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15th Jan '16 8:41:57 PM theloopweaver
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* I for a long while opted to consider Lizzie's remark about realizing she loves Mr. Darcy when she saw his estate as a joke intended to dodge the question, but actually, it had some truth in it. What she saw there and what impressed him was not the financial value of the place, but its ''state'': it was well-kept, well-organized, with the servants happy and gushing about their master. Servants who have known both Darcy and Wickam way longer than Lizzie has. While not a LoveEpiphany, this ''was'' the point she realized she gave credit to the wrong person and should have believed and trusted Darcy instead!

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* I for a long while opted to consider Lizzie's remark about realizing she loves Mr. Darcy when she saw his estate as a joke intended to dodge the question, but actually, it had some truth in it. What she saw there and what impressed him was not the financial value of the place, but its ''state'': it was well-kept, well-organized, with the servants happy and gushing about their master. Servants who have known both Darcy and Wickam way longer than Lizzie has. While not a LoveEpiphany, this ''was'' the point she realized she gave credit to the wrong person and should have believed and trusted Darcy instead!instead!
** Not to mention, Pemberley shows how Darcy is not his aunt. Everything is done with better taste there than at Rosings, and without making an excessive point about it. Lady Catherine practically makes it her business to be a RichBitch just because she can; Darcy spends some time there but figures out he was pushing TookALevelInJerkass territory while he could still backtrack. (He more or less admits this to Lizzy at the end.)
10th Jan '16 7:09:10 PM lihtox
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** And while one can make fun at her obsession with marrying off her daughters, that is her JOB. She's pretty good at it too: when Mr. Bennet reads the letter from Mr. Collins she immediately realizes that he plans to marry one of her daughters, while the others only figure it out later. Worse still, Mrs. Bennet might blame herself for only having had daughters, or for not being able to bear a sixth child. Her desperation and nervousness in the book may be due to a sense of overwhelming guilt or shame. I have come to have a lot of sympathy for Mrs. Bennet, and am glad that she gets her happy ending too.
3rd Dec '15 3:31:35 AM seldarius
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**If you consider Lydia's situation there is plenty of reason to feel sorry for the girl. She is 16 when she runs away with Wickham, obviously not particularly clever (she is described as a silly girl with not much in her head other than partying, men and fashion) and both her parents have failed to give her any proper education or understanding. Her father doesn't pay much attention to her, he rather ships her off to Brighton than deal with her getting on his nerves, and her mother spoils her and is obsessed with getting the girls married. So when she throws herself at a handsome young man with charme and a decent position she is pretty much doing exactly what she has been taught to do, while being incapable of grasping the impact of her decision. From today's perspective it is madness that a teenager would be considered so tainted by eloping with her first crush that she will drag her whole family down unless she marries him. And Jane Austen herself, though much more familiar with those social expectations, points out the craziness and inevitability of the situation ("And they must marry! Yet he is such a man!"). So, thanks to Darcy's meddling to save Elisabeth, (not entirely selfless as he admits himself, as his chances to marry her depend on her being "untainted" by her sister's behaviour,) Lydia ends up in a loveless marriage with a bad man and shunned by her own family. Not exactly a happy ending.
23rd Oct '15 9:53:19 PM akanesarumara
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* Part of the problem for the Bennetts is that England is a Protestant country. In Spain or Italy or Austria, a similarly-situated family (gentry/minor nobility with too many daughters), at least one of the girls would have become a nun. Mary, for example, would have done well in a convent--she would have played the organ in the chapel, taught in the girls' school, and generally been very busy and happy.

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* Part of the problem for the Bennetts is that England is a Protestant country. In Spain or Italy or Austria, a similarly-situated family (gentry/minor nobility with too many daughters), at least one of the girls would have become a nun. Mary, for example, would have done well in a convent--she would have played the organ in the chapel, taught in the girls' school, and generally been very busy and happy.happy.
* I for a long while opted to consider Lizzie's remark about realizing she loves Mr. Darcy when she saw his estate as a joke intended to dodge the question, but actually, it had some truth in it. What she saw there and what impressed him was not the financial value of the place, but its ''state'': it was well-kept, well-organized, with the servants happy and gushing about their master. Servants who have known both Darcy and Wickam way longer than Lizzie has. While not a LoveEpiphany, this ''was'' the point she realized she gave credit to the wrong person and should have believed and trusted Darcy instead!
16th Oct '15 2:01:00 AM NozzDogg
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** One fanfiction proposed a very believable theory on the eldest Bennets' quality; the Gardiners used to take them in regularl. They were unable to take the younger sisters as they began to gain their own tribe of children. This also explains the particular closeness of Elizabeth and her aunt; Mrs Gardiner was a surrogate mother figure to her, as Mrs Bennet never truly favoured her.

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** One fanfiction proposed a very believable theory on the eldest Bennets' quality; the Gardiners used to take them in regularl.regularly. They were unable to take the younger sisters as they began to gain their own tribe of children. This also explains the particular closeness of Elizabeth and her aunt; Mrs Gardiner was a surrogate mother figure to her, as Mrs Bennet never truly favoured her.
16th Oct '15 2:00:23 AM NozzDogg
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** One fanfiction proposed a very believable theory on the eldest Bennets' quality; the Gardiners used to take them in regularl. They were unable to take the younger sisters as they began to gain their own tribe of children. This also explains the particular closeness of Elizabeth and her aunt; Mrs Gardiner was a surrogate mother figure to her, as Mrs Bennet never truly favoured her.
1st Sep '15 7:31:13 AM Elkhound
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* I'd sometimes wonder how there can be such a huge gap between the two oldest Bennet sisters and their younger siblings in terms of common sense and intelligence. Maybe it's because when Jane and Lizzy were growing up, the (generally) sensible Mr. Bennet was still in love with his wife and attentive to his family. Whereas by the time Kitty and Lydia were big enough to be educated, he had grown disillusioned with his married life and become the reclusive DeadpanSnarker that we know, who took little account of how his tiresome wife dealt with the youngest children.

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* I'd sometimes wonder how there can be such a huge gap between the two oldest Bennet sisters and their younger siblings in terms of common sense and intelligence. Maybe it's because when Jane and Lizzy were growing up, the (generally) sensible Mr. Bennet was still in love with his wife and attentive to his family. Whereas by the time Kitty and Lydia were big enough to be educated, he had grown disillusioned with his married life and become the reclusive DeadpanSnarker that we know, who took little account of how his tiresome wife dealt with the youngest children.children.
* Part of the problem for the Bennetts is that England is a Protestant country. In Spain or Italy or Austria, a similarly-situated family (gentry/minor nobility with too many daughters), at least one of the girls would have become a nun. Mary, for example, would have done well in a convent--she would have played the organ in the chapel, taught in the girls' school, and generally been very busy and happy.
29th Jun '15 3:28:46 PM bombadilla
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* Ever wondered how there can be such a huge gap between the two oldest Bennet sisters and their younger siblings in terms of common sense and intelligence? Maybe it's because when Jane and Lizzy were growing up, the (generally) sensible Mr. Bennet was still in love with his wife and attentive to his family. Whereas by the time Kitty and Lydia were big enough to be educated, he had grown disillusioned with his married life and become the reclusive DeadpanSnarker that we know, who took little account of how his tiresome wife dealt with the youngest children.

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* Ever wondered I'd sometimes wonder how there can be such a huge gap between the two oldest Bennet sisters and their younger siblings in terms of common sense and intelligence? intelligence. Maybe it's because when Jane and Lizzy were growing up, the (generally) sensible Mr. Bennet was still in love with his wife and attentive to his family. Whereas by the time Kitty and Lydia were big enough to be educated, he had grown disillusioned with his married life and become the reclusive DeadpanSnarker that we know, who took little account of how his tiresome wife dealt with the youngest children.
14th Mar '15 11:14:58 AM bombadilla
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* Ever wondered how there can be such a huge gap between the two oldest Bennet sisters and their younger siblings in terms of sensibility and intelligence? Maybe it's because when Jane and Lizzy were growing up, the (generally) sensible Mr. Bennet was still in love with his wife and attentive to his family. Whereas by the time Kitty and Lydia were big enough to be educated, he had grown disillusioned with his married life and become the reclusive DeadpanSnarker that we know, who took little account of how his tiresome wife dealt with the youngest children.

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* Ever wondered how there can be such a huge gap between the two oldest Bennet sisters and their younger siblings in terms of sensibility common sense and intelligence? Maybe it's because when Jane and Lizzy were growing up, the (generally) sensible Mr. Bennet was still in love with his wife and attentive to his family. Whereas by the time Kitty and Lydia were big enough to be educated, he had grown disillusioned with his married life and become the reclusive DeadpanSnarker that we know, who took little account of how his tiresome wife dealt with the youngest children.
14th Mar '15 11:14:28 AM bombadilla
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* Ever wondered how can there be such a huge gap between the two oldest Bennet sisters and their younger siblings in terms of sensibility and manners? Maybe it's because when Jane and Lizzy were growing up, the (generally) sensible Mr. Bennet was still in love with his wife and attentive to his family. Whereas by the time Kitty and Lydia were big enough to be educated, he had grown disillusioned with his married life and become the reclusive DeadpanSnarker that we know, who took little account of how his tiresome wife dealt with the youngest children.

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* Ever wondered how can there can be such a huge gap between the two oldest Bennet sisters and their younger siblings in terms of sensibility and manners? intelligence? Maybe it's because when Jane and Lizzy were growing up, the (generally) sensible Mr. Bennet was still in love with his wife and attentive to his family. Whereas by the time Kitty and Lydia were big enough to be educated, he had grown disillusioned with his married life and become the reclusive DeadpanSnarker that we know, who took little account of how his tiresome wife dealt with the youngest children.
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