History Fridge / SilentHillRevelation3D

******* Actually, at least in the version I saw, Christabella only refers to Dahlia as "sister" once, in the flashback where Dark Alessa tells Rose how "the rest of the family" didn't like Alessa. I can see how people could miss it. And this film had a different writer and director from the first one. But I agree that it's not a good thing to ignore.

******* Actually, at least in the version I saw, Christabella only refers to Dahlia as "sister" once, in the flashback where Dark Alessa tells Rose how "the rest of the family" didn't like Alessa. I can see how people could miss it. But I agree that it's not a good thing to ignore.

* Why have Pyramid Head in this movie? Granted that's a complaint you could level at the first movie as well, but it stands out in this one because he's essentially taking Valtiel's role in the story. Silent Hill 3 already had a figure who was meant to protect and safe guard Heather, why replace it with Pyramid Head just to pander to FanService? That and having him be an explicate protector for Heather doesn't make sense when he basically ends up being that lumpy guy from the {{Goonies}}, and no matter how much you want to pull out the "Pyramid Head was helpful in Silent Hill 2" fan theory to justify it, it still doesn't work because in the story of this movie PH is stated to be Heather's guardian dot dot dot and executioner. Apparently they just forgot that little tidbit of justification for his presence and turn the ending into Super Smash Bros the Silent Hill edition and then have good old Trigonometry Face drop off the face of the earth.

****** The same people who made the first one made this one. I do not accept lazyness as an excuse for shit writing.

****** The same people who made the first one made this one. I do not except lazyness as an excuse for shit writing.

** It's for the people that HAVEN'T played the games yet. If they used Vatiel, it wouldn't have made sense to anyone that isn't a huge fan because PH is practically the mascot...and Vatiel was only ever in one game!
*** That's the weakest, most illogical excuse I've ever heard. If you're not a fan of the games, you probably have never heard of Pyramid Head, because it's not like Silent Hill is a immediately recognizable pop-culture phenomenon, like Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street. There's also this thing called dialogue, it's used to explain roles and plot, so explain Valtiel! "Problem" solved! The only people that think Pyramid Head is the mascot are the people that keep shoehorning him in places he doesn't belong!
*** Vincent, Claudia, Douglas, Leonard, The Missionary, and Travis of all people also only appeared in one game, that didn't stop ''them'' from appearing. When the first Silent Hill film was released, Homecoming wasn't made yet, so Pyramid Head also only had one appearance by that point.
*** ''Most'' of the Silent Hill characters only have one game they appear in. And regardless, Revelation is an adaptation of the game that Valtiel appears in! There's absolutely no reason Valtiel couldn't have been in this movie, especially considering that they name drop him a few times, and that there's a couple statues in his likeness.
*** Pyramid Head's inclusion in these films is {{Fanservice}} / PanderingToTheBase, and nothing more. That is a fact.
**** Besides PanderingToTheBase, it's not like Vatiel actually did anything in SH3, appeared for anything more than a minute total, or had any real relevance to the plot anyway, he had very little of a presence at all in the game. It would be painfully easy for even the most devoted fan to not even remember that he was ever even in SH3, or for mistaking him for some other monster if they did. You'd have to look into the backstory of the games pretty extensively to even know what Vatiel's name even IS, not to mention what his purpose was. Besides, the vast majority of who Vatiel is and what he's there for is just fan theory rather than anything explicitly stated. On the other hand, EVERYONE who's ever played the games knows who Pyramid Head is, thus he's a much more logical choice to put in the movie.
***** '''"It's not like Vatiel actually did anything in [=SH3=]"''' Wrong. He was responsible for reviving Heather at the Halo of the Sun symbols.
****** There are no documents during the game or dialog that states that this is what he does when he drags Heather away, This is just one of those baseless fan theories. Besides it's all too easy to avoid dying entirely and thus never even see the scene where Vatiel does this anyway.
***** '''"[...] appeared for anything more than a minute total"''' Wrong. Valtiel shows up several times, he is never far behind Heather when she is in the Otherworld. And as I said, he can sometimes be seen dragging Heather to a nearby Halo of the Sun to revive her.
****** Valtiel appears in only 3 places in the game and only for very brief moments, 10 seconds, 20 at the most, turning a value or something like that, all together he doesn't show up for more than a minute or so.
***** '''"he had very little of a presence at all in the game"''' VERY WRONG. Valtiel ties heavily into Silent Hill's mythology, symbolism and themes; the overall atmosphere of the game would be significantly weakened if he were removed, in the same way Silent Hill 2 would be weakened if you removed Pyramid Head and replaced him with a random generic monster. It is also heavily implied that Valtiel is the one who triggers the transitions to and from the Otherworld.
****** Valtiel doesn't attack Heather, he doesn't interact with her, he isn't mentioned by any of the characters and there's no documents that mention him or his purpose, and implied doesn't mean fact, even if said implication wasn't incredibly vague, (the fact that he appears and turns a value for some reason which is never explained is the only proof of the people that claim that, if you can call that proof at all) thus, he has very little presence. Also, I was only referring to SH3 alone when I said that, not any of the other games or books or anything, and even if I wasn't even with what information actually does exist about him Valtiel would still have very little presence.
***** '''"It would be painfully easy for even the most devoted fan to not even remember that he was ever even in [=SH3=]"''' You would have to be blind to not notice Valtiel, and I'm not being hyperbolic, you literally can't miss him in certain scenes. As for his other appearances, while he's not as in your face as Pyramid Head was, he's certainly not hard to spot. Not to mention that he is literally the first thing you see every time you start the game, in the opening cinematic. I'd really question your "fan devotion" if you didn't notice such an integral part of the mythology; it's like saying you're a huge fan of Franchise/{{Halo}} but having no idea who The Forerunners are.
****** Again, Valtiel only shows up a very small amount of times for only very brief moments, and he doesn't interact with the player in any way. He's not even all that scary, he's just "there". It's easy to forget a creature that only appears briefly and doesn't do anything.
***** '''"[...] or for mistaking him for some other monster if they did"''' I'm not buying that at all, Valtiel is the ONLY monster that doesn't attack you and he's CONSTANTLY watching you, and that's pretty freaking distinct.
****** There are countless other monsters in the series that look quite a bit like Valtiel, the player rarely gets a very good look at him and only for a few seconds, and it also easy to think that he's part of a species of monsters rather than his own distinct character as well, that's what I meant.
***** '''"You'd have to look into the backstory of the games pretty extensively to even know what Vatiel's name even IS, not to mention what his purpose was."''' ...yeah? Same as everything else in this series. Literally everything. Not a particularly strong point against it.
****** That backstory is largely presented in supplmentary materials of dubious canonicity, and there's still very little of it. Pyramid Head also doesn't have that much information about it but it's a wealth of information by comparison. People have been claiming that Valtiel should be there over Pyramid Head, why? What makes him better? Besides, Valtiel DID appear a few times in the movie.
***** '''"the vast majority of who Vatiel is and what he's there for is just fan theory rather than anything explicitly stated."''' COMPLETELY. WRONG. I don't understand this at all, his role is ANYTHING but fan-created. This isn't VideoGame/YumeNikki, there's {{infodump}}s scattered throughout the game that give info on him. Also, this is a complete and total contradiction to what you just said one sentence ago.
****** Again, all of the backstory about Valtiel comes from supplimentary materials of questionable canonicity, the rest is educated guesses by fans at best and outright made up by fans at worst and all of it taken as gospel, like the assumption that he's dragging Heather off to the symbol in order to resurrect her instead of to some messy doom, or that he's this "janitor" or "god's servant" or... in fact, it's much harder to find the things that actually true about the creature than the things that people have just assumed without any actual proof.
***** '''"On the other hand, EVERYONE who's ever played the games knows who Pyramid Head is, thus he's a much more logical choice to put in the movie."''' Yeah and everyone who's ever seen a movie knows who Darth Vader is, clearly this is a good reason for putting him in every scifi movie ever. Doesn't matter if it makes sense or not, he's popular, so [[YouKeepUsingThatWord logic]][[InsaneTrollLogic ally]] we're gonna put him in!
****** NOW you're being hyperbolic, Pyramid Head is a one of Silent Hill's most recognizable icons, thus having him in a Silent Hill movie makes sense, Darth Vader is one of Star Wars most recognizable icons, it would be incredibly stupid to stick him in a bunch of random Sci-fi movies, be ridiculously expensive with no payoff, and would piss off Star Wars fans to no end. Besides, that's what expys are for.
***** You seem to think that Silent Hill is nothing more than cool monsters, you could not be more wrong. Silent Hill's charm has always come from its story and the themes it explores, even the bad games still have a strong emphasis on character and story. Do you really think Silent Hill 2 is as beloved as it is just because Pyramid Head was a cool antagonist? Because that isn't it.
****** The atmosphere is the primary reason why SH2 is beloved, and Pyramid Head is a large part of that. Besides, out of everything Pyramid Head is the thing that that sticks in the heads of players most long after putting SH2 down, and it has kept appearing since then.
***** If you don't care for the story, that's fine, but don't turn Pyramid Head into Jason Voorhees, just go play or watch Franchise/ResidentEvil.
****** The fact that I care for the story both of the games and of the movies is the very reason why I object having some nonthreatening nobody monster thrown in this movie instead of using one of the Silent Hill francise's best, most fleshed out, and most recognizable monsters.

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*** FridgeBrilliance, for people that played SH3, the idea that the creepy guy becoming Heather's love interest is uncomfortable, which is EXACTLY what a horror movie is supposed to invoke in people.

*** We learned that, like the games, people from outside do find their way into the Otherworld. I'd imagine that the Order had adopted a policy of capturing outsiders, tortured them for information about the outside world, and then either forcefully converted or burned them at the stake for heresy. For instance, I'm sure that they now know about FaceBook.

** Cars have also been shown to function perfectly well in the Otherworld. See the first movie's ending, for example. A bigger question would be how Vincent is even remotely able to function in a normal society without appearing like a nutcase -- or indeed why he doesn't react to his new environs with serious awe, considering what he is supposed to be used to.

* If Vincent lived most of his life in the Otherworld of Silent Hill, when did he learn how to drive? Cars have been shown to not function in the Otherworld.

* Why didn't Sharon / Heather use her gun on the mannequin spider?

*** Pyramid Head's inclusion in these films is {{Fanservice}} / PanderingToTheBase, and nothing more. That is a fact.

** That and they end up having Leonard fulfill Vincents role from the games as well. They really screwed over the original roles of the characters from the games in this movie to make an excuse of having Vincent become Heather's teenage love interest for little to no reason or justification, and it comes off as having some UnfortunateImplications for a lot of reasons.
*** First of all, in the games Vincent was an EnsembleDarkhorse and played himself off as a smooth operator with a certain likeable charm to him, but ultimately he filled the role of creepy uncle to Heather that never did anything against her, but she still felt uncomfortable even being in the same room with him because he was just so slimey. It went along with the theme of stalking the game had as a common fear of teenage girls, and twisting a character who was a creeper in the game into the love interest is missing the point to where it becomes uncomfortable.
*** For two, Heather never HAD a love interest in the game. She was an independent female figure who, more or less, relied on herself to overcome the horrors of Silent Hill to accomplish her goal. Men filled an important role in her life, but as a paternal figure to guide her through the confusing time in her life that is being a teenager, not as a cliche protectorate. This really stood out in the realm of female video game heroines, and sticking her with a romance that has very little reason or chemistry kinda diminishes that (though to be fair she never picks up the DamselInDistress ball and had to wait for Jon Snow to come save her, in fact quite the opposite)
*** It's another case of DesignatedLoveInterest! Heather has known Vincent for maybe a day, at most, and know nothing about each other except maybe that they have the whole "the cult of Silent Hill is in our backstory" in common. It's the usual challenge of "name one thing they like to do together/have in common/both like" for shallow love interests that they simply don't pass. And it's inarguable that he's meant to be a love interest since it's basically all but stated to the camera in the ending, especially notable since Harry is abandoning his daughter to the care of this complete stranger he's just met.
**** Simply because they are thrown together to become certified "love interests" does not mean that this is the only option. I think they did this to silence a few naysayers, but they hardly made them fall into each other's arms, or otherwise overtly suggest they were going to marry and live happily ever after. They are kinda free now to choose their own destiny, but what would be the point of separating from the only other person that understands what you've gone to at this point? Why not help each other start over again, at least at the beginning?
***** You're not familiar with the DesignatedLoveInterest trope are you? Because Vincent/Heather is a textbook example.
*** [[KissingCousins They're cousins.]] Kinda squicky.
**** They aren't cousins. The "sister" Claudia was referring to was the villain of the first movie, Christabella-who is NOT related to Heather in any way.
***** Claudia is Christabella's sister, who is Dahlia's sister, who is Alessa's mother, who is Heather. So yeah, cousins.

*** It's for the people that HAVEN'T played the games yet. If they used Vatiel, it wouldn't have made sense to anyone that isn't a huge fan because PH is practically the mascot...and Vatiel was only ever in one game!
**** That's the weakest, most illogical excuse I've ever heard. If you're not a fan of the games, you probably have never heard of Pyramid Head, because it's not like Silent Hill is a immediately recognizable pop-culture phenomenon, like Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street. There's also this thing called dialogue, it's used to explain roles and plot, so explain Valtiel! "Problem" solved! The only people that think Pyramid Head is the mascot are the people that keep shoehorning him in places he doesn't belong!
**** Vincent, Claudia, Douglas, Leonard, The Missionary, and Travis of all people also only appeared in one game, that didn't stop ''them'' from appearing. When the first Silent Hill film was released, Homecoming wasn't made yet, so Pyramid Head also only had one appearance by that point.
**** ''Most'' of the Silent Hill characters only have one game they appear in. And regardless, Revelation is an adaptation of the game that Valtiel appears in! There's absolutely no reason Valtiel couldn't have been in this movie, especially considering that they name drop him a few times, and that there's a couple statues in his likeness.
**** Pyramid Head's inclusion in these films is {{Fanservice}} / PanderingToTheBase, and nothing more. That is a fact.

*** First of all, in the games Vincent was an EnsambleDarkhorse and played himself off as a smooth operator with a certain likeable charm to him, but ultimately he filled the role of creepy uncle to Heather that never did anything against her, but she still felt uncomfortable even being in the same room with him because he was just so slimey. It went along with the theme of stalking the game had as a common fear of teenage girls, and twisting a character who was a creeper in the game into the love interest is missing the point to where it becomes uncomfortable.

** It's for the people that HAVEN'T played the games yet. If they used Vatiel, it wouldn't have made sense to anyone that isn't a huge fan because PH is practically the mascot...and Vatiel was only ever in one game!

* Why have Pyramid Head in this movie? Granted that's a complaint you could level at the first movie as well, but it stands out in this one because he's essentially taking Valtiel's role in the story. Silent Hill 3 already had a figure who was meant to protect and safe guard Heather, why replace it with Pyramid Head just to pander to FanService? That and having him be an explicate protector for Heather doesn't make sense when he basically ends up being that lumpy guy from the {{Goonies}}, and no matter how much you want to pull out the "Pyramid Head was helpful in Silent Hill 2" fan theory to justify it, it still doesn't work because in the story of this movie PH is stated to be Heather's guardian dot dot dot and executioner. Apparently they just forgot that little tidbit of justification for his presence and turn the ending into Super Smash Bros the Silent Hill edition and then have good old Trigonometry Face drop off the face of the earth.

* A behind-the-scenes one. Revelation's Vincent is pretty much VideoGame/SilentHill3's Vincent InNameOnly. He filled what was Douglas' role in the game, which would be fine, except that Douglas is in this movie! [[DeathByAdaptation For a few minutes anyway,]] then he's [[DroppedABridgeOnHim randomly killed by a monster in the elevator]]. Whoever wrote this movie was clearly a fan of the game, so why did they bother to include Douglas at all, only to kill him and then replace him with someone who is essentially an entirely original character?