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23rd Mar '18 8:23:29 PM lilyofthevalley
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* Palpatine has the list of every Force-sensitive child known to the Jedi. Imagine what's going to happen when Order 66 rolls around. You're welcome.

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* Palpatine has the list of every Force-sensitive child known to the Jedi. Imagine what's going to happen when Order 66 rolls around. You're welcome.



* When Commander Fox and his men set to stun, its only when Anakin explicitly orders him to do so, otherwise they shoot lethal rounds and even pull out rocket launchers when in pursuit, [[spoiler: such as when chasing Ahsoka.]] Consider that most of the time Fox's men are assigned to police duties on Coruscant... and, as seen in Season 6, [[spoiler: Fox is in Palpatine's favor and is trusted with the danger of Order 66 being revealed]]. The Empire's iron fist was already coming into effect during the Clone Wars.
* It isn't until the events of the Mortis arc that Anakin comes to realize he's the Chosen One, previously believing it was a myth. Think about the implications of that. "Proof" of Anakin's status stems from the fact that he was immaculately conceived, per his mother's admission. If Anakin felt the Chosen One was merely a story, does this mean he came to believe she was lying as he got older?
** Add in that he was born into slavery, and you can [[ChildByRape guess how he thought he was conceived]].

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* When Commander Fox and his men set to stun, its only when Anakin explicitly orders him to do so, otherwise they shoot lethal rounds and even pull out rocket launchers when in pursuit, [[spoiler: such [[spoiler:such as when chasing Ahsoka.]] Consider that most of the time Fox's men are assigned to police duties on Coruscant... and, as seen in Season 6, [[spoiler: Fox [[spoiler:Fox is in Palpatine's favor and is trusted with the danger of Order 66 being revealed]]. The Empire's iron fist was already coming into effect during the Clone Wars.
* In the Zygerria arc, the Jedi Council deliberately sends Anakin, feeling he needs to "confront" his past as a slave. Their method actually resembles a real behavior therapy called [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flooding_(psychology) flooding]]. However, no matter how well intentioned, there are some key issues with their application.
** First, flooding is risky. It can actually exasperate an individual's trauma if used carelessly.
** Second, Zyggeria was not a safe environment. The Council sent not only Anakin, but some of his closest loved ones into an uncontrollable and dangerous situation. And indeed, things go wrong.
** Finally, Anakin ''did not consent'' to this. He was ordered into this situation, unaware of the Council's intentions. Because he could not give informed consent, the attempt is essentially unethical.
* There are two threats of rape during the Zyggeria arc. Atai threatens Ahsoka, a minor, with rape by force. Miraj, although she tries a pretense of consent, tries to coerce Anakin into becoming her lover.
* It isn't until the events of the Mortis arc that Anakin comes to realize he's the Chosen One, previously believing it was a myth. Think about the implications of that. "Proof" of Anakin's status stems from the fact that he was immaculately conceived, per his mother's admission. If Anakin felt the Chosen One was merely a story, does this mean he came [[BornASlave Knowing Anakin's origins]] it's easy to believe she was lying as he got older?
** Add in that he was born into slavery, and you can
[[ChildByRape guess how he thought he was conceived]].
25th Feb '18 5:31:24 PM nombretomado
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19th Jan '18 10:30:01 AM MasterFuzzy
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* Obi-Wan, upon seeing a holo of Savage Opress during "Witches of the Mist", initially thinks he's looking at Darth Maul, and says so. At first it seems as if he thinks all Zabraks (Maul's species) look alike or that he was the only one of his kind, so it seems a pretty stupid thing for him to say. But later, we learn that [[spoiler:Savage is Maul's ''brother'']]. [[YMMV/StarWarsTheCloneWars Your mileage may vary]] concerning this RetCon, and it may really bug you, but if there's [[spoiler:a family resemblance between Maul]] and Savage then Obi-Wan mistaking one for the other makes a lot more sense. There's also the possibility that it was a response driven by emotion rather than logic. He's obviously rattled, albeit in his usual [[TheStoic stoic]] way. Maybe the sight of a Zabrak killing Jedi instantly brought Darth Maul into his thoughts, knocking the rational part of his brain briefly off-kilter. Also, all holograms are blue in star wars, wich means that Obi Wan couldn't see his skin color, wich means that he couldn't have known that Savage's skin was yellow and brown instead of red and black like Maul's, wich may further explain Obi wan's mistake.
* Why does Savage use a double-bladed lightsaber? Dooku must have given it to him, he trained him after all. Dooku is an absolute master of the second form of lightsaber combat, Makashi, a form that has a weakness to power attacks, something Savage could be devastating with. If you are to fight with a double-bladed lightsaber, you'll likely train in Form VI, Niman, one that does not utilize power attacks. Dooku knew Savage could be a great threat, and weakened him from the beginning.

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* Obi-Wan, upon seeing a holo of Savage Opress during "Witches of the Mist", initially thinks he's looking at Darth Maul, and says so. At first it seems as if he thinks all Zabraks (Maul's species) look alike or that he was the only one of his kind, so it seems a pretty stupid thing for him to say. But later, we learn that [[spoiler:Savage is Maul's ''brother'']]. [[YMMV/StarWarsTheCloneWars Your mileage may vary]] concerning this RetCon, and it may really bug you, but if there's [[spoiler:a family resemblance between Maul]] and Savage then Obi-Wan mistaking one for the other makes a lot more sense. There's also the possibility that it was a response driven by emotion rather than logic. He's obviously rattled, albeit in his usual [[TheStoic stoic]] way. Maybe the sight of a Zabrak killing Jedi instantly brought Darth Maul into his thoughts, knocking the rational part of his brain briefly off-kilter. Also, all holograms are blue in star wars, wich which means that Obi Wan couldn't see his skin color, wich which means that he couldn't have known that Savage's skin was yellow and brown instead of red and black like Maul's, wich wbich may further explain Obi wan's Obi-wan's mistake.
* Why does Savage use a double-bladed lightsaber? Dooku must have given it to him, he trained him after all. Dooku is an absolute master of the second form of lightsaber combat, Makashi, a form that has a weakness to power attacks, something Savage could be devastating with. If you are to fight with a double-bladed lightsaber, you'll likely train in Form VI, Niman, one that does not utilize power attacks.attacks (and it's harder to do power attacks with a double-bladed weapon anyway). Dooku knew Savage could be a great threat, and weakened him from the beginning.



*** And is also undoubtedly part of why Yoda and the Council gave him a Padawan-especially a headstrong Padawan-in the first place. As any teacher in any galaxy could tell you, there's nothing like teaching to gain a greater understanding of and appreciation for the subject you're teaching.



* It makes sense that the Mandalorians would view any large Republic presence with enough hostility to join the Separatists: in the EU, the Republic practically ''shattered'' the Mandalore Empire, leaving massive cultural scars, and with that, resentment to the Republic.

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* It makes sense that the Mandalorians would view any large Republic presence with enough hostility to join the Separatists: in the EU, the Republic (and especially the Jedi) practically ''shattered'' the Mandalore Empire, leaving massive cultural scars, and with that, resentment to the Republic.



** When Ahsoka fights the mysterious stranger, not only is she wearing a different mask, cloak, and outfit, but she doesn't say a single word, and fights in a very utilitarian, defensive, and sneaky fashion. She even gives her position away by igniting her lightsabers too early, unlike Asajj's earlier successful ambush, where she only used the lightsabers for intimidation. She spends more time using her force powers than her lightsabers, and when she does, she tends to use them singly, not in tandem, almost like she's not used to using two and doesn't think she can beat Ahsoka directly. Quite out of character, if Ahsoka had been paying attention instead of fighting for her life.

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** When Ahsoka fights the mysterious stranger, not only is she wearing a different mask, cloak, and outfit, but she doesn't say a single word, and fights in a very utilitarian, defensive, and sneaky fashion. She even gives her position away by igniting her lightsabers too early, unlike Asajj's earlier successful ambush, where she only used the lightsabers for intimidation. She spends more time using her force Force powers than her lightsabers, and when she does, she tends to use them singly, not in tandem, almost like she's not used to using two and doesn't think she can beat Ahsoka directly. Quite out of character, if Ahsoka had been paying attention instead of fighting for her life.
* In "The Box," Cad Bane shoots a bounty hunter just for his hat. KickTheDog? Sure. But there's more to it than that-he establishes his credentials as a badass who shouldn't be messed with (an excellent thing to do when about to compete for his life), removes one of the competition, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and gets a nice hat, too]].



* Palpatine has the list of every Force-sensitive child known to the Jedi. Imagine what's going to happen Order 66 rolls around. You're welcome.

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* Palpatine has the list of every Force-sensitive child known to the Jedi. Imagine what's going to happen when Order 66 rolls around. You're welcome.



* In season 6, episode 12, "Destiny", Yoda faces off against a dark side version of himself. At first, it seems cool to see what would happen if Yoda gave in to the dark side for the sake of speculation...but then, you remember that it's basically YODA AS A SITH LORD. Even Dooku and Sidious are both scared of what would happen if Yoda gave in to the dark side...and they are right. If Yoda DID give in to the dark side...then nothing could stop him. He would become more powerful than Palpatine and Dooku combined and he would have enough power to curbstomp the entire jedi order. The galaxy would be screwed beyond belief. Of course, it's just a what-if scenario, but still, this is the episode that showed us that it was nonetheless a very possible scenario. If Yoda hadn't been contacted by Qui Gon, he would've likely ended up becoming his own dark reflection...

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* In season 6, episode 12, "Destiny", Yoda faces off against a dark side version of himself. At first, it seems cool to see what would happen if Yoda gave in to the dark side for the sake of speculation...but then, you remember that it's basically YODA AS A SITH LORD. Even Dooku and Sidious are both scared of what would happen if Yoda gave in to the dark side...and they are right. If Yoda DID give in to the dark side...then nothing could stop him. He would become more powerful than Palpatine and Dooku combined and he would have enough power to curbstomp the entire jedi Jedi order. The galaxy would be screwed beyond belief. Of course, it's just a what-if scenario, but still, this is the episode that showed us that it was nonetheless a very possible scenario. If Yoda hadn't been contacted by Qui Gon, he would've likely ended up becoming his own dark reflection...
30th Dec '17 10:16:48 AM Rebu
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** When Ahsoka fights the mysterious stranger, not only is she wearing a different mask, cloak, and outfit, but she doesn't say a single word, and fights in a very utilitarian, defensive, and sneaky fashion. She even gives her position away by igniting her lightsabers too early, unlike Asajj's earlier successful ambush. She spends more time using her force powers than her lightsabers, and when she does, she tends to use them singly, not in tandem, almost like she's not used to using two. Quite out of character, if Ahsoka had been paying attention instead of fighting for her life.

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** When Ahsoka fights the mysterious stranger, not only is she wearing a different mask, cloak, and outfit, but she doesn't say a single word, and fights in a very utilitarian, defensive, and sneaky fashion. She even gives her position away by igniting her lightsabers too early, unlike Asajj's earlier successful ambush. ambush, where she only used the lightsabers for intimidation. She spends more time using her force powers than her lightsabers, and when she does, she tends to use them singly, not in tandem, almost like she's not used to using two.two and doesn't think she can beat Ahsoka directly. Quite out of character, if Ahsoka had been paying attention instead of fighting for her life.
30th Dec '17 10:12:14 AM Rebu
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* When Ahsoka is accused of terrorism and goes on the lam to clear her name, she calls Bariss and chats. Bariss keeps her on the line. To ''stall''. That's an obvious possibility, but she doesn't stall because she's loyal to the order, she stalls because she's the culprit.
** Also, she says she has a 'clue', and Ahsoka asks her how. Bariss vaguely says she 'did some checking' and directs Ahsoka to an isolated location where she can be ambushed. Oh, and as Ahsoka points out, she doesn't even know what she's supposedly looking for. She'd be searching indefinitely. Plenty of time for Bariss to sneak out.
** When Ahsoka fights the mysterious stranger, not only is she wearing a different mask, cloak, and outfit, but she doesn't say a single word, and fights in a very utilitarian, defensive, and sneaky fashion. She even gives her position away by igniting her lightsabers too early, unlike Asajj's earlier successful ambush. She spends more time using her force powers than her lightsabers, and when she does, she tends to use them singly, not in tandem, almost like she's not used to using two. Quite out of character, if Ahsoka had been paying attention instead of fighting for her life.
5th Sep '17 7:32:45 PM Javertshark13
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** He wouldn't want the Republic to know he deserted, so as long as he got rid of anything Palpatine might use to contact him, he was probably safe.
24th Jul '17 6:33:51 PM korben600
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* This is more FridgeBrilliance for Star Wars in general, but Captain Rex and other clones are frequently DualWielding throughout the series. The reason is that most of the arguments against DualWielding don't apply to Star Wars weapons. The decreased accuracy from DualWielding doesn't matter as much when blasters are notoriously inaccurate, and the awkwardness of reloading with two full hands is moot when you don't need to reload.
** Also, clones and bounty hunters are the most likely to be DualWielding. Why? Because the biggest draw of DualWielding is that it's twice the amount of shots that a single gun would have, and clones and bounty hunters are the most likely to face overwhelming numbers which need the firepower, i.e. legions of droids, or legions of law enforcement officers.
13th Jul '17 11:05:14 PM NVPOWER
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* Given the reveal in the Order 66 arc about the clones' control chips, what happened to Cut Lawquane? He deserted from the Republic army shortly after the First Battle of Geonosis, and there's no way he would know about the chips. It's ''possible'' that, since he'd left the army, he wasn't in range when the chips were activated, but it still doesn't sound good . . .

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* Given the reveal in the Order 66 arc about the clones' control chips, what happened to Cut Lawquane? He deserted from the Republic army shortly after the First Battle of Geonosis, and there's no way he would know about the chips. It's ''possible'' that, since he'd left the army, he wasn't in range when the chips were activated, but it still doesn't sound good . . . .
* In season 6, episode 12, "Destiny", Yoda faces off against a dark side version of himself. At first, it seems cool to see what would happen if Yoda gave in to the dark side for the sake of speculation...but then, you remember that it's basically YODA AS A SITH LORD. Even Dooku and Sidious are both scared of what would happen if Yoda gave in to the dark side...and they are right. If Yoda DID give in to the dark side...then nothing could stop him. He would become more powerful than Palpatine and Dooku combined and he would have enough power to curbstomp the entire jedi order. The galaxy would be screwed beyond belief. Of course, it's just a what-if scenario, but still, this is the episode that showed us that it was nonetheless a very possible scenario. If Yoda hadn't been contacted by Qui Gon, he would've likely ended up becoming his own dark reflection...
24th Jun '17 1:31:25 PM NVPOWER
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* Obi-Wan, upon seeing a holo of Savage Opress during "Witches of the Mist", initially thinks he's looking at Darth Maul, and says so. At first it seems as if he thinks all Zabraks (Maul's species) look alike or that he was the only one of his kind, so it seems a pretty stupid thing for him to say. But later, we learn that [[spoiler:Savage is Maul's ''brother'']]. [[YMMV/StarWarsTheCloneWars Your mileage may vary]] concerning this RetCon, and it may really bug you, but if there's [[spoiler:a family resemblance between Maul]] and Savage then Obi-Wan mistaking one for the other makes a lot more sense. There's also the possibility that it was a response driven by emotion rather than logic. He's obviously rattled, albeit in his usual [[TheStoic stoic]] way. Maybe the sight of a Zabrak killing Jedi instantly brought Darth Maul into his thoughts, knocking the rational part of his brain briefly off-kilter.

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* Obi-Wan, upon seeing a holo of Savage Opress during "Witches of the Mist", initially thinks he's looking at Darth Maul, and says so. At first it seems as if he thinks all Zabraks (Maul's species) look alike or that he was the only one of his kind, so it seems a pretty stupid thing for him to say. But later, we learn that [[spoiler:Savage is Maul's ''brother'']]. [[YMMV/StarWarsTheCloneWars Your mileage may vary]] concerning this RetCon, and it may really bug you, but if there's [[spoiler:a family resemblance between Maul]] and Savage then Obi-Wan mistaking one for the other makes a lot more sense. There's also the possibility that it was a response driven by emotion rather than logic. He's obviously rattled, albeit in his usual [[TheStoic stoic]] way. Maybe the sight of a Zabrak killing Jedi instantly brought Darth Maul into his thoughts, knocking the rational part of his brain briefly off-kilter. Also, all holograms are blue in star wars, wich means that Obi Wan couldn't see his skin color, wich means that he couldn't have known that Savage's skin was yellow and brown instead of red and black like Maul's, wich may further explain Obi wan's mistake.
22nd Jun '17 9:19:34 AM 20person
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* The Trade Federation, Banking Clan, and other corporations are shown as pro-Separatist in the movies, yet are constantly telling people that they're neutral in this show. But Obi-Wan was the only person from the Republic around when the corporations declare their allegiance to Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones''. Since the Senate only has [[YouHaveToBelieveMe Obi-Wan's word to go on,]] Lott Dodd and the other [[MegaCorp senators representing the different companies]] publicly disavowed their pro-Separatist leaders such as Gunray. This way, the corporations have PlausibleDeniability in order to [[PlayingBothSides play both sides]] while Nute Gunray, Wat Tambor and the other leaders who declared their support for Dooku remain in power as [[TheManBehindTheMan The Men Behind The Men]] with Lott Dodd and the others serving as [[PuppetKing Puppet Kings]].

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* The Trade Federation, Banking Clan, and other corporations are shown as pro-Separatist in the movies, yet are constantly telling people that they're neutral in this show. But Obi-Wan was the only person from the Republic around when the corporations declare their allegiance to Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones''. Since the Senate only has [[YouHaveToBelieveMe Obi-Wan's word to go on,]] Lott Dodd and the other [[MegaCorp senators representing representing]] [[OneNationUnderCopyright the different companies]] publicly disavowed their pro-Separatist leaders such as Gunray. This way, the corporations have PlausibleDeniability in order to [[PlayingBothSides play both sides]] while Nute Gunray, Wat Tambor and the other leaders who declared their support for Dooku remain in power as [[TheManBehindTheMan The Men Behind The Men]] with Lott Dodd and the others serving as [[PuppetKing Puppet Kings]].
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