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** He didn’t, like the original and second SG1s in Mobius ultimately dying in the first two time lines, the first timeline version of Cam was stuck in the past while the corrected timeline Cam never had to travel back at all.

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** He didn’t, like the original and second SG1s [=SG1s=] in Mobius ultimately dying in the first two time lines, the first timeline version of Cam was stuck in the past while the corrected timeline Cam never had to travel back at all.
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** He didn’t, like the original and second SG1s in Mobius ultimately dying in the first two time lines, the first timeline version of Cam was stuck in the past while the corrected timeline Cam never had to travel back at all.
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** Keep in mind that the host is just a clone of the original; if Ba'al had a plan on this sale, would he have really shared it with his clones when there was a chance said clone could share anything with his enemies?

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** Keep in mind that the host is just a clone of the original; if Ba'al had a plan on this sale, scale, would he have really shared it with his clones when there was a chance said clone could share divulge anything with to his enemies?



* Alt!Landry's speech about how they could re-do the Stargate program in this timeline might sound good, but when you stop to think about it, in this new timeline, they'll be starting at least a decade later than they did in canon, which raises an obvious concern; without the aid of the SGC, would the Asgard have ''ever'' been able to stop the Replicators? The Ori might not be an issue as the SGC can just take care not to use the communication device, and the Goa'uld and the Wraith would have probably just continued their pointless conflicts with each other without Earth sticking its nose in their business, but the Asgard only defeated the Replicators in the end because the Tau'ri gave them an ally advanced enough to understand what they were up against without being 'handicapped' by pacifism or a loss of tactical awareness. Add in that the Asgard still had their genetic degradation to deal with, and it may be that the Stargate Program of this world would find itself in a more hostile galaxy that's lost most of their potential allies even if Ba'al ''hadn't'' also gone back in time to change things...

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* Alt!Landry's speech about how they could re-do the Stargate program in this timeline might sound good, but when you stop to think about it, in this new timeline, they'll be starting at least a decade later than they did in canon, which raises an obvious concern; without the aid of the SGC, would the Asgard have ''ever'' been able to stop the Replicators? The Ori might not be an issue as the SGC can just take care not to use the communication device, device that attracted their attention, and the Goa'uld and the Wraith would have probably just continued their pointless conflicts with each other without Earth sticking its nose in their business, but the Asgard only defeated the Replicators in the end because the Tau'ri gave them the Asgard an ally advanced enough to understand what they were up against without being 'handicapped' by pacifism or a loss of tactical awareness. Add in that the Asgard still had their genetic degradation to deal with, and it may be that the Stargate Program of this world would find itself in a more hostile galaxy that's lost most of their potential allies even if Ba'al ''hadn't'' also gone back in time to change things...

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** Keep in mind that the host is just a clone of the original; if Ba'al had a plan on this sale, would he have really shared it with his clones when there was a chance said clone could share anything with his enemies?



** Considering that Ba'al knows about the existence of the Sangraal and how to find it (just because it was a clone who went there doesn't mean the clone didn't tell him about it), maybe (as an example of further FridgeHorror) he was able to use the Sangraal to kill Anubis ''and'' the other Ascended so they couldn't interfere with his plans?




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** Cam's grandfather was working in a rough part of the world in a more primitive time; it's generally agreed that people age better in the present than in the past, so his grandfather might have been younger than he looked.



* Alt!Landry's speech about how they could re-do the Stargate program in this timeline might sound good, but when you stop to think about it, in this new timeline, they'll be starting at least a decade later than they did in canon, which raises an obvious concern; without the aid of the SGC, would the Asgard have ''ever'' been able to stop the Replicators? The Ori might not be an issue and the Goa'uld and the Wraith would have probably just continued their pointless conflicts with each other without Earth sticking its nose in their business, but the Asgard only defeated the Replicators in the end because the Tau'ri gave them an ally advanced enough to understand what they were up against without being 'handicapped' by pacifism or a loss of tactical awareness (and that's before you consider what would have happened regarding the Asgard's genetic degradation when they also had the Replicators to deal with).

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* Alt!Landry's speech about how they could re-do the Stargate program in this timeline might sound good, but when you stop to think about it, in this new timeline, they'll be starting at least a decade later than they did in canon, which raises an obvious concern; without the aid of the SGC, would the Asgard have ''ever'' been able to stop the Replicators? The Ori might not be an issue as the SGC can just take care not to use the communication device, and the Goa'uld and the Wraith would have probably just continued their pointless conflicts with each other without Earth sticking its nose in their business, but the Asgard only defeated the Replicators in the end because the Tau'ri gave them an ally advanced enough to understand what they were up against without being 'handicapped' by pacifism or a loss of tactical awareness (and that's before you consider what would have happened regarding awareness. Add in that the Asgard's Asgard still had their genetic degradation when they also had the Replicators to deal with).with, and it may be that the Stargate Program of this world would find itself in a more hostile galaxy that's lost most of their potential allies even if Ba'al ''hadn't'' also gone back in time to change things...
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** Through one of the many hyperspace capable ships that exist. He might have found a Tok'ra, explained the situation and asked for nothing more than to be given a ship and supplies so he can get the job done in x years.
* At the end, Daniel wonders what [[spoiler:Ba'al's plan was]], and Teal'c responds that they "shall never know". Except they could, you know, ask [[spoiler:Ba'al's host who retains the memories of all that happened while he was under Ba'al's control.]] Or found a way to contact the Asgard.

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** Through one of the many hyperspace capable ships that exist. He might have found a Tok'ra, explained the situation and asked for nothing more than to be given a ship and supplies so he can get the job done in x years.
years. Or found a way to contact the Asgard.
* At the end, Daniel wonders what [[spoiler:Ba'al's plan was]], and Teal'c responds that they "shall never know". Except they could, you know, ask [[spoiler:Ba'al's host who retains the memories of all that happened while he was under Ba'al's control.]] Or found a way to contact the Asgard.]]
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* At the end, Daniel wonders what [[spoiler:Ba'al's plan was]], and Teal'c responds that they "shall never know". Except they could, you know, ask [[spoiler:Ba'al's host who retains the memories of all that happened while he was under Ba'al's control.]]

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* At the end, Daniel wonders what [[spoiler:Ba'al's plan was]], and Teal'c responds that they "shall never know". Except they could, you know, ask [[spoiler:Ba'al's host who retains the memories of all that happened while he was under Ba'al's control.]]]] Or found a way to contact the Asgard.
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** Through one of the many hyperspace capable ships that exist. He might have found a Tok'ra, explained the situation and asked for nothing more than to be given a ship and supplies so he can get the job done in x years.
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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Otherwise, Cam's dad would simply have grown up without a father, not poofed out of the timeline. Yet the grandfather has grey hair and wrinkles when he's killed. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something obvious. Unless the grandfather's death kicked off a ButterflyOfDoom effect that led to Cam's father either dying young or never marrying, but if that was the intention you would expect it to have been mentioned.

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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Otherwise, Cam's dad would simply have grown up without a father, not poofed out of the timeline. Yet the grandfather has grey hair and wrinkles when he's killed. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something obvious. Unless the grandfather's death kicked off a ButterflyOfDoom effect that led to Cam's father either dying young or never marrying, but if that was were the intention you would expect it to have been mentioned.

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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Otherwise, Cam's dad would simply have grown up without a father, not poofed out of the timeline. Yet the grandfather has grey hair and wrinkles when he's killed. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something obvious.

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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Otherwise, Cam's dad would simply have grown up without a father, not poofed out of the timeline. Yet the grandfather has grey hair and wrinkles when he's killed. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something obvious.
obvious. Unless the grandfather's death kicked off a ButterflyOfDoom effect that led to Cam's father either dying young or never marrying, but if that was the intention you would expect it to have been mentioned.
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* How did Ba'al end up with Anubis's mothership, which A. designed himself? For that matter, where ''is'' Anubis?
* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Otherwise, his dad would simply have grown up without a father, not poofed out of the timeline. Yet the grandfather has grey hair and wrinkles when he's killed. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.

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* How did Ba'al end up with Anubis's mothership, which A. designed himself? For that matter, where ''is'' Anubis?
Anubis? As a partly ascended being, he can't be killed.
* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Otherwise, his Cam's dad would simply have grown up without a father, not poofed out of the timeline. Yet the grandfather has grey hair and wrinkles when he's killed. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.
something obvious.
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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Otherwise, his dad would simply have grown up without a father, not poofed out of the timeline. Yet the grandfather has grey hair and wrinkles when he's killed. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because it otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.

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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Otherwise, his dad would simply have grown up without a father, not poofed out of the timeline. Yet the grandfather has grey hair and wrinkles when he's killed. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because it otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.
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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Yet he has grey hair and wrinkles. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because it otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.

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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Otherwise, his dad would simply have grown up without a father, not poofed out of the timeline. Yet he the grandfather has grey hair and wrinkles.wrinkles when he's killed. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because it otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.
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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Yet he has grey hair. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because it otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.

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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Yet he has grey hair.hair and wrinkles. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because it otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.
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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Yet he has grey hair. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition would have been warranted because it otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.

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* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Yet he has grey hair. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition to that effect would have been warranted because it otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.
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* How exactly did Cam get back to earth after time traveling to save everything? One Stargate was on that boat and under the sand until then and the other was under the ice.

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* How exactly did Cam get back to earth Earth after time traveling to save everything? One Stargate stargate was on that boat and under the sand until then and the other was under the ice.



* How did Ba'al end up with Anubis' mothership, which A. designed himself? For that matter, where ''is'' Anubis?

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* How did Ba'al end up with Anubis' Anubis's mothership, which A. designed himself? For that matter, where ''is'' Anubis?
* Killing Cam's grandfather would only cause Cam to not be born if his grandfather hadn't had kids yet when he died. Yet he has grey hair. Not impossible that he had kids late in life, but a little bit of exposition would have been warranted because it otherwise it looks like the writers overlooked something.

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** The gate was dug out in 1928, Cam returns in 1929, 10 years before the boat incident. Presumably, he came out of whatever warehouse the gate was stored in. Or stole a cargo ship from wherever he ended up.



** [[spoiler:Hasn't the poor host suffered enough without needlessly reminding him?]]
** [[spoiler:Not Original!Ba'al, just a clone, probably created for the express purpose of deceiving the Tok'ra and without any knowledge of the plan]]



** Maybe Ba'al went to Oma and warned her before Anubis could do his trick. Or he just killed him before he became half-ascended.
** Or he used Merlin's weapon in this Galaxy.
*** ... Which would be very effective and wipe out a lot of potential competition.

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** Maybe Ba'al went to Oma and warned her before Anubis could do his trick. Or he just killed him before he became half-ascended.
** Or he used Merlin's weapon in this Galaxy.
*** ... Which would be very effective and wipe out a lot of potential competition.



* Sam in the Alternate Timeline died when her Space Shuttle exploded. Way back in Season 2's "Secrets," Jacob tried to get our Sam into NASA as a dying gift. Our Sam turned it down because the Stargate Program was all she ever wanted and more. This reality's Sam Carter probably lept at the chance to be an astronaut, since she became one. In a way, Jacob condemned his daughter to death in this timeline.

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* Sam in the Alternate Timeline died when her Space Shuttle exploded. Way back in Season 2's "Secrets," Jacob tried to get our Sam into NASA as a dying gift. Our Sam turned it down because the Stargate Program was all she ever wanted and more. This reality's Sam Carter probably lept leapt at the chance to be an astronaut, since she became one. In a way, Jacob condemned his daughter to death in this timeline.
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* Sam in the Alternate Timeline died when her Space Shuttle exploded. Way back in Season 2's "Secrets," Jacob tried to get our Sam into NASA as a dying gift. Our Sam turned it down because the Stargate Program was all she ever wanted and more. This reality's Sam Carter probably lept at the chance to be an astronaut, since she became one. In a way, Jacob condemned his daughter to death in this timeline.
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** The gate was dug out in 1928, Cam returns in 1929, 10 years before the boat incident. Presumably, he came out of whatever warehouse the gate was stored in.

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** The gate was dug out in 1928, Cam returns in 1929, 10 years before the boat incident. Presumably, he came out of whatever warehouse the gate was stored in. Or stole a cargo ship from wherever he ended up.
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* Alt!Landry's speech about how they could re-do the Stargate program in this timeline might sound good, but when you stop to think about it, without the aid of the SGC, would the Asgard have ''ever'' been able to stop the Replicators? The Ori might not be an issue and the Goa'uld and the Wraith would have probably just continued their pointless conflicts with each other without Earth sticking its nose in their business, but the Asgard only defeated the Replicators in the end because the Tau'ri gave them an ally advanced enough to understand what they were up against without being 'handicapped' by pacifism or a loss of tactical awareness (and that's before you consider what would have happened regarding the Asgard's genetic degradation).

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* Alt!Landry's speech about how they could re-do the Stargate program in this timeline might sound good, but when you stop to think about it, in this new timeline, they'll be starting at least a decade later than they did in canon, which raises an obvious concern; without the aid of the SGC, would the Asgard have ''ever'' been able to stop the Replicators? The Ori might not be an issue and the Goa'uld and the Wraith would have probably just continued their pointless conflicts with each other without Earth sticking its nose in their business, but the Asgard only defeated the Replicators in the end because the Tau'ri gave them an ally advanced enough to understand what they were up against without being 'handicapped' by pacifism or a loss of tactical awareness (and that's before you consider what would have happened regarding the Asgard's genetic degradation).degradation when they also had the Replicators to deal with).
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* Alt!Landry's speech about how they could re-do the Stargate program in this timeline might sound good, but when you stop to think about it, without the aid of the SGC, would the Asgard have ''ever'' been able to stop the Replicators? The Ori might not be an issue and the Goa'uld and the Wraith would have probably just continued their pointless conflicts with each other without Earth sticking its nose in their business, but the Asgard only defeated the Replicators in the end because the Tau'ri gave them an ally advanced enough to understand what they were up against without being 'handicapped' by pacifism or a loss of tactical awareness (and that's before you consider what would have happened regarding the Asgard's genetic degradation).
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*** ... Which would be very effective.

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*** ... Which would be very effective.effective and wipe out a lot of potential competition.

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** Or he used Merlin's weapon in this Galaxy

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*** ... Which would be very effective.
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** [[spoiler:Not Original!Ba'al, just a clone, probably created for the express purpose of deceiving the Tok'ra and without any knowledge of the plan]]
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** Or he used Merlin's weapon in this Galaxy
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** Maybe Ba'al went to Oma and warned her before Anubis could do his trick. Or he just killed him before he became half-ascended.
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* How did Ba'al end up with Anubis' mothership, which A. designed himself? For that matter, where ''is'' Anubis?
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* How exactly did Cam get back to earth after time traveling to save everything? One Stargate was on that boat and under the sand until then and the other was under the ice.
** The gate was dug out in 1928, Cam returns in 1929, 10 years before the boat incident. Presumably, he came out of whatever warehouse the gate was stored in.
* At the end, Daniel wonders what [[spoiler:Ba'al's plan was]], and Teal'c responds that they "shall never know". Except they could, you know, ask [[spoiler:Ba'al's host who retains the memories of all that happened while he was under Ba'al's control.]]
** [[spoiler:Hasn't the poor host suffered enough without needlessly reminding him?]]

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