History Fridge / StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry

7th Feb '17 7:46:52 AM trumpetmarietta
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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.

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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's ''Enterprise''[='=]s time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, ''Undiscovered Country'', Kirk plots a course to [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.
7th Feb '17 7:46:05 AM trumpetmarietta
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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.

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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan ''[[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.
7th Feb '17 7:43:54 AM trumpetmarietta
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* Look closely at the ''Excelsior'' just before she gets wholloped by the PlanarShockwave: You can see the ship is trying to turn into the shockwave (which, incidentally, is what [[TheCaptain Sulu]] ordered the helmsman to do a few seconds later.) Evidently the helmsman was on the ball and did his best to minimize the initial impact since there didn't seem to be time to get out of the way.
** More than minimizing the impact, the helmsman probably also realized that maneuvering in the shockwave and avoiding being dragged along with it required opposing thrust from ''Excelsior's'' impulse engines.

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* Look closely at the ''Excelsior'' just before she gets wholloped walloped by the PlanarShockwave: You can see the ship is trying to turn into the shockwave (which, incidentally, is what [[TheCaptain Sulu]] ordered the helmsman to do a few seconds later.) Evidently the helmsman was on the ball and did his best to minimize the initial impact since there didn't seem to be time to get out of the way.
** More than minimizing the impact, the helmsman probably also realized that maneuvering in the shockwave and avoiding being dragged along with it required opposing thrust from ''Excelsior's'' ''Excelsior''[='=]s impulse engines.



* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in Wrath of Kahn. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new Enterprise. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to Neverland ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.
** A scene cut from ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'' (because its poor quality made it completely unusable) would have would have had Kirk's first scene in that movie be a sky-dive. . .from orbit!

* Careful viewers will ask themselves "How did the assassins beams to Kronos One and beam back when Valeris was on the bridge?" Aside from settings the transporter to a timer, you'll notice there's a female enlisted officer in the transporter room when Gorkon and his party beam to the ''Enterprise''. It's possible she had a peripheral role in the plot, not knowing why she had to beam two people over, or even thinking she was beaming over help.
** Look at the energy surrounding the two when they beam - it's red. That means they were transported to and from Kronos One by the hidden Bird of Prey.

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* It hit this troper that this movie finally ties up the personal character storyline for Captain Kirk that was established in ''[[StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan Wrath of Kahn.Khan]]''. In [=WoK=], Kirk complains about feeling old, useless, and generally accepting the best times of his life are behind him, something that [=McCoy=] chastises him for, encouraging him to be like his younger self before he truly becomes an antique. Certain events bring Kirk to feel rejuvenated and youthful enough to once again take up the captaincy of a new Enterprise. ''Enterprise''. When this Enterprise's time has come and Kirk is faced with his mortality once again in Undiscovered Country, Kirk plots a course to Neverland [[Literature/PeterPan Neverland]] ("Second Star to the Right and Straight On 'Til Morning"), informing the audience and reassuring himself that he intends to never grow old. Something that Kirk apparently follows through with until his death.
** A scene cut from ''Film/StarTrekGenerations'' (because its poor quality made it completely unusable) would have would have had Kirk's first scene in that movie be a sky-dive. . .skydive… from orbit!

* Careful viewers will ask themselves "How did the assassins beams to Kronos One ''Qo'noS One'' and beam back when Valeris was on the bridge?" Aside from settings the transporter to a timer, you'll notice there's a female enlisted officer in the transporter room when Gorkon and his party beam to the ''Enterprise''. It's possible she had a peripheral role in the plot, not knowing why she had to beam two people over, or even thinking she was beaming over help.
** Look at the energy surrounding the two when they beam - it's beam. It's red. That means they were transported to and from Kronos One ''Qo'noS One'' by the hidden Bird of Prey.



* The events of this movie occurred in both the main timeline and the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline. In the main timeline, it ushered in an era of peace with the Klingons. In the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline, the actions of the Enterprise crew and Sulu [[NiceJobBreakingItHero allowed the Klingons to recover and later start a war the Federation was losing]].

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* The events of this movie occurred in both the main timeline and the Yesterday's Enterprise "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS3E15YesterdaysEnterprise Yesterday's]] ''[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS3E15YesterdaysEnterprise Enterprise]]''" timeline. In the main timeline, it ushered in an era of peace with the Klingons. In the Yesterday's Enterprise "Yesterday's ''Enterprise''" timeline, the actions of the Enterprise ''Enterprise'' crew and Sulu [[NiceJobBreakingItHero allowed the Klingons to recover and later start a war the Federation was losing]].



** The StarTrekTheLostEra novel "Serpents in the Ruins" offers an answer to this - Azetbur wasn't bad or incompetent, just that she continued her father's peace efforts and was killed by more a militaristic faction who believed the Empire had been at peace for too long and were no longer interested in accepting Federation aid. One of her successor's first acts was to simply ban women from serving on the Council, seemingly blaming her gender for her politics.
*** Note that this would also explain the above alteration to the timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise - a militaristic faction coming to power in the Klingon Empire, interested in ending peaceful relations with the Federation, would be impressed by a Federation starship - indeed, not just any Federation starship but the Federation starship Enterprise - sacrificing itself to save a Klingon colony and view them as worthy allies. Without that act, we end up with the war that brought the Federation to the brink of defeat.
* For ''years'', I never realized that the President in ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'' was blind. Suddenly, the opaque pair of glasses he wears when looking at the Operation Retrieve plans make sense: they're an early form of the VISOR. Also, when Kirk dives over the podium and knocks him out of the way of assassin fire, he'd have no idea who did it -- which is why Kirk says to him: "Kirk. ''Enterprise''."
** That one was actually more or less confirmed by [[WordOfGod Michael & Denise Okuda]] in the DVD text commentary for that movie -- he was at least intended to be blind originally.

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** The StarTrekTheLostEra novel "Serpents in the Ruins" offers an answer to this - Azetbur wasn't bad or incompetent, just that she continued her father's peace efforts and was killed by more a militaristic faction who believed the Empire had been at peace for too long and were no longer interested in accepting Federation aid. One of her successor's first acts was to simply ban women from serving on the Council, seemingly blaming her gender for her politics.
*** Note that this would also explain the above alteration to the timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise - "Yesterday's ''Enterprise''" — a militaristic faction coming to power in the Klingon Empire, interested in ending peaceful relations with the Federation, would be impressed by a Federation starship - indeed, not just any Federation starship but the Federation starship Enterprise - ''Enterprise'' — sacrificing itself to save a Klingon colony and view them as worthy allies. Without that act, we end up with the war that brought the Federation to the brink of defeat.
* For ''years'', I never realized that the President in ''Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry'' was blind. Suddenly, the opaque pair of glasses he wears when looking at the Operation Retrieve plans make sense: they're an early form of the VISOR. Also, when Kirk dives over the podium and knocks him out of the way of assassin fire, he'd have no idea who did it -- which is why Kirk says to him: "Kirk. ''Enterprise''."
** That one was actually more or less confirmed by [[WordOfGod Michael & Denise Okuda]] in the DVD text commentary for that movie -- he was at least intended to be blind originally.



* When the Enterprise's crew goes rummaging through Klingon phrasebooks to respond to an incoming hail, why could they not just configure their ship's UniversalTranslator to provide a one-way translation of the incoming hail? And could they not configure it to provide an in-ship text translation of their response and recite ''that'' across the com channel?

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* When the Enterprise's ''Enterprise''[='=]s crew goes rummaging through Klingon phrasebooks to respond to an incoming hail, why could they not just configure their ship's UniversalTranslator to provide a one-way translation of the incoming hail? And could they not configure it to provide an in-ship text translation of their response and recite ''that'' across the com channel?
15th Dec '16 7:18:43 AM AFP
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** Not to mention a subtle embrace of his human heritage, tying in with his discussion with Valeris regarding Logic being the embodiment of wisdom or merely being the start of it.
11th Sep '16 6:19:42 AM benteen
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** As has been noted elsewhere, Martia had slipped off her leg irons before leading Kirk and McCoy to the surface, while Kirk was still wearing his.

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** As has been noted elsewhere, Martia had slipped off her leg irons before leading Kirk and McCoy [=McCoy=] to the surface, while Kirk was still wearing his.
11th Sep '16 6:17:33 AM benteen
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** As has been noted elsewhere, Martia had slipped off her leg irons before leading Kirk and McCoy to the surface, while Kirk was still wearing his.
7th Jul '16 11:26:06 AM thatsnumberwang
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** Kirk was a Starship Captain. When he says, "Not me you idiot, him!" he says it like he's giving orders, not like a punk ass criminal. You try it.

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** Kirk was a Starship Captain. When he says, "Not me you idiot, him!" he says it like he's giving orders, not like a punk ass criminal. You try it.
30th May '16 4:02:47 PM DGCatAniSiri
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** The StarTrekLostEra novel "Serpents in the Ruins" offers an answer to this - Azetbur wasn't bad or incompetent, just that she continued her father's peace efforts and was killed by more a militaristic faction who believed the Empire had been at peace for too long and were no longer interested in accepting Federation aid. One of her successor's first acts was to simply ban women from serving on the Council, seemingly blaming her gender for her politics.

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** The StarTrekLostEra StarTrekTheLostEra novel "Serpents in the Ruins" offers an answer to this - Azetbur wasn't bad or incompetent, just that she continued her father's peace efforts and was killed by more a militaristic faction who believed the Empire had been at peace for too long and were no longer interested in accepting Federation aid. One of her successor's first acts was to simply ban women from serving on the Council, seemingly blaming her gender for her politics.
30th May '16 4:02:29 PM DGCatAniSiri
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** The StarTrekLostEra novel "Serpents in the Ruins" offers an answer to this - Azetbur wasn't bad or incompetent, just that she continued her father's peace efforts and was killed by more a militaristic faction who believed the Empire had been at peace for too long and were no longer interested in accepting Federation aid. One of her successor's first acts was to simply ban women from serving on the Council, seemingly blaming her gender for her politics.
*** Note that this would also explain the above alteration to the timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise - a militaristic faction coming to power in the Klingon Empire, interested in ending peaceful relations with the Federation, would be impressed by a Federation starship - indeed, not just any Federation starship but the Federation starship Enterprise - sacrificing itself to save a Klingon colony and view them as worthy allies. Without that act, we end up with the war that brought the Federation to the brink of defeat.
23rd May '16 6:09:11 AM Agent_B
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** More than minimizing the impact, the helmsman probably also realized that maneuvering in the shockwave and avoiding being drug along with it required opposing thrust from ''Excelsior's'' impulse engines.

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** More than minimizing the impact, the helmsman probably also realized that maneuvering in the shockwave and avoiding being drug dragged along with it required opposing thrust from ''Excelsior's'' impulse engines.
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