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14th Feb '17 9:29:48 AM cdrood
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*** Signals/frequencies are still electromagnetic waves and even at that they can't travel indefinitely through interstellar space as other radiation sources will interfere eventually. Whale singing is sound. Sound requires a medium (water, air) to travel through and the signal rapidly gets weaker the further from the source. Wind and even other animals swimming would dissipate the sound waves of whales singing quickly Unless there's a subspace transmitter or wormhole in the oceans, it wouldn't work
30th Oct '16 11:46:25 PM heartofthemoon
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** The Guardian in The City on the Edge of Forever didn't appear to have, or give, an option to bring someone back who hadn't gone through. It automatically brought back McCoy, Spock, and Kirk once Keeler's death restored the timeline. So, to save Edith Keeler, they'd have to do another warp jump and beam her out, preferably when no one was watching. (And then cause a minor time ripple about a missing woman who is never found...)

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** The Guardian in The City on the Edge of Forever didn't appear to have, or give, an option to bring someone back who hadn't gone through. It automatically brought back McCoy, [=McCoy=], Spock, and Kirk once Keeler's death restored the timeline. So, to save Edith Keeler, they'd have to do another warp jump and beam her out, preferably when no one was watching. (And then cause a minor time ripple about a missing woman who is never found...)
7th Jul '16 12:00:58 PM thatsnumberwang
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*** In America perhaps. However bear in mind that the Middle East is a scant few years away from the eugenics wars. What if someone thinks that spontaneously generating organs might be ''very'' useful for their augmented army? We do know from Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness that Khan has incredible levels of regeneration which the Prime augments should logically also possess as they were engineered before Nero's incursion. Who knows how the team working on the augments developed that technology? A trace residue from a miracle drug from the future perhaps? And heck, its not even as if the America of the Star Trek universe is that squeaky clean anyway considering that the Bill Gates of this world is Henry Starling - AKA the guy who lives to make money ripping off the future and is perfectly willing to lie, kidnap and murder in the process.
13th May '16 10:12:38 AM AnotherGuy
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** The whales are also completely alone, with no others of its species. However, according to the Novelization, whales have always had good relations with other marine mammals like dolphins.
24th Mar '16 3:57:29 PM gothelittle
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** Speaking of time travel and a missing woman who is never found, one might feel sorry for Gillian's boss. We know that she decided to go forward in time with Kirk [[spoiler:so that she could teach people about whales and lived happily ever after.]] All he knows is that [[spoiler:he made the decision to send the whales off early in hopes of making the parting easier on her...]] and she screamed at him, slapped him, stormed off, and drove away. Her empty truck was found in Golden Gate Park and her body was never recovered.
13th Mar '16 10:04:21 PM Benjilicious
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* Why didn't Kirk transmit the alien probe's message to the whales from the 21st century, record their response, and then take their response back to the 23rd century and transmit it to the probe? Why did they need to bring the whales back at all? It can't be for conservation/repopulation reasons, because even the most basic biology student could tell Kirk about the concept of a genetic bottleneck.

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* Why didn't Kirk transmit the alien probe's message to the whales from the 21st century, record their response, and then take their response back to the 23rd century and transmit it to the probe? Why did they need to bring the whales back at all? It can't be for conservation/repopulation reasons, because even the most basic biology student could tell Kirk about the concept of a genetic bottleneck.bottleneck.
** OK, so he goes back and records the whales' response to the probe. Then the probe asks a follow-up question. What then?
24th Feb '16 9:21:50 AM Darth_Rasputin32898
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* It wasn't even necessary to give the 20th century transparent aluminum. The guy at the factory said that they could build the whale tank with six inch thick plexiglass. So why didn't they just do that?
** That's exactly what they did do. They traded the Transparent Aluminum formula for the materials they needed. They only had $100 in cash to begin with after all, so they bartered with information.

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* It wasn't even necessary to give the 20th century transparent aluminum. The guy at the factory said that they could build the whale tank with six inch thick plexiglass. So why didn't they just do that?
** That's
And, what many people seem to overlook is that that's exactly what they did do. They traded the Transparent Aluminum formula for the materials they needed. They only had $100 in cash to begin with after all, so they bartered with information. information.
** And while we're at it, it's not like it's a major issue with the timeline, either. Sulu commented that they were 'a number of years too early' when Scotty thought of using transparent aluminum, and Dr. Nichols himself said 'it'd take years just to figure out the dynamics of this matrix,' in reference to the information Scotty gave him. It seems that this and other elements of this movie were the 'correct' course of events, forming a StableTimeLoop.
24th Feb '16 9:14:17 AM Darth_Rasputin32898
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** The time cops in ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]'' 's "Trials and Tribble-lations" groaned upon hearing that James Kirk was involved with Sisko's story, calling Kirk a 'menace' and was responsible for -I believe - 17 separate time violations.

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** The time cops in ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]'' 's "Trials and Tribble-lations" groaned upon hearing that James Kirk was involved with Sisko's story, calling Kirk a 'menace' and was responsible for -I believe - 17 separate time violations.
21st Feb '16 12:25:05 PM seandmon
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* FridgeBrilliance - When the rest of the crew are splashing around celebrating in San Francisco Bay after the Probe departs, Spock is ''very'' noticeably not enjoying himself. He tries to climb as high up on the Bird of Prey's hull as he can, resists the efforts of the others to drag him into the water with them, and lets out a growl of disgust when they finally succeed and he surfaces. On one hand it's funny because Spock is usually TheStoic, and you'd expect him to be reserved and dignified. But then you remember Spock is from Vulcan. Vulcan is a highly-volcanic SingleBiomePlanet that's almost entirely covered by mountains and deserts, with only a few small scattered seas. He doesn't like the water because he's from a planet where thanks to modern irrigation technology one could go their entire life and ''never see open bodies of water''. Spock diving into George and Gracie's tank earlier was merely done out of necessity.

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* FridgeBrilliance - When the rest of the crew are splashing around celebrating in San Francisco Bay after the Probe departs, Spock is ''very'' noticeably not enjoying himself. He tries to climb as high up on the Bird of Prey's hull as he can, resists the efforts of the others to drag him into the water with them, and lets out a growl of disgust when they finally succeed and he surfaces. On one hand it's funny because Spock is usually TheStoic, and you'd expect him to be reserved and dignified. But then you remember Spock is from Vulcan. Vulcan is a highly-volcanic SingleBiomePlanet that's almost entirely covered by mountains and deserts, with only a few small scattered seas. He doesn't like the water because he's from a planet where thanks to modern irrigation technology one could go their entire life and ''never see open bodies of water''. Spock diving into George and Gracie's tank earlier was merely done out of necessity.necessity.
*Why didn't Kirk transmit the alien probe's message to the whales from the 21st century, record their response, and then take their response back to the 23rd century and transmit it to the probe? Why did they need to bring the whales back at all? It can't be for conservation/repopulation reasons, because even the most basic biology student could tell Kirk about the concept of a genetic bottleneck.
4th Dec '15 1:40:22 PM Durison
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** Not to mention the ecological catastrophe(s) of the coming decades in the Trek 'verse; the Eugenics Wars-WWIII.
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