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6th Oct '17 12:26:37 PM Premonition45
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* FridgeHorror: The crew all know San Francisco well because they went to Starfleet Academy there, yet Chekov and Uhura have no idea where Alameda is. Alameda was probably either bombed into oblivion during one of Earth's major wars, or sunk due to sea level rise.
* FridgeLogic: Chekov left his phaser, communicator, and identification onboard the USS ''Enterprise''... that is, the "nuclear wessel".
** [[ChekovsGun Chekov's phaser]] didn't work, the identification was laughed off as a fake, and the communicator useless to anyone without 23rd Century or later communicators to talk to. They were most likely tossed aside as useless props owned by a Commie agent. Conversely, given the StableTimeLoop that seems to happen with Scotty giving away transparent aluminum, the tech from Chekov's "props" could be used to found the technology Cochrane would need to build his warp drive.
*** They were seized by TheMenInBlack and taken to {{Area 51}}.
*** Clarified in the novelization, where Chekov grabbed his things before leaving the ship, and threw them into the water before he was captured again.
*** And good thing, too, as The Original Series establishes that communicators are ''not'' useless without another communicator near -- or more accurately, you can't use them as a tool, but you ''can'' reverse-engineer certain basic 23d century Federation technologies from them (even from a less developed starting point then that of the 1980s-era USA).
*** Wait a minute, during this timeframe, would Federation communicators even work with a Klingon ship? They were at war with each other. Or are they powerful enough transmitters to not require a ship or satellite relay? The movie mentions replacing the food packs, not rebuilding the communication system.
*** They're actually using Klingon communicators. Slightly redesigned between movies, but if you look they've got the Electric shaver looking mouthpieces Kruge and his crew used instead of the usual Starfleet flip open communicators. Presumably the Bird of Prey had several in its supplies and they just used those.

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* FridgeHorror: The crew all know San Francisco well because they went to Starfleet Academy there, yet Chekov and Uhura have no idea where Alameda is. Alameda was probably either bombed into oblivion during one of Earth's major wars, or sunk due to sea level rise.
* FridgeLogic: Chekov left his phaser, communicator, and identification onboard the USS ''Enterprise''... that is, the "nuclear wessel".
** [[ChekovsGun Chekov's phaser]] didn't work, the identification was laughed off as a fake, and the communicator useless to anyone without 23rd Century or later communicators to talk to. They were most likely tossed aside as useless props owned by a Commie agent. Conversely, given the StableTimeLoop that seems to happen with Scotty giving away transparent aluminum, the tech from Chekov's "props" could be used to found the technology Cochrane would need to build his warp drive.
*** They were seized by TheMenInBlack and taken to {{Area 51}}.
*** Clarified in the novelization, where Chekov grabbed his things before leaving the ship, and threw them into the water before he was captured again.
*** And good thing, too, as The Original Series establishes that communicators are ''not'' useless without another communicator near -- or more accurately, you can't use them as a tool, but you ''can'' reverse-engineer certain basic 23d century Federation technologies from them (even from a less developed starting point then that of the 1980s-era USA).
*** Wait a minute, during this timeframe, would Federation communicators even work with a Klingon ship? They were at war with each other. Or are they powerful enough transmitters to not require a ship or satellite relay? The movie mentions replacing the food packs, not rebuilding the communication system.
*** They're actually using Klingon communicators. Slightly redesigned between movies, but if you look they've got the Electric shaver looking mouthpieces Kruge and his crew used instead of the usual Starfleet flip open communicators. Presumably the Bird of Prey had several in its supplies and they just used those.
!!FridgeBrilliance:



* So what happened to Maltz from ''Film/{{Star Trek III|The Search for Spock}}''? Surely if the Federation sent a ship to pick up a Klingon prisoner, they would have picked up Kirk and company as well. Did Maltz spend the entirety of ''Star Trek IV'' in the bird-of-prey's brig?
** Dropped him off in a Vulcan prison, or at the Klingon embassy on Vulcan, most likely.
** Given the Klingon [[ProudWarriorRace mentality]] it doesn't seem likely that Klingon birds-of-prey would be equipped with dedicated holding cells--Maltz might have spent time in some sort of high-security closet.
** Maybe they left him on Vulcan.
** The film mentions that Sarek's diplomatic powers are what's keeping the Federation from just arresting Kirk and company. Odds are he wouldn't have been inclined to offer Maltz the same protection.
*** In the {{Novelization}}, we learn Maltz committed suicide.
*** However, the ExpandedUniverse has Maltz still alive in [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration the 24th century]].
*** One storyline of the movie before Eddie Murphy left the project had Maltz escape into 20th Century earth while Kirk and crew are off to find some whales. Murphy would have run into him, thereby bringing him into the story.
* The guy at the factory said that they could build the whale tank with six inch thick plexiglass. And, what many people seem to overlook is that that's exactly what they did do. They traded the Transparent Aluminum formula for the materials they needed. They only had $100 in cash to begin with after all, so they bartered with information.
** And while we're at it, it's not like it's a major issue with the timeline, either. Sulu commented that they were 'a number of years too early' when Scotty thought of using transparent aluminum, and Dr. Nichols himself said 'it'd take years just to figure out the dynamics of this matrix,' in reference to the information Scotty gave him. It seems that this and other elements of this movie were the 'correct' course of events, forming a StableTimeLoop.
* FridgeHorror: While it's great and all that the Planet is saved at the end, eventually, they're going to have to repeat this mission. At best, a humpback can live about a hundred years; if George and Gracie's kid lives that long, the humpback will go back to extinction around Picard's time.

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* So what happened to Maltz from ''Film/{{Star Trek III|The Search for Spock}}''? Surely if The line "Damage control is easy. Reading Klingon, that's hard!" is actually a in-joke. The original foundations of the Federation sent a ship to pick up a Klingon prisoner, and Vulcan languages stem from the first Star Trek film. And were actually put together by...James Doohan (Scotty).
* When the rest of the crew are splashing around celebrating in San Francisco Bay after the Probe departs, Spock is ''very'' noticeably not enjoying himself. He tries to climb as high up on the Bird of Prey's hull as he can, resists the efforts of the others to drag him into the water with them, and lets out a growl of disgust when
they would have picked up Kirk finally succeed and company as well. Did Maltz spend he surfaces. On one hand it's funny because Spock is usually TheStoic, and you'd expect him to be reserved and dignified. But then you remember Spock is from Vulcan. Vulcan is a highly-volcanic SingleBiomePlanet that's almost entirely covered by mountains and deserts, with only a few small scattered seas. He doesn't like the entirety water because he's from a planet where thanks to modern irrigation technology one could go their entire life and ''never see open bodies of water''. Spock diving into George and Gracie's tank earlier was merely done out of necessity.
* If you view ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan'', ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock'', and this film as a trilogy, you'd see that
''Star Trek IV'' in the bird-of-prey's brig?
** Dropped him off in a Vulcan prison, or at the Klingon embassy on Vulcan, most likely.
** Given the Klingon [[ProudWarriorRace mentality]] it doesn't seem likely that Klingon birds-of-prey would be equipped with dedicated holding cells--Maltz might have spent time in some sort of high-security closet.
** Maybe they left him on Vulcan.
** The
II'' was about Khan, seeing himself as [[Literature/MobyDick Captain Ahab]], [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge hunting down his whale]], specifically Kirk, [[BookEnds and this film mentions that Sarek's diplomatic powers are what's keeping the Federation from just arresting is about Kirk and company. Odds are he wouldn't have been inclined to offer Maltz the same protection.
*** In the {{Novelization}}, we learn Maltz committed suicide.
*** However, the ExpandedUniverse has Maltz still alive in [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration the 24th century]].
*** One storyline of the movie before Eddie Murphy left the project had Maltz escape into 20th Century earth while Kirk and
his crew are off to find some whales. Murphy would have run into him, thereby bringing him into the story.
saving literal whales]].

!!FridgeHorror:
* The guy at the factory said that crew all know San Francisco well because they could build the whale tank with six inch thick plexiglass. And, what many people seem went to overlook is that that's exactly what they did do. They traded the Transparent Aluminum formula for the materials they needed. They only had $100 in cash to begin with after all, so they bartered with information.
** And while we're at it, it's not like it's a
Starfleet Academy there, yet Chekov and Uhura have no idea where Alameda is. Alameda was probably either bombed into oblivion during one of Earth's major issue with the timeline, either. Sulu commented that they were 'a number of years too early' when Scotty thought of using transparent aluminum, and Dr. Nichols himself said 'it'd take years just wars, or sunk due to figure out the dynamics of this matrix,' in reference to the information Scotty gave him. It seems that this and other elements of this movie were the 'correct' course of events, forming a StableTimeLoop.
sea level rise.
* FridgeHorror: While it's great and all that the Planet is saved at the end, eventually, they're going to have to repeat this mission. At best, a humpback can live about a hundred years; if George and Gracie's kid lives that long, the humpback will go back to extinction around Picard's time.



* If we accept that hump-backed whales are endangered and every single one of them (especially "very pregnant" ones) matter to the survival of the species, then it's quite possible that by taking two away, as well as an expert / activist (who now, without a job, had plenty of time on her hands to work on behalf of the whales), that it's possible Kirk may have inadvertently caused their extinction! Yes I know they were being hunted at the end, but we don't know whether they would have escaped from the whalers...
** Would two whales + one baby + one human expert make that much difference though, compared to the dozens/hundreds of whales being slaughtered every year despite efforts to the contrary?
** Not to mention the ecological catastrophe(s) of the coming decades in the Trek 'verse; the Eugenics Wars-WWIII.
* Imagine being a pilot in one of those little shuttles that you see flying around inside Spacedock as the Probe passes by. Not only are you stuck in a powerless metal box with dwindling air reserves, it's only a matter of time before you collide with part of Spacedock, another shuttle, a starship...

!!FridgeLogic:



* Chekov left his phaser, communicator, and identification onboard the USS ''Enterprise''... that is, the "nuclear wessel".
** [[ChekovsGun Chekov's phaser]] didn't work, the identification was laughed off as a fake, and the communicator useless to anyone without 23rd Century or later communicators to talk to. They were most likely tossed aside as useless props owned by a Commie agent. Conversely, given the StableTimeLoop that seems to happen with Scotty giving away transparent aluminum, the tech from Chekov's "props" could be used to found the technology Cochrane would need to build his warp drive.
*** They were seized by TheMenInBlack and taken to {{Area 51}}.
*** Clarified in the novelization, where Chekov grabbed his things before leaving the ship, and threw them into the water before he was captured again.
*** And good thing, too, as The Original Series establishes that communicators are ''not'' useless without another communicator near -- or more accurately, you can't use them as a tool, but you ''can'' reverse-engineer certain basic 23d century Federation technologies from them (even from a less developed starting point then that of the 1980s-era USA).
*** Wait a minute, during this timeframe, would Federation communicators even work with a Klingon ship? They were at war with each other. Or are they powerful enough transmitters to not require a ship or satellite relay? The movie mentions replacing the food packs, not rebuilding the communication system.
*** They're actually using Klingon communicators. Slightly redesigned between movies, but if you look they've got the Electric shaver looking mouthpieces Kruge and his crew used instead of the usual Starfleet flip open communicators. Presumably the Bird of Prey had several in its supplies and they just used those.
* Kirk tells Gillian that she might have a chance at a longer life if she stayed on Earth, rather than travel to the future in a spaceship that might not make it in one piece. In the ''Trek'' universe, the Eugenics Wars started in 1992. She's probably damn lucky she went forward in time.
** Not necessarily. An episode from Voyager had the crew time travel to the 1990s U.S. and it seemed to be pretty okay. It's implied, but [[GreatOffscreenWar not shown]] that the Eugenics Wars were largely confined to Asia and Africa.
* So what happened to Maltz from ''Film/{{Star Trek III|The Search for Spock}}''? Surely if the Federation sent a ship to pick up a Klingon prisoner, they would have picked up Kirk and company as well. Did Maltz spend the entirety of ''Star Trek IV'' in the bird-of-prey's brig?
** Dropped him off in a Vulcan prison, or at the Klingon embassy on Vulcan, most likely.
** Given the Klingon [[ProudWarriorRace mentality]] it doesn't seem likely that Klingon birds-of-prey would be equipped with dedicated holding cells--Maltz might have spent time in some sort of high-security closet.
** Maybe they left him on Vulcan.
** The film mentions that Sarek's diplomatic powers are what's keeping the Federation from just arresting Kirk and company. Odds are he wouldn't have been inclined to offer Maltz the same protection.
*** In the {{Novelization}}, we learn Maltz committed suicide.
*** However, the ExpandedUniverse has Maltz still alive in [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration the 24th century]].
*** One storyline of the movie before Eddie Murphy left the project had Maltz escape into 20th Century earth while Kirk and crew are off to find some whales. Murphy would have run into him, thereby bringing him into the story.
* The guy at the factory said that they could build the whale tank with six inch thick plexiglass. And, what many people seem to overlook is that that's exactly what they did do. They traded the Transparent Aluminum formula for the materials they needed. They only had $100 in cash to begin with after all, so they bartered with information.
** And while we're at it, it's not like it's a major issue with the timeline, either. Sulu commented that they were 'a number of years too early' when Scotty thought of using transparent aluminum, and Dr. Nichols himself said 'it'd take years just to figure out the dynamics of this matrix,' in reference to the information Scotty gave him. It seems that this and other elements of this movie were the 'correct' course of events, forming a StableTimeLoop.



* The line "Damage control is easy. Reading Klingon, that's hard!" is actually a in-joke. The original foundations of the Klingon and Vulcan languages stem from the first Star Trek film. And were actually put together by...James Doohan (Scotty).



* A case of almost FridgeHorror: Kirk tells Gillian that she might have a chance at a longer life if she stayed on Earth, rather than travel to the future in a spaceship that might not make it in one piece. In the ''Trek'' universe, the Eugenics Wars started in 1992. She's probably damn lucky she went forward in time.
** Not necessarily. An episode from Voyager had the crew time travel to the 1990s U.S. and it seemed to be pretty okay. It's implied, but [[GreatOffscreenWar not shown]] that the Eugenics Wars were largely confined to Asia and Africa.
* FridgeHorror - If we accept that hump-backed whales are endangered and every single one of them (especially "very pregnant" ones) matter to the survival of the species, then it's quite possible that by taking two away, as well as an expert / activist (who now, without a job, had plenty of time on her hands to work on behalf of the whales), that it's possible Kirk may have inadvertently caused their extinction! Yes I know they were being hunted at the end, but we don't know whether they would have escaped from the whalers...
** Would two whales + one baby + one human expert make that much difference though, compared to the dozens/hundreds of whales being slaughtered every year despite efforts to the contrary?
** Not to mention the ecological catastrophe(s) of the coming decades in the Trek 'verse; the Eugenics Wars-WWIII.



* FridgeBrilliance - When the rest of the crew are splashing around celebrating in San Francisco Bay after the Probe departs, Spock is ''very'' noticeably not enjoying himself. He tries to climb as high up on the Bird of Prey's hull as he can, resists the efforts of the others to drag him into the water with them, and lets out a growl of disgust when they finally succeed and he surfaces. On one hand it's funny because Spock is usually TheStoic, and you'd expect him to be reserved and dignified. But then you remember Spock is from Vulcan. Vulcan is a highly-volcanic SingleBiomePlanet that's almost entirely covered by mountains and deserts, with only a few small scattered seas. He doesn't like the water because he's from a planet where thanks to modern irrigation technology one could go their entire life and ''never see open bodies of water''. Spock diving into George and Gracie's tank earlier was merely done out of necessity.



** Spock explains that the Universal Translator can't understand whale song, and like mentioned above, there's going to be more than 1 question the probe has when the whales answer. They need a native speaker to tell the probe to screw off, so they bring back 2 in hopes of repopulating whales to prevent this from happening again.
* FridgeHorror: Imagine being a pilot in one of those little shuttles that you see flying around inside Spacedock as the Probe passes by. Not only are you stuck in a powerless metal box with dwindling air reserves, it's only a matter of time before you collide with part of Spacedock, another shuttle, a starship...

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** Spock explains that the Universal Translator can't understand whale song, and like mentioned above, there's going to be more than 1 question the probe has when the whales answer. They need a native speaker to tell the probe to screw off, so they bring back 2 in hopes of repopulating whales to prevent this from happening again.
* FridgeHorror: Imagine being a pilot in one of those little shuttles that you see flying around inside Spacedock as the Probe passes by. Not only are you stuck in a powerless metal box with dwindling air reserves, it's only a matter of time before you collide with part of Spacedock, another shuttle, a starship...
again.
23rd Sep '17 3:31:50 PM cg12345
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** Spock explains that the Universal Translator can't understand whale song, and like mentioned above, there's going to be more than 1 question the probe has when the whales answer. They need a native speaker to tell the probe to screw off, so they bring back 2 in hopes of repopulating whales to prevent this from happening again.

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** Spock explains that the Universal Translator can't understand whale song, and like mentioned above, there's going to be more than 1 question the probe has when the whales answer. They need a native speaker to tell the probe to screw off, so they bring back 2 in hopes of repopulating whales to prevent this from happening again.again.
* FridgeHorror: Imagine being a pilot in one of those little shuttles that you see flying around inside Spacedock as the Probe passes by. Not only are you stuck in a powerless metal box with dwindling air reserves, it's only a matter of time before you collide with part of Spacedock, another shuttle, a starship...
14th Aug '17 9:22:14 AM Hyrin
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** Also, the probe knocks out primary power and propulsion to any ship. There's no guarantee that the Bird of Prey could have played the message.

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** Also, the probe knocks out primary power and propulsion to any ship. There's no guarantee that the Bird of Prey could have played the message.message.
** Spock explains that the Universal Translator can't understand whale song, and like mentioned above, there's going to be more than 1 question the probe has when the whales answer. They need a native speaker to tell the probe to screw off, so they bring back 2 in hopes of repopulating whales to prevent this from happening again.
17th Jul '17 6:54:18 PM ChrisMD123
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** OK, so he goes back and records the whales' response to the probe. Then the probe asks a follow-up question. What then?

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** OK, so he goes back and records the whales' response to the probe. Then the probe asks a follow-up question. What then?then?
** Also, the probe knocks out primary power and propulsion to any ship. There's no guarantee that the Bird of Prey could have played the message.
17th Jul '17 6:45:21 PM ChrisMD123
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** I think everyone's taking this one too literally. If he could get a DeLorean up to 88 MPH, of course he could get a Bird of Prey to travel through time.
17th Jul '17 6:44:13 PM ChrisMD123
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* FridgeHorror: The crew all know San Francisco well because they went to Starfleet Academy there, yet Chekov and Uhura have no idea where Alameda is. Alameda was probably either bombed into oblivion during one of Earth's major wars, or sunk due to sea level rise.
14th Feb '17 9:29:48 AM cdrood
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*** Signals/frequencies are still electromagnetic waves and even at that they can't travel indefinitely through interstellar space as other radiation sources will interfere eventually. Whale singing is sound. Sound requires a medium (water, air) to travel through and the signal rapidly gets weaker the further from the source. Wind and even other animals swimming would dissipate the sound waves of whales singing quickly Unless there's a subspace transmitter or wormhole in the oceans, it wouldn't work
30th Oct '16 11:46:25 PM heartofthemoon
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** The Guardian in The City on the Edge of Forever didn't appear to have, or give, an option to bring someone back who hadn't gone through. It automatically brought back McCoy, Spock, and Kirk once Keeler's death restored the timeline. So, to save Edith Keeler, they'd have to do another warp jump and beam her out, preferably when no one was watching. (And then cause a minor time ripple about a missing woman who is never found...)

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** The Guardian in The City on the Edge of Forever didn't appear to have, or give, an option to bring someone back who hadn't gone through. It automatically brought back McCoy, [=McCoy=], Spock, and Kirk once Keeler's death restored the timeline. So, to save Edith Keeler, they'd have to do another warp jump and beam her out, preferably when no one was watching. (And then cause a minor time ripple about a missing woman who is never found...)
7th Jul '16 12:00:58 PM thatsnumberwang
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*** In America perhaps. However bear in mind that the Middle East is a scant few years away from the eugenics wars. What if someone thinks that spontaneously generating organs might be ''very'' useful for their augmented army? We do know from Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness that Khan has incredible levels of regeneration which the Prime augments should logically also possess as they were engineered before Nero's incursion. Who knows how the team working on the augments developed that technology? A trace residue from a miracle drug from the future perhaps? And heck, its not even as if the America of the Star Trek universe is that squeaky clean anyway considering that the Bill Gates of this world is Henry Starling - AKA the guy who lives to make money ripping off the future and is perfectly willing to lie, kidnap and murder in the process.
13th May '16 10:12:38 AM AnotherGuy
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** The whales are also completely alone, with no others of its species. However, according to the Novelization, whales have always had good relations with other marine mammals like dolphins.
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