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** The scariest part about the fight with Black is that, as demonstrated by the way he dealt with the other three and how he later lobotomized him, Supes ''could'' have finished him off anytime he wanted to, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing Black could do to stop it. And why did the Big Blue drag it out? To overpower, ridicule, humiliate, and ultimately ''Break'' Black.
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*** If that were the case, no one would ever use laser-eye surgery.
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**** Perhaps not so... Superman can break the planet in half and has a top speed of 137.8 times the speed of light (without sun dip; with one, his potential could very well be infinite). Also, Superman may not have had direct sunlight contact when he went up against Black (and he probably didn't have time to pick up extra rays beforehand). Finally, after a certain point, the Elite are clearly terrified and ready to go all-out against Supes. Superman could have dropped Black without saying a word to him, burning out his eyes with a single blast of heat vision.
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**** Perhaps not so... Superman can break the planet in half and has a top speed of 137.8 times the speed of light (without sun dip; with one, his potential could very well be infinite). Also, Superman may not have had direct sunlight contact when he went up against Black (and he probably didn't have time to pick up extra rays beforehand). Finally, after a certain point, the Elite are clearly terrified and ready to go all-out against Supes. Superman could have dropped Black without saying a word to him, burning out his eyes with a single blast of heat vision. vision.
** There's a difference between Superman the members of the Elite: Supes can take as much as he can dish and move so fast that even hitting him is an awesome feat by itself, the Elite ''can't''. And that's what ''really'' makes Superman going evil so scary: he's nearly impossible to kill. The Elite, on the other hand, would be vulnerable to anything that can kill a normal man (in fact, had they won I can easily see a number of superheroes make short work of them, including Green Arrow using the boxing glove arrows just to humiliate them).
** There's a difference between Superman the members of the Elite: Supes can take as much as he can dish and move so fast that even hitting him is an awesome feat by itself, the Elite ''can't''. And that's what ''really'' makes Superman going evil so scary: he's nearly impossible to kill. The Elite, on the other hand, would be vulnerable to anything that can kill a normal man (in fact, had they won I can easily see a number of superheroes make short work of them, including Green Arrow using the boxing glove arrows just to humiliate them).
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** They [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn't Think It Through]]. It would have been quite amusing to show what would have happened... Especially in the comic, where ''SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor'' was the president of the United States and thus in charge of the country that usually leads the humanitarian interventions.
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* The Elite killed two nation's leaders - what will that solve? Are they going to rule those countries themselves? What if the people don't ''want'' to make nice with each other? Are The Elite going to set up a police state run by themselves? Or just kill both populations?
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* The root conflict of the story isn't just about the proper way to deal with the worlds problems, it's about the ''influence'' that people with power have on society.
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** Alternatively, [[spoiler: he's [[WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague seen alternate versions of himself]] that aren't quite so boy-scout.]]
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*** Keep in mind, Superman didn't beat any of them through brute force. While the comic version showed it more, all of the Elite except for Menagerie had the power to beat Superman on their own. The comic version of Coldcast was explicitly said to have far more power to throw around than Superman. Even if he was holding back, during the head-to-head part of the fight Superman was still injured far worse by them than the Atomic Skull. If they'd taken the fight seriously instead of treating it like a Payperview event, things would have gone very differently.
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*** Keep in mind, Superman didn't beat any of them through brute force. While the comic version showed it more, all of the Elite except for Menagerie had the power to beat Superman on their own. The comic version of Coldcast was explicitly said to have far more power to throw around than Superman.Superman (although, then again, hyperbole is thrown around quite a lot in the comics). Even if he was holding back, during the head-to-head part of the fight Superman was still injured far worse by them than the Atomic Skull. If they'd taken the fight seriously instead of treating it like a Payperview event, things would have gone very differently.
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**** Perhaps not so... Superman can break the planet in half and has a top speed of 137.8 times the speed of light (without sun dip; with one, his potential could very well be infinite). Also, Superman may not have had direct sunlight contact when he went up against Black (and he probably didn't have time to pick up extra rays beforehand). Finally, after a certain point, the Elite are clearly terrified and ready to go all-out against Supes. Superman could have dropped Black without saying a word to him, burning out his eyes with a single blast of heat vision.
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***Perhaps, like with the Atomic Skull as a power source, some government officials believe they can use the Supercrimnals as a resource.
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** Better question: if the ability to depower someone exists, and it is in the hands of the authority, authorities, why are there repeat offenders of super powered criminals?
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** Better question: if the ability to depower someone exists, and it is in the hands of the authority, why are there repeat offenders of super powered criminals?
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*** Keep in mind, Superman didn't beat any of them through brute force. While the comic version showed it more, all of the Elite except for Menagerie had the power to beat Superman on their own. The comic version of Coldcast was explicitly said to have far more power to throw around than Superman. Even if he was holding back, during the head-to-head part of the fight Superman was still injured far worse by them than the Atomic Skull. If they'd taken the fight seriously instead of treating it like a Payperview event, things would have gone very differently.
:::But then, if they were the type to think things through and treat their enemies with respect, it would have been a very different story.
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** That's part of Superman's point: Maybe the authorities decide to de-power them. But it's not ''Superman's'' place to make that decision.
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**** Yeah, but it's obvious that they were doing damage to him. And Manchester was correct at the end that Superman could barely stand after his last telekinetic blast.
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** Not really, Supes was still clearly holding back. Had he genuinely wanted to kill the Elite, he would have beaten them, taxidermied them and put on an insulting marionette show with their corpses in the span of 2 seconds.
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** Just to point out, Lois says that 'sometimes' she feels that way. She seems to mean it as a 'heat of the moment' or 'in a moment of weakness or anger' thing. She's actively trying to stop the crowd from supporting the Elite when they hold Atomic Skull's impromptu execution.
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