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20th Oct '17 7:11:27 AM AFP
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** The pink blood does introduce a funny bit of FridgeLogic: Do Klingons [[RealMenWearPink consider pink to be a particularly badass color]] the same way humans might describe something as being "blood red"?
20th Oct '17 7:09:09 AM AFP
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** The character arc actually starts with ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'': Admiral Kirk, Chief of Naval Operations, is chafing at his desk job and wants to get BackInTheSaddle. Unfortunately, he hasn't been in command of a starship for several years, and the ''Enterprise'' isn't the same as it was when he commanded her, thanks to a major refit she underwent. He spends much of that film butting heads with the younger Captain Decker. So the first film has him realizing he's not the same young captain he used to be, the second film has him accepting his mortality, the third and fourth have him defying death by bringing Spock BackFromTheDead and bringing the whales back from extinction to save all life on Earth, the fifth film was kind of a swing and a miss but should have been about how a mortal Kirk deals with the greater universe as a whole, as well as foreshadowing the shifting political tides away from what he knew for much of his life, and the sixth film is about letting go of life-long prejudices and accepting change.
3rd Oct '17 1:33:40 AM CharlesPhipps
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* The disastrous dinner scene is one which is explainable by a number of factors ranging from alcohol to neither side having a real interest in peace except for the Chancellor. However, it becomes FridgeBrilliance when you realize Valeris and Chang were both sabotaging it. The first by providing the Romulan Ale which is a ChekovsGun that allows them to frame McCoy for incomeptence or malice. The second is the fact Chang is a student of Earth culture to the point he knows who Hitler is and quoting him was bound to get a reaction from Kirk. A reaction which would insult Gorkon who would ''also'' get it.

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* The disastrous dinner scene is one which is explainable by a number of factors ranging from alcohol to neither side having a real interest in peace except for the Chancellor. However, it becomes FridgeBrilliance when you realize Valeris and Chang were both sabotaging it. The first by providing the Romulan Ale which is a ChekovsGun that allows them to frame McCoy Bones for incomeptence incompetence or malice. The second is the fact Chang is a student of Earth culture to the point he knows who Hitler is and quoting him was bound to get a reaction from Kirk. A reaction which would insult Gorkon who would ''also'' get it.
3rd Oct '17 1:33:26 AM CharlesPhipps
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* The disastrous dinner scene is one which is explainable by a number of factors ranging from alcohol to neither side having a real interest in peace except for the Chancellor. However, it becomes FridgeBrilliance when you realize Valeris and Chang were both sabotaging it. The first by providing the Romulan Ale which is a ChekovsGun that allows them to frame McCoy for incomeptence or malice. The second is the fact Chang is a student of Earth culture to the point he knows who Hitler is and quoting him was bound to get a reaction from Kirk. A reaction which would insult Gorkon who would ''also'' get it.
27th Sep '17 12:47:08 PM AFP
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*** Presumably the Universal Translator sounds like Nurse Chapel, like all Federation computers.
14th Aug '17 10:35:51 AM Hyrin
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*** The movie hints that the Translator has malfunctioned, likely due to sabotage, with the screen blinking over and over, but this is never said in the film.
19th Mar '17 10:10:39 AM Bilskirnir
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** Martia-Kirk also has different eyes than real Kirk.
7th Feb '17 7:46:52 AM trumpetmarietta
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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.

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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's ''Enterprise''[='=]s time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, ''Undiscovered Country'', Kirk plots a course to [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.
7th Feb '17 7:46:05 AM trumpetmarietta
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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.

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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.
7th Feb '17 7:43:54 AM trumpetmarietta
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* Look closely at the ''Excelsior'' just before she gets wholloped by the PlanarShockwave: You can see the ship is trying to turn into the shockwave (which, incidentally, is what [[TheCaptain Sulu]] ordered the helmsman to do a few seconds later.) Evidently the helmsman was on the ball and did his best to minimize the initial impact since there didn't seem to be time to get out of the way.
** More than minimizing the impact, the helmsman probably also realized that maneuvering in the shockwave and avoiding being dragged along with it required opposing thrust from ''Excelsior's'' impulse engines.

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* Look closely at the ''Excelsior'' just before she gets wholloped walloped by the PlanarShockwave: You can see the ship is trying to turn into the shockwave (which, incidentally, is what [[TheCaptain Sulu]] ordered the helmsman to do a few seconds later.) Evidently the helmsman was on the ball and did his best to minimize the initial impact since there didn't seem to be time to get out of the way.
** More than minimizing the impact, the helmsman probably also realized that maneuvering in the shockwave and avoiding being dragged along with it required opposing thrust from ''Excelsior's'' ''Excelsior''[='=]s impulse engines.



* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in Wrath of Kahn. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new Enterprise. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to Neverland ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.
** A scene cut from ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'' (because its poor quality made it completely unusable) would have would have had Kirk's first scene in that movie be a sky-dive. . .from orbit!

* Careful viewers will ask themselves "How did the assassins beams to Kronos One and beam back when Valeris was on the bridge?" Aside from settings the transporter to a timer, you'll notice there's a female enlisted officer in the transporter room when Gorkon and his party beam to the ''Enterprise''. It's possible she had a peripheral role in the plot, not knowing why she had to beam two people over, or even thinking she was beaming over help.
** Look at the energy surrounding the two when they beam - it's red. That means they were transported to and from Kronos One by the hidden Bird of Prey.

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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Kahn.Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new Enterprise. ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to Neverland [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.
** A scene cut from ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'' (because its poor quality made it completely unusable) would have would have had Kirk's first scene in that movie be a sky-dive. . .skydive… from orbit!

* Careful viewers will ask themselves "How did the assassins beams to Kronos One ''Qo'noS One'' and beam back when Valeris was on the bridge?" Aside from settings the transporter to a timer, you'll notice there's a female enlisted officer in the transporter room when Gorkon and his party beam to the ''Enterprise''. It's possible she had a peripheral role in the plot, not knowing why she had to beam two people over, or even thinking she was beaming over help.
** Look at the energy surrounding the two when they beam - it's beam. It's red. That means they were transported to and from Kronos One ''Qo'noS One'' by the hidden Bird of Prey.



* The events of this movie occurred in both the main timeline and the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline. In the main timeline, it ushered in an era of peace with the Klingons. In the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline, the actions of the Enterprise crew and Sulu [[NiceJobBreakingItHero allowed the Klingons to recover and later start a war the Federation was losing]].

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* The events of this movie occurred in both the main timeline and the Yesterday's Enterprise "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS3E15YesterdaysEnterprise Yesterday's]] ''[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS3E15YesterdaysEnterprise Enterprise]]''" timeline. In the main timeline, it ushered in an era of peace with the Klingons. In the Yesterday's Enterprise "Yesterday's ''Enterprise''" timeline, the actions of the Enterprise ''Enterprise'' crew and Sulu [[NiceJobBreakingItHero allowed the Klingons to recover and later start a war the Federation was losing]].



** The StarTrekTheLostEra novel "Serpents in the Ruins" offers an answer to this - Azetbur wasn't bad or incompetent, just that she continued her father's peace efforts and was killed by more a militaristic faction who believed the Empire had been at peace for too long and were no longer interested in accepting Federation aid. One of her successor's first acts was to simply ban women from serving on the Council, seemingly blaming her gender for her politics.
*** Note that this would also explain the above alteration to the timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise - a militaristic faction coming to power in the Klingon Empire, interested in ending peaceful relations with the Federation, would be impressed by a Federation starship - indeed, not just any Federation starship but the Federation starship Enterprise - sacrificing itself to save a Klingon colony and view them as worthy allies. Without that act, we end up with the war that brought the Federation to the brink of defeat.
* For ''years'', I never realized that the President in ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'' was blind. Suddenly, the opaque pair of glasses he wears when looking at the Operation Retrieve plans make sense: they're an early form of the VISOR. Also, when Kirk dives over the podium and knocks him out of the way of assassin fire, he'd have no idea who did it -- which is why Kirk says to him: "Kirk. ''Enterprise''."
** That one was actually more or less confirmed by [[WordOfGod Michael & Denise Okuda]] in the DVD text commentary for that movie -- he was at least intended to be blind originally.

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** The StarTrekTheLostEra novel "Serpents in the Ruins" offers an answer to this - Azetbur wasn't bad or incompetent, just that she continued her father's peace efforts and was killed by more a militaristic faction who believed the Empire had been at peace for too long and were no longer interested in accepting Federation aid. One of her successor's first acts was to simply ban women from serving on the Council, seemingly blaming her gender for her politics.
*** Note that this would also explain the above alteration to the timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise - "Yesterday's ''Enterprise''" — a militaristic faction coming to power in the Klingon Empire, interested in ending peaceful relations with the Federation, would be impressed by a Federation starship - indeed, not just any Federation starship but the Federation starship Enterprise - ''Enterprise'' — sacrificing itself to save a Klingon colony and view them as worthy allies. Without that act, we end up with the war that brought the Federation to the brink of defeat.
* For ''years'', I never realized that the President in ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'' was blind. Suddenly, the opaque pair of glasses he wears when looking at the Operation Retrieve plans make sense: they're an early form of the VISOR. Also, when Kirk dives over the podium and knocks him out of the way of assassin fire, he'd have no idea who did it -- which is why Kirk says to him: "Kirk. ''Enterprise''."
** That one was actually more or less confirmed by [[WordOfGod Michael & Denise Okuda]] in the DVD text commentary for that movie -- he was at least intended to be blind originally.



* When the Enterprise's crew goes rummaging through Klingon phrasebooks to respond to an incoming hail, why could they not just configure their ship's UniversalTranslator to provide a one-way translation of the incoming hail? And could they not configure it to provide an in-ship text translation of their response and recite ''that'' across the com channel?

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* When the Enterprise's ''Enterprise''[='=]s crew goes rummaging through Klingon phrasebooks to respond to an incoming hail, why could they not just configure their ship's UniversalTranslator to provide a one-way translation of the incoming hail? And could they not configure it to provide an in-ship text translation of their response and recite ''that'' across the com channel?
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