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4th Dec '15 1:40:22 PM Durison
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** Not to mention the ecological catastrophe(s) of the coming decades in the Trek 'verse; the Eugenics Wars-WWIII.
14th Sep '15 7:42:35 PM omegafire17
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** Would two whales + one baby + one human expert make that much difference though, compared to the dozens/hundreds of whales being slaughtered every year despite efforts to the contrary?

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** The 23rd century has tricorders that scan many signals/frequencies/what-have-you from large distances, and the Probe is definitely many centuries ahead of them in power + sophistication... no doubt it just picks up their songs as signals, which can easily be picked up across space (no need for 'hearing' as we understand it). Apparently they weren't in any hurry though, with that same Probe merely traveling at impulse speeds.
4th Sep '15 12:07:14 PM billtkd
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** Presumably the same way any space ship in St does. They scan the ocean for high-pitched tones (whale song).
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** Presumably the same way any space ship in St ST does. They scan the ocean for high-pitched tones (whale song).
4th Sep '15 12:06:30 PM billtkd
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** Presumably the same way any space ship in St does. They scan the ocean for high-pitched tones (whale song).
4th Sep '15 11:59:21 AM billtkd
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*** The thing to consider is not just that the person in question is dead/missing but how the people who knew them react and how that will effect them and the people who know them. Sometimes it makes no relevant difference, other times the changes are more obvious. If Gillain wasn't particularly social then her disappearance will cause minimal change.
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*** The thing to consider is not just that the person in question is dead/missing but how the people who knew them react and how that will effect affect them and the people who know them. Sometimes it makes no relevant difference, other times the changes are more obvious. If Gillain wasn't particularly social then her disappearance will cause minimal change.
4th Sep '15 11:56:58 AM billtkd
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** Leaving aside that technology was [[{{Understatement}} slightly]] more advanced than "lightbulbs" in the 1930s, the Federation has established rules for dealing with time travel and people stranded thereby. One of them is that people from the past who come forward in time need to stay forward in time unless their absence in the past causes catastrophic consequences. Edith Keeler just "disappearing" rather than dying might have had greater consequences than some whale biologist who was already a bit of an overemotional flake (what? she ''is'') disappearing.
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** Leaving aside that technology was [[{{Understatement}} slightly]] more advanced than "lightbulbs" in the 1930s, the The Federation has established rules for dealing with time travel and people stranded thereby. One of them is that people from the past who come forward in time need to stay forward in time unless their absence in the past causes catastrophic consequences. Edith Keeler just "disappearing" rather than dying might have had greater consequences than some whale biologist who was already a bit of an overemotional flake (what? she ''is'') disappearing.
4th Sep '15 11:55:24 AM billtkd
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** Edith Keeler was from the 1930s, where the most advanced technology was nowhere near space travel or,time travel. Her entire life was devoted to caring for the men that came into the shelter. Gillian was from the 1980s, which would be a slightly easier transition culturally. Her entire life was given over to caring for George and Gracie. Besides, who's to say that the Guardian would have ''let'' them bring back Edith Keeler? (And yes, I got the HoYay implications of your post. I'm just not a Kirk/Spock shipper.)
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** Edith Keeler was from the 1930s, where the most advanced technology was nowhere near space travel or,time or time travel. Her entire life was devoted to caring for the men that came into the shelter. Gillian was from the 1980s, which would be a slightly easier transition culturally. Her entire life was given over to caring for George and Gracie. Besides, who's to say that the Guardian would have ''let'' them bring back Edith Keeler? (And yes, I got the HoYay implications of your post. I'm just not a Kirk/Spock shipper.)
4th Sep '15 11:53:53 AM billtkd
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Changed the erroneous suggestion that the most advanced technology in the 1930s was the lightbulb.
** Edith Keeler was from the 1930s, where the most advanced technology available was a lightbulb. Her entire life was devoted to caring for the men that came into the shelter. Gillian was from the 1980s, which would be a slightly easier transition culturally. Her entire life was given over to caring for George and Gracie. Besides, who's to say that the Guardian would have ''let'' them bring back Edith Keeler? (And yes, I got the HoYay implications of your post. I'm just not a Kirk/Spock shipper.)
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** Edith Keeler was from the 1930s, where the most advanced technology available was a lightbulb.nowhere near space travel or,time travel. Her entire life was devoted to caring for the men that came into the shelter. Gillian was from the 1980s, which would be a slightly easier transition culturally. Her entire life was given over to caring for George and Gracie. Besides, who's to say that the Guardian would have ''let'' them bring back Edith Keeler? (And yes, I got the HoYay implications of your post. I'm just not a Kirk/Spock shipper.)
4th Sep '15 11:39:16 AM billtkd
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** Time travel in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' IS easy, it's just generally a bad idea.
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** Time travel in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' IS easy, it's easy. It's just generally a bad idea.
4th Sep '15 11:37:29 AM billtkd
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Corrected "it's supplies" to "its supplies".
*** They're actually using Klingon communicators. Slightly redesigned between movies, but if you look they've got the Electric shaver looking mouthpieces Kruge and his crew used instead of the usual Starfleet flip open communicators. Presumably the Bird of Prey had several in it's supplies and they just used those.
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*** They're actually using Klingon communicators. Slightly redesigned between movies, but if you look they've got the Electric shaver looking mouthpieces Kruge and his crew used instead of the usual Starfleet flip open communicators. Presumably the Bird of Prey had several in it's its supplies and they just used those.
4th Sep '15 11:37:29 AM billtkd
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Corrected "it's supplies" to "its supplies".
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