History Fridge / ShinMegamiTensei

13th Sep '16 12:47:56 PM system
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9th Sep '16 12:55:01 PM Kendall
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* The series-wide interpretation of YHHV, patron of the Law path, actually makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a Japanese perspective. Unlike most Westerners, Japanese individuals have very little truck with Christianity; it is, and has always been, a tiny and easily ignored cult, rather than the huge society shaping element it is in the West. Consequently, a lot of things that Westerners look past due to subconscious indoctrination into the faith is highlit for Japanese due to the ValuesDissonance. Throughout the Old Testament, God demands repeatedly the respect, reverence and worship of humanity, and in it blind obedience to God and his desires is held up as the ideal to which humanity should adhere -- from the Ten Commandments, which place importance on obeying YHHV and doing what he says, to his own admission of being a jealous god. Take, for example, the infamous story of Abraham, one of the tales from the Old Testament that Christians often sweat over and which many atheists and antitheists are quick to call out. In this story, Abraham comes within a heartbeat of cutting his son Isaac's throat and making him a HumanSacrifice, only for YHHV to change his mind at the last second. And the story holds up Abraham's willingness to murder Isaac because that is what God told him as something to respect to admire, that his blind loyalty is a trait one should attempt to emulate in its fervor. In a later story in the Old Testament, YHHV fails to stop a father sacrificing his daughter in thanks for a God-granted victory, as he had promised to do. It's very easy to see why someone not culturally inclined to accept either parable as a holy tale would be able to extrapolate YHHV as the sort of monster who wishes to reduce all of creation to nothing but endless, unceasing, mindless praise of itself.

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* The series-wide interpretation of YHHV, patron of the Law path, actually makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a Japanese perspective. Unlike most Westerners, Japanese individuals have very little truck with Christianity; it is, and has always been, a tiny and easily ignored cult, rather than the huge society shaping element it is in the West. Consequently, a lot of things that Westerners look past due to subconscious indoctrination into the faith is highlit for Japanese due to the ValuesDissonance. Throughout the Old Testament, God demands repeatedly the respect, reverence and worship of humanity, and in it blind obedience to God and his desires is held up as the ideal to which humanity should adhere -- from the Ten Commandments, which place importance on obeying YHHV and doing what he says, to his own admission of being a jealous god. Take, for example, the infamous story of Abraham, one of the tales from the Old Testament that Christians often sweat over and which many atheists and antitheists are quick to call out. In this story, Abraham comes within a heartbeat of cutting his son Isaac's throat and making him a HumanSacrifice, only for YHHV to change his mind at the last second. And the story holds up Abraham's willingness to murder Isaac because that is what God told him as something to respect to admire, that his blind loyalty is a trait one should attempt to emulate in its fervor. In a later story in the Old Testament, YHHV fails to stop a father sacrificing his daughter in thanks for a God-granted victory, as he had promised to do. It's very easy to see why someone not culturally inclined to accept either parable as a holy tale would be able to extrapolate YHHV as the sort of monster who wishes to reduce all of creation to nothing but endless, unceasing, mindless praise of itself.
17th Aug '16 1:22:42 PM SteelEdge
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* The ending of the Law path throughout the series is also a very fitting; although people have been indoctrinated to think that ChaosIsEvil and thusly Order Is Good, the truth is that an extreme of ''either'' would be awful. A world of total order would pretty much require [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill the complete obliteration of independent thought, emotion and chance of all kinds]]. In fact, the Shin Megami Tensei version is actually a pretty ''optimistic'' depiction of what such a world would look like; an alternative interpretation of such a world would basically be a void. Absolute nothingness: no variation, no transformation, no creation, no destruction. Just infinite. Total. Unending. Emptiness.

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* The ending of the Law path throughout the series is also a very fitting; although people have been indoctrinated to think that ChaosIsEvil and thusly Order Is Good, the truth is that an extreme of ''either'' would be awful. A world of total order would pretty much require [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill the complete obliteration of independent thought, emotion and chance of all kinds]]. In fact, the Shin Megami Tensei version is actually a pretty ''optimistic'' depiction of what such a world would look like; an alternative interpretation of such a world would basically be a void. Absolute nothingness: no variation, no transformation, no creation, no destruction. Just infinite. Total. Unending. Emptiness.Emptiness.
* The ending of Persona 2: Innocent Sin, is similar to the plot of Nocturne. In Innocent Sin, [[spoiler: Maya's death triggers the end of the world, and then the four remaining heroes create a new world where everything went well for them.]] In Nocturne, the Conception requires someone with a powerful demonic sponsor, a lot of Magatsuhi, and a Reason. In Innocent Sin, [[spoiler: Philemon was the sponsor, the protagonists produced Magatsuhi from the pain of losing Maya, and their Reason was to make a better world]].
10th Jun '15 12:45:39 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* A common goal of Chaos factions is a world where MightMakesRight, i.e. the strong rule over the weak. Now here's a frightening implication: What if you're handicapped/disabled?

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* A common goal of Chaos factions is a world where MightMakesRight, i.e. the strong rule over the weak. Now here's a frightening implication: What if you're handicapped/disabled?
handicapped/disabled, or worse, born as such? You are ''screwed to begin with.''
10th Jun '15 12:41:12 PM LucaEarlgrey
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\n* A common goal of Chaos factions is a world where MightMakesRight, i.e. the strong rule over the weak. Now here's a frightening implication: What if you're handicapped/disabled?
12th Feb '15 1:15:12 PM WanderingBrowser
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* The series-wide interpretation of YHHV, patron of the Law path, actually makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a Japanese perspective. Unlike most Westerners, Japanese individuals have very little truck with Christianity; it is, and has always been, a tiny and easily ignored cult, rather than the huge society shaping element it is in the West. Consequently, a lot of things that Westerners look past due to subconscious indoctrination into the faith is highlit for Japanese due to the ValuesDissonance. Throughout the Old Testament, God demands repeatedly the respect, reverence and worship of humanity, and it blind obedience to God and his desires is held up as the ideal to which humanity should adhere -- from the Ten Commandments, which place importance on obeying YHHV and doing what he says, to his own admission of being a jealous god. Take, for example, the infamous story of Abraham, one of the tales from the Old Testament that Christians often sweat over and which many atheists and antitheists are quick to call out. In this story, Abraham comes within a heartbeat of cutting his son Isaac's throat and making him a HumanSacrifice, only for YHHV to change his mind at the last second. And the story holds up Abraham's willingness to murder Isaac because that is what God told him as something to respect to admire, that his blind loyalty is a trait one should attempt to emulate in its fervor. It's very easy to see why someone not culturally inclined to accept that parable as a holy tale would be able to extrapolate YHHV as the sort of monster who wishes to reduce all of creation to nothing but endless, unceasing, empty praise of itself.

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* The series-wide interpretation of YHHV, patron of the Law path, actually makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a Japanese perspective. Unlike most Westerners, Japanese individuals have very little truck with Christianity; it is, and has always been, a tiny and easily ignored cult, rather than the huge society shaping element it is in the West. Consequently, a lot of things that Westerners look past due to subconscious indoctrination into the faith is highlit for Japanese due to the ValuesDissonance. Throughout the Old Testament, God demands repeatedly the respect, reverence and worship of humanity, and in it blind obedience to God and his desires is held up as the ideal to which humanity should adhere -- from the Ten Commandments, which place importance on obeying YHHV and doing what he says, to his own admission of being a jealous god. Take, for example, the infamous story of Abraham, one of the tales from the Old Testament that Christians often sweat over and which many atheists and antitheists are quick to call out. In this story, Abraham comes within a heartbeat of cutting his son Isaac's throat and making him a HumanSacrifice, only for YHHV to change his mind at the last second. And the story holds up Abraham's willingness to murder Isaac because that is what God told him as something to respect to admire, that his blind loyalty is a trait one should attempt to emulate in its fervor. In a later story in the Old Testament, YHHV fails to stop a father sacrificing his daughter in thanks for a God-granted victory, as he had promised to do. It's very easy to see why someone not culturally inclined to accept that either parable as a holy tale would be able to extrapolate YHHV as the sort of monster who wishes to reduce all of creation to nothing but endless, unceasing, empty mindless praise of itself.itself.
* The ending of the Law path throughout the series is also a very fitting; although people have been indoctrinated to think that ChaosIsEvil and thusly Order Is Good, the truth is that an extreme of ''either'' would be awful. A world of total order would pretty much require [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill the complete obliteration of independent thought, emotion and chance of all kinds]]. In fact, the Shin Megami Tensei version is actually a pretty ''optimistic'' depiction of what such a world would look like; an alternative interpretation of such a world would basically be a void. Absolute nothingness: no variation, no transformation, no creation, no destruction. Just infinite. Total. Unending. Emptiness.
22nd Aug '14 3:09:19 PM WanderingBrowser
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*** Second, he's faceless. In the Bible, Melchizedek is described as "without father, without mother and without genealogy".

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*** Second, he's faceless. In the Bible, Melchizedek is described as "without father, without mother and without genealogy".genealogy".
* The series-wide interpretation of YHHV, patron of the Law path, actually makes a lot of sense if you look at it from a Japanese perspective. Unlike most Westerners, Japanese individuals have very little truck with Christianity; it is, and has always been, a tiny and easily ignored cult, rather than the huge society shaping element it is in the West. Consequently, a lot of things that Westerners look past due to subconscious indoctrination into the faith is highlit for Japanese due to the ValuesDissonance. Throughout the Old Testament, God demands repeatedly the respect, reverence and worship of humanity, and it blind obedience to God and his desires is held up as the ideal to which humanity should adhere -- from the Ten Commandments, which place importance on obeying YHHV and doing what he says, to his own admission of being a jealous god. Take, for example, the infamous story of Abraham, one of the tales from the Old Testament that Christians often sweat over and which many atheists and antitheists are quick to call out. In this story, Abraham comes within a heartbeat of cutting his son Isaac's throat and making him a HumanSacrifice, only for YHHV to change his mind at the last second. And the story holds up Abraham's willingness to murder Isaac because that is what God told him as something to respect to admire, that his blind loyalty is a trait one should attempt to emulate in its fervor. It's very easy to see why someone not culturally inclined to accept that parable as a holy tale would be able to extrapolate YHHV as the sort of monster who wishes to reduce all of creation to nothing but endless, unceasing, empty praise of itself.
11th May '14 10:18:51 AM finalsurvivor1
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\n** [[spoiler:On the other hand, if Mastema is telling the truth in the Clipped Wings DLC, there is hope for God.]]

7th May '14 8:01:25 PM TVRulezAgain
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* In Shin Megami Tensei IV,[[spoiler: at the end of the the Law Route, [[MoralEventHorizon you commit the same crime of genocide as YHVH had you do]] in the same route in SMT 2!]] Let that sink for a moment... If that wasn't bad enough, get this; [[spoiler: by destroying Tokyo, you also kill the [[HopeBringer Goddess of Tokyo]] herself]]! Damn, [[spoiler:even the Archangels think that ''hope'' is nothing but filth...]] It doesn't matter how one sugarcoats it, [[spoiler: all this proves just how much of a [[CompleteMonster depraved fuck]] [[GodIsEvil The God the Archangels serve]] is to [[ItsAllAboutMe get his way]] ]].


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* In Shin Megami Tensei IV,[[spoiler: at the end of the the Law Route, [[MoralEventHorizon you commit the same crime of genocide as YHVH had you do]] in the same route in SMT 2!]] Let that sink for a moment... If that wasn't bad enough, get this; [[spoiler: by destroying Tokyo, you also kill the [[HopeBringer Goddess of Tokyo]] herself]]! Damn, [[spoiler:even the Archangels think that ''hope'' is nothing but filth...]] It doesn't matter how one sugarcoats it, [[spoiler: all this proves just how much of a [[CompleteMonster depraved fuck]] fuck [[GodIsEvil The God the Archangels serve]] is to [[ItsAllAboutMe get his way]] ]].

2nd May '14 4:51:13 PM Juste_Morai
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* In Shin Megami Tensei IV,[[spoiler: at the end of the the Law Route, [[MoralEventHorizon you commit the same crime of genocide as YHVH had you do]] in the same route in SMT 2!]] Let that sink for a moment... If that wasn't bad enough, get this; [[spoiler: by destroying Tokyo, you also kill the [[HopeBringer Goddess of Tokyo]] herself]]! Damn, [[spoiler:even the angels think that ''hope'' is nothing but filth...]] It doesn't matter how one sugarcoats it, [[spoiler: all this proves just how much of a [[CompleteMonster depraved fuck]] [[GodIsEvil God]] will be to [[ItsAllAboutMe get his way]] ]].


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* In Shin Megami Tensei IV,[[spoiler: at the end of the the Law Route, [[MoralEventHorizon you commit the same crime of genocide as YHVH had you do]] in the same route in SMT 2!]] Let that sink for a moment... If that wasn't bad enough, get this; [[spoiler: by destroying Tokyo, you also kill the [[HopeBringer Goddess of Tokyo]] herself]]! Damn, [[spoiler:even the angels Archangels think that ''hope'' is nothing but filth...]] It doesn't matter how one sugarcoats it, [[spoiler: all this proves just how much of a [[CompleteMonster depraved fuck]] [[GodIsEvil God]] will be The God the Archangels serve]] is to [[ItsAllAboutMe get his way]] ]].

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