a Trivia entry and more of an actual invoked trope.ActingForTwo fall under SignificantDoubleCasting.
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** And, more humorously, it also spoils one of the early-game twists: After Asch leaps into the air to attack from above, why does Luke run up a wall to essentially copy Asch? Because he's a copy of Asch's essence.
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*** Everybody: They thought they were {{Nakama}}. Add in Luke's glory hounding and adamant refusal to accept ''any'' responsibility and he's already got emotional flak coming his way. This makes it easy for any and all additional baggage to head his direction.

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*** Everybody: They thought they were {{Nakama}}.TrueCompanions. Add in Luke's glory hounding and adamant refusal to accept ''any'' responsibility and he's already got emotional flak coming his way. This makes it easy for any and all additional baggage to head his direction.

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* Even the intro has a bit of brilliance in it. During the scene where Luke and Asch are battling, Asch jumps over Luke and attacks. Luke then turns away and runs. He runs up the pillar, then uses this advantage in height to fight back. [[spoiler: It's all a metaphor for the game itself. At first, Asch is better, and easily conquers Luke. Luke then begins to run away from his troubles, but with the help of his friends, he becomes a better person, and rises above Asch, and in the end, faces his own problems.]]

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* Even the intro has a bit of brilliance in it. During the scene where Luke and Asch are battling, Asch jumps over Luke and attacks. Luke then turns away and runs. He runs up the pillar, then uses this advantage in height to fight back. [[spoiler: It's all a metaphor for the game itself. At first, Asch is better, and easily conquers Luke. Luke then begins to run away from his troubles, but with the help of his friends, he becomes a better person, and rises above Asch, and in the end, faces his own problems.]]problems.
** Also, Luke running up the wall serves to illustrate his character development. Asch is initially on the offensive, pushing Luke back, until Luke runs up the wall and than puts Asch on the defensive. At first, Luke is unable to stand up to Asch because he sees himself as a replica, but once Luke finds meaning in his existence, he develops, thus changing strategies to fight Asch. As a result, Asch, who refuses to develop, is pushed back because he is still hung up about the replica versus the original issue.
** Further brilliance of this moment is that Ion can be seen overlayed above the two before they start fighting. The brilliance is that while Luke and Asch are fighting over their existence, Ion has resigned himself to his fate as a replica. His acceptance shows that he, in a way, stands above them both because he was able to stand above the replica versus the original debate and carve out a meaning in his life.
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* As noted on the main page, MagicAIsMagicA aka the rules of the verse results in a FridgeBrilliance style ChekhovsLecture in the case of Luke. Early on, Luke's ignorance is used to explain what Aggravated Sentiences are; collections of pure fonons with an intelligence and a specific fonic signature. Lorelei's is 3.14159265359 and that's later revealed to be Luke fon Fabre's fonic signature as well. [[spoiler: Then Luke is revealed to be a replica, which is ''pure seventh fonons'' like Lorelei. And then Lorelei flat out calls Luke "my other self" in the core.]] This explains any possible question as to why Luke is able to take down the Score at the end and is in fact implied to be the ''only'' one capable of doing that [[spoiler: as since Lorelei is the one that built and sustained the Score, of course you need Lorelei to take it down...or the ''[[GodInHumanForm other]]'' one.]]

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* As noted on the main page, MagicAIsMagicA aka the rules of the verse results in a FridgeBrilliance style ChekhovsLecture in the case of Luke. Early on, Luke's ignorance is used to explain what Aggravated Aggregate Sentiences are; collections of pure fonons with an intelligence and a specific fonic signature. Lorelei's is 3.14159265359 and that's later revealed to be Luke fon Fabre's fonic signature as well. [[spoiler: Then Luke is revealed to be a replica, which is ''pure seventh fonons'' like Lorelei. And then Lorelei flat out calls Luke "my other self" in the core.]] This explains any possible question as to why Luke is able to take down the Score at the end and is in fact implied to be the ''only'' one capable of doing that [[spoiler: as since Lorelei is the one that built and sustained the Score, of course you need Lorelei to take it down...or the ''[[GodInHumanForm other]]'' one.]]
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* As noted on the main page, MagicAIsMagicA aka the rules of the verse results in a FridgeBrilliance style ChekhovsLecture in the case of Luke. Early on, Luke's ignorance is used to explain what Aggravated Sentiences are; collections of pure fonons with an intelligence and a specific fonic signature. Lorelei's is 3.14159265359 and that's later revealed to be Luke fon Fabre's fonic signature as well. [[spoiler: Then Luke is revealed to be a replica, which is ''pure seventh fonons'' like Lorelei. And then Lorelei flat out calls Luke "my other self" in the core.]] This explains any possible question as to why Luke is able to take down the Score at the end and is in fact implied to be the ''only'' one capable of doing that [[spoiler: as since Lorelei is the one that built and sustained the Score, of course you need Lorelei to take it down...or the ''[[GodInHumanForm other]]'' one.]]
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* The food trivia continues with what they don't eat: Tear hates carrots which, aside from being StockYuck, is treated as a "childish" dislike in Japanese media, showing early on that Tear isn't just a cold hearted soldier. Anise is noteworthy for the fact she doesn't have any food she won't eat; considering the PerpetualPoverty she suffers thanks to her StupidGood parents, this makes sense. Jade doesn't like pork and rappig meat; the latter possibly ties into the fact Peony has rappigs for pets. Guy doesn't like lemon and tofu; lemon is a strongly sour flavour while tofu is very bland, neither of which fits the NiceGuy with HiddenDepths. Natalia doesn't like octopus; something she shares with Asch [[spoiler: which considering the fact he's the original Luke fon Fabre, might suggest a similar reason behind the dislike]] who also dislikes carrots. Luke is the one with the [[PickyEater long list]] of foods he hates [[spoiler: which makes sense as he's [[YoungerThanTheyLook seven]] and thus in the age range for being a picky eater as he's old enough to be aware of dislikes in food but young enough to reject anything he doesn't like and refuse to budge.]] On top of that spoilered fact, Luke is a rich noble's son, meaning he grew up in a situation where being picky is ''affordable'' as rejecting food just means the servants remove it and fetch something more to his liking - another part of how spoiled his life was.
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* A lot of Luke's {{Jerkass}} actions and words in the first arc make more sense when you take into account [[spoiler: he's actually seven]], his [[NoSocialSkills lack of social skills]], ''extremely'' sheltered upbringing, and the circumstances around them. For example, not wanting to save Engeve from the ligers? Luke doesn't know how important Engeve is and his only experience with the place was "rude people who wrongfully accused me of being a thief" meaning he doesn't see any reason to help them or the cheagles who caused the whole problem in the first place. He's also a massive jerk to Tear because, frankly, she's a cold person and was "introduced" to him via trying to kill his ParentalSubstitute. Luke's approach to people pre ImportantHaircut is very "do unto others as they do to you".

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* A lot of Luke's {{Jerkass}} actions and words in the first arc make more sense when you take into account [[spoiler: he's actually seven]], his [[NoSocialSkills lack of social skills]], ''extremely'' sheltered upbringing, and the circumstances around them. For example, not wanting to save Engeve from the ligers? Luke doesn't know how important Engeve is and his only experience with the place was "rude people who wrongfully accused me of being a thief" meaning he doesn't see any reason to help them or the cheagles who caused the whole problem in the first place. He's also a massive jerk to Tear because, frankly, she's a cold person and was "introduced" to him via trying to kill his ParentalSubstitute. Luke's approach to people pre ImportantHaircut is very "do unto others as what they do to you".
unto you" in style.
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* A lot of Luke's {{Jerkass}} actions and words in the first arc make more sense when you first take into account [[spoiler: he's actually seven]], his [[NoSocialSkills lack of social skills]], ''extremely'' sheltered upbringing, and the circumstances around them. For example, not wanting to save Engeve from the ligers? Luke doesn't know how important Engeve is and his only experience with the place was "rude people who wrongfully accused me of being a thief" meaning he doesn't see any reason to help them or the cheagles who caused the whole problem in the first place. He's also a massive jerk to Tear because, frankly, she's a cold person and was "introduced" to him via trying to kill his ParentalSubstitute.

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* A lot of Luke's {{Jerkass}} actions and words in the first arc make more sense when you first take into account [[spoiler: he's actually seven]], his [[NoSocialSkills lack of social skills]], ''extremely'' sheltered upbringing, and the circumstances around them. For example, not wanting to save Engeve from the ligers? Luke doesn't know how important Engeve is and his only experience with the place was "rude people who wrongfully accused me of being a thief" meaning he doesn't see any reason to help them or the cheagles who caused the whole problem in the first place. He's also a massive jerk to Tear because, frankly, she's a cold person and was "introduced" to him via trying to kill his ParentalSubstitute.
ParentalSubstitute. Luke's approach to people pre ImportantHaircut is very "do unto others as they do to you".
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* A lot of Luke's {{Jerkass}} actions and words in the first arc make more sense when you first take into account [[spoiler: he's actually seven]], his [[NoSocialSkills lack of social skills]], ''extremely'' sheltered upbringing, and the circumstances around them. For example, not wanting to save Engeve from the ligers? Luke doesn't know how important Engeve is and his only experience with the place was "rude people who wrongfully accused me of being a thief" meaning he doesn't see any reason to help them or the cheagles who caused the whole problem in the first place. He's also a massive jerk to Tear because, frankly, she's a cold person and was "introduced" to him via trying to kill his ParentalSubstitute.
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** Before some people learned of the twist, a common theory was [[spoiler: Luke and Asch were actually ''twins'' and one of them was raised in secret]]. This actually made a lot of sense if one used only the information available at the time.

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** Before some people learned of the twist, a common theory was [[spoiler: Luke and Asch were actually ''twins'' and one of them was raised in secret]]. This actually made a lot of sense if one used only the information available at the time. \n [[spoiler: And replicas being identical to originals makes them, to a certain extent, rather similar to a twin in biology.]]
** The fact [[spoiler: Sync sounds very different from Ion]] has an explanation as well: [[spoiler: he really hates being a replica and refuses to be like the original (ironically [[{{Jerkass}} he is]]) so him deliberately sounding as different as possible makes sense.]]
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* While some people who saw the game in Japanese (and weren't native speakers) didn't catch it, the casting is FridgeBrilliance too. Why do [[spoiler: Ion, Sync, and Florian have the same voice actor? And Luke & Asch? Cause they're clones.]] This makes a case of TalkingToHimself less of a Trivia entry and more of an actual invoked trope.
** While [[spoiler: Luke and Asch]] is obvious from the sound of their voice, [[spoiler: Sync and Ion]]'s is less obvious cause of how radically different they sound. But one with a clever ear can make the connection.
** Before some people learned of the twist, a common theory was [[spoiler: Luke and Asch were actually ''twins'' and one of them was raised in secret]]. This actually made a lot of sense if one used only the information available at the time.
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* As the Awesome page notes, Tear ''almost'' was successful at taking down Van, which would have ended the game there and then. Except...what would happen if she did? [[spoiler: Most likely the Score would ultimately continue as normal as, without Van, the God-Generals wouldn't be in any way organized and would quickly be at least removed from the Order. Luke would have been sent to Akzeriuth. Jade most likely would be ''dead''. And Auldrant would end.]] In other words, Luke jumping up and stopping her is a '''very''' good thing.
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*** It also could be because Lorelei was panicking; saying Luke's name was easy but not [[spoiler: Vandesdelca]], especially considering the circumstances.
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* Compared to most SquishyWizard characters in most VideoGame/TalesSeries games, Jade is one of the few that has very few Novice level spells. In fact, after he gets hit by the fon slot seal, he's pretty much ''useless'' until you level him up enough. The brilliance comes in the fact he's a ChildProdigy; as that, Jade had no trouble using advanced level fonic artes and it shows in his arte list there. He only has two novice level fonic artes because he had no need to learn more than those two before he could switch to the higher and more ''interesting'' spells.

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* Compared to most SquishyWizard characters in most the VideoGame/TalesSeries games, Jade is one of the few that has very few Novice level spells. In fact, after he gets hit by the fon slot seal, he's pretty much ''useless'' until you level him up enough. The brilliance comes in the fact he's a ChildProdigy; as that, Jade had no trouble using advanced level fonic artes and it shows in his arte list there. He only has two novice level fonic artes because he had no need to learn more than those two before he could switch to the higher and more ''interesting'' spells.

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