History Fridge / PokemonBlackAndWhite

22nd Feb '17 9:49:40 AM CJCroen1393
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** Ho-oh has Regenerator. It "regenerated" the legendary beasts from death.

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** Ho-oh has Regenerator. It "regenerated" the legendary beasts from death. Additionally, Ho-oh is a phoenix and phoenixes are famous for their ability to revive themselves from the dead.
22nd Feb '17 8:27:15 AM CJCroen1393
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** [[NatureIsNotNice Welcome to nature]].
4th Jan '17 2:47:12 PM DarkHunter
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** Something else about Ghetsis's team: it is tailored near-perfectly to wipe the floor with N's team. He has multiple counters set up against Reshiram/Zekrom, and every single one of N's other Pokemon fares little better with their matchups. Ghetsis was ''planning'' on N either betraying him, or just taking out N once he'd gotten what he needed out of the kid.

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** Something else about Ghetsis's team: it is tailored near-perfectly to wipe the floor with N's team. He has multiple counters set up against Reshiram/Zekrom, and every single one of N's other Pokemon fares little better with their matchups. Ghetsis was ''planning'' on N either N betraying him, or just taking out N once he'd gotten what he needed out of the kid.
4th Jan '17 2:43:41 PM DarkHunter
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** Something else about Ghetsis's team: it is tailored near-perfectly to wipe the floor with N's team. He has multiple counters set up against Reshiram/Zekrom, and every single one of N's other Pokemon fares little better with their matchups. Ghetsis was ''planning'' on N either betraying him, or just taking out N once he'd gotten what he needed out of the kid.
18th Dec '16 3:37:23 PM CJCroen1393
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* N's Archeops with Acrobatics almost certainly wiped out Marshal's team when facing off against the Elite Four.

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* Two members of N's party were more than capable of taking down the Elite Four; his Archeops with the Flying-type move Acrobatics almost certainly wiped out Marshal's team when facing off against the Elite Four.Fighting-types, Dark-type Zoroark would have easily taken down Caitlin's Psychic-types and Shauntal's Ghost-types with Dark-type moves and Grimsley's Dark-types its Fighting-type Focus Blast.
5th Dec '16 5:04:41 PM Luigifan
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* Approaching the Giant Chasm is stated on the Town Map to bring disaster. The route leading up to it is Route 13; an unlucky number indeed, but not the real brilliance. One of the Pokemon that appears on the route is Absol, the Disaster Pokemon.

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* Approaching the Giant Chasm is stated on the Town Map to bring disaster. The route leading up to it is Route 13; an unlucky number indeed, but not the real brilliance. One of the Pokemon Pokémon that appears on the route is Absol, the Disaster Pokemon.Pokémon.



* Unova's Victory Road is a tall, dome-shaped hill pockmarked with a multitude of random entrance/exit holes that lead to a vast network of caverns. While you'll find the typical Rock-types and bat Pokemon inside, the most common wild Pokemon nesting in the cave is the Bug/Steel hybrid, Durant. Outside, your most common opponent is the fiery anteater, Heatmor (Durant's natural predator). Victory Road is a giant termite mound appropriated by the Pokemon League as their "final gauntlet" for prospective challengers.
** That explains the landslides that made it inaccessible in Black and White 2: It eventually became unstable due to the incressing amount of tunnels and trainers traversing the place!
* Inside Giant Chasm, from the top it appears that the area is enshrouded in thick fog. Because of the snow that falls, it can also be seen as snow clouds, not just fog. But taking it a step further, both mascot legendary Pokemon show that they can evaporate water, and thus melt ice. So now we have a reference to Kyurem being a part of the trio, the clouds are made of water that was once ice, which was melted!

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* Unova's Victory Road is a tall, dome-shaped hill pockmarked with a multitude of random entrance/exit holes that lead to a vast network of caverns. While you'll find the typical Rock-types and bat Pokemon Pokémon inside, the most common wild Pokemon Pokémon nesting in the cave is the Bug/Steel hybrid, Durant. Outside, your most common opponent is the fiery anteater, Heatmor (Durant's natural predator). Victory Road is a giant termite mound appropriated by the Pokemon Pokémon League as their "final gauntlet" for prospective challengers.
** That explains the landslides that made it inaccessible in Black and White 2: It eventually became unstable due to the incressing increasing amount of tunnels and trainers traversing the place!
* Inside Giant Chasm, from the top it appears that the area is enshrouded in thick fog. Because of the snow that falls, it can also be seen as snow clouds, not just fog. But taking it a step further, both mascot legendary Pokemon Pokémon show that they can evaporate water, and thus melt ice. So now we have a reference to Kyurem being a part of the trio, the clouds are made of water that was once ice, which was melted!



** Being Egyptian I also have some inside information. The ancient Egyptians also had a god named Sobek. What did he look like, you ask? A crocodile.

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** Being Egyptian Egyptian, I also have some inside information. The ancient Egyptians also had a god named Sobek. What did he look like, you ask? A crocodile.



* While playing through the Desert Resort, I noticed that, instead of just not being allowed into the deep sand like HG/SS/D/P/Pt's tall grass and marsh tiles, the bicycle runs very slowly when running through it. For awhile I passed this off as another style of deterrent, but, while hunting for Sigilyph, it struck me: running through sand is the fastest, walking gives you normal speed, and biking is almost unbearably slow-- what's faster, walking normally or walking a bike? (There's no sprite change to back this up, but I'm going with it!)

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* While playing through the Desert Resort, I noticed that, instead of just not being allowed into the deep sand like HG/SS/D/P/Pt's tall grass and marsh tiles, the bicycle runs very slowly when running through it. For awhile awhile, I passed this off as another style of deterrent, but, while hunting for Sigilyph, it struck me: running through sand is the fastest, walking gives you normal speed, and biking is almost unbearably slow-- slow -- what's faster, walking normally or walking a bike? (There's no sprite change to back this up, but I'm going with it!)



*** Not necessarily slower, really. Just don't try to turn unless you enjoy falling.



* It's been mentioned on other pages that Cheren is said to be a strong trainer while Bianca is a weak one, despite her team being objectively better than his. The thing is that the producers are going back to Karen's speech back in the Johto games -- a truly skilled trainer tries to win with their favorites. So basically, Cheren does so well not because of the stats and moves of his team, but because he has faith in them and believes in them, even pre-character development (he just gets his priorities straight after that point). The makers are just subtly reinforcing that idea that you can be a good trainer without using all the same Pokemon everyone else does.
** Except Bianca clearly adores her Munna/Musharna and her Pokemon all reach maximum happiness, so she's the nurturer of the two.

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* It's been mentioned on other pages that Cheren is said to be a strong trainer while Bianca is a weak one, despite her team being objectively better than his. The thing is that the producers are going back to Karen's speech back in the Johto games -- a truly skilled trainer tries to win with their favorites. So basically, Cheren does so well not because of the stats and moves of his team, but because he has faith in them and believes in them, even pre-character development (he just gets his priorities straight after that point). The makers are just subtly reinforcing that idea that you can be a good trainer without using all the same Pokemon Pokémon everyone else does.
** Except Bianca clearly adores her Munna/Musharna and her Pokemon Pokémon all reach maximum happiness, so she's the nurturer of the two.



** It could also be argued that Cheren does so well because he has goals and strives toward them. Bianca doesn't, so her Pokemon don't get enormously better each time you see her because she isn't pushing them to become better.

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** It could also be argued that Cheren does so well because he has goals and strives toward them. Bianca doesn't, so her Pokemon Pokémon don't get enormously better each time you see her because she isn't pushing them to become better.



* All of Bianca's Pokemon know Return in the rematches you have with her. Return grows more powerful the happier a Pokemon is. This means all her Pokemon love her very much. D'awww.
* The elemental monkeys' names already made sense, but Pansear's is especially apt, considering the first place you're likely to see/use it-- the Striation Gym, which doubles as a restaurant. What do you want to bet that Chili is an expert at pan-searing entrees?

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* All of Bianca's Pokemon Pokémon know Return in the rematches you have with her. Return grows more powerful the happier a Pokemon Pokémon is. This means all her Pokemon Pokémon love her very much. D'awww.
* The elemental monkeys' names already made sense, but Pansear's is especially apt, considering the first place you're likely to see/use it-- it -- the Striation Gym, which doubles as a restaurant. What do you want to bet that Chili is an expert at pan-searing entrees?



* It's generally accepted in the Nuzlocke community that Unova is essentially the Hardest Nuzlocke Run attemptable. It turns out that the StrawmanHasAPoint: In a setting where your Pokemon can die in combat, Team Plasma's mission statement becomes a lot stronger, regardless of Ghetsis not really believing it. A Nuzlocke run completely goes against the narrative, and as a nice coincidence, it's incredibly hard to pull off the challenge. Hell, most people who attempt a Unova Run typically die out before they can see that Ghetsis admits he doesn't believe Team Plasma's goal, so in the narrative of your challenge, your character is flatout wrong. Of course, actually finishing a Nuzlocke run in Unova makes it that much more satisfying to prove Team Plasma wrong.
* A Team Plasma grunt tells you that Team Rocket and Team Galactic were defeated because they drew too much attention to themselves (paraphrasing since I don't remember the actual quote). Team Plasma isn't fully defeated until [[spoiler: N raises the castle, drawing the attention of everyone to them.]]

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* It's generally accepted in the Nuzlocke community that Unova is essentially the Hardest Nuzlocke Run attemptable. It turns out that the StrawmanHasAPoint: In a setting where your Pokemon Pokémon can die in combat, Team Plasma's mission statement becomes a lot stronger, regardless of Ghetsis not really believing it. A Nuzlocke run completely goes against the narrative, and as a nice coincidence, it's incredibly hard to pull off the challenge. Hell, most people who attempt a Unova Run typically die out before they can see that Ghetsis admits he doesn't believe Team Plasma's goal, so in the narrative of your challenge, your character is flatout flat-out wrong. Of course, actually finishing a Nuzlocke run in Unova makes it that much more satisfying to prove Team Plasma wrong.
* A Team Plasma grunt tells you that Team Rocket and Team Galactic were defeated because they drew too much attention to themselves (paraphrasing since I don't remember the actual quote). Team Plasma isn't fully defeated until [[spoiler: N [[spoiler:N raises the castle, drawing the attention of everyone to them.]]



** Another possible reason for not mentioning them is that Teams Magma and Aqua weren't [[WellIntentionedExtremist actively being criminals]] - their leaders, at least, genuinely thought their goals would help society, and they repented once they realized that they'd gone too far.
* Have you ever wondered why the incense dealer in Driftveil City is still wearing his Team Plasma uniform? [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity Well how likely would you have noticed him if he was dressed like an ordinary civilian?]]

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** Another possible reason for not mentioning them is that Teams Magma and Aqua weren't [[WellIntentionedExtremist actively being criminals]] - -- their leaders, at least, genuinely thought their goals would help society, and they repented once they realized that they'd gone too far.
* Have you ever wondered why the incense dealer in Driftveil City is still wearing his Team Plasma uniform? [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity Well Well, how likely would you have noticed him if he was dressed like an ordinary civilian?]]



* N's final team (minus his dragon) is heavily implied to be his childhood friends. Keep in mind that these include either Pokemon you can't get in the wild (Zoroark because it requires an event, Carracosta and Archeops are fossils that need to be revived) or generally urban Pokemon (Vanilluxe's first form appears to be farmed for Castelia Cones, and Klinklang is a system of gears). Given N's sheltered upbringing, it would make sense for these to be a part of his main team.
* In the OST, the theme that plays when N appears is called 'The Equated Captives'. When this troper first read that, before I finished the game, I assumed it was a reference to the way N equates all Pokémon as being captives of trainers. But on checking the OST again after finishing it, it became obvious: [[spoiler:the 'equated captive' is N himself! He was kept captive in his room by his father, in order to satisfy an equation for power he had worked out! To drive the idea home, a remix of the theme - 'The Child Of Pokémon, N' -- plays when you visit the room in which he was held captive! This makes even more sense in Japanese -- the language doesn't designate plurals, so you'd go through the game reading the title as 'The Equated Captives', until you reached the end and realized that it was actually 'The Equated Captive', singular!]] - Tropers/ClockStopping

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* N's final team (minus his dragon) is heavily implied to be his childhood friends. Keep in mind that these include either Pokemon Pokémon you can't get in the wild (Zoroark because it requires an event, Carracosta and Archeops are fossils that need to be revived) or generally urban Pokemon (Vanilluxe's first form appears to be farmed for Castelia Cones, and Klinklang is a system of gears). Given N's sheltered upbringing, it would make sense for these to be a part of his main team.
* In the OST, the theme that plays when N appears is called 'The Equated Captives'. When this troper first read that, before I finished the game, I assumed it was a reference to the way N equates all Pokémon as being captives of trainers. But on checking the OST again after finishing it, it became obvious: [[spoiler:the 'equated captive' is N himself! He was kept captive in his room by his father, in order to satisfy an equation for power he had worked out! To drive the idea home, a remix of the theme - -- 'The Child Of Pokémon, N' -- plays when you visit the room in which he was held captive! This makes even more sense in Japanese -- the language doesn't designate plurals, so you'd go through the game reading the title as 'The Equated Captives', until you reached the end and realized that it was actually 'The Equated Captive', singular!]] - Tropers/ClockStopping



* N throughout the game goes from polite (though somewhat creepy) to increasingly confrontational and belligerent. It wasn't until beating him for the final time and reading the text that this troper realized: N believes that all Trainers abuse Pokemon and that Pokemon would be happier being free. But all he's encountered since he started travelling was Trainers and Pokemon getting along. He's been suffering from a VillainousBreakdown throughout the game!

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* N throughout the game goes from polite (though somewhat creepy) to increasingly confrontational and belligerent. It wasn't until beating him for the final time and reading the text that this troper realized: N believes that all Trainers abuse Pokemon Pokémon and that Pokemon Pokémon would be happier being free. But all he's encountered since he started travelling was Trainers and Pokemon Pokémon getting along. He's been suffering from a VillainousBreakdown throughout the game!



* A lot of people theorize N's use of new Pokemon each time you see him as part of him "playing" a Nuzlocke, even going so far as saying that the N in his name even stands for Nuzlocke. At first, I figured this was total garbage. A Nuzlocke is a self-imposed challenge where you have to catch the first Pokemon you run into in every route, and a Pokemon dies if it faints. Why would N, who cares deeply for Pokemon and even believes capturing them is evil, adopt the idea that fainting equals dying just for the challenge and thrill? But then I realized that a Nuzlocke would seem totally different if viewed in the context of the Pokemon world. Pokemon don't actually die in Nuzlockes, and instead players usually release them when they faint. This, combined with the nicknames and the fact that players can't play favorites with wild Pokemon translates to a trainer in-game who doesn't base which Pokemon they use on skill or personal preference, nicknames all their Pokemon to grow closer to them, and holds themselves to a code of honor where, if they allow one of their Pokemon to faint even once, THEY WILL RELEASE IT BACK INTO THE WILD IMMEDIATELY AND NEVER FORCE IT TO BATTLE AGAIN. While it's highly unlikely that the developers intentionally based N's battles around the concept of Nuzlocke runs, this sort of mentality doesn't sound too out of character for N.
** Calling what he's doing a Nuzlocke run is still a case of CowboyBebopAtHisComputer--The other main rule of Nuzlockes is that you can only catch the first Pokemon you encounter on a route--if you knock it out or don't like it, tough luck. N uses teams of nearly every Pokemon that can be commonly found on the nearby route(s), breaking this rule from the word go. The "refuse to let a Pokemon faint more than once" mentality is still valid for N, it's just more akin to a standard Permadeath(which lacks the capture restrictions) than a full blown Nuzlocke.

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* A lot of people theorize N's use of new Pokemon Pokémon each time you see him as part of him "playing" a Nuzlocke, even going so far as saying that the N in his name even stands for Nuzlocke. At first, I figured this was total garbage. A Nuzlocke is a self-imposed challenge where you have to catch the first Pokemon Pokémon you run into in every route, and a Pokemon Pokémon dies if it faints. Why would N, who cares deeply for Pokemon Pokémon and even believes capturing them is evil, adopt the idea that fainting equals dying just for the challenge and thrill? But then I realized that a Nuzlocke would seem totally different if viewed in the context of the Pokemon Pokémon world. Pokemon Pokémon don't actually die in Nuzlockes, and instead players usually release them when they faint. This, combined with the nicknames and the fact that players can't play favorites with wild Pokemon Pokémon translates to a trainer in-game who doesn't base which Pokemon Pokémon they use on skill or personal preference, nicknames all their Pokemon Pokémon to grow closer to them, and holds themselves to a code of honor where, if they allow one of their Pokemon Pokémon to faint even once, THEY WILL RELEASE IT BACK INTO THE WILD IMMEDIATELY AND NEVER FORCE IT TO BATTLE AGAIN. While it's highly unlikely that the developers intentionally based N's battles around the concept of Nuzlocke runs, this sort of mentality doesn't sound too out of character for N.
** Calling what he's doing a Nuzlocke run is still a case of CowboyBebopAtHisComputer--The CowboyBebopAtHisComputer -- the other main rule of Nuzlockes is that you can only catch the first Pokemon Pokémon you encounter on a route--if route -- if you knock it out or don't like it, tough luck. N uses teams of nearly every Pokemon Pokémon that can be commonly found on the nearby route(s), breaking this rule from the word go. The "refuse to let a Pokemon Pokémon faint more than once" mentality is still valid for N, it's just more akin to a standard Permadeath(which Permadeath (which lacks the capture restrictions) than a full blown Nuzlocke.



* The depiction of Ghetsis and Team Plasma in general. Ghetsis is the chief sage of the Team Plasma sages, who are styled like priests. Since N is the king and the Plasma grunts are knights, the sages would represent the Church, who were allied with the king and knights in holy crusades during the middle ages. To Team Plasma, freeing Pokemon is their holy crusade. Thus Ghetsis and his true intentions represents lies, hypocrisy, and corruption of a person who knowingly and maliciously takes advantage of beliefs held sacred by people and twists them into something to suit his dark, selfish ends. He even holds public sermons and preaches on the matters, when in reality he's full of crap. But it gets worse from there: he's outed as an EvilSorcerer type person who's scheming to take power as a tyrannical, despotic dictator. Hiding this under the ruse of priesthood makes him the lowest scum possible, so thus he gets a makeover once everyone knows what he truly is. He keeps his pointed, horn-like hairstyle, but now wears a black and red visor on his right eye (his left eye is already red.), wraps himself in a BlackCloak with creepy eyeball symbols decorating it, and carries around a staff with the Plasma insignia that is almost pitchfork-esque at a certain glance. So not only has Ghetsis gone from dark priest to all out EvilOverlord, but he's essentially styled as TheDevil himself. His original name, G'Cis Harmonia, can even be translated as "the Devil in music." His battle theme sounds like a Dark Reprise to that of Arceus, the God Pokemon, and the opening for the "Episode N" arc of the anime even has him set against a red, fiery, flaming backdrop as he throws back his cape in a very Devil-like fashion. Based on the man's actions and behavior, it's hard not to see this depiction as fitting, but then it really hits you...Satan was running the Church! Is there perhaps some disturbing commentary on religious groups of KnightTemplar zealots here?
** Ghetsis can also be seen as playing an evil version of Merlin to N's King Arthur, and also an inversion - rather than helping the king claim the throne, he's using the king to help ''him'' claim the throne.
* Ghetsis's theme is often said to sound like [[{{God}} Arceus]], now who do you often think of as an [[{{Satan}} evil version of God]]?

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* The depiction of Ghetsis and Team Plasma in general. Ghetsis is the chief sage of the Team Plasma sages, who are styled like priests. Since N is the king and the Plasma grunts are knights, the sages would represent the Church, who were allied with the king and knights in holy crusades during the middle ages. To Team Plasma, freeing Pokemon Pokémon is their holy crusade. Thus Ghetsis and his true intentions represents lies, hypocrisy, and corruption of a person who knowingly and maliciously takes advantage of beliefs held sacred by people and twists them into something to suit his dark, selfish ends. He even holds public sermons and preaches on the matters, when in reality he's full of crap. But it gets worse from there: he's outed as an EvilSorcerer type person who's scheming to take power as a tyrannical, despotic dictator. Hiding this under the ruse of priesthood makes him the lowest scum possible, so thus he gets a makeover once everyone knows what he truly is. He keeps his pointed, horn-like hairstyle, but now wears a black and red visor on his right eye (his left eye is already red.), red), wraps himself in a BlackCloak with creepy eyeball symbols decorating it, and carries around a staff with the Plasma insignia that is almost pitchfork-esque at a certain glance. So not only has Ghetsis gone from dark priest to all out EvilOverlord, but he's essentially styled as TheDevil himself. His original name, G'Cis Harmonia, can even be translated as "the Devil in music." His battle theme sounds like a Dark Reprise to that of Arceus, the God Pokemon, and the opening for the "Episode N" arc of the anime even has him set against a red, fiery, flaming backdrop as he throws back his cape in a very Devil-like fashion. Based on the man's actions and behavior, it's hard not to see this depiction as fitting, but then it really hits you...Satan was running the Church! Is there perhaps some disturbing commentary on religious groups of KnightTemplar zealots here?
** Ghetsis can also be seen as playing an evil version of Merlin to N's King Arthur, and also an inversion - -- rather than helping the king claim the throne, he's using the king to help ''him'' claim the throne.
* Ghetsis's theme is often said to sound like [[{{God}} Arceus]], now Arceus]]; now, who do you often think of as an [[{{Satan}} evil version of God]]?



* If you're paying attention in the battle against Ghetsis, or hacked the data files, you'll find that his team of Pokemon have excellent stats, abilities, and movesets which suggest [[ArtificialBrilliance he's a brilliant strategist and Trainer]]. However, when you're battling him, he just tries to oneshot all your Pokemon with type-advantages. Why? ''[[VillainousBreakdown He's so mad at you, he can't even think straight]].''

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* If you're paying attention in the battle against Ghetsis, or hacked the data files, you'll find that his team of Pokemon Pokémon have excellent stats, abilities, and movesets movesets, which suggest [[ArtificialBrilliance he's a brilliant strategist and Trainer]]. However, when you're battling him, he just tries to oneshot one-shot all your Pokemon Pokémon with type-advantages. Why? ''[[VillainousBreakdown He's so mad at you, he can't even think straight]].''



* Durant's Dream World ability is Truant. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Presumably, the "dream world" allows Pokemon to act out their dreams.]] Durant only wants to have a day off. It would probably ''need'' a day off, considering how often it gets attacked by Heatmor...

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* Durant's Dream World ability is Truant. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Presumably, the "dream world" allows Pokemon Pokémon to act out their dreams.]] Durant only wants to have a day off. It would probably ''need'' a day off, considering how often it gets attacked by Heatmor...



* Following that train of thought, Vanilluxe may want to lower its weight considering its hidden ability is Weak Armor.

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* Following that train of thought, Vanilluxe may want to lower its weight weight, considering its hidden ability is Weak Armor.



* Omanyte and Omastar have Weak Armor. Remember the Pokedex entries stating they died out because their shells got too heavy and they couldn't get food?

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* Omanyte and Omastar have Weak Armor. Remember the Pokedex Pokédex entries stating they died out because their shells got too heavy and they couldn't get food?



* Perhaps this belongs in the FridgeHorror section, but Slowpoke gets Regenerator. Let that sink in.[[note]]Slowpoke tails are considered delicacies in and around Kanto/Johto. Also, most animals have the ability to regenerate lost body parts[[/note]]

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* Perhaps this belongs in the FridgeHorror section, but Slowpoke gets Regenerator. Let that sink in.[[note]]Slowpoke tails are considered delicacies in and around Kanto/Johto. Also, most animals have the ability to regenerate lost body parts[[/note]]parts.[[/note]]



* Caterpie, Weedle and Wurmple all got Run Away... [[WhatTheHellHero The guilt trip works...]]

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* Caterpie, Weedle Weedle, and Wurmple all got Run Away... [[WhatTheHellHero The guilt trip works...]]



* Toxicroak gets Poison Touch - It wants more effective poison. -shiver-

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* Toxicroak gets Poison Touch - -- It wants more effective poison. -shiver-



* Ekans and Arbok get [[WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes Unnerve]]

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* Ekans and Arbok get [[WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes Unnerve]]Unnerve]].



** Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres. Articuno has Snow Cloak (it causes blizzards), Zapdos has Lightningrod (it lives in thunderclouds) and Moltres has Flame Body (it's WreathedInFlames!)
** Mewtwo has Unnerve. Well, it was designed to be the most powerful Pokemon, and had all Red/Blue trainers quaking in their booties.

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** Articuno, Zapdos Zapdos, and Moltres. Articuno has Snow Cloak (it causes blizzards), Zapdos has Lightningrod (it lives in thunderclouds) thunderclouds), and Moltres has Flame Body (it's WreathedInFlames!)
** Mewtwo has Unnerve. Well, it was designed to be the most powerful Pokemon, Pokémon, and had all Red/Blue trainers quaking in their booties.



* In the [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyandSapphire Devon Corporation building in Rustboro City]], there is a scientist who mentions that "I'm attempting a device that lets you see into the dreams of Pokemon!! But it's not going well..." Two generations later, you get to do just this.

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* In the [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyandSapphire Devon Corporation building in Rustboro City]], there is a scientist who mentions that "I'm attempting a device that lets you see into the dreams of Pokemon!! Pokémon!! But it's not going well..." Two generations later, you get to do just this.



* At first it's really disappointing that you can't have a Pokemon follow behind you like in HG/SS. But come to think of it, in Unova, you don't see a single Pokemon just hanging out outside. In houses, sure, but not outside like in Kanto. And Unova is an urban region, far away from the others and based on New York instead of Japan. Perhaps the rules are different, and having Pokemon out in public isn't socially acceptable the way it is in Kanto and Johto?

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* At first first, it's really disappointing that you can't have a Pokemon Pokémon follow behind you like in HG/SS. But come to think of it, in Unova, you don't see a single Pokemon Pokémon just hanging out outside. In houses, sure, but not outside like in Kanto. And Unova is an urban region, far away from the others and based on New York instead of Japan. Perhaps the rules are different, and having Pokemon Pokémon out in public isn't socially acceptable the way it is in Kanto and Johto?



*** It could be that, since it appears that Team Plasma only started their "pleas" when you and your friends start your adventures, and then follow you around (coincidentally, one hopes), that they just never got round to the other side yet. The other two cities attract tourists (one's a battle plaza or a nice little forest, and the other a holiday destination) so it might be that those people have heard of them before and keep their Pokemon in their balls.

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*** It could be that, since it appears that Team Plasma only started their "pleas" when you and your friends start your adventures, and then follow you around (coincidentally, ([[ParanoiaFuel coincidentally, one hopes), hopes]]), that they just never got round to the other side yet. The other two cities attract tourists (one's a battle plaza or a nice little forest, and the other a holiday destination) so it might be that those people have heard of them before and keep their Pokemon Pokémon in their balls.



* How does a Pokemon Center stay open when it performs totally free services? One good way to keep finances coming in: merge it with the Poké Mart.
** Why is this not necessary in the Japan based regions? Socialized healthcare. [[note]]This is not a completely accurate depiction of healthcare in Japan, where the patient is responsible for 30% of their medical fees. But neither is it of America, so.[[/note]] Subtle TakeThat?

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* How does a Pokemon Pokémon Center stay open when it performs totally free services? One good way to keep finances coming in: merge it with the Poké Mart.
** Why is this not necessary in the Japan based Japan-based regions? Socialized healthcare. [[note]]This is not a completely accurate depiction of healthcare in Japan, where the patient is responsible for 30% of their medical fees. But neither is it of America, so.[[/note]] Subtle TakeThat?



* Why are the Pokedex entries of Ghost Pokemon, especially in this generation, so cryptic and frightening yet ingame there's no evidence any of entries have happened? Because they're ghost stories!
* The Light/Dark Stone is mentioned in the legend of Reshiram/Zekrom, yet it's in the Nacrene Museum and nobody knows what it really is. Is it a continuity error? No. Because it's likely that while it was said that the Pokemon changed into the stones, there were never really pictures of those stones and odds are that history wasn't being recorded all those decades ago and even if it was, the warring heroes likely destroyed a lot of those records. Either that or due to how the legend's just a legend, a museum curator and archaeologist wouldn't jump to the conclusion that Reshiram and Zekrom are the Light and Dark stone with such little evidence.

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* Why are the Pokedex Pokédex entries of Ghost Pokemon, Pokémon, especially in this generation, so cryptic and frightening yet ingame in-game there's no evidence any of entries have happened? Because they're ghost stories!
* The Light/Dark Stone is mentioned in the legend of Reshiram/Zekrom, yet it's in the Nacrene Museum and nobody knows what it really is. Is it a continuity error? No. Because it's likely that while it was said that the Pokemon Pokémon changed into the stones, there were never really pictures of those stones and odds are that history wasn't being recorded all those decades ago and even if it was, the warring heroes likely destroyed a lot of those records. Either that or due to how the legend's just a legend, a museum curator and archaeologist wouldn't jump to the conclusion that Reshiram and Zekrom are the Light and Dark stone with such little evidence.



* Why do many Unova Pokemon evolve at later levels than the Pokemon from other regions? Because it's the Pokemon world version of America, which has a higher age of majority (the age you're fully considered an adult, which in America is 21) than both Japan (age 20) and France (age 18). So Pokemon become "adults" at higher levels in Unova than Pokemon from other regions.
* The world of Black is tech-savvy and the world of White is nature-based. Their respective legendaries have opposite themes. There are two reasons for this. One, this ties in the Tao theme really well; they are the other, opposite colored dot of the world. Two, [[spoiler:N tries to fight you with the correctly-themed dragon; this is the dragon who probably won over the other the first time, hence how Unova came out.]] You conquering the opposite-themed dragon and it conquering the other shows that what it represents is just as valid as the other, not better or worse. -Tropers/TheViolentTomboy

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* Why do many Unova Pokemon Pokémon evolve at later levels than the Pokemon Pokémon from other regions? Because it's the Pokemon Pokémon world version of America, which has a higher age of majority (the age you're fully considered an adult, which in America is 21) than both Japan (age 20) and France (age 18). So Pokemon Pokémon become "adults" at higher levels in Unova than Pokemon Pokémon from other regions.
* The world of Black is tech-savvy and the world of White is nature-based. Their respective legendaries have opposite themes. There are two reasons for this. One, this ties in the Tao theme really well; they are the other, opposite colored dot of the world. Two, [[spoiler:N tries to fight you with the correctly-themed dragon; this is the dragon who probably won over the other the first time, hence how Unova came out.]] You conquering --conquering the opposite-themed dragon and it conquering the other shows that what it represents is just as valid as the other, not better or worse. -Tropers/TheViolentTomboy



* In the start of the game, you have a Pokémon battle in your room. After this, your room is a mess - but your Wii and TV is completely fine and didn't even seem to get hit. Now, we all know Nintendo consoles are made of [[MadeOfIndestructium Nintendium]]...
* At level 85, two of the Forces of Nature (Tornadus and Thundurus, to be exact) learn Thrash as their final move, whereas Landorus leans Outrage. May look like nothing, but take look at the myth again. The legend goes that Landorus punished Tornadus and Thundurus for bringing massive destruction to Unova. In other words, Landorus became [=OUTRAGEd=] because Tornadus and Thundurus rampaged and attacked, which is how the in-game text describes the move Thrash.

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* In the start of the game, you have a Pokémon battle in your room. After this, your room is a mess - -- but your Wii and TV is completely fine and didn't even seem to get hit. Now, we all know Nintendo consoles are made of [[MadeOfIndestructium Nintendium]]...
* At level 85, two of the Forces of Nature (Tornadus and Thundurus, to be exact) learn Thrash as their final move, whereas Landorus leans learns Outrage. May look like nothing, but take look at the myth again. The legend goes that Landorus punished Tornadus and Thundurus for bringing massive destruction to Unova. In other words, Landorus became [=OUTRAGEd=] because Tornadus and Thundurus rampaged and attacked, which is how the in-game text describes the move Thrash.



* It bugged me a little to find that there were none of the Pokemon seen in the last 4 generations were available in Generation V. But then I realized, why would a region based off of the American East Coast have the same wildlife is areas based off of Japan?

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* It bugged me a little to find that there were none of the Pokemon Pokémon seen in the last 4 generations were available in Generation V. But then I realized, why would a region based off of the American East Coast have the same wildlife is areas based off of Japan?



* In the [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire third generation games]], a scientist in a building in Rustboro Town says that they're working on a device that visually reproduces the dreams of Pokemon. Come [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Gen V]], there's the Pokemon Dream World.

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* In the [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire third generation games]], a scientist in a building in Rustboro Town says that they're working on a device that visually reproduces the dreams of Pokemon. Pokémon. Come [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Gen V]], there's the Pokemon Pokémon Dream World.



* Many of the quotes randomly generated by opponents in the Battle Subway are surprisingly humorous, deep, and - yes - terrifying. Including this gem of a quote from a subway worker:

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* Many of the quotes randomly generated by opponents in the Battle Subway are surprisingly humorous, deep, and - -- yes - -- terrifying. Including this gem of a quote from a subway worker:



* One trainer on Route 15 says that she's looking for Pokemon that have escaped from the Poke Transfer Lab. Notice how the whole northeast of Unova is full of Gen I-IV Pokemon. Yes, that's right: Unova's being overrun by invasive species that are probably wreaking havoc on the ecosystem now [[WhatTheHellPlayer because you wanted to keep the Pokemon from your old games.]]

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* One trainer on Route 15 says that she's looking for Pokemon Pokémon that have escaped from the Poke Poké Transfer Lab. Notice how the whole northeast of Unova is full of Gen I-IV Pokemon. Pokémon. Yes, that's right: Unova's being overrun by invasive species that are probably wreaking havoc on the ecosystem now [[WhatTheHellPlayer because you wanted to keep the Pokemon Pokémon from your old games.]]



*** Probably brought there by other trainers. Which raises the question, ''what happened to the previous-gen regions you traded foreign Pokemon into?''
* When you get to the pool in Crater Forest, Kyurem freezes the entire place, covering everything in snow. ''How many Pokemon died from hypothermia/suffocation when that blizzard hit?''
** Probably not that many; most of the Pokemon found there probably wouldn't be affected by a harsh change in temperature (Lunatone/Solrock, Metang/Metagross, Piloswine/Mamoswine), and Ditto can change its form to match the temperature. Clefairies/Clefables probably have thick fur to insulate them from the cold.

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*** Probably brought there by other trainers. Which raises the question, ''what happened to the previous-gen regions you traded foreign Pokemon Pokémon into?''
* When you get to the pool in Crater Forest, Kyurem freezes the entire place, covering everything in snow. ''How many Pokemon Pokémon died from hypothermia/suffocation when that blizzard hit?''
** Probably not that many; most of the Pokemon Pokémon found there probably wouldn't be affected by a harsh change in temperature (Lunatone/Solrock, Metang/Metagross, Piloswine/Mamoswine), and Ditto can change its form to match the temperature. Clefairies/Clefables probably have thick fur to insulate them from the cold.



*** Magic Guard. Many Clefairies and Clefables presumably cannot suffocate. Besides, we've known for a long time that Pokemon aren't easy to keep consistently Frozen.
*** How do we know that that Kyurem hasn't frozen the forest before, and that's the reason why there are only pokemon that could survive a freeze?

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*** Magic Guard. Many Clefairies and Clefables presumably cannot suffocate. Besides, we've known for a long time that Pokemon Pokémon aren't easy to keep consistently Frozen.
*** How do we know that that Kyurem hasn't frozen the forest before, and that's the reason why there are only pokemon Pokémon that could survive a freeze?



** That's not so bad. Pokemon are seen as both allies and food if need be.

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** That's not so bad. Pokemon Pokémon are seen as both allies and food if need be.



** Alternatively - the Vanillite come from the cones, not the other way around. There have been tsukumogami-(inanimate objects that become animate creatures) based Pokemon since the first generation, and Unova has several that come from various sources. It wouldn't be that big of a stretch to say that the Castelia Cones are so magically delicious and well-loved that they occasionally gain sentience. The owner probably keeps them in the freezer throughout the warm seasons so they won't melt, then goes on a journey in the winter to release them all around Unova once it's cold enough for them to travel comfortably.
** Actually, Vanillite looking like ice cream doesn't necessarily translate to it ''tasting'' like ice cream. Even if it's body is ice-based, it could just taste like regular ice, which is basically flavorless. Even if they're sweetening it or adding flavor, killing Vanillite to make them is pointless, as you could just use normal ice for effectively the same product. Although, if you really want to draw a connection between the two, you might be able to put forth the idea that the Vanillite are creating the ice cream themselves.

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** Alternatively - the Vanillite come from the cones, not the other way around. There have been tsukumogami-(inanimate objects that become animate creatures) based Pokemon Pokémon since the first generation, and Unova has several that come from various sources. It wouldn't be that big of a stretch to say that the Castelia Cones are so magically delicious and well-loved that they occasionally gain sentience. The owner probably keeps them in the freezer throughout the warm seasons so they won't melt, then goes on a journey in the winter to release them all around Unova once it's cold enough for them to travel comfortably.
** Actually, Vanillite looking like ice cream doesn't necessarily translate to it ''tasting'' like ice cream. Even if it's its body is ice-based, it could just taste like regular ice, which is basically flavorless. Even if they're sweetening it or adding flavor, killing Vanillite to make them is pointless, as you could just use normal ice for effectively the same product. Although, if you really want to draw a connection between the two, you might be able to put forth the idea that the Vanillite are creating the ice cream themselves.



* It's revealed near the end that the Pokemon that Team Plasma stole [[spoiler:were actually enslaved and forced to build their castle. Now keep in mind that N grew up with abused Pokemon. [[NightmareFuel How many of those "playmates" of his also doubled as slave labour for Ghetsis, who likely saw the convenience in this plan?]]]]
* So, what did Team Plasma want with that Munna's Dream Mist again? Oh, right, they wanted to use it to brainwash the people of Unova into releasing their Pokemon and joining Team Plasma. If that had worked, [[spoiler: Ghetsis would have an unstoppable brainwashed army, which he could continually replenish and expand by harvesting more Dream Mist from Munna to brainwash new "recruits".]] [[NightmareFuel You're welcome.]]

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* It's revealed near the end that the Pokemon Pokémon that Team Plasma stole [[spoiler:were actually enslaved and forced to build their castle. Now keep in mind that N grew up with abused Pokemon.Pokémon. [[NightmareFuel How many of those "playmates" of his also doubled as slave labour for Ghetsis, who likely saw the convenience in this plan?]]]]
* So, what did Team Plasma want with that Munna's Dream Mist again? Oh, right, they wanted to use it to brainwash the people of Unova into releasing their Pokemon Pokémon and joining Team Plasma. If that had worked, [[spoiler: Ghetsis [[spoiler:Ghetsis would have an unstoppable brainwashed army, which he could continually replenish and expand by harvesting more Dream Mist from Munna to brainwash new "recruits".]] [[NightmareFuel You're welcome.]]



** Speaking of N's lineage, let's look at his powers for a moment: He talks to Pokemon, yes, but he says in the final speech he heard your Pokemon's voices the first time he met you, where you don't seem to have a Pokemon out of its ball. This might imply, say, telepathy. I think everyone knows about a [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire green-haired, humanoid psychic type]], yes? Now, consider two things about Ghetsis. First, it's pretty clear he wouldn't be averse to horribly mistreating a Pokemon if it'd further his goals. Second, Ghetsis has red eyes, green hair and sociopathy on levels previously unknown to mankind. [[ThePokemonStory I wonder what could produce a combination like that...]] Maybe N gets his telepathy from his grandmother's side?
*** Thank almighty Arceus this is an impossibility. Misty appeared in that ''fanfic'', and Ghetsis would've been born decades before her.

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** Speaking of N's lineage, let's look at his powers for a moment: He talks to Pokemon, Pokémon, yes, but he says in the final speech he heard your Pokemon's Pokémon's voices the first time he met you, where you don't seem to have a Pokemon Pokémon out of its ball. This might imply, say, telepathy. I think everyone knows about a [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire green-haired, humanoid psychic type]], yes? Now, consider two things about Ghetsis. First, it's pretty clear he wouldn't be averse to horribly mistreating a Pokemon Pokémon if it'd further his goals. Second, Ghetsis has red eyes, green hair hair, and sociopathy on levels previously unknown to mankind. [[ThePokemonStory I wonder what could produce a combination like that...]] Maybe N gets his telepathy from his grandmother's side?
*** Thank almighty Arceus this [[BestialityIsDepraved this]] is an impossibility. Misty appeared in that ''fanfic'', and Ghetsis would've been born decades before her.her.
*** Gardevoir's not even in the Humanshape egg group...



* A sage in Black and White questions whether or not [[spoiler: N is Ghetsis' son]]. If this is true, [[spoiler: where did he get N from]]?
** [[spoiler: [[FanDislikedExplanation From a forest.]]]]
** [[spoiler: N's mother]] was a Ditto who shapeshifted into a human.

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* A sage in Black and White questions whether or not [[spoiler: N [[spoiler:N is Ghetsis' son]]. If this is true, [[spoiler: where [[spoiler:where did he get N from]]?
** [[spoiler: [[FanDislikedExplanation [[spoiler:[[FanDislikedExplanation From a forest.]]]]
** [[spoiler: N's [[spoiler:N's mother]] was a Ditto who shapeshifted into a human.



** This also explains why it has Focus Blast-- [[spoiler: four of the six members of N's team are weak to Fighting. And it also has Surf to cover Archeops.]]

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** This also explains why it has Focus Blast-- [[spoiler: four Blast -- [[spoiler:four of the six members of N's team are weak to Fighting. And it also has Surf to cover Archeops.]]



** Hell, just Ghetsis' plans in general. Just look at his big one in the game: [[spoiler:Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon and that all Pokemon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon army headed by the legendary Pokemon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon get added to his forces. The more Pokemon, the more power, and with enough power, Ghetsis could take over the entire world, bringing about a Dystopian new world order in which he, as the ruler who is the only one allowed to have and use Pokemon, has unlimited influence, privilege, and control over everything that lives and is free to oppress and suppress everyone by using threat of force via his supepowered mons. And the reason for all this? He felt entitled to it.]]
*** Let's say for a minute the Plasma plan went through and Ghetsis took over Unova. Short of a more moderate replacement succeeding him, the only way his dominion would end is if people took the law into their own hands and violently deposed him with "illegal" Pokemon or if a more malicious power moved in and destroyed Team Plasma. Such a violent revolution would strain human-Pokemon relations and cause them to leave or savage the region, and there's at least ''one'' villainous group out there with no qualms about attacking trainers. Seeing the potential for [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] to expand into a disarmed Unova, whether they were behind Team Plasma's operations or not, was how I knew [[AntiVillain N]] was [[UnwittingPawn a tool from the start]].
*** And if Ghetsis did take over Unova, the entire economy of Unova would be a wreck, since everything revolves around Pokemon.
*** As dictator of not just Unova but the entire world, Ghetsis would turn the world into one where every day was one of suffering under his reign - a world where your oppressors have all the power to harm you and keep you in line (as the only ones able to use Pokemon) and you lack the power to fight back, and are thus made to feel enslaved in this dystopian world order. It's a FateWorseThanDeath, arguably as horrific as Cyrus' vision for the world, if not moreso seeing as here you'd keep your emotions and would thus feel every last bit of pain.
*** '''WARNING''': Major guessing ahead. Consider why he had those items. One could make the argument that he had them because he was trying to attain [[spoiler:the Creation trio]] to kill anyone in his way. This presents 2 flaws: Ghetsis could use any legendary to do this, and you don't [[spoiler: need the orbs to get the Creation trio]]. In addition, the killing of a trainer is likely to spark a revolt. But remember what the legendaries he was trying to acquire are capable of. This implies three things. One: [[spoiler:Ghetsis is willing to erase people from existence to continue his plans]]. Two: [[spoiler:He only gave you the orbs because he knows they are useless to both him and the player character]]. Three: [[spoiler:He wants to [[AGodAmI become God]], [[DimensionLord rule over the cosmos as a despot]] and maybe even [[MultiversalConqueror go beyond that.]]]]
*** I'm going to throw my own slightly less alarmist theory into the mix here: Ghetsis states at the end of the game that [[spoiler:he is the one who awakened Reshiram/Zekrom]] along with [[spoiler:manipulating events]] so that N would actively seek it and thus become the hero [[spoiler:Ghetsis needed to take control]]. We know that the legendary yin/yang dragons are awakened both by the presence of their hero AND [[spoiler:the specific stone needed to awaken them]], according to whichever version you're playing. We also know that Team Plasma were delving into absolutely any leads they could find on the dragons, as their appearance at the Nacrene Gym shows us. If Team Plasma were seeking out any methods they could find to try and awaken the dragons, perhaps Ghetsis came across the [[spoiler:orbs]] whilst seeking the [[spoiler:yin/yang stones]] and thought they might be the items he desired, which they obviously proved not to be. Bear in mind that the region of Unova and its people don't know a great deal about Pokemon from distant lands; perhaps Ghetsis thought the [[spoiler:orbs]] were worthless when they did not [[spoiler:awaken Reshiram/Zekrom]] and so had little trouble casting them off to the player. I'm sure a third version of the game with an extended post-game story will put the theories to rest in time, but just in case this one is right, everyone should really be thankful that Ghetsis never learned [[spoiler:which [[PhysicalGod "dragons"]] the orbs were connected to]]...

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** Hell, just Ghetsis' plans in general. Just look at his big one in the game: [[spoiler:Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon Pokémon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon Pokémon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon Pokémon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon Pokémon and that all Pokemon Pokémon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon Pokémon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon Pokémon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...Pokémon... which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon Pokémon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon Pokémon army headed by the legendary Pokemon Pokémon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon Pokémon get added to his forces. The more Pokemon, Pokémon, the more power, and with enough power, Ghetsis could take over the entire world, bringing about a Dystopian new world order in which he, as the ruler who is the only one allowed to have and use Pokemon, Pokémon, has unlimited influence, privilege, and control over everything that lives and is free to oppress and suppress everyone by using threat of force via his supepowered superpowered mons. And the reason for all this? He felt entitled to it.]]
*** Let's say for a minute the Plasma plan went through and Ghetsis took over Unova. Short of a more moderate replacement succeeding him, the only way his dominion would end is if people took the law into their own hands and violently deposed him with "illegal" Pokemon Pokémon or if a more malicious power moved in and destroyed Team Plasma. Such a violent revolution would strain human-Pokemon human-Pokémon relations and cause them to leave or savage the region, and there's at least ''one'' villainous group out there with no qualms about attacking trainers. Seeing the potential for [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] to expand into a disarmed Unova, whether they were behind Team Plasma's operations or not, was how I knew [[AntiVillain N]] was [[UnwittingPawn a tool from the start]].
*** And if Ghetsis did take over Unova, the entire economy of Unova would be a wreck, since everything revolves around Pokemon.
Pokémon.
*** As dictator of not just Unova but the entire world, Ghetsis would turn the world into one where every day was one of suffering under his reign - -- a world where your oppressors have all the power to harm you and keep you in line (as the only ones able to use Pokemon) Pokeéon) and you lack the power to fight back, and are thus made to feel enslaved in this dystopian world order. It's a FateWorseThanDeath, arguably as horrific as Cyrus' vision for the world, if not moreso seeing as here you'd keep your emotions and would thus feel every last bit of pain.
*** '''WARNING''': Major guessing ahead. Consider why he had those items. One could make the argument that he had them because he was trying to attain [[spoiler:the Creation trio]] to kill anyone in his way. This presents 2 flaws: Ghetsis could use any legendary to do this, and you don't [[spoiler: need [[spoiler:need the orbs to get the Creation trio]]. In addition, the killing of a trainer is likely to spark a revolt. But remember what the legendaries he was trying to acquire are capable of. This implies three things. One: [[spoiler:Ghetsis is willing to erase people from existence to continue his plans]]. Two: [[spoiler:He only gave you the orbs because he knows they are useless to both him and the player character]]. Three: [[spoiler:He wants to [[AGodAmI become God]], [[DimensionLord rule over the cosmos as a despot]] despot]], and maybe even [[MultiversalConqueror go beyond that.]]]]
*** I'm going to throw my own slightly less alarmist theory into the mix here: Ghetsis states at the end of the game that [[spoiler:he is the one who awakened Reshiram/Zekrom]] along with [[spoiler:manipulating events]] so that N would actively seek it and thus become the hero [[spoiler:Ghetsis needed to take control]]. We know that the legendary yin/yang dragons are awakened both by the presence of their hero AND [[spoiler:the specific stone needed to awaken them]], according to whichever version you're playing. We also know that Team Plasma were delving into absolutely any leads they could find on the dragons, as their appearance at the Nacrene Gym shows us. If Team Plasma were seeking out any methods they could find to try and awaken the dragons, perhaps Ghetsis came across the [[spoiler:orbs]] whilst seeking the [[spoiler:yin/yang stones]] and thought they might be the items he desired, which they obviously proved not to be. Bear in mind that the region of Unova and its people don't know a great deal about Pokemon Pokémon from distant lands; perhaps Ghetsis thought the [[spoiler:orbs]] were worthless when they did not [[spoiler:awaken Reshiram/Zekrom]] and so had little trouble casting them off to the player. I'm sure a third version of the game with an extended post-game story will put the theories to rest in time, but just in case this one is right, everyone should really be thankful that Ghetsis never learned [[spoiler:which [[PhysicalGod "dragons"]] the orbs were connected to]]...



** In general, Ghetsis' sadism is disturbing, but it becomes moreso when you consider that many of the things he does, in both games, can be considered forms of torture - physical torture (his Pokemon abuse, what he does to Kyurem and has Kyurem do to Unova, commanding Kyurem use Glaciate on a human child), emotional torture (his treatment of N and what he has Team Plasma put a lot of people through), and even psychological torture (towards N and to an extent all the masses of Unova through his plan with the freezeover of the entire region). And when you look at his Pokemon team, all of his Pokemon seem to be tailor-made for use as living torture weapons on his enemies and their Pokemon. Team Plasma's initial medieval style might also be part of this, seeing as brutality and torture chambers were big in the middle ages.
* Then we come to [[spoiler: [[AbusiveParents Gh]][[TheSociopath e]][[ManipulativeBastard t]][[{{Hypocrite}} s]][[MoralEventHorizon is]]]], the undoubted God-King of fridge horror in the Pokémon franchise.
** Not necessarily. We all know that it's all but stated that [[spoiler: Ghetsis has reduced his son into a ManChild, and was planning on OffingTheOffspring.]] That's bad enough. However, [[spoiler: Ghetsis]] admits he enjoys it [[DespairEventHorizon when someone loses all hope.]] Which is what [[spoiler: poor N must have felt when Ghetsis revealed he was an UnwittingPawn.]] Meaning there's a very good chance that [[spoiler: Ghetsis]] did this not because YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness or he was angry at his plans being foiled, but [[NightmareFuel because he wanted to make him suffer]] ''[[ForTheEvulz to satisfy his sadism.]]''
** [[SarcasmMode It gets better.]] After defeating [[spoiler: Ghetsis]], three of his servants accost the player in an end-game area and hand over [[spoiler: the Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs, which are used for three legendary Pokemon in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum that are the embodiments of time, space, and chaos.]]. It raises three big questions: 1.) Exactly what plans did the guy have for these things?, 2.) How did he get them?, 3.) What happened to the player character from Diamond/Pearl/Platinum?
*** With the release of X and Y, you can find the [[spoiler: the Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs]] in the same "room" as [[spoiler: Zygarde]]. Apparently there are quite a few of those things rattling around in the Pokemon world.

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** In general, Ghetsis' sadism is disturbing, but it becomes moreso when you consider that many of the things he does, in both games, can be considered forms of torture - -- physical torture (his Pokemon Pokémon abuse, what he does to Kyurem and has Kyurem do to Unova, commanding Kyurem to use Glaciate on a human child), emotional torture (his treatment of N and what he has Team Plasma put a lot of people through), and even psychological torture (towards N and to an extent all the masses of Unova through his plan with the freezeover of the entire region). And when you look at his Pokemon Pokémon team, all of his Pokemon seem to be tailor-made for use as living torture weapons on his enemies and their Pokemon.Pokémon. Team Plasma's initial medieval style might also be part of this, seeing as brutality and torture chambers were big in the middle ages.
* Then we come to [[spoiler: [[AbusiveParents [[spoiler:[[AbusiveParents Gh]][[TheSociopath e]][[ManipulativeBastard t]][[{{Hypocrite}} s]][[MoralEventHorizon is]]]], the undoubted God-King of fridge horror in the Pokémon franchise.
** Not necessarily. We all know that it's all but stated that [[spoiler: Ghetsis [[spoiler:Ghetsis has reduced his son into a ManChild, and was planning on OffingTheOffspring.]] That's bad enough. However, [[spoiler: Ghetsis]] [[spoiler:Ghetsis]] admits he enjoys it [[DespairEventHorizon when someone loses all hope.]] Which is what [[spoiler: poor [[spoiler:poor N must have felt when Ghetsis revealed he was an UnwittingPawn.]] Meaning there's a very good chance that [[spoiler: Ghetsis]] [[spoiler:Ghetsis]] did this not because YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness or he was angry at his plans being foiled, but [[NightmareFuel because he wanted to make him suffer]] ''[[ForTheEvulz to satisfy his sadism.]]''
** [[SarcasmMode It gets better.]] After defeating [[spoiler: Ghetsis]], [[spoiler:Ghetsis]], three of his servants accost the player in an end-game area and hand over [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs, which are used for three legendary Pokemon in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum that are the embodiments of time, space, and chaos.]].chaos]]. It raises three big questions: 1.) Exactly what plans did the guy have for these things?, 2.) How did he get them?, 3.) What happened to the player character from Diamond/Pearl/Platinum?
*** With the release of X and Y, you can find the [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs]] in the same "room" as [[spoiler: Zygarde]].[[spoiler:Zygarde]]. Apparently there are quite a few of those things rattling around in the Pokemon world.
5th Nov '16 3:12:01 PM Anderling
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* At level 85, two of the Forces of Nature (Tornadus and Thundurus, to be exact) learn Thrash as their final move, whereas Landorus leans Outrage. May look like nothing, but take look at the myth again. The legend goes that Landorus punished Tornadus and Thundurus for bringing massive destruction to Unova. In other words, Landorus became OUTRAGEd because Tornadus and Thundurus rampaged and attacked, which is how the in-game text describes the move Thrash.

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* At level 85, two of the Forces of Nature (Tornadus and Thundurus, to be exact) learn Thrash as their final move, whereas Landorus leans Outrage. May look like nothing, but take look at the myth again. The legend goes that Landorus punished Tornadus and Thundurus for bringing massive destruction to Unova. In other words, Landorus became OUTRAGEd [=OUTRAGEd=] because Tornadus and Thundurus rampaged and attacked, which is how the in-game text describes the move Thrash.
14th Oct '16 2:07:06 PM CJCroen1393
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* N's Archeops with Acrobatics almost certainly wiped out Marshal's team when facing off against the Elite Four.
11th Aug '16 11:48:58 PM Kindle4Light
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* At first, Ghetsis's underleveled Hydreigon seems like it is there for the sake of having the powerful pseudo-legendary dark type on the final boss's team just so GF could. It turns out, [[spoiler:a fast (compared to Reshiram/Zekrom) Dragon type with decent power is a rather good counter to ''your'' freshly acquired [[TakesOneToKillOne dragon]] legendary during this fight. As he clearly is shocked you managed to contact the legendary and thus can't have been factored into his plans, [[OffingTheOffspring what do you suppose he was planning with it?]]]]
** This also explains why it has Focus Blast-- [[spoiler: four of the six members of N's team are weak to Fighting. And it also has Surf to cover Archeops.]]

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* At first, Ghetsis's underleveled Hydreigon seems like it is In Pokémon Black/White, the battle sprites are more animated, and there for the sake of having the powerful pseudo-legendary dark type on the final boss's team just are some special details like Pokémon's eyes closing when they're put to sleep. Aw, that's so GF could. It turns out, [[spoiler:a fast (compared to Reshiram/Zekrom) Dragon type with decent power is a rather good counter to ''your'' freshly acquired [[TakesOneToKillOne dragon]] legendary during this fight. As he clearly is shocked cute! And when you managed to contact the legendary and thus can't have been factored into his plans, [[OffingTheOffspring use a sleep attack on a Kangaskhan, its baby closes its eyes too! Awww, that's adora--wait. Oh dear, does that mean that every status ailment affects a Kangaskhan's baby as well? Paralysis? Burns? Even Toxic?! Oh boy, what do you suppose he was planning with it?]]]]
** This also explains why it has Focus Blast-- [[spoiler: four
kind of the six members of N's team monsters are weak to Fighting. And it also has Surf to cover Archeops.]]we?!
** [[BlackComedy Future Cubone?]]
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* Ghetsis must've had some pretty grand plans if he had the [[spoiler:Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs]]...
** And how did he come to have those, when they were last in the possession of [[spoiler:Lucas/Dawn]]?...
** Hell, just Ghetsis' plans in general. Just look at his big one in the game: [[spoiler:Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon and that all Pokemon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon army headed by the legendary Pokemon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon get added to his forces. The more Pokemon, the more power, and with enough power, Ghetsis could take over the entire world, bringing about a Dystopian new world order in which he, as the ruler who is the only one allowed to have and use Pokemon, has unlimited influence, privilege, and control over everything that lives and is free to oppress and suppress everyone by using threat of force via his supepowered mons. And the reason for all this? He felt entitled to it.]]
*** Let's say for a minute the Plasma plan went through and Ghetsis took over Unova. Short of a more moderate replacement succeeding him, the only way his dominion would end is if people took the law into their own hands and violently deposed him with "illegal" Pokemon or if a more malicious power moved in and destroyed Team Plasma. Such a violent revolution would strain human-Pokemon relations and cause them to leave or savage the region, and there's at least ''one'' villainous group out there with no qualms about attacking trainers. Seeing the potential for [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] to expand into a disarmed Unova, whether they were behind Team Plasma's operations or not, was how I knew [[AntiVillain N]] was [[UnwittingPawn a tool from the start]].
*** And if Ghetsis did take over Unova, the entire economy of Unova would be a wreck, since everything revolves around Pokemon.
*** As dictator of not just Unova but the entire world, Ghetsis would turn the world into one where every day was one of suffering under his reign - a world where your oppressors have all the power to harm you and keep you in line (as the only ones able to use Pokemon) and you lack the power to fight back, and are thus made to feel enslaved in this dystopian world order. It's a FateWorseThanDeath, arguably as horrific as Cyrus' vision for the world, if not moreso seeing as here you'd keep your emotions and would thus feel every last bit of pain.
*** '''WARNING''': Major guessing ahead. Consider why he had those items. One could make the argument that he had them because he was trying to attain [[spoiler:the Creation trio]] to kill anyone in his way. This presents 2 flaws: Ghetsis could use any legendary to do this, and you don't [[spoiler: need the orbs to get the Creation trio]]. In addition, the killing of a trainer is likely to spark a revolt. But remember what the legendaries he was trying to acquire are capable of. This implies three things. One: [[spoiler:Ghetsis is willing to erase people from existence to continue his plans]]. Two: [[spoiler:He only gave you the orbs because he knows they are useless to both him and the player character]]. Three: [[spoiler:He wants to [[AGodAmI become God]], [[DimensionLord rule over the cosmos as a despot]] and maybe even [[MultiversalConqueror go beyond that.]]]]
*** I'm going to throw my own slightly less alarmist theory into the mix here: Ghetsis states at the end of the game that [[spoiler:he is the one who awakened Reshiram/Zekrom]] along with [[spoiler:manipulating events]] so that N would actively seek it and thus become the hero [[spoiler:Ghetsis needed to take control]]. We know that the legendary yin/yang dragons are awakened both by the presence of their hero AND [[spoiler:the specific stone needed to awaken them]], according to whichever version you're playing. We also know that Team Plasma were delving into absolutely any leads they could find on the dragons, as their appearance at the Nacrene Gym shows us. If Team Plasma were seeking out any methods they could find to try and awaken the dragons, perhaps Ghetsis came across the [[spoiler:orbs]] whilst seeking the [[spoiler:yin/yang stones]] and thought they might be the items he desired, which they obviously proved not to be. Bear in mind that the region of Unova and its people don't know a great deal about Pokemon from distant lands; perhaps Ghetsis thought the [[spoiler:orbs]] were worthless when they did not [[spoiler:awaken Reshiram/Zekrom]] and so had little trouble casting them off to the player. I'm sure a third version of the game with an extended post-game story will put the theories to rest in time, but just in case this one is right, everyone should really be thankful that Ghetsis never learned [[spoiler:which [[PhysicalGod "dragons"]] the orbs were connected to]]...



* It's revealed near the end that the Pokemon that Team Plasma stole [[spoiler:were actually enslaved and forced to build their castle. Now keep in mind that N grew up with abused Pokemon. [[NightmareFuel How many of those "playmates" of his also doubled as slave labour for Ghetsis, who likely saw the convenience in this plan?]]]]
* One of the Seven Sages mentions that [[spoiler:N might not be related to Ghetsis. Then where did N come from?]]
** And also, [[spoiler:where did his real parents go?]]
** If you think about it, this might be the less unpleasant option. Assuming that N ''is'' [[spoiler:related to Ghetsis, who did Ghetsis fuck to produce a child, [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes and in what way]]? And worse, there's no hint of N having a mother anywhere. '''''Where did she go?''''']]
*** '''''[[spoiler:N's mother is Concordia.]]'''''
*** I'm pretty sure that one hasn't been confirmed yet.
*** But it would make a hell of a lot of sense.
** Speaking of N's lineage, let's look at his powers for a moment: He talks to Pokemon, yes, but he says in the final speech he heard your Pokemon's voices the first time he met you, where you don't seem to have a Pokemon out of its ball. This might imply, say, telepathy. I think everyone knows about a [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire green-haired, humanoid psychic type]], yes? Now, consider two things about Ghetsis. First, it's pretty clear he wouldn't be averse to horribly mistreating a Pokemon if it'd further his goals. Second, Ghetsis has red eyes, green hair and sociopathy on levels previously unknown to mankind. [[ThePokemonStory I wonder what could produce a combination like that...]] Maybe N gets his telepathy from his grandmother's side?
*** Thank almighty Arceus this is an impossibility. Misty appeared in that ''fanfic'', and Ghetsis would've been born decades before her.
* [[spoiler:Ghetsis himself admits]] "The moment when someone loses all hope... I really do love to watch that moment." Now consider [[spoiler:when he revealed to N that he was an UnwittingPawn, crushing his hopes and dreams.]] The implications is that this MoralEventHorizon wasn't just done out of anger, ''[[ForTheEvulz but sadism.]]'' Indeed, [[spoiler:N's entire life of being manipulated]] could've been [[spoiler:something Ghetsis ''was turned on by.'']] He may have [[MindRape mindraped]] [[spoiler:his own son]] without him even knowing it.
** In general, Ghetsis' sadism is disturbing, but it becomes moreso when you consider that many of the things he does, in both games, can be considered forms of torture - physical torture (his Pokemon abuse, what he does to Kyurem and has Kyurem do to Unova, commanding Kyurem use Glaciate on a human child), emotional torture (his treatment of N and what he has Team Plasma put a lot of people through), and even psychological torture (towards N and to an extent all the masses of Unova through his plan with the freezeover of the entire region). And when you look at his Pokemon team, all of his Pokemon seem to be tailor-made for use as living torture weapons on his enemies and their Pokemon. Team Plasma's initial medieval style might also be part of this, seeing as brutality and torture chambers were big in the middle ages.
* You ever wonder why N has a OneLetterName? [[spoiler:Or ''what the hell happened to A through M?'']]
** Alternatively: What does N stand for? Null? No-one? Nothing? Nobody?
*** Or the calculus variable n, making N [[spoiler:just a variable in Ghetsis' perfect formula, less predictable than Ghetsis would have liked but unfortunately necessary to complete the equation. And N does like math...]]
*** Also, [[spoiler:giving his son (if N really IS his) a OneLetterName could just be Ghetsis's first step in dehumanizing N.]]
*** [[JossedTrope Jossed.]] His name is N[[spoiler:atural Harmonia Gropius.]] [[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Junichi_Masuda_reveals_information_on_N Confimed here.]]
*** Yes, but he refers to himself as N. Giving him [[spoiler:an actual name]] may have been so people don't get suspicious, so he can eventually dehumanize N.



* The Flying game in Dream World, which features a Pelipper flying through the sky. Though it needs 3 Water orbs to speed up, it only needs one single Electric one to go ''down'' a speed level. Then it hit me... Pelipper has a ''double weakness'' to Electric. The poor thing gets double as much damage from them.



* So, what did Team Plasma want with that Munna's Dream Mist again? Oh, right, they wanted to use it to brainwash the people of Unova into releasing their Pokemon and joining Team Plasma. If that had worked, [[spoiler: Ghetsis would have an unstoppable brainwashed army, which he could continually replenish and expand by harvesting more Dream Mist from Munna to brainwash new "recruits".]] [[NightmareFuel You're welcome.]]



* A few months ago, it was announced that the Dream World would be shut down in January 2014 for Gen VI and X/Y. Basically, it's an apocalypse counting down for a whole world.



* In the Dream World, sometimes a Spearow will ask to play "Find the Missing Pokémon", looking for a Burmy. Burmy is a Bug-type, and Spearow is a Flying-type bird Pokémon. As the Flying type is strong against the bug type, and baby birds eat bugs...there's a chance the player just helped a Spearow find its next living ''meal!''
* A sage in Black and White questions whether or not [[spoiler: N is Ghetsis' son]]. If this is true, [[spoiler: where did he get N from]]?
** [[spoiler: [[FanDislikedExplanation From a forest.]]]]
** [[spoiler: N's mother]] was a Ditto who shapeshifted into a human.
* In Pokémon Black/White, the battle sprites are more animated, and there are some special details like Pokémon's eyes closing when they're put to sleep. Aw, that's so cute! And when you use a sleep attack on a Kangaskhan, its baby closes its eyes too! Awww, that's adora--wait. Oh dear, does that mean that every status ailment affects a Kangaskhan's baby as well? Paralysis? Burns? Even Toxic?! Oh boy, what kind of monsters are we?!
** [[BlackComedy Future Cubone? ]]
* Then we come to [[spoiler: [[AbusiveParents Gh]][[TheSociopath e]][[ManipulativeBastard t]][[{{Hypocrite}} s]][[MoralEventHorizon is]]]], the undoubted God-King of fridge horror in the Pokémon franchise.
** Not necessarily. We all know that it's all but stated that [[spoiler: Ghetsis has reduced his son into a ManChild, and was planning on OffingTheOffspring.]] That's bad enough. However, [[spoiler: Ghetsis]] admits he enjoys it [[DespairEventHorizon when someone loses all hope.]] Which is what [[spoiler: poor N must have felt when Ghetsis revealed he was an UnwittingPawn.]] Meaning there's a very good chance that [[spoiler: Ghetsis]] did this not because YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness or he was angry at his plans being foiled, but [[NightmareFuel because he wanted to make him suffer]] ''[[ForTheEvulz to satisfy his sadism.]]''
** [[SarcasmMode It gets better.]] After defeating [[spoiler: Ghetsis]], three of his servants accost the player in an end-game area and hand over [[spoiler: the Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs, which are used for three legendary Pokemon in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum that are the embodiments of time, space, and chaos.]]. It raises three big questions: 1.) Exactly what plans did the guy have for these things?, 2.) How did he get them?, 3.) What happened to the player character from Diamond/Pearl/Platinum?
*** With the release of X and Y, you can find the [[spoiler: the Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs]] in the same "room" as [[spoiler: Zygarde]]. Apparently there are quite a few of those things rattling around in the Pokemon world.
** We all know that his Hydreigon is at least 10 levels lower than required to evolve. Zweilous evolves when one of its heads gains dominance over the other. Who's to say he didn't cut off one of its heads?




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* It's revealed near the end that the Pokemon that Team Plasma stole [[spoiler:were actually enslaved and forced to build their castle. Now keep in mind that N grew up with abused Pokemon. [[NightmareFuel How many of those "playmates" of his also doubled as slave labour for Ghetsis, who likely saw the convenience in this plan?]]]]
* So, what did Team Plasma want with that Munna's Dream Mist again? Oh, right, they wanted to use it to brainwash the people of Unova into releasing their Pokemon and joining Team Plasma. If that had worked, [[spoiler: Ghetsis would have an unstoppable brainwashed army, which he could continually replenish and expand by harvesting more Dream Mist from Munna to brainwash new "recruits".]] [[NightmareFuel You're welcome.]]
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* One of the Seven Sages mentions that [[spoiler:N might not be related to Ghetsis. Then where did N come from?]]
** And also, [[spoiler:where did his real parents go?]]
** If you think about it, this might be the less unpleasant option. Assuming that N ''is'' [[spoiler:related to Ghetsis, who did Ghetsis fuck to produce a child, [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes and in what way]]? And worse, there's no hint of N having a mother anywhere. '''''Where did she go?''''']]
*** '''''[[spoiler:N's mother is Concordia.]]'''''
*** I'm pretty sure that one hasn't been confirmed yet.
*** But it would make a hell of a lot of sense.
** Speaking of N's lineage, let's look at his powers for a moment: He talks to Pokemon, yes, but he says in the final speech he heard your Pokemon's voices the first time he met you, where you don't seem to have a Pokemon out of its ball. This might imply, say, telepathy. I think everyone knows about a [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire green-haired, humanoid psychic type]], yes? Now, consider two things about Ghetsis. First, it's pretty clear he wouldn't be averse to horribly mistreating a Pokemon if it'd further his goals. Second, Ghetsis has red eyes, green hair and sociopathy on levels previously unknown to mankind. [[ThePokemonStory I wonder what could produce a combination like that...]] Maybe N gets his telepathy from his grandmother's side?
*** Thank almighty Arceus this is an impossibility. Misty appeared in that ''fanfic'', and Ghetsis would've been born decades before her.
* You ever wonder why N has a OneLetterName? [[spoiler:Or ''what the hell happened to A through M?'']]
** Alternatively: What does N stand for? Null? No-one? Nothing? Nobody?
*** Or the calculus variable n, making N [[spoiler:just a variable in Ghetsis' perfect formula, less predictable than Ghetsis would have liked but unfortunately necessary to complete the equation. And N does like math...]]
*** Also, [[spoiler:giving his son (if N really IS his) a OneLetterName could just be Ghetsis's first step in dehumanizing N.]]
*** [[JossedTrope Jossed.]] His name is N[[spoiler:atural Harmonia Gropius.]] [[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Junichi_Masuda_reveals_information_on_N Confimed here.]]
*** Yes, but he refers to himself as N. Giving him [[spoiler:an actual name]] may have been so people don't get suspicious, so he can eventually dehumanize N.
* A sage in Black and White questions whether or not [[spoiler: N is Ghetsis' son]]. If this is true, [[spoiler: where did he get N from]]?
** [[spoiler: [[FanDislikedExplanation From a forest.]]]]
** [[spoiler: N's mother]] was a Ditto who shapeshifted into a human.
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* At first, Ghetsis's underleveled Hydreigon seems like it is there for the sake of having the powerful pseudo-legendary dark type on the final boss's team just so GF could. It turns out, [[spoiler:a fast (compared to Reshiram/Zekrom) Dragon type with decent power is a rather good counter to ''your'' freshly acquired [[TakesOneToKillOne dragon]] legendary during this fight. As he clearly is shocked you managed to contact the legendary and thus can't have been factored into his plans, [[OffingTheOffspring what do you suppose he was planning with it?]]]]
** This also explains why it has Focus Blast-- [[spoiler: four of the six members of N's team are weak to Fighting. And it also has Surf to cover Archeops.]]
* Ghetsis must've had some pretty grand plans if he had the [[spoiler:Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs]]...
** And how did he come to have those, when they were last in the possession of [[spoiler:Lucas/Dawn]]?...
** Hell, just Ghetsis' plans in general. Just look at his big one in the game: [[spoiler:Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon and that all Pokemon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon army headed by the legendary Pokemon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon get added to his forces. The more Pokemon, the more power, and with enough power, Ghetsis could take over the entire world, bringing about a Dystopian new world order in which he, as the ruler who is the only one allowed to have and use Pokemon, has unlimited influence, privilege, and control over everything that lives and is free to oppress and suppress everyone by using threat of force via his supepowered mons. And the reason for all this? He felt entitled to it.]]
*** Let's say for a minute the Plasma plan went through and Ghetsis took over Unova. Short of a more moderate replacement succeeding him, the only way his dominion would end is if people took the law into their own hands and violently deposed him with "illegal" Pokemon or if a more malicious power moved in and destroyed Team Plasma. Such a violent revolution would strain human-Pokemon relations and cause them to leave or savage the region, and there's at least ''one'' villainous group out there with no qualms about attacking trainers. Seeing the potential for [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] to expand into a disarmed Unova, whether they were behind Team Plasma's operations or not, was how I knew [[AntiVillain N]] was [[UnwittingPawn a tool from the start]].
*** And if Ghetsis did take over Unova, the entire economy of Unova would be a wreck, since everything revolves around Pokemon.
*** As dictator of not just Unova but the entire world, Ghetsis would turn the world into one where every day was one of suffering under his reign - a world where your oppressors have all the power to harm you and keep you in line (as the only ones able to use Pokemon) and you lack the power to fight back, and are thus made to feel enslaved in this dystopian world order. It's a FateWorseThanDeath, arguably as horrific as Cyrus' vision for the world, if not moreso seeing as here you'd keep your emotions and would thus feel every last bit of pain.
*** '''WARNING''': Major guessing ahead. Consider why he had those items. One could make the argument that he had them because he was trying to attain [[spoiler:the Creation trio]] to kill anyone in his way. This presents 2 flaws: Ghetsis could use any legendary to do this, and you don't [[spoiler: need the orbs to get the Creation trio]]. In addition, the killing of a trainer is likely to spark a revolt. But remember what the legendaries he was trying to acquire are capable of. This implies three things. One: [[spoiler:Ghetsis is willing to erase people from existence to continue his plans]]. Two: [[spoiler:He only gave you the orbs because he knows they are useless to both him and the player character]]. Three: [[spoiler:He wants to [[AGodAmI become God]], [[DimensionLord rule over the cosmos as a despot]] and maybe even [[MultiversalConqueror go beyond that.]]]]
*** I'm going to throw my own slightly less alarmist theory into the mix here: Ghetsis states at the end of the game that [[spoiler:he is the one who awakened Reshiram/Zekrom]] along with [[spoiler:manipulating events]] so that N would actively seek it and thus become the hero [[spoiler:Ghetsis needed to take control]]. We know that the legendary yin/yang dragons are awakened both by the presence of their hero AND [[spoiler:the specific stone needed to awaken them]], according to whichever version you're playing. We also know that Team Plasma were delving into absolutely any leads they could find on the dragons, as their appearance at the Nacrene Gym shows us. If Team Plasma were seeking out any methods they could find to try and awaken the dragons, perhaps Ghetsis came across the [[spoiler:orbs]] whilst seeking the [[spoiler:yin/yang stones]] and thought they might be the items he desired, which they obviously proved not to be. Bear in mind that the region of Unova and its people don't know a great deal about Pokemon from distant lands; perhaps Ghetsis thought the [[spoiler:orbs]] were worthless when they did not [[spoiler:awaken Reshiram/Zekrom]] and so had little trouble casting them off to the player. I'm sure a third version of the game with an extended post-game story will put the theories to rest in time, but just in case this one is right, everyone should really be thankful that Ghetsis never learned [[spoiler:which [[PhysicalGod "dragons"]] the orbs were connected to]]...
* [[spoiler:Ghetsis himself admits]] "The moment when someone loses all hope... I really do love to watch that moment." Now consider [[spoiler:when he revealed to N that he was an UnwittingPawn, crushing his hopes and dreams.]] The implications is that this MoralEventHorizon wasn't just done out of anger, ''[[ForTheEvulz but sadism.]]'' Indeed, [[spoiler:N's entire life of being manipulated]] could've been [[spoiler:something Ghetsis ''was turned on by.'']] He may have [[MindRape mindraped]] [[spoiler:his own son]] without him even knowing it.
** In general, Ghetsis' sadism is disturbing, but it becomes moreso when you consider that many of the things he does, in both games, can be considered forms of torture - physical torture (his Pokemon abuse, what he does to Kyurem and has Kyurem do to Unova, commanding Kyurem use Glaciate on a human child), emotional torture (his treatment of N and what he has Team Plasma put a lot of people through), and even psychological torture (towards N and to an extent all the masses of Unova through his plan with the freezeover of the entire region). And when you look at his Pokemon team, all of his Pokemon seem to be tailor-made for use as living torture weapons on his enemies and their Pokemon. Team Plasma's initial medieval style might also be part of this, seeing as brutality and torture chambers were big in the middle ages.
* Then we come to [[spoiler: [[AbusiveParents Gh]][[TheSociopath e]][[ManipulativeBastard t]][[{{Hypocrite}} s]][[MoralEventHorizon is]]]], the undoubted God-King of fridge horror in the Pokémon franchise.
** Not necessarily. We all know that it's all but stated that [[spoiler: Ghetsis has reduced his son into a ManChild, and was planning on OffingTheOffspring.]] That's bad enough. However, [[spoiler: Ghetsis]] admits he enjoys it [[DespairEventHorizon when someone loses all hope.]] Which is what [[spoiler: poor N must have felt when Ghetsis revealed he was an UnwittingPawn.]] Meaning there's a very good chance that [[spoiler: Ghetsis]] did this not because YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness or he was angry at his plans being foiled, but [[NightmareFuel because he wanted to make him suffer]] ''[[ForTheEvulz to satisfy his sadism.]]''
** [[SarcasmMode It gets better.]] After defeating [[spoiler: Ghetsis]], three of his servants accost the player in an end-game area and hand over [[spoiler: the Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs, which are used for three legendary Pokemon in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum that are the embodiments of time, space, and chaos.]]. It raises three big questions: 1.) Exactly what plans did the guy have for these things?, 2.) How did he get them?, 3.) What happened to the player character from Diamond/Pearl/Platinum?
*** With the release of X and Y, you can find the [[spoiler: the Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous Orbs]] in the same "room" as [[spoiler: Zygarde]]. Apparently there are quite a few of those things rattling around in the Pokemon world.
** We all know that his Hydreigon is at least 10 levels lower than required to evolve. Zweilous evolves when one of its heads gains dominance over the other. Who's to say he didn't cut off one of its heads?
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* The Flying game in Dream World, which features a Pelipper flying through the sky. Though it needs 3 Water orbs to speed up, it only needs one single Electric one to go ''down'' a speed level. Then it hit me... Pelipper has a ''double weakness'' to Electric. The poor thing gets double as much damage from them.
* A few months ago, it was announced that the Dream World would be shut down in January 2014 for Gen VI and X/Y. Basically, it's an apocalypse counting down for a whole world.
* In the Dream World, sometimes a Spearow will ask to play "Find the Missing Pokémon", looking for a Burmy. Burmy is a Bug-type, and Spearow is a Flying-type bird Pokémon. As the Flying type is strong against the bug type, and baby birds eat bugs...there's a chance the player just helped a Spearow find its next living ''meal!''
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* Bianca. As someone mentioned on the Black 2 & White 2 page, it's very possible that she's near-sighted, and didn't get corrective lenses until after the events of BW. Also, any or all of these may be true, as well:
## She makes an interesting contrast to the protagonist, if you think about it. Where raising Pokémon comes naturally to the protagonist, she's not that good at it and makes mistakes. Where the protagonist's mother trusts them enough to let them explore the world with naught but their Pokémon for protection while they're still a kid, her father feels she's too young to go out on her own and needs to be protected.
## She's closer to what someone that's not as gifted as the protagonist or the champion would be like. Notice how very few trainers in the games are skilled enough to raise full teams at the same time, and can only handle a few Pokémon. The protagonist can easily handle a full six without any problem. Then again, the games never outright state that the protagonist is a prodigy or anything, it's also possible that they're just more motivated to raise full teams than most trainers, or that they have more Pokémon because they explore the world instead of just staying in their own little corner of it.
## Bianca seems to have been intended to be closer to a normal trainer or an average beginner than the protagonist. This works nicely with the protagonist being intended to be a prodigy.
## She might be a space case, too, and a little detached from reality, which would explain a lot. It would also tie into her becoming the professor's assistant in the region where dreams are being researched, even if she's not actually working with the people doing the dream stuff.
* For one thing, when you first face Caitlin in her chamber, she's sleeping and is annoyed at being woken up. That might just seem like a small joke, but think further; what's her specialty type? ''Psychic'', a type that seems associated with sleep/dreaming. Plus, according to HG/SS, Caitlin wasn't good at controlling her psychic powers, and perhaps sleeping is her method of keeping them at bay.



* N's final team (minus his dragon) is heavily implied to be his childhood friends. Keep in mind that these include either Pokemon you can't get in the wild (Zoroark because it requires an event, Carracosta and Archeops are fossils that need to be revived) or generally urban Pokemon (Vanilluxe's first form appears to be farmed for Castelia Cones, and Klinklang is a system of gears). Given N's sheltered upbringing, it would make sense for these to be a part of his main team.
* In the OST, the theme that plays when N appears is called 'The Equated Captives'. When this troper first read that, before I finished the game, I assumed it was a reference to the way N equates all Pokémon as being captives of trainers. But on checking the OST again after finishing it, it became obvious: [[spoiler:the 'equated captive' is N himself! He was kept captive in his room by his father, in order to satisfy an equation for power he had worked out! To drive the idea home, a remix of the theme - 'The Child Of Pokémon, N' -- plays when you visit the room in which he was held captive! This makes even more sense in Japanese -- the language doesn't designate plurals, so you'd go through the game reading the title as 'The Equated Captives', until you reached the end and realized that it was actually 'The Equated Captive', singular!]] - Tropers/ClockStopping
** Another common translation for that track is "One Captivated by Formulae". This can of course allude to N's general [[MadMathematician interest in mathematics]], but then again, also stand for [[spoiler:his near-obsession with finding the "equitation that changes the world" (i.e. freeing the Pokémon). And then of course, him being held captive by his father in the Plasma castle is still valid too]].
** [[spoiler:The English title to the song, "Prisoner to a Formula," means the same thing. N is the prisoner (in the room) for Ghetsis's formula for power.]]
* N is this so much. His party changes each time, because he's the leader of a Pokémon Rights Group which doesn't believe in keeping Pokémon. When this philosophy begins to break down, he appears to keep a Pokémon and even evolve it. His full name is Natural Harmonia Gropius. N and Harmonia creates "enharmonic". N is an empty variable, the same as the character is an empty variable in Team Plasma's plot. N means natural number, and he's a mathematician. The Menger Sponge around his belt has infinite value (N becomes king) and no value (he's a figurehead) at the same time. It seems like N was designed just to radiate this trope.
* N throughout the game goes from polite (though somewhat creepy) to increasingly confrontational and belligerent. It wasn't until beating him for the final time and reading the text that this troper realized: N believes that all Trainers abuse Pokemon and that Pokemon would be happier being free. But all he's encountered since he started travelling was Trainers and Pokemon getting along. He's been suffering from a VillainousBreakdown throughout the game!
* When you fight N in his castle, his respective dragon is at level 52. Your dragon is at level 50. N was [[CurbStompBattle curbstomping]] the Elite 4 and Alder before you arrived, so it'd make sense that he'd gain enough experience points from beating them to level up once or twice.
* A lot of people theorize N's use of new Pokemon each time you see him as part of him "playing" a Nuzlocke, even going so far as saying that the N in his name even stands for Nuzlocke. At first, I figured this was total garbage. A Nuzlocke is a self-imposed challenge where you have to catch the first Pokemon you run into in every route, and a Pokemon dies if it faints. Why would N, who cares deeply for Pokemon and even believes capturing them is evil, adopt the idea that fainting equals dying just for the challenge and thrill? But then I realized that a Nuzlocke would seem totally different if viewed in the context of the Pokemon world. Pokemon don't actually die in Nuzlockes, and instead players usually release them when they faint. This, combined with the nicknames and the fact that players can't play favorites with wild Pokemon translates to a trainer in-game who doesn't base which Pokemon they use on skill or personal preference, nicknames all their Pokemon to grow closer to them, and holds themselves to a code of honor where, if they allow one of their Pokemon to faint even once, THEY WILL RELEASE IT BACK INTO THE WILD IMMEDIATELY AND NEVER FORCE IT TO BATTLE AGAIN. While it's highly unlikely that the developers intentionally based N's battles around the concept of Nuzlocke runs, this sort of mentality doesn't sound too out of character for N.
** Calling what he's doing a Nuzlocke run is still a case of CowboyBebopAtHisComputer--The other main rule of Nuzlockes is that you can only catch the first Pokemon you encounter on a route--if you knock it out or don't like it, tough luck. N uses teams of nearly every Pokemon that can be commonly found on the nearby route(s), breaking this rule from the word go. The "refuse to let a Pokemon faint more than once" mentality is still valid for N, it's just more akin to a standard Permadeath(which lacks the capture restrictions) than a full blown Nuzlocke.



* N's final team (minus his dragon) is heavily implied to be his childhood friends. Keep in mind that these include either Pokemon you can't get in the wild (Zoroark because it requires an event, Carracosta and Archeops are fossils that need to be revived) or generally urban Pokemon (Vanilluxe's first form appears to be farmed for Castelia Cones, and Klinklang is a system of gears). Given N's sheltered upbringing, it would make sense for these to be a part of his main team.



* In the OST, the theme that plays when N appears is called 'The Equated Captives'. When this troper first read that, before I finished the game, I assumed it was a reference to the way N equates all Pokémon as being captives of trainers. But on checking the OST again after finishing it, it became obvious: [[spoiler:the 'equated captive' is N himself! He was kept captive in his room by his father, in order to satisfy an equation for power he had worked out! To drive the idea home, a remix of the theme - 'The Child Of Pokémon, N' -- plays when you visit the room in which he was held captive! This makes even more sense in Japanese -- the language doesn't designate plurals, so you'd go through the game reading the title as 'The Equated Captives', until you reached the end and realized that it was actually 'The Equated Captive', singular!]] - Tropers/ClockStopping
** Another common translation for that track is "One Captivated by Formulae". This can of course allude to N's general [[MadMathematician interest in mathematics]], but then again, also stand for [[spoiler:his near-obsession with finding the "equitation that changes the world" (i.e. freeing the Pokémon). And then of course, him being held captive by his father in the Plasma castle is still valid too]].
** [[spoiler:The English title to the song, "Prisoner to a Formula," means the same thing. N is the prisoner (in the room) for Ghetsis's formula for power.]]



* N is this so much. His party changes each time, because he's the leader of a Pokémon Rights Group which doesn't believe in keeping Pokémon. When this philosophy begins to break down, he appears to keep a Pokémon and even evolve it. His full name is Natural Harmonia Gropius. N and Harmonia creates "enharmonic". N is an empty variable, the same as the character is an empty variable in Team Plasma's plot. N means natural number, and he's a mathematician. The Menger Sponge around his belt has infinite value (N becomes king) and no value (he's a figurehead) at the same time. It seems like N was designed just to radiate this trope.
* N throughout the game goes from polite (though somewhat creepy) to increasingly confrontational and belligerent. It wasn't until beating him for the final time and reading the text that this troper realized: N believes that all Trainers abuse Pokemon and that Pokemon would be happier being free. But all he's encountered since he started travelling was Trainers and Pokemon getting along. He's been suffering from a VillainousBreakdown throughout the game!
* I was always somewhat disappointed by the supposed lack of creativity in the Klink line's design until I realised that in the gameverse, gears were based on Klinks!
** Or it's the other way around, and Klink is another tsukomogami-based Pokémon.



* Bianca. As someone mentioned on the Black 2 & White 2 page, it's very possible that she's near-sighted, and didn't get corrective lenses until after the events of BW. Also, any or all of these may be true, as well:
## She makes an interesting contrast to the protagonist, if you think about it. Where raising Pokémon comes naturally to the protagonist, she's not that good at it and makes mistakes. Where the protagonist's mother trusts them enough to let them explore the world with naught but their Pokémon for protection while they're still a kid, her father feels she's too young to go out on her own and needs to be protected.
## She's closer to what someone that's not as gifted as the protagonist or the champion would be like. Notice how very few trainers in the games are skilled enough to raise full teams at the same time, and can only handle a few Pokémon. The protagonist can easily handle a full six without any problem. Then again, the games never outright state that the protagonist is a prodigy or anything, it's also possible that they're just more motivated to raise full teams than most trainers, or that they have more Pokémon because they explore the world instead of just staying in their own little corner of it.
## Bianca seems to have been intended to be closer to a normal trainer or an average beginner than the protagonist. This works nicely with the protagonist being intended to be a prodigy.
## She might be a space case, too, and a little detached from reality, which would explain a lot. It would also tie into her becoming the professor's assistant in the region where dreams are being researched, even if she's not actually working with the people doing the dream stuff.
* When you fight N in his castle, his respective dragon is at level 52. Your dragon is at level 50. N was [[CurbStompBattle curbstomping]] the Elite 4 and Alder before you arrived, so it'd make sense that he'd gain enough experience points from beating them to level up once or twice.



* A lot of people theorize N's use of new Pokemon each time you see him as part of him "playing" a Nuzlocke, even going so far as saying that the N in his name even stands for Nuzlocke. At first, I figured this was total garbage. A Nuzlocke is a self-imposed challenge where you have to catch the first Pokemon you run into in every route, and a Pokemon dies if it faints. Why would N, who cares deeply for Pokemon and even believes capturing them is evil, adopt the idea that fainting equals dying just for the challenge and thrill? But then I realized that a Nuzlocke would seem totally different if viewed in the context of the Pokemon world. Pokemon don't actually die in Nuzlockes, and instead players usually release them when they faint. This, combined with the nicknames and the fact that players can't play favorites with wild Pokemon translates to a trainer in-game who doesn't base which Pokemon they use on skill or personal preference, nicknames all their Pokemon to grow closer to them, and holds themselves to a code of honor where, if they allow one of their Pokemon to faint even once, THEY WILL RELEASE IT BACK INTO THE WILD IMMEDIATELY AND NEVER FORCE IT TO BATTLE AGAIN. While it's highly unlikely that the developers intentionally based N's battles around the concept of Nuzlocke runs, this sort of mentality doesn't sound too out of character for N.
** Calling what he's doing a Nuzlocke run is still a case of CowboyBebopAtHisComputer--The other main rule of Nuzlockes is that you can only catch the first Pokemon you encounter on a route--if you knock it out or don't like it, tough luck. N uses teams of nearly every Pokemon that can be commonly found on the nearby route(s), breaking this rule from the word go. The "refuse to let a Pokemon faint more than once" mentality is still valid for N, it's just more akin to a standard Permadeath(which lacks the capture restrictions) than a full blown Nuzlocke.
* For one thing, when you first face Caitlin in her chamber, she's sleeping and is annoyed at being woken up. That might just seem like a small joke, but think further; what's her specialty type? ''Psychic'', a type that seems associated with sleep/dreaming. Plus, according to HG/SS, Caitlin wasn't good at controlling her psychic powers, and perhaps sleeping is her method of keeping them at bay.
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