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** '''''"Made weak by time"''''' Creator/RogerMoore already considered the idea of quitting after his fifth film, feeling that he was getting too old to play Bond convincingly. However, he stuck around for [[{{Film/Octopussy}} two]] [[Film/AViewToAKill more]] films, which ended up being the worst in his entire run.
** '''''"and fate,"''''' Creator/TimothyDalton only got to do [[Film/TheLivingDaylights two]] [[Film/LicenceToKill movies]], as a lawsuit grounded the franchise for 6 years, resulting in Dalton himself resigning from the role.
** '''''"but strong in will"''''' Creator/PierceBrosnan saved the franchise with his [[{{Film/Goldeneye}} first turn as Bond]], and when his films became mediocre (getting fired from the role after ''Die Another Day''), Creator/DanielCraig took over the role and his films steered the franchise in a new direction.

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** '''''"Made weak by time"''''' Creator/RogerMoore already considered the idea of quitting after his [[Film/ForYourEyesOnly fifth film, film]], feeling that he was getting too old to play Bond convincingly. However, he stuck around for [[{{Film/Octopussy}} two]] [[Film/AViewToAKill more]] films, which ended up being the worst in his entire run.
** '''''"and fate,"''''' Creator/TimothyDalton only got to do [[Film/TheLivingDaylights two]] [[Film/LicenceToKill movies]], as a lawsuit grounded the franchise for 6 years, resulting in which eventually led to Dalton himself resigning from the role.
** '''''"but strong in will"''''' Creator/PierceBrosnan saved gave new life to the franchise with his [[{{Film/Goldeneye}} first turn as Bond]], and when his ''his'' films became mediocre (getting (ending with him being fired from the role after ''Die Another Day''), ''Film/DieAnotherDay''), Creator/DanielCraig took over the role and his films steered took the franchise in a new another direction.
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* Parts of M's speech isn't just about the importance of MI6 and the 00 program, it's also referring to the previous Bond actors over the franchise's history, which is rather fitting as this film is the 50th anniversary celebration.
** '''''"One equal temper of heroic hearts"''''' Creator/SeanConnery gave a more heroic portrayal compared to Ian Fleming's [[SociopathicHero depiction]] in the novels, and Creator/GeorgeLazenby gave a previously unseen, very human side of Bond at the end of his [[Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService only film.]]
** '''''"Made weak by time"''''' Creator/RogerMoore planned to quit after his fifth film, feeling that he was getting too old to play Bond convincingly. However, he stuck to the role for [[{{Film/Octopussy}} two]] [[Film/AViewToAKill more]] films, which ended up being the worst in his entire run.

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* Parts of M's speech isn't just about the importance of MI6 and the 00 program, it's also referring to the previous Bond actors over the franchise's history, actors, which is rather fitting as this film is celebrating the franchise's 50th anniversary celebration.
anniversary.
** '''''"One equal temper of heroic hearts"''''' Creator/SeanConnery gave a decidedly more heroic portrayal compared to Ian Fleming's [[SociopathicHero depiction]] in the novels, and Creator/GeorgeLazenby gave viewers a previously unseen, very human side of Bond at the end of his [[Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService only film.]]
** '''''"Made weak by time"''''' Creator/RogerMoore planned to quit already considered the idea of quitting after his fifth film, feeling that he was getting too old to play Bond convincingly. However, he stuck to the role around for [[{{Film/Octopussy}} two]] [[Film/AViewToAKill more]] films, which ended up being the worst in his entire run.
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* M's speech isn't just about the importance of MI6, it could also very well be referring to the previous Bond actors.
** ''"One equal temper of heroic hearts"'' Creator/SeanConnery gave a more heroic portrayal compared to Ian Fleming's depiction in the novels, and Creator/GeorgeLazenby gave a previously unseen, very human side of Bond at the end of his [[Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService only film.]]
** ''"Made weak by time"'' Creator/RogerMoore planned to quit after his fifth film, feeling that he was getting too old for the role. However, he was forced to do [[Film/Octopussy two]] [[Film/AViewToAKill more]], which ended up being the worst in his entire run.
** ''"and fate,"'' Creator/TimothyDalton only got to do [[Film/TheLivingDaylights two]] [[Film/LicenceToKill movies]] as Bond because the lawsuit grounded the franchise for 6 years, resulting in Dalton himself resigning from the role.
** ''"but strong in will"'' Creator/PierceBrosnan saved the franchise with his [[Film/Goldeneye first turn as Bond]], and when his films became mediocre (getting fired from the role after ''Die Another Day''), Creator/DanielCraig took over the role and his films steered the franchise in a new direction.

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* Parts of M's speech isn't just about the importance of MI6, it could MI6 and the 00 program, it's also very well be referring to the previous Bond actors.
actors over the franchise's history, which is rather fitting as this film is the 50th anniversary celebration.
** ''"One '''''"One equal temper of heroic hearts"'' hearts"''''' Creator/SeanConnery gave a more heroic portrayal compared to Ian Fleming's depiction [[SociopathicHero depiction]] in the novels, and Creator/GeorgeLazenby gave a previously unseen, very human side of Bond at the end of his [[Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService only film.]]
** ''"Made '''''"Made weak by time"'' time"''''' Creator/RogerMoore planned to quit after his fifth film, feeling that he was getting too old for the role. to play Bond convincingly. However, he was forced stuck to do [[Film/Octopussy the role for [[{{Film/Octopussy}} two]] [[Film/AViewToAKill more]], more]] films, which ended up being the worst in his entire run.
** ''"and fate,"'' '''''"and fate,"''''' Creator/TimothyDalton only got to do [[Film/TheLivingDaylights two]] [[Film/LicenceToKill movies]] movies]], as Bond because the a lawsuit grounded the franchise for 6 years, resulting in Dalton himself resigning from the role.
** ''"but '''''"but strong in will"'' will"''''' Creator/PierceBrosnan saved the franchise with his [[Film/Goldeneye [[{{Film/Goldeneye}} first turn as Bond]], and when his films became mediocre (getting fired from the role after ''Die Another Day''), Creator/DanielCraig took over the role and his films steered the franchise in a new direction.
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** ''One equal temper of heroic hearts'' Creator/SeanConnery gave a more heroic portrayal compared to Ian Fleming's depiction in the novels, and Creator/GeorgeLazenby gave a previously unseen, very human side of Bond at the end of his [[Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService only film.]]
** ''Made weak by time'' Creator/RogerMoore planned to quit after his fifth film, feeling that he was getting too old for the role. However, he was forced to do [[Film/Octopussy two]] [[Film/AViewToAKill more]], which ended up being the worst in his entire run.
** ''and fate,'' Creator/TimothyDalton only got to do [[Film/TheLivingDaylights two]] [[Film/LicenceToKill movies]] as Bond because the lawsuit grounded the franchise for 6 years, resulting in Dalton himself resigning from the role.
** ''but strong in will'' Creator/PierceBrosnan saved the franchise with his [[Film/Goldeneye first turn as Bond]], and when his films became mediocre (getting fired from the role after ''Die Another Day''), Creator/DanielCraig took over the role and steered the franchise in a new direction.

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** ''One ''"One equal temper of heroic hearts'' hearts"'' Creator/SeanConnery gave a more heroic portrayal compared to Ian Fleming's depiction in the novels, and Creator/GeorgeLazenby gave a previously unseen, very human side of Bond at the end of his [[Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService only film.]]
** ''Made ''"Made weak by time'' time"'' Creator/RogerMoore planned to quit after his fifth film, feeling that he was getting too old for the role. However, he was forced to do [[Film/Octopussy two]] [[Film/AViewToAKill more]], which ended up being the worst in his entire run.
** ''and fate,'' ''"and fate,"'' Creator/TimothyDalton only got to do [[Film/TheLivingDaylights two]] [[Film/LicenceToKill movies]] as Bond because the lawsuit grounded the franchise for 6 years, resulting in Dalton himself resigning from the role.
** ''but ''"but strong in will'' will"'' Creator/PierceBrosnan saved the franchise with his [[Film/Goldeneye first turn as Bond]], and when his films became mediocre (getting fired from the role after ''Die Another Day''), Creator/DanielCraig took over the role and his films steered the franchise in a new direction.
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* M's speech isn't just about the importance of MI6, it could also very well be referring to the previous Bond actors.
** ''One equal temper of heroic hearts'' Creator/SeanConnery gave a more heroic portrayal compared to Ian Fleming's depiction in the novels, and Creator/GeorgeLazenby gave a previously unseen, very human side of Bond at the end of his [[Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService only film.]]
** ''Made weak by time'' Creator/RogerMoore planned to quit after his fifth film, feeling that he was getting too old for the role. However, he was forced to do [[Film/Octopussy two]] [[Film/AViewToAKill more]], which ended up being the worst in his entire run.
** ''and fate,'' Creator/TimothyDalton only got to do [[Film/TheLivingDaylights two]] [[Film/LicenceToKill movies]] as Bond because the lawsuit grounded the franchise for 6 years, resulting in Dalton himself resigning from the role.
** ''but strong in will'' Creator/PierceBrosnan saved the franchise with his [[Film/Goldeneye first turn as Bond]], and when his films became mediocre (getting fired from the role after ''Die Another Day''), Creator/DanielCraig took over the role and steered the franchise in a new direction.
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* Much of the dialogue involving Kincade [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall becomes very meta]] when one recalls they originally wanted to have SeanConnery play him. Case in point, his introductory scene:

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* Much of the dialogue involving Kincade [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall becomes very meta]] when one recalls they originally wanted to have SeanConnery Creator/SeanConnery play him. Case in point, his introductory scene:
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* After 20 some Bond films opening with a sniper scope following 007 only for him to shoot the sniper before a shot can be made, a sniper ''finally'' gets one on Bond. ''And it's Moneypenny.''
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** Arguably going back to Q's roots too. During Desmond Llewelyn's first appearance as Q in "From Russia With Love" he just gave bond the attache case with a built in knife, gun, money, and gas bomb. Spartan in comparison to the goodies he would later give to 007.

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** Arguably going back to Q's roots too. During Desmond Llewelyn's first appearance as Q in "From Russia With Love" ''Film/FromRussiaWithLove'' he just gave bond Bond the attache case with a built in knife, gun, built-in throwing knives, .22 sniper rifle, money, and tiny gas bomb. Spartan bombs. Rather spartan in comparison to the goodies he would later give to 007.
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* M's real name, Olivia Mansfield, is actually a practically a traditional Bond Girl name, only [[MeaningfulName meaningful]] instead of [[PunnyName absurd.]] Fitting, as in many ways the film is actually about her.

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* M's real name, Olivia Mansfield, is actually a practically a traditional Bond Girl -esque name, only this time it's [[MeaningfulName meaningful]] instead of [[PunnyName absurd.]] Fitting, as in many ways the film is actually about her.
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* M's real name, Olivia Mansfield, is actually a practically a traditional Bond Girl name, only [[MeaningfulName meaningful]] instead of [[PunnyName absurd.]] Fitting, as in many ways the film is actually about her.
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** This concept is reflected by Q when Bond asks if he can bypass Silva's security protocols: he invented them.

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* At the very end of the movie, Bond says to Eve, "You know, we've never been formally introduced. At which point, she reveals her name is "Eve. Eve Moneypenny". I realize TPTB where keeping the reveal that she was Moneypenny a surprise, but that still means that she and Bond worked together on at least two missions (the one in the opening sequence and the one in Macau), possibly sleeping together during the second one and he ''never'' learned her name? How is that possible? Quite glaring considers she calls him by ''his'' name quite frequently. One can HandWave that he may have never learned her ''last'' name, but to not know her full name at all seems ridiculous and virtually impossible.



* At the very end of the movie, Bond says to Eve, "You know, we've never been formally introduced. At which point, she reveals her name is "Eve. Eve Moneypenny". I realize TPTB where keeping the reveal that she was Moneypenny a surprise, but that still means that she and Bond worked together on at least two missions (the one in the opening sequence and the one in Macau), possibly sleeping together during the second one and he ''never'' learned her name? How is that possible? Quite glaring considers she calls him by ''his'' name quite frequently. One can HandWave that he may have never learned her ''last'' name, but to not know her full name at all seems ridiculous and virtually impossible.
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* At the very end of the movie, Bond says to Eve, "You know, we've never been formally introduced. At which point, she reveals her name is "Eve. Eve Moneypenny". I realize TPTB where keeping the reveal that she was Moneypenny a surprise, but that still means that she and Bond worked together on at least two missions (the one in the opening sequence and the one in Macau), possibly sleeping together during the second one and he ''never'' learned her name? How is that possible? Quite glaring considers she calls him by ''his'' name quite frequently. One can HandWave that he may have never learned her ''last'' name, but to not know her full name at all seems ridiculous and virtually impossible.


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* Moneypenny introduces herself in an inversion of the BondJamesBond trope: "My name's Eve. Eve Moneypenny."
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* When Bond first meets Silva, he reads out the psychological profile on Bond, which indicates "unresolved childhood trauma". At the end of the film, Bond is of sound mind and ready to return to duty. Why? He resolved his childhood trauma, by burning Skyfall to the ground.

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* When Bond first meets Silva, he reads out the psychological profile on Bond, which indicates "unresolved childhood trauma". At the end of the film, Bond is of sound mind and ready to return to duty. Why? He resolved his childhood trauma, by burning Skyfall (which he associates with his parents death) to the ground.
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* When Bond first meets Silva, he reads out the psychological profile on Bond, which indicates "unresolved childhood trauma". At the end of the film, Bond is of sound mind and ready to return to duty. Why? He resolved his childhood trauma, by burning Skyfall to the ground.
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*** [[spoiler:The [[Film/{{Spectre}} following film]] shows that Silva had ties to Spectre, who had a high ranking agent as head of MI5, which then fuses with MI6 after the events of this movie. Blofeld more than likely helped direct Silva's revenge by giving him intelligence that "C" could plausibly gather from standard procedure]].
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** To be fair to Bond's childhood, he does associate this place with the death of his parents, and he spent two days hiding in the priest-hole after he learned of their death. He may have taken their deaths harder than even Kinkaid realized.
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* Near the end, Bond blows up Skyfall, his childhood home. His words before doing so? " I've always hated this place." How awful was Bond's childhood?
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* The introductory scene with Q could be seen as an [[TakeThatAudience attack]] at the people who have been criticizing the Craig films for not having Q's sparkly little gadgets that have become tradition with every passing Bond movie before ''Film/CasinoRoyale''. Beginning with when we find out who Q really is; a young and rather hipstery looking man who doesn't look like he spends much of his time near a piece of technology (and even throws in the obligatory tea reference). And then we find out that the most high-tech gadget in the whole movie is... [[TheUnreveal Bond's gun]] and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a radio]]. Bond's reaction to this seems to mirror the audience's reaction upon seeing the scene in the trailer: "It's not exactly Christmas, is it?!", to which Q correctly points out that the audience has gotten too used to the rather generic action movie feel that the series has taken on since Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice: "Well, what do you expect, an exploding pen?". Essentially, the writers are telling the audience, "You didn't like the gadget-filled ''Film/DieAnotherDay'', yet you're begging for Q and the gadgets. Here you go, here's your stupid quartermaster." And hilariously enough, when the audience sees just how cleverly both gadgets are used, they realize Bond really is a high-tech gadget in and of himself, realizing just how far Bond managed to go in the previous two films.

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* The introductory scene with Q could be seen as an [[TakeThatAudience attack]] at the people who have been criticizing the Craig films for not having Q's sparkly little gadgets that have become tradition with every passing Bond movie before ''Film/CasinoRoyale''.''Film/CasinoRoyale2006''. Beginning with when we find out who Q really is; a young and rather hipstery looking man who doesn't look like he spends much of his time near a piece of technology (and even throws in the obligatory tea reference). And then we find out that the most high-tech gadget in the whole movie is... [[TheUnreveal Bond's gun]] and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking a radio]]. Bond's reaction to this seems to mirror the audience's reaction upon seeing the scene in the trailer: "It's not exactly Christmas, is it?!", to which Q correctly points out that the audience has gotten too used to the rather generic action movie feel that the series has taken on since Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice: "Well, what do you expect, an exploding pen?". Essentially, the writers are telling the audience, "You didn't like the gadget-filled ''Film/DieAnotherDay'', yet you're begging for Q and the gadgets. Here you go, here's your stupid quartermaster." And hilariously enough, when the audience sees just how cleverly both gadgets are used, they realize Bond really is a high-tech gadget in and of himself, realizing just how far Bond managed to go in the previous two films.
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** Arguably going back to Q's roots too. During Desmond Llewelyn's first appearance as Q in "From Russia With Love" he just gave bond the attache case with a built in knife, gun, money, and gas bomb. Spartan in comparison to the goodies he would later give to 007.
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*Look closely at Bond's shooting in the courtroom scene. Yeah, he takes down a couple of guys, but it's not exactly accurate. You'd attribute it to Bond's shoulder issues... until you notice that Bond shoots fast and inaccurately when Mallory's going for a pistol, and again when they're getting M out. He's ''laying down cover fire to suppress Silva''
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**** Which in turn is why Bond & M rabbiting out to Skyfall actually worked (sort of). It was one place where Silva couldn't possibly have any contingency plans in place; even then Silva was able to rustle up two strike teams and a helicopter.

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**** *** Which in turn is why Bond & M rabbiting out to Skyfall actually worked (sort of). It was one place where Silva couldn't possibly have any contingency plans in place; even then place. (Even then, Silva was able to rustle up two strike teams and a helicopter. helicopter in the space of a few hours.)
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*** My impression was that he was just [[CrazyPrepared]]. He didn't expect to be captured but he had a plan just in case; he didn't know M would be in that hearing but he had a network of agents in London in case circumstances brought him there, etc.

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*** My impression was that he was just [[CrazyPrepared]].crazy prepared. He didn't expect to be captured but he had a plan just in case; he didn't know M would be in that hearing but he had a network of agents in London in case circumstances brought him there, etc.
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*** My impression was that he was just [[CrazyPrepared]]. He didn't expect to be captured but he had a plan just in case; he didn't know M would be in that hearing but he had a network of agents in London in case circumstances brought him there, etc.
**** Which in turn is why Bond & M rabbiting out to Skyfall actually worked (sort of). It was one place where Silva couldn't possibly have any contingency plans in place; even then Silva was able to rustle up two strike teams and a helicopter.
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* When Bond first sees the TV news report (from either Wolf Blitzer or Hew Edwards) about the MI6 bombing, the broadcaster says that six people were killed. We immediately cut to MI6, and M is looking at a total of ''eight'' coffins, not six. It looks like a continuity error at first, but in hindsight, you realize that there's no continuity error at all: two critically injured survivors died at the hospital.

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* The ArcWords and message of the film, that sometimes the old ways are best, fall flat as a pancake when you remember Bond fails at everything he tries to achieve during the film, up to and including [[spoiler: saving M from Silva]].



** It's mentioned in the news brief that three out of the five undercover agents have been killed, probably brutally. Silva's trying to rub salt in the wound by forcing M and MI6 to confront publicly fucking over other agents like they fucked him over.

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** It's mentioned in the news brief that three out of the five undercover agents have been killed, probably brutally. Silva's trying to rub salt in the wound by forcing M and MI6 to confront publicly fucking over other agents like they fucked him over.over.
** It is never mentioned what happens to the hard drive and even if we assume they recovered it there is no guarantee that it has remained the only source of that information.

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** No, Kincaide mentions that the house and most of the guns were sold off, which is why they have to do the Home Alone thing

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* Silva's plan to escape custody, as noted in Fridge Logic above, is illogical and impractical and leaves too much to chance. In other words, it's a stereotypical Bond villain plan.
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* It was eventually revealed that the ultimate goal of Silva's machinations was to kill M, at any cost. [[spoiler: Um... does that mean TheBadGuyWins?]]
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* Kind of lapsing into WMG territory, but no one ever explicitly states that Silva was a ''field'' agent. We know from Agent Fields in Quantum of Solace that even people in MI6 office jobs can be called "agents". He can fire a gun and lob some grenades, but he's got mooks to do the really hardcore dirty work, and he even says to Bond that he finds "all this running around, it's ''exhasuting''." It's entirely possible that the 11 years he spent at MI6 were entirely spent in front of a computer. If this is the case, then M sent a man with ''little to no counter-torture training directly into the hands of the Chinese.''

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* Kind of lapsing into WMG territory, but no one ever explicitly states that Silva was a ''field'' agent. We know from Agent Fields in Quantum of Solace that even people in MI6 office jobs can be called "agents". He can fire a gun and lob some grenades, but he's got mooks to do the really hardcore dirty work, and he even says to Bond that he finds "all this running around, it's ''exhasuting''.''exhausting''." It's entirely possible that the 11 years he spent at MI6 were entirely spent in front of a computer. If this is the case, then M sent a man with ''little to no counter-torture training directly into the hands of the Chinese.''



** If you think about it a little bit longer, it becomes even more brillant: The bartender was preparing the martini right in front of Bond, and it is implied he even kept Severine waiting to watch the procedure. What happened the last time Bond was in a casino? Bonds drink was poisoned. Clearly, the man learns from his mistakes.

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** If you think about it a little bit longer, it becomes even more brillant: The bartender was preparing the martini right in front of Bond, and it is implied he even kept Severine waiting to watch the procedure. What happened the last time Bond was in a casino? Bonds Bond's drink was poisoned. Clearly, the man learns from his mistakes.
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* It is explicitly stated that the explosion at MI6 headquarters, done by remotely tampering with various systems including the natural gas lines (not entirely unlike how the narrator's apartment is destroyed in ''FightClub''), ''should'' have been impossible for a variety of reasons. Silva must have had an in on some major work to either build or renovate the headquarters at some point, specifically rigging it so that EverythingIsOnline, even things that had no reason to be. Easiest way to find the back door to a security system? Install it yourself.

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* It is explicitly stated that the explosion at MI6 headquarters, done by remotely tampering with various systems including the natural gas lines (not entirely unlike how the narrator's apartment is destroyed in ''FightClub''), ''Film/FightClub''), ''should'' have been impossible for a variety of reasons. Silva must have had an in on some major work to either build or renovate the headquarters at some point, specifically rigging it so that EverythingIsOnline, even things that had no reason to be. Easiest way to find the back door to a security system? Install it yourself.

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