History Fridge / PokemonBlackAndWhite

8th Jul '16 11:38:21 AM ParkedCarAnne
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* Durant's Dream World ability is Truant. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Presumably, the "dream world" allows Pokemon to act out their dreams.]] Durant only wants to have a day off. D'awww.
%% Enough with the "true ant" puns, guys.
** It would probably ''need'' a day off, considering how often it gets attacked by Heatmor...
** This could also mean that Pansage, Pansear, and Panpour (plus their evolutions), having Overgrow/Blaze/Torrent as their hidden abilities, just want to be loved as much as the starters. Bet you feel bad for ditching them after the first gym...
** Following that train of thought, Vanilluxe may want to lower its weight, or is S/M considering its hidden ability is Weak Armor.
** This could go with Tornadus and Thundurus wanting to break away from the force of Landorus!
** Also, Scraggy and Scrafty have "Intimidate". The little guys just wanna be perceived as the big, bad [[DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAGangster gangstas]] they are!
** Kangaskhan gets "Inner Focus". Well, the ability to never trip sure comes in handy when you're always carrying a baby.
** Cleffa, Clefairy, Igglybuff, Jigglypuff, and Happiny's; Friend Guard. [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming They just want to help their friends.]]
** Omanyte and Omastar have Weak Armor. Remember the Pokedex entries stating they died out because their shells got too heavy and they couldn't get food?
** Absol has "Justified". [[TheWoobie He wants to finally be seen as a good guy.]]
** Garbodor/Trubbish have Aftermath. [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments They seek VENGEANCE!]]
*** Or maybe that's the consequence of attacking a trash bag. Beat it, they break, and you get covered in crap.
** Nidoking/queen: Sheer Force - they want more power!
** Psyduck: Swift Swim - remember how Misty's Psyduck couldn't swim in the anime?
** Eevee: Anticipation - they wanna know what they're gonna evolve into!
** Teddiursa: Honey Gather - it can be its own supply of honey!
** Raikou/Entei/Suicune: Volt Absorb/Flash Fire/Water Absorb - following the theory they are Jolteon/Flareon/Vaporeon that were revived by Ho-Oh, they want to be like their previous, better, life.
** Banette: Cursed Body - It just wants to hurt everything it comes in contact with.
** Perhaps this belongs in the FridgeHorror section, but Slowpoke gets Regenerator. Let that sink in.[[note]]Slowpoke tails are considered delicacies in and around Kanto/Johto.[[/note]]
** Paras and Parasect get Damp -- Dry Skin (and 5x weakness) no more!
*** Mushrooms grow better in damp environments than dry ones.
** Onix gets Weak Armor. [[FakeUltimateMook Now why does that sound familiar?]]
** Caterpie, Weedle and Wurmple all got Run Away... [[WhatTheHellHero The guilt trip works...]]
** Qwilfish gets Intimidate. Oddly hilarious (and kind of adorable) from a puffer fish.
** Corsola gets Regenerator, too -- well, it IS based on coral!
** Smeargle's Moody is worth a laugh, too. As cliche (and [[GameBreaker broken]]) as it is, there's a reason the phrase "Temperamental artist" exists...
** Goldeen and Seaking both get Lightningrod, referencing the "AIM FOR THE HORN" incident from the anime.
** Toxicroak gets Poison Touch - It wants more effective poison. -shiver-
** Cubone and Marowak get Battle Armor. The bones of their mothers now protect them even more.
** Ekans and Arbok get [[WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes Unnerve]]
** Pawniard has Pressure. It's giving in to the pressure of the group.
** Accelgor has Unburden. It isn't burdened by the shell that restricted its speed!
** Stunfisk has Sand Veil. It references the fact it hides under the seabed to shock people.
** Chandelure has Shadow Tag. It doesn't want its prey to escape...
** Volcarona has Swarm. The poor guy just wants some friends.
** Politoed and Ninetales get Drizzle and Drought respectively. They just wanted to be used more by players.
** Abomasnow has Soundproof because loud noises cause avalanches.
** We're still not sure why Metagross gets Light Metal, considering it uses its weight to hunt...
*** As computers (or supercomputers, like Metagross is said to be) are redesigned and upgraded through the years, they become lighter -- compare a 1950s computer to a {{Mac}}Book Air.
** As for legendaries:
*** Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres. Articuno has Snow Cloak (it causes blizzards), Zapdos has Lightningrod (it lives in thunderclouds) and Moltres has Flame Body (it's WreathedInFlames!)
*** Mewtwo has Unnerve. Well, it was designed to be the most powerful Pokemon, and had all Red/Blue trainers quaking in their booties.
*** Ho-oh has Regenerator. It "regenerated" the legendary beasts from death.
*** Landorus has Sheer Force. It's showing that it's the boss!

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* Durant's Dream World ability is Truant. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Presumably, the "dream world" allows Pokemon to act out their dreams.]] Durant only wants to have a day off. D'awww.
%% Enough with the "true ant" puns, guys.
**
It would probably ''need'' a day off, considering how often it gets attacked by Heatmor...
** * This could also mean that Pansage, Pansear, and Panpour (plus their evolutions), having Overgrow/Blaze/Torrent as their hidden abilities, just want to be loved as much as the starters. Bet you feel bad for ditching them after the first gym...
** * Following that train of thought, Vanilluxe may want to lower its weight, or is S/M weight considering its hidden ability is Weak Armor.
** * This could go with Tornadus and Thundurus wanting to break away from the force of Landorus!
** * Also, Scraggy and Scrafty have "Intimidate". The little guys just wanna be perceived as the big, bad [[DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAGangster gangstas]] they are!
** * Kangaskhan gets "Inner Focus". Well, the ability to never trip sure comes in handy when you're always carrying a baby.
** * Cleffa, Clefairy, Igglybuff, Jigglypuff, and Happiny's; Friend Guard. [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming They just want to help their friends.]]
** * Omanyte and Omastar have Weak Armor. Remember the Pokedex entries stating they died out because their shells got too heavy and they couldn't get food?
** * Absol has "Justified". [[TheWoobie He wants to finally be seen as a good guy.]]
**
guy]] since it's always getting blamed for causing disasters.
*
Garbodor/Trubbish have Aftermath. [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments They seek VENGEANCE!]]
*** Or maybe that's the consequence of attacking
If you attack a trash bag. Beat it, they break, bag (especially one filled to bursting like Trubbish), it will break and you get will be covered in crap.
**
waste (and smell of it), which is the aftermath.
*
Nidoking/queen: Sheer Force - they want more power!
** * Psyduck: Swift Swim - remember how Misty's Psyduck couldn't swim in the anime?
** * Eevee: Anticipation - they wanna know what they're gonna evolve into!
** * Teddiursa: Honey Gather - it can be its own supply of honey!
** * Raikou/Entei/Suicune: Volt Absorb/Flash Fire/Water Absorb - following the theory they are Jolteon/Flareon/Vaporeon that were revived by Ho-Oh, they want to be like their previous, better, better life.
** * Banette: Cursed Body - It just wants to hurt everything it comes in contact with.
**
with, since it is seeking revenge for being discarded.
*
Perhaps this belongs in the FridgeHorror section, but Slowpoke gets Regenerator. Let that sink in.[[note]]Slowpoke tails are considered delicacies in and around Kanto/Johto.[[/note]]
**
Also, most animals have the ability to regenerate lost body parts[[/note]]
*
Paras and Parasect get Damp -- Dry Skin (and its infamouss 5x weakness) no more!
*** Mushrooms ** Also, mushrooms grow better in damp environments than dry ones.
** * Onix gets Weak Armor. [[FakeUltimateMook Now why does that sound familiar?]]
** * Caterpie, Weedle and Wurmple all got Run Away... [[WhatTheHellHero The guilt trip works...]]
** * Qwilfish gets Intimidate. Oddly hilarious (and kind of adorable) from a puffer fish.
** * Corsola gets Regenerator, too -- well, it IS based on coral!
**
coral and coral does regenerate when broken.
*
Smeargle's Moody is worth a laugh, too. As cliche cliché (and [[GameBreaker broken]]) as it is, there's a reason it makes sense due to the phrase "Temperamental stereotypical "tempermental artist" exists...
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character type. Smeargle already has the "artist" part down...
*
Goldeen and Seaking both get Lightningrod, referencing the "AIM FOR THE HORN" incident from the anime.
** * Toxicroak gets Poison Touch - It wants more effective poison. -shiver-
** * Cubone and Marowak get Battle Armor. The (alleged) bones of their mothers now protect them even more.
** * Ekans and Arbok get [[WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes Unnerve]]
** * Pawniard has Pressure. It's giving in to the pressure of the group.
** * Accelgor has Unburden. It isn't burdened by the shell that restricted its speed!
** * Stunfisk has Sand Veil. It references the fact it hides under the seabed to shock people.
** * Chandelure has Shadow Tag. It doesn't want its prey to escape...
** * Volcarona has Swarm. The poor guy just wants some friends.
** * Politoed and Ninetales get Drizzle and Drought respectively. They just wanted to be used more by players.
** * Abomasnow has Soundproof because loud noises cause avalanches.
** * We're still not sure why Metagross gets Light Metal, considering it uses its weight to hunt...
*** ** As computers (or supercomputers, like Metagross is said to be) are redesigned and upgraded through the years, they become lighter and smaller -- compare a big, room-sized 1950s computer to something like a {{Mac}}Book Air.Air, which can easily fit in your schoolbag.
** * As for legendaries:
*** ** Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres. Articuno has Snow Cloak (it causes blizzards), Zapdos has Lightningrod (it lives in thunderclouds) and Moltres has Flame Body (it's WreathedInFlames!)
*** ** Mewtwo has Unnerve. Well, it was designed to be the most powerful Pokemon, and had all Red/Blue trainers quaking in their booties.
*** ** Ho-oh has Regenerator. It "regenerated" the legendary beasts from death.
*** ** Landorus has Sheer Force. It's showing that it's the boss!
6th Jun '16 9:54:04 AM treehugger0369
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** Calling what he's doing a Nuzlocke run is still a case of CowboyBebopAtHisComputer--The other main rule of Nuzlockes is that you can only catch the first Pokemon you encounter on a route--if you knock it out or don't like it, tough luck. N uses teams of nearly every Pokemon that can be commonly found on the nearby route(s), breaking this rule from the word go. The "refuse to let a Pokemon faint more than once" mentality is still valid for N, it's just more akin to a standard Permadeath(which lacks the capture restrictions) than a full blown Nuzlocke.
17th May '16 3:13:57 AM sweetstuff6789
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** Hell, just Ghetsis' plans in general. Just look at his big one in the game: [[spoiler:Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon and that all Pokemon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon army headed by the legendary Pokemon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon get added to his forces. The more Pok

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** Hell, just Ghetsis' plans in general. Just look at his big one in the game: [[spoiler:Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon and that all Pokemon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon army headed by the legendary Pokemon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon get added to his forces. The more PokPokemon, the more power, and with enough power, Ghetsis could take over the entire world, bringing about a Dystopian new world order in which he, as the ruler who is the only one allowed to have and use Pokemon, has unlimited influence, privilege, and control over everything that lives and is free to oppress and suppress everyone by using threat of force via his supepowered mons. And the reason for all this? He felt entitled to it.]]
*** Let's say for a minute the Plasma plan went through and Ghetsis took over Unova. Short of a more moderate replacement succeeding him, the only way his dominion would end is if people took the law into their own hands and violently deposed him with "illegal" Pokemon or if a more malicious power moved in and destroyed Team Plasma. Such a violent revolution would strain human-Pokemon relations and cause them to leave or savage the region, and there's at least ''one'' villainous group out there with no qualms about attacking trainers. Seeing the potential for [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] to expand into a disarmed Unova, whether they were behind Team Plasma's operations or not, was how I knew [[AntiVillain N]] was [[UnwittingPawn a tool from the start]].
*** And if Ghetsis did take over Unova, the entire economy of Unova would be a wreck, since everything revolves around Pokemon.
*** As dictator of not just Unova but the entire world, Ghetsis would turn the world into one where every day was one of suffering under his reign - a world where your oppressors have all the power to harm you and keep you in line (as the only ones able to use Pokemon) and you lack the power to fight back, and are thus made to feel enslaved in this dystopian world order. It's a FateWorseThanDeath, arguably as horrific as Cyrus' vision for the world, if not moreso seeing as here you'd keep your emotions and would thus feel every last bit of pain.
*** '''WARNING''': Major guessing ahead. Consider why he had those items. One could make the argument that he had them because he was trying to attain [[spoiler:the Creation trio]] to kill anyone in his way. This presents 2 flaws: Ghetsis could use any legendary to do this, and you don't [[spoiler: need the orbs to get the Creation trio]]. In addition, the killing of a trainer is likely to spark a revolt. But remember what the legendaries he was trying to acquire are capable of. This implies three things. One: [[spoiler:Ghetsis is willing to erase people from existence to continue his plans]]. Two: [[spoiler:He only gave you the orbs because he knows they are useless to both him and the player character]]. Three: [[spoiler:He wants to [[AGodAmI become God]], [[DimensionLord rule over the cosmos as a despot]] and maybe even [[MultiversalConqueror go beyond that.]]]]
*** I'm going to throw my own slightly less alarmist theory into the mix here: Ghetsis states at the end of the game that [[spoiler:he is the one who awakened Reshiram/Zekrom]] along with [[spoiler:manipulating events]] so that N would actively seek it and thus become the hero [[spoiler:Ghetsis needed to take control]]. We know that the legendary yin/yang dragons are awakened both by the presence of their hero AND [[spoiler:the specific stone needed to awaken them]], according to whichever version you're playing. We also know that Team Plasma were delving into absolutely any leads they could find on the dragons, as their appearance at the Nacrene Gym shows us. If Team Plasma were seeking out any methods they could find to try and awaken the dragons, perhaps Ghetsis came across the [[spoiler:orbs]] whilst seeking the [[spoiler:yin/yang stones]] and thought they might be the items he desired, which they obviously proved not to be. Bear in mind that the region of Unova and its people don't know a great deal about Pokemon from distant lands; perhaps Ghetsis thought the [[spoiler:orbs]] were worthless when they did not [[spoiler:awaken Reshiram/Zekrom]] and so had little trouble casting them off to the player. I'm sure a third version of the game with an extended post-game story will put the theories to rest in time, but just in case this one is right, everyone should really be thankful that Ghetsis never learned [[spoiler:which [[PhysicalGod "dragons"]] the orbs were connected to]]...
* Many of the quotes randomly generated by opponents in the Battle Subway are surprisingly humorous, deep, and - yes - terrifying. Including this gem of a quote from a subway worker:
-->"I've never left this place even once since I was born."
* It's revealed near the end that the Pokemon that Team Plasma stole [[spoiler:were actually enslaved and forced to build their castle. Now keep in mind that N grew up with abused Pokemon. [[NightmareFuel How many of those "playmates" of his also doubled as slave labour for Ghetsis, who likely saw the convenience in this plan?]]]]
* One of the Seven Sages mentions that [[spoiler:N might not be related to Ghetsis. Then where did N come from?]]
** And also, [[spoiler:where did his real parents go?]]
** If you think about it, this might be the less unpleasant option. Assuming that N ''is'' [[spoiler:related to Ghetsis, who did Ghetsis fuck to produce a child, [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes and in what way]]? And worse, there's no hint of N having a mother anywhere. '''''Where did she go?''''']]
*** '''''[[spoiler:N's mother is Concordia.]]'''''
**** I'm pretty sure that one hasn't been confirmed yet.
***** But it would make a hell of a lot of sense.
** Speaking of N's lineage, let's look at his powers for a moment: He talks to Pokemon, yes, but he says in the final speech he heard your Pokemon's voices the first time he met you, where you don't seem to have a Pokemon out of its ball. This might imply, say, telepathy. I think everyone knows about a [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire green-haired, humanoid psychic type]], yes? Now, consider two things about Ghetsis. First, it's pretty clear he wouldn't be averse to horribly mistreating a Pokemon if it'd further his goals. Second, Ghetsis has red eyes, green hair and sociopathy on levels previously unknown to mankind. [[ThePokemonStory I wonder what could produce a combination like that...]] Maybe N gets his telepathy from his grandmother's side?
*** Thank almighty Arceus this is an impossibility. Misty appeared in that ''fanfic'', and Ghetsis would've been born decades before her.
* [[spoiler:Ghetsis himself admits]] "The moment when someone loses all hope... I really do love to watch that moment." Now consider [[spoiler:when he revealed to N that he was an UnwittingPawn, crushing his hopes and dreams.]] The implications is that this MoralEventHorizon wasn't just done out of anger, ''[[ForTheEvulz but sadism.]]'' Indeed, [[spoiler:N's entire life of being manipulated]] could've been [[spoiler:something Ghetsis ''was turned on by.'']] He may have [[MindRape mindraped]] [[spoiler:his own son]] without him even knowing it.
** In general, Ghetsis' sadism is disturbing, but it becomes moreso when you consider that many of the things he does, in both games, can be considered forms of torture - physical torture (his Pokemon abuse, what he does to Kyurem and has Kyurem do to Unova, commanding Kyurem use Glaciate on a human child), emotional torture (his treatment of N and what he has Team Plasma put a lot of people through), and even psychological torture (towards N and to an extent all the masses of Unova through his plan with the freezeover of the entire region). And when you look at his Pokemon team, all of his Pokemon seem to be tailor-made for use as living torture weapons on his enemies and their Pokemon. Team Plasma's initial medieval style might also be part of this, seeing as brutality and torture chambers were big in the middle ages.
* You ever wonder why N has a OneLetterName? [[spoiler:Or ''what the hell happened to A through M?'']]
** Alternatively: What does N stand for? Null? No-one? Nothing? Nobody?
*** Or the calculus variable n, making N [[spoiler:just a variable in Ghetsis' perfect formula, less predictable than Ghetsis would have liked but unfortunately necessary to complete the equation. And N does like math...]]
*** Also, [[spoiler:giving his son (if N really IS his) a OneLetterName could just be Ghetsis's first step in dehumanizing N.]]
*** [[JossedTrope Jossed.]] His name is N[[spoiler:atural Harmonia Gropius.]] [[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Junichi_Masuda_reveals_information_on_N Confimed here.]]
**** Yes, but he refers to himself as N. Giving him [[spoiler:an actual name]] may have been so people don't get suspicious, so he can eventually dehumanize N.
* The Black version Pokédex states that Cofagrigus's favorite food is gold nuggets; the White version Pokédex states that its body made of pure gold. Who's to say that it hasn't tried to eat its own kind... or itself?
** All the food we eat is carbon based, and we're also made of carbon. [[InsaneTrollLogic Why don't we eat ourselves then?]]
*** Because we neither eat raw carbon or are made of raw carbon. [[labelnote:side note...]]why are we considered carbon based when we're something like 75% water, which has no carbon? Not that it really matters in this discussion...[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:RE side note]] As a very simple explanation, carbon-based simply means that we're held together primarily by interactions of carbon-loaded molecules, not that we're made of "raw carbon" or anything like that. Same goes for (as far as I'm aware) every other living or once-living thing on this planet.[[/labelnote]]
** Probably not itself, since the gold it eats reinforces its body.
* Speaking of Yamask and Cofagrigus... Yamasks were originally humans that got mummified, keeping their human faces as a masks. They evolve into Cofagrigi, Pokémon that swallow humans whole and turn them into mummies, probably more Yamasks. This could very well be their natural way of multiplying...
** Your Yamask/Cofagrigus can breed with other Ghost type Pokemon. [[BestialityIsDepraved Imagine what it's thinking...]]
** You know the already sketchy ethics with Pokebattles. Using [[WasOnceAMan Yamask]] in battle takes those UnfortunateImplications, and ''multiplies it.''
*** Capturing and enslaving a human soul is horrific enough, but what if you captured it from the aforementioned Relic Castle? [[WhatTheHellHero You just enslaved the tortured soul of a civilian who lost their life in a horrible terrorist attack and made it fight for you!]]
**** Even worse, [[HumansAreBastards nobody calls you]] [[CrapsaccharineWorld out for it.]]
***** Ghetsis has one. The above make this horror in itself.
****** Given that Ghetsis' Shadow Triad have UndyingLoyalty to him, what's to stop Ghetsis from having them entomb his remains so ''he'' can become a Cofagrigus himself? Given [[spoiler:no-one's managed to catch him even in the sequel]], expect [[NightmareFuel your protagonist to be haunted...]]
* Deino starts off with one head, then evolves into Zweilous, who has two heads that hate each other. Zweilous evolves into Hydreigon -- who only has ''one'' brain and two brainless heads for hands.
** I actually find that thought hilarious. Two quarreling heads? It's like they were brainless to begin with!
** FridgeHorror returns -- judging by their behaviour, one may end up [[TooDumbToLive killing the other.]] Leaving a single brain. Would it be stunted, or evolve? Ghetsis [[FridgeHorror has]] [[NightmareFuel a]] [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Lv 54]] [[OmnicidalManiac Hydreigon.]]
** What if Hydreigon's main head is a new one? That wouldn't require one of Zweilous's heads to kill the other... But on the other hand, it would mean that the two [[BuffySpeak hand-heads]] are Zweilous's heads, so [[BodyHorror it loses]] ''both'' its old brains.
* The TM for Toxic is found in the shallows in the middle of a mostly water route. A water route full of Ghost jellyfish.
* One trainer on Route 15 says that she's looking for Pokemon that have escaped from the Poke Transfer Lab. Notice how the whole northeast of Unova is full of Gen I-IV Pokemon. Yes, that's right: Unova's being overrun by invasive species that are probably wreaking havoc on the ecosystem now [[WhatTheHellPlayer because you wanted to keep the Pokemon from your old games.]]
** Except they're there before you ever do any transferring, so... yeah, not the player's fault.
*** Probably brought there by other trainers. Which raises the question, ''what happened to the previous-gen regions you traded foreign Pokemon into?''
* When you get to the pool in Crater Forest, Kyurem freezes the entire place, covering everything in snow. ''How many Pokemon died from hypothermia/suffocation when that blizzard hit?''
** Probably not that many; most of the Pokemon found there probably wouldn't be affected by a harsh change in temperature (Lunatone/Solrock, Metang/Metagross, Piloswine/Mamoswine), and Ditto can change its form to match the temperature. Clefairies/Clefables probably have thick fur to insulate them from the cold.
*** Clefairy and Clefable are from space. It's not exactly known for its heat...
*** And so we get back to ''suffocation''.
*** Mmhmm, sorry, I forgot about that.
**** Magic Guard. Many Clefairies and Clefables presumably cannot suffocate. Besides, we've known for a long time that Pokemon aren't easy to keep consistently Frozen.
***** How do we know that that Kyurem hasn't frozen the forest before, and that's the reason why there are only pokemon that could survive a freeze?
* The Flying game in Dream World, which features a Pelipper flying through the sky. Though it needs 3 Water orbs to speed up, it only needs one single Electric one to go ''down'' a speed level. Then it hit me... Pelipper has a ''double weakness'' to Electric. The poor thing gets double as much damage from them.
* The entire Solosis line can learn Explosion by TM. Those Pokemon are based on developing embryos. [[NightmareFuel You're basically teaching your Pokemon to abort itself.]] [[WhatTheHellPlayer Nice job, kid.]]
** Made worse by the fact that the game takes place in Unova, which is said to be like America, where abortion is considered a hot-button topic (right to life vs. pro-choice).
** Except the line is more based on a general cell division, rather than embryos. [[note]]On another note, Explosion and Self-Destruct are described as a large release of energy that tires the Pokémon out too much to battle, not physically bursting into pieces. Don't know quite how that would translate to actual cells, but you get the idea.[[/note]]
*** The Explosion-Solosis connection doesn't come from dividing cells, but dividing ''atoms''. [[IncrediblyLamePun Nuclear]] [[GeniusBonus fission]], anyone?
** Yeah, Solosis is outright called the "mitosis" Pokémon in the 'dex. Not abortion at all.
* This one came up after this troper finished getting a Castelia Cone in Castelia City. Basically, the Castelia Cone is ice cream that looks too similar to Vanillite. The stand where you buy these ice cream cones are opened from the spring to the fall season before it closes up in the winter because of the coldness of the weather. However, winter is also the season where Vanillite appear more in the wild because of the weather. This troper thinks that the owner of the stand leaves during the winter to capture more Vanillite and serve them to people when it's spring again. To add to this, if the player were to watch the TV, there will be one instance where there is a girl that talks about buying a Castelia Cone but then it came alive and ran away. Basically, humans are eating Vanillite and are re-stocking when they come out to play.
** That's not so bad. Pokemon are seen as both allies and food if need be.
** You use Castelia Cones like full heals. Think about that. [[IAmAHumanitarian You can feed it to your Vanillite.]] [[WhatTheHellHero Smooth]].
** Alternatively - the Vanillite come from the cones, not the other way around. There have been tsukumogami-(inanimate objects that become animate creatures) based Pokemon since the first generation, and Unova has several that come from various sources. It wouldn't be that big of a stretch to say that the Castelia Cones are so magically delicious and well-loved that they occasionally gain sentience. The owner probably keeps them in the freezer throughout the warm seasons so they won't melt, then goes on a journey in the winter to release them all around Unova once it's cold enough for them to travel comfortably.
** Actually, Vanillite looking like ice cream doesn't necessarily translate to it ''tasting'' like ice cream. Even if it's body is ice-based, it could just taste like regular ice, which is basically flavorless. Even if they're sweetening it or adding flavor, killing Vanillite to make them is pointless, as you could just use normal ice for effectively the same product. Although, if you really want to draw a connection between the two, you might be able to put forth the idea that the Vanillite are creating the ice cream themselves.
*** Here's a whole new level of horror for you: every winter, the Castelia Cone stand owner goes and captures a bunch of Vanillite. Then he forces them to make ice for his cones work nonstop through the rest of the year. The following winter, the owner has to go capture more Vanillite because ''he's worked them to death''. The odd Castelia Cone being a Vanillite in disguise happens when one of his ice-making slaves escapes by disguising itself as the product.
** Alternately, a [[NightmareRetardant much less creepy]] idea is that Casteliacones are just purposefully shaped like Vanillite because they're [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter so cute]] and popular. The shop shuts down in winter because it's too cold to eat ice cream, not because they need to go farm for Vanillite.
** Casteliacones could've just been made out of Moomoo Milks, you know.
* So, what did Team Plasma want with that Munna's Dream Mist again? Oh, right, they wanted to use it to brainwash the people of Unova into releasing their Pokemon and joining Team Plasma. If that had worked, [[spoiler: Ghetsis would have an unstoppable brainwashed army, which he could continually replenish and expand by harvesting more Dream Mist from Munna to brainwash new "recruits".]] [[NightmareFuel You're welcome.]]
* There's an unpleasant foreshadowing for the sequels in Fridge Brilliance above. Absol is found outside the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist not to enter. Fast forward to the sequels... (Continued on the [[Fridge/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 fridge page for those games]].)
* In the graveyard of the Celestial Tower, Litwick are present there. Litwick's final evolution, Chandelure, [[YourSoulIsMine steals souls and burns them up.]] [[FateWorseThanDeath I wonder]] [[CessationOfExistence why you find them in a gravesite?]]
* A few months ago, it was announced that the Dream World would be shut down in January 2014 for Gen VI and X/Y. Basically, it's an apocalypse counting down for a whole world.

For FridgeLogic, see [[Headscratchers/PokemonBlackAndWhite Headscratchers/PokemonBlackAndWhite]].
22nd Mar '16 7:16:43 PM TauCeti
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** Plus, it seems that Pidove adopted a louder cry to be heard over city noise. It's confirmed: Darwinian evolution exists in that universe.


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* For one thing, when you first face Caitlin in her chamber, she's sleeping and is annoyed at being woken up. That might just seem like a small joke, but think further; what's her specialty type? ''Psychic'', a type that seems associated with sleep/dreaming. Plus, according to HG/SS, Caitlin wasn't good at controlling her psychic powers, and perhaps sleeping is her method of keeping them at bay.
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* A lot of people theorize N's use of new Pokemon each time you see him as part of him "playing" a Nuzlocke, even going so far as saying that the N in his name even stands for Nuzlocke. At first, I figured this was total garbage. A Nuzlocke is a self-imposed challenge where you have to catch the first Pokemon you run into in every route, and a Pokemon dies if it faints. Why would N, who cares deeply for Pokemon and even believes capturing them is evil, adopt the idea that fainting equals dying just for the challenge and thrill? But then I realized that a Nuzlocke would seem totally different if viewed in the context of the Pokemon world. Pokemon don't actually die in Nuzlockes, and instead players usually release them when they faint. This, combined with the nicknames and the fact that players can't play favorites with wild Pokemon translates to a trainer in-game who doesn't base which Pokemon they use on skill or personal preference, nicknames all their Pokemon to grow closer to them, and holds themselves to a code of honor where, if they allow one of their Pokemon to faint even once, THEY WILL RELEASE IT BACK INTO THE WILD IMMEDIATELY AND NEVER FORCE IT TO BATTLE AGAIN. While it's highly unlikely that the developers intentionally based N's battles around the concept of Nuzlocke runs, this sort of mentality doesn't sound too out of character for N.
17th Feb '16 7:15:24 PM OrangenChan
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* The Light/Dark Stone is mentioned in the legend of Reshiram/Zekrom, yet it's in the Nacrene Museum and nobody knows what it really is. Is it a continuity error? No. Because it's likely that while it was said that the Pokemon changed into the stones, there were never really pictures of those stones and odds are that history wasn't being recorded all those decades ago and even if it was, the warring heroes likely destroyed a lot of those records. Either that or due to how the legend's just a legend, a museum curator and archeologist wouldn't jump to the conclusion that Reshiram and Zekrom are the Light and Dark stone with such little evidence.

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* The Light/Dark Stone is mentioned in the legend of Reshiram/Zekrom, yet it's in the Nacrene Museum and nobody knows what it really is. Is it a continuity error? No. Because it's likely that while it was said that the Pokemon changed into the stones, there were never really pictures of those stones and odds are that history wasn't being recorded all those decades ago and even if it was, the warring heroes likely destroyed a lot of those records. Either that or due to how the legend's just a legend, a museum curator and archeologist archaeologist wouldn't jump to the conclusion that Reshiram and Zekrom are the Light and Dark stone with such little evidence.evidence.
** Also, the curator might be intentionally brushing off the importance of the stone to keep visitors from trying to walk off with it.
17th Feb '16 7:03:39 PM OrangenChan
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** Also, Cheren fights you a few more times than Bianca does, and his team tends to be slightly higher-leveled than hers (just compare their battles on Route 4 for a good example of this). This reinforces the idea that, while Bianca ''is'' trying, she's still not pushing her team quite as much as Cheren is.



*** Also fitting for a man with a name based on the TRItone, he has THREE horn-like strands of hair.

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*** Also fitting for a man with a name based on the TRItone, ''tri''tone, he has THREE horn-like strands of hair.



** Hell, just Ghetsis' plans in general. Just look at his big one in the game: [[spoiler:Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon and that all Pokemon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon army headed by the legendary Pokemon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon get added to his forces. The more Pokemon, the more power, and with enough power, Ghetsis could take over the entire world, bringing about a Dystopian new world order in which he, as the ruler who is the only one allowed to have and use Pokemon, has unlimited influence, privilege, and control over everything that lives and is free to oppress and suppress everyone by using threat of force via his supepowered mons. And the reason for all this? He felt entitled to it.]]
*** Let's say for a minute the Plasma plan went through and Ghetsis took over Unova. Short of a more moderate replacement succeeding him, the only way his dominion would end is if people took the law into their own hands and violently deposed him with "illegal" Pokemon or if a more malicious power moved in and destroyed Team Plasma. Such a violent revolution would strain human-Pokemon relations and cause them to leave or savage the region, and there's at least ''one'' villainous group out there with no qualms about attacking trainers. Seeing the potential for [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] to expand into a disarmed Unova, whether they were behind Team Plasma's operations or not, was how I knew [[AntiVillain N]] was [[UnwittingPawn a tool from the start]].
*** And if Ghetsis did take over Unova, the entire economy of Unova would be a wreck, since everything revolves around Pokemon.
*** As dictator of not just Unova but the entire world, Ghetsis would turn the world into one where every day was one of suffering under his reign - a world where your oppressors have all the power to harm you and keep you in line (as the only ones able to use Pokemon) and you lack the power to fight back, and are thus made to feel enslaved in this dystopian world order. It's a FateWorseThanDeath, arguably as horrific as Cyrus' vision for the world, if not moreso seeing as here you'd keep your emotions and would thus feel every last bit of pain.
*** '''WARNING''': Major guessing ahead. Consider why he had those items. One could make the argument that he had them because he was trying to attain [[spoiler:the Creation trio]] to kill anyone in his way. This presents 2 flaws: Ghetsis could use any legendary to do this, and you don't [[spoiler: need the orbs to get the Creation trio]]. In addition, the killing of a trainer is likely to spark a revolt. But remember what the legendaries he was trying to acquire are capable of. This implies three things. One: [[spoiler:Ghetsis is willing to erase people from existence to continue his plans]]. Two: [[spoiler:He only gave you the orbs because he knows they are useless to both him and the player character]]. Three: [[spoiler:He wants to [[AGodAmI become God]], [[DimensionLord rule over the cosmos as a despot]] and maybe even [[MultiversalConqueror go beyond that.]]]]
*** I'm going to throw my own slightly less alarmist theory into the mix here: Ghetsis states at the end of the game that [[spoiler:he is the one who awakened Reshiram/Zekrom]] along with [[spoiler:manipulating events]] so that N would actively seek it and thus become the hero [[spoiler:Ghetsis needed to take control]]. We know that the legendary yin/yang dragons are awakened both by the presence of their hero AND [[spoiler:the specific stone needed to awaken them]], according to whichever version you're playing. We also know that Team Plasma were delving into absolutely any leads they could find on the dragons, as their appearance at the Nacrene Gym shows us. If Team Plasma were seeking out any methods they could find to try and awaken the dragons, perhaps Ghetsis came across the [[spoiler:orbs]] whilst seeking the [[spoiler:yin/yang stones]] and thought they might be the items he desired, which they obviously proved not to be. Bear in mind that the region of Unova and its people don't know a great deal about Pokemon from distant lands; perhaps Ghetsis thought the [[spoiler:orbs]] were worthless when they did not [[spoiler:awaken Reshiram/Zekrom]] and so had little trouble casting them off to the player. I'm sure a third version of the game with an extended post-game story will put the theories to rest in time, but just in case this one is right, everyone should really be thankful that Ghetsis never learned [[spoiler:which [[PhysicalGod "dragons"]] the orbs were connected to]]...
* Many of the quotes randomly generated by opponents in the Battle Subway are surprisingly humorous, deep, and - yes - terrifying. Including this gem of a quote from a subway worker:
-->"I've never left this place even once since I was born."
* It's revealed near the end that the Pokemon that Team Plasma stole [[spoiler:were actually enslaved and forced to build their castle. Now keep in mind that N grew up with abused Pokemon. [[NightmareFuel How many of those "playmates" of his also doubled as slave labour for Ghetsis, who likely saw the convenience in this plan?]]]]
* One of the Seven Sages mentions that [[spoiler:N might not be related to Ghetsis. Then where did N come from?]]
** And also, [[spoiler:where did his real parents go?]]
** If you think about it, this might be the less unpleasant option. Assuming that N ''is'' [[spoiler:related to Ghetsis, who did Ghetsis fuck to produce a child, [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes and in what way]]? And worse, there's no hint of N having a mother anywhere. '''''Where did she go?''''']]
*** '''''[[spoiler:N's mother is Concordia.]]'''''
**** I'm pretty sure that one hasn't been confirmed yet.
***** But it would make a hell of a lot of sense.
** Speaking of N's lineage, let's look at his powers for a moment: He talks to Pokemon, yes, but he says in the final speech he heard your Pokemon's voices the first time he met you, where you don't seem to have a Pokemon out of its ball. This might imply, say, telepathy. I think everyone knows about a [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire green-haired, humanoid psychic type]], yes? Now, consider two things about Ghetsis. First, it's pretty clear he wouldn't be averse to horribly mistreating a Pokemon if it'd further his goals. Second, Ghetsis has red eyes, green hair and sociopathy on levels previously unknown to mankind. [[ThePokemonStory I wonder what could produce a combination like that...]] Maybe N gets his telepathy from his grandmother's side?
*** Thank almighty Arceus this is an impossibility. Misty appeared in that ''fanfic'', and Ghetsis would've been born decades before her.
* [[spoiler:Ghetsis himself admits]] "The moment when someone loses all hope... I really do love to watch that moment." Now consider [[spoiler:when he revealed to N that he was an UnwittingPawn, crushing his hopes and dreams.]] The implications is that this MoralEventHorizon wasn't just done out of anger, ''[[ForTheEvulz but sadism.]]'' Indeed, [[spoiler:N's entire life of being manipulated]] could've been [[spoiler:something Ghetsis ''was turned on by.'']] He may have [[MindRape mindraped]] [[spoiler:his own son]] without him even knowing it.
** In general, Ghetsis' sadism is disturbing, but it becomes moreso when you consider that many of the things he does, in both games, can be considered forms of torture - physical torture (his Pokemon abuse, what he does to Kyurem and has Kyurem do to Unova, commanding Kyurem use Glaciate on a human child), emotional torture (his treatment of N and what he has Team Plasma put a lot of people through), and even psychological torture (towards N and to an extent all the masses of Unova through his plan with the freezeover of the entire region). And when you look at his Pokemon team, all of his Pokemon seem to be tailor-made for use as living torture weapons on his enemies and their Pokemon. Team Plasma's initial medieval style might also be part of this, seeing as brutality and torture chambers were big in the middle ages.
* You ever wonder why N has a OneLetterName? [[spoiler:Or ''what the hell happened to A through M?'']]
** Alternatively: What does N stand for? Null? No-one? Nothing? Nobody?
*** Or the calculus variable n, making N [[spoiler:just a variable in Ghetsis' perfect formula, less predictable than Ghetsis would have liked but unfortunately necessary to complete the equation. And N does like math...]]
*** Also, [[spoiler:giving his son (if N really IS his) a OneLetterName could just be Ghetsis's first step in dehumanizing N.]]
*** [[JossedTrope Jossed.]] His name is N[[spoiler:atural Harmonia Gropius.]] [[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Junichi_Masuda_reveals_information_on_N Confimed here.]]
**** Yes, but he refers to himself as N. Giving him [[spoiler:an actual name]] may have been so people don't get suspicious, so he can eventually dehumanize N.
* The Black version Pokédex states that Cofagrigus's favorite food is gold nuggets; the White version Pokédex states that its body made of pure gold. Who's to say that it hasn't tried to eat its own kind... or itself?
** All the food we eat is carbon based, and we're also made of carbon. [[InsaneTrollLogic Why don't we eat ourselves then?]]
*** Because we neither eat raw carbon or are made of raw carbon. [[labelnote:side note...]]why are we considered carbon based when we're something like 75% water, which has no carbon? Not that it really matters in this discussion...[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:RE side note]] As a very simple explanation, carbon-based simply means that we're held together primarily by interactions of carbon-loaded molecules, not that we're made of "raw carbon" or anything like that. Same goes for (as far as I'm aware) every other living or once-living thing on this planet.[[/labelnote]]
** Probably not itself, since the gold it eats reinforces its body.
* Speaking of Yamask and Cofagrigus... Yamasks were originally humans that got mummified, keeping their human faces as a masks. They evolve into Cofagrigi, Pokémon that swallow humans whole and turn them into mummies, probably more Yamasks. This could very well be their natural way of multiplying...
** Your Yamask/Cofagrigus can breed with other Ghost type Pokemon. [[BestialityIsDepraved Imagine what it's thinking...]]
** You know the already sketchy ethics with Pokebattles. Using [[WasOnceAMan Yamask]] in battle takes those UnfortunateImplications, and ''multiplies it.''
*** Capturing and enslaving a human soul is horrific enough, but what if you captured it from the aforementioned Relic Castle? [[WhatTheHellHero You just enslaved the tortured soul of a civilian who lost their life in a horrible terrorist attack and made it fight for you!]]
**** Even worse, [[HumansAreBastards nobody calls you]] [[CrapsaccharineWorld out for it.]]
***** Ghetsis has one. The above make this horror in itself.
****** Given that Ghetsis' Shadow Triad have UndyingLoyalty to him, what's to stop Ghetsis from having them entomb his remains so ''he'' can become a Cofagrigus himself? Given [[spoiler:no-one's managed to catch him even in the sequel]], expect [[NightmareFuel your protagonist to be haunted...]]
* Deino starts off with one head, then evolves into Zweilous, who has two heads that hate each other. Zweilous evolves into Hydreigon -- who only has ''one'' brain and two brainless heads for hands.
** I actually find that thought hilarious. Two quarreling heads? It's like they were brainless to begin with!
** FridgeHorror returns -- judging by their behaviour, one may end up [[TooDumbToLive killing the other.]] Leaving a single brain. Would it be stunted, or evolve? Ghetsis [[FridgeHorror has]] [[NightmareFuel a]] [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Lv 54]] [[OmnicidalManiac Hydreigon.]]
** What if Hydreigon's main head is a new one? That wouldn't require one of Zweilous's heads to kill the other... But on the other hand, it would mean that the two [[BuffySpeak hand-heads]] are Zweilous's heads, so [[BodyHorror it loses]] ''both'' its old brains.
* The TM for Toxic is found in the shallows in the middle of a mostly water route. A water route full of Ghost jellyfish.
* One trainer on Route 15 says that she's looking for Pokemon that have escaped from the Poke Transfer Lab. Notice how the whole northeast of Unova is full of Gen I-IV Pokemon. Yes, that's right: Unova's being overrun by invasive species that are probably wreaking havoc on the ecosystem now [[WhatTheHellPlayer because you wanted to keep the Pokemon from your old games.]]
** Except they're there before you ever do any transferring, so... yeah, not the player's fault.
*** Probably brought there by other trainers. Which raises the question, ''what happened to the previous-gen regions you traded foreign Pokemon into?''
* When you get to the pool in Crater Forest, Kyurem freezes the entire place, covering everything in snow. ''How many Pokemon died from hypothermia/suffocation when that blizzard hit?''
** Probably not that many; most of the Pokemon found there probably wouldn't be affected by a harsh change in temperature (Lunatone/Solrock, Metang/Metagross, Piloswine/Mamoswine), and Ditto can change its form to match the temperature. Clefairies/Clefables probably have thick fur to insulate them from the cold.
*** Clefairy and Clefable are from space. It's not exactly known for its heat...
*** And so we get back to ''suffocation''.
*** Mmhmm, sorry, I forgot about that.
**** Magic Guard. Many Clefairies and Clefables presumably cannot suffocate. Besides, we've known for a long time that Pokemon aren't easy to keep consistently Frozen.
***** How do we know that that Kyurem hasn't frozen the forest before, and that's the reason why there are only pokemon that could survive a freeze?
* The Flying game in Dream World, which features a Pelipper flying through the sky. Though it needs 3 Water orbs to speed up, it only needs one single Electric one to go ''down'' a speed level. Then it hit me... Pelipper has a ''double weakness'' to Electric. The poor thing gets double as much damage from them.
* The entire Solosis line can learn Explosion by TM. Those Pokemon are based on developing embryos. [[NightmareFuel You're basically teaching your Pokemon to abort itself.]] [[WhatTheHellPlayer Nice job, kid.]]
** Made worse by the fact that the game takes place in Unova, which is said to be like America, where abortion is considered a hot-button topic (right to life vs. pro-choice).
** Except the line is more based on a general cell division, rather than embryos. [[note]]On another note, Explosion and Self-Destruct are described as a large release of energy that tires the Pokémon out too much to battle, not physically bursting into pieces. Don't know quite how that would translate to actual cells, but you get the idea.[[/note]]
*** The Explosion-Solosis connection doesn't come from dividing cells, but dividing ''atoms''. [[IncrediblyLamePun Nuclear]] [[GeniusBonus fission]], anyone?
** Yeah, Solosis is outright called the "mitosis" Pokémon in the 'dex. Not abortion at all.
* This one came up after this troper finished getting a Castelia Cone in Castelia City. Basically, the Castelia Cone is ice cream that looks too similar to Vanillite. The stand where you buy these ice cream cones are opened from the spring to the fall season before it closes up in the winter because of the coldness of the weather. However, winter is also the season where Vanillite appear more in the wild because of the weather. This troper thinks that the owner of the stand leaves during the winter to capture more Vanillite and serve them to people when it's spring again. To add to this, if the player were to watch the TV, there will be one instance where there is a girl that talks about buying a Castelia Cone but then it came alive and ran away. Basically, humans are eating Vanillite and are re-stocking when they come out to play.
** That's not so bad. Pokemon are seen as both allies and food if need be.
** You use Castelia Cones like full heals. Think about that. [[IAmAHumanitarian You can feed it to your Vanillite.]] [[WhatTheHellHero Smooth]].
** Alternatively - the Vanillite come from the cones, not the other way around. There have been tsukumogami-(inanimate objects that become animate creatures) based Pokemon since the first generation, and Unova has several that come from various sources. It wouldn't be that big of a stretch to say that the Castelia Cones are so magically delicious and well-loved that they occasionally gain sentience. The owner probably keeps them in the freezer throughout the warm seasons so they won't melt, then goes on a journey in the winter to release them all around Unova once it's cold enough for them to travel comfortably.
** Actually, Vanillite looking like ice cream doesn't necessarily translate to it ''tasting'' like ice cream. Even if it's body is ice-based, it could just taste like regular ice, which is basically flavorless. Even if they're sweetening it or adding flavor, killing Vanillite to make them is pointless, as you could just use normal ice for effectively the same product. Although, if you really want to draw a connection between the two, you might be able to put forth the idea that the Vanillite are creating the ice cream themselves.
*** Here's a whole new level of horror for you: every winter, the Castelia Cone stand owner goes and captures a bunch of Vanillite. Then he forces them to make ice for his cones work nonstop through the rest of the year. The following winter, the owner has to go capture more Vanillite because ''he's worked them to death''. The odd Castelia Cone being a Vanillite in disguise happens when one of his ice-making slaves escapes by disguising itself as the product.
** Alternately, a [[NightmareRetardant much less creepy]] idea is that Casteliacones are just purposefully shaped like Vanillite because they're [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter so cute]] and popular. The shop shuts down in winter because it's too cold to eat ice cream, not because they need to go farm for Vanillite.
** Casteliacones could've just been made out of Moomoo Milks, you know.
* So, what did Team Plasma want with that Munna's Dream Mist again? Oh, right, they wanted to use it to brainwash the people of Unova into releasing their Pokemon and joining Team Plasma. If that had worked, [[spoiler: Ghetsis would have an unstoppable brainwashed army, which he could continually replenish and expand by harvesting more Dream Mist from Munna to brainwash new "recruits".]] [[NightmareFuel You're welcome.]]
* There's an unpleasant foreshadowing for the sequels in Fridge Brilliance above. Absol is found outside the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist not to enter. Fast forward to the sequels... (Continued on the [[Fridge/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 fridge page for those games]].)
* In the graveyard of the Celestial Tower, Litwick are present there. Litwick's final evolution, Chandelure, [[YourSoulIsMine steals souls and burns them up.]] [[FateWorseThanDeath I wonder]] [[CessationOfExistence why you find them in a gravesite?]]
* A few months ago, it was announced that the Dream World would be shut down in January 2014 for Gen VI and X/Y. Basically, it's an apocalypse counting down for a whole world.

For FridgeLogic, see [[Headscratchers/PokemonBlackAndWhite Headscratchers/PokemonBlackAndWhite]].

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** Hell, just Ghetsis' plans in general. Just look at his big one in the game: [[spoiler:Ghetsis knew a self-centered man like him could never be the hero of legend, so he raised his own son N specifically to fit the qualifications needed to be the hero and to be the key pawn in his master plan. He kept N locked up in a room filled with toys for years in order to stunt his emotional growth, and had Anthea and Concordia frequently tend to him so that his innocence and purity could be preserved. He himself told N that Team Plasma was fighting to liberate Pokemon from their captivity and oppression at the hands of humans, and even provided abused Pokemon for N as playmates. Ghetsis' own minions had abused the Pokemon and since N could hear their thoughts and feel their pain, he came to believe that all humans hurt Pokemon and that all Pokemon long to be far away from humans. After N had come of age and was crowned Team Plasma's king, Ghetsis began his crusade to capture the hearts and minds of the trainer population, the grand crescendo of which would come when N, using Reshiram or Zekrom, could defeat the Champion and allow Team Plasma to take over the league. N would then issue a command to every human in the Unova region to release all their Pokemon or risk the region's destruction again. In reverence of the hero and the belief that his way is the truth or ideal ("having Pokemon will be considered a bad thing" as Ghetsis puts it), the trainers would release all their Pokemon...which would leave Ghetsis and his select followers as the only ones with Pokemon that they're able to use. After N's purpose had been served, Ghetsis would throw him away and take Reshiram/Zekrom for himself, and then with his personal Pokemon army headed by the legendary Pokemon of the hero, would go to war with all other regions and repeat the process so that more region's worth of Pokemon get added to his forces. The more Pokemon, the more power, and with enough power, Ghetsis could take over the entire world, bringing about a Dystopian new world order in which he, as the ruler who is the only one allowed to have and use Pokemon, has unlimited influence, privilege, and control over everything that lives and is free to oppress and suppress everyone by using threat of force via his supepowered mons. And the reason for all this? He felt entitled to it.]]
*** Let's say for a minute the Plasma plan went through and Ghetsis took over Unova. Short of a more moderate replacement succeeding him, the only way his dominion would end is if people took the law into their own hands and violently deposed him with "illegal" Pokemon or if a more malicious power moved in and destroyed Team Plasma. Such a violent revolution would strain human-Pokemon relations and cause them to leave or savage the region, and there's at least ''one'' villainous group out there with no qualms about attacking trainers. Seeing the potential for [[VideoGame/PokemonColosseum Cipher]] to expand into a disarmed Unova, whether they were behind Team Plasma's operations or not, was how I knew [[AntiVillain N]] was [[UnwittingPawn a tool from the start]].
*** And if Ghetsis did take over Unova, the entire economy of Unova would be a wreck, since everything revolves around Pokemon.
*** As dictator of not just Unova but the entire world, Ghetsis would turn the world into one where every day was one of suffering under his reign - a world where your oppressors have all the power to harm you and keep you in line (as the only ones able to use Pokemon) and you lack the power to fight back, and are thus made to feel enslaved in this dystopian world order. It's a FateWorseThanDeath, arguably as horrific as Cyrus' vision for the world, if not moreso seeing as here you'd keep your emotions and would thus feel every last bit of pain.
*** '''WARNING''': Major guessing ahead. Consider why he had those items. One could make the argument that he had them because he was trying to attain [[spoiler:the Creation trio]] to kill anyone in his way. This presents 2 flaws: Ghetsis could use any legendary to do this, and you don't [[spoiler: need the orbs to get the Creation trio]]. In addition, the killing of a trainer is likely to spark a revolt. But remember what the legendaries he was trying to acquire are capable of. This implies three things. One: [[spoiler:Ghetsis is willing to erase people from existence to continue his plans]]. Two: [[spoiler:He only gave you the orbs because he knows they are useless to both him and the player character]]. Three: [[spoiler:He wants to [[AGodAmI become God]], [[DimensionLord rule over the cosmos as a despot]] and maybe even [[MultiversalConqueror go beyond that.]]]]
*** I'm going to throw my own slightly less alarmist theory into the mix here: Ghetsis states at the end of the game that [[spoiler:he is the one who awakened Reshiram/Zekrom]] along with [[spoiler:manipulating events]] so that N would actively seek it and thus become the hero [[spoiler:Ghetsis needed to take control]]. We know that the legendary yin/yang dragons are awakened both by the presence of their hero AND [[spoiler:the specific stone needed to awaken them]], according to whichever version you're playing. We also know that Team Plasma were delving into absolutely any leads they could find on the dragons, as their appearance at the Nacrene Gym shows us. If Team Plasma were seeking out any methods they could find to try and awaken the dragons, perhaps Ghetsis came across the [[spoiler:orbs]] whilst seeking the [[spoiler:yin/yang stones]] and thought they might be the items he desired, which they obviously proved not to be. Bear in mind that the region of Unova and its people don't know a great deal about Pokemon from distant lands; perhaps Ghetsis thought the [[spoiler:orbs]] were worthless when they did not [[spoiler:awaken Reshiram/Zekrom]] and so had little trouble casting them off to the player. I'm sure a third version of the game with an extended post-game story will put the theories to rest in time, but just in case this one is right, everyone should really be thankful that Ghetsis never learned [[spoiler:which [[PhysicalGod "dragons"]] the orbs were connected to]]...
* Many of the quotes randomly generated by opponents in the Battle Subway are surprisingly humorous, deep, and - yes - terrifying. Including this gem of a quote from a subway worker:
-->"I've never left this place even once since I was born."
* It's revealed near the end that the Pokemon that Team Plasma stole [[spoiler:were actually enslaved and forced to build their castle. Now keep in mind that N grew up with abused Pokemon. [[NightmareFuel How many of those "playmates" of his also doubled as slave labour for Ghetsis, who likely saw the convenience in this plan?]]]]
* One of the Seven Sages mentions that [[spoiler:N might not be related to Ghetsis. Then where did N come from?]]
** And also, [[spoiler:where did his real parents go?]]
** If you think about it, this might be the less unpleasant option. Assuming that N ''is'' [[spoiler:related to Ghetsis, who did Ghetsis fuck to produce a child, [[SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes and in what way]]? And worse, there's no hint of N having a mother anywhere. '''''Where did she go?''''']]
*** '''''[[spoiler:N's mother is Concordia.]]'''''
**** I'm pretty sure that one hasn't been confirmed yet.
***** But it would make a hell of a lot of sense.
** Speaking of N's lineage, let's look at his powers for a moment: He talks to Pokemon, yes, but he says in the final speech he heard your Pokemon's voices the first time he met you, where you don't seem to have a Pokemon out of its ball. This might imply, say, telepathy. I think everyone knows about a [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire green-haired, humanoid psychic type]], yes? Now, consider two things about Ghetsis. First, it's pretty clear he wouldn't be averse to horribly mistreating a Pokemon if it'd further his goals. Second, Ghetsis has red eyes, green hair and sociopathy on levels previously unknown to mankind. [[ThePokemonStory I wonder what could produce a combination like that...]] Maybe N gets his telepathy from his grandmother's side?
*** Thank almighty Arceus this is an impossibility. Misty appeared in that ''fanfic'', and Ghetsis would've been born decades before her.
* [[spoiler:Ghetsis himself admits]] "The moment when someone loses all hope... I really do love to watch that moment." Now consider [[spoiler:when he revealed to N that he was an UnwittingPawn, crushing his hopes and dreams.]] The implications is that this MoralEventHorizon wasn't just done out of anger, ''[[ForTheEvulz but sadism.]]'' Indeed, [[spoiler:N's entire life of being manipulated]] could've been [[spoiler:something Ghetsis ''was turned on by.'']] He may have [[MindRape mindraped]] [[spoiler:his own son]] without him even knowing it.
** In general, Ghetsis' sadism is disturbing, but it becomes moreso when you consider that many of the things he does, in both games, can be considered forms of torture - physical torture (his Pokemon abuse, what he does to Kyurem and has Kyurem do to Unova, commanding Kyurem use Glaciate on a human child), emotional torture (his treatment of N and what he has Team Plasma put a lot of people through), and even psychological torture (towards N and to an extent all the masses of Unova through his plan with the freezeover of the entire region). And when you look at his Pokemon team, all of his Pokemon seem to be tailor-made for use as living torture weapons on his enemies and their Pokemon. Team Plasma's initial medieval style might also be part of this, seeing as brutality and torture chambers were big in the middle ages.
* You ever wonder why N has a OneLetterName? [[spoiler:Or ''what the hell happened to A through M?'']]
** Alternatively: What does N stand for? Null? No-one? Nothing? Nobody?
*** Or the calculus variable n, making N [[spoiler:just a variable in Ghetsis' perfect formula, less predictable than Ghetsis would have liked but unfortunately necessary to complete the equation. And N does like math...]]
*** Also, [[spoiler:giving his son (if N really IS his) a OneLetterName could just be Ghetsis's first step in dehumanizing N.]]
*** [[JossedTrope Jossed.]] His name is N[[spoiler:atural Harmonia Gropius.]] [[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Junichi_Masuda_reveals_information_on_N Confimed here.]]
**** Yes, but he refers to himself as N. Giving him [[spoiler:an actual name]] may have been so people don't get suspicious, so he can eventually dehumanize N.
* The Black version Pokédex states that Cofagrigus's favorite food is gold nuggets; the White version Pokédex states that its body made of pure gold. Who's to say that it hasn't tried to eat its own kind... or itself?
** All the food we eat is carbon based, and we're also made of carbon. [[InsaneTrollLogic Why don't we eat ourselves then?]]
*** Because we neither eat raw carbon or are made of raw carbon. [[labelnote:side note...]]why are we considered carbon based when we're something like 75% water, which has no carbon? Not that it really matters in this discussion...[[/labelnote]]
*** [[labelnote:RE side note]] As a very simple explanation, carbon-based simply means that we're held together primarily by interactions of carbon-loaded molecules, not that we're made of "raw carbon" or anything like that. Same goes for (as far as I'm aware) every other living or once-living thing on this planet.[[/labelnote]]
** Probably not itself, since the gold it eats reinforces its body.
* Speaking of Yamask and Cofagrigus... Yamasks were originally humans that got mummified, keeping their human faces as a masks. They evolve into Cofagrigi, Pokémon that swallow humans whole and turn them into mummies, probably more Yamasks. This could very well be their natural way of multiplying...
** Your Yamask/Cofagrigus can breed with other Ghost type Pokemon. [[BestialityIsDepraved Imagine what it's thinking...]]
** You know the already sketchy ethics with Pokebattles. Using [[WasOnceAMan Yamask]] in battle takes those UnfortunateImplications, and ''multiplies it.''
*** Capturing and enslaving a human soul is horrific enough, but what if you captured it from the aforementioned Relic Castle? [[WhatTheHellHero You just enslaved the tortured soul of a civilian who lost their life in a horrible terrorist attack and made it fight for you!]]
**** Even worse, [[HumansAreBastards nobody calls you]] [[CrapsaccharineWorld out for it.]]
***** Ghetsis has one. The above make this horror in itself.
****** Given that Ghetsis' Shadow Triad have UndyingLoyalty to him, what's to stop Ghetsis from having them entomb his remains so ''he'' can become a Cofagrigus himself? Given [[spoiler:no-one's managed to catch him even in the sequel]], expect [[NightmareFuel your protagonist to be haunted...]]
* Deino starts off with one head, then evolves into Zweilous, who has two heads that hate each other. Zweilous evolves into Hydreigon -- who only has ''one'' brain and two brainless heads for hands.
** I actually find that thought hilarious. Two quarreling heads? It's like they were brainless to begin with!
** FridgeHorror returns -- judging by their behaviour, one may end up [[TooDumbToLive killing the other.]] Leaving a single brain. Would it be stunted, or evolve? Ghetsis [[FridgeHorror has]] [[NightmareFuel a]] [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard Lv 54]] [[OmnicidalManiac Hydreigon.]]
** What if Hydreigon's main head is a new one? That wouldn't require one of Zweilous's heads to kill the other... But on the other hand, it would mean that the two [[BuffySpeak hand-heads]] are Zweilous's heads, so [[BodyHorror it loses]] ''both'' its old brains.
* The TM for Toxic is found in the shallows in the middle of a mostly water route. A water route full of Ghost jellyfish.
* One trainer on Route 15 says that she's looking for Pokemon that have escaped from the Poke Transfer Lab. Notice how the whole northeast of Unova is full of Gen I-IV Pokemon. Yes, that's right: Unova's being overrun by invasive species that are probably wreaking havoc on the ecosystem now [[WhatTheHellPlayer because you wanted to keep the Pokemon from your old games.]]
** Except they're there before you ever do any transferring, so... yeah, not the player's fault.
*** Probably brought there by other trainers. Which raises the question, ''what happened to the previous-gen regions you traded foreign Pokemon into?''
* When you get to the pool in Crater Forest, Kyurem freezes the entire place, covering everything in snow. ''How many Pokemon died from hypothermia/suffocation when that blizzard hit?''
** Probably not that many; most of the Pokemon found there probably wouldn't be affected by a harsh change in temperature (Lunatone/Solrock, Metang/Metagross, Piloswine/Mamoswine), and Ditto can change its form to match the temperature. Clefairies/Clefables probably have thick fur to insulate them from the cold.
*** Clefairy and Clefable are from space. It's not exactly known for its heat...
*** And so we get back to ''suffocation''.
*** Mmhmm, sorry, I forgot about that.
**** Magic Guard. Many Clefairies and Clefables presumably cannot suffocate. Besides, we've known for a long time that Pokemon aren't easy to keep consistently Frozen.
***** How do we know that that Kyurem hasn't frozen the forest before, and that's the reason why there are only pokemon that could survive a freeze?
* The Flying game in Dream World, which features a Pelipper flying through the sky. Though it needs 3 Water orbs to speed up, it only needs one single Electric one to go ''down'' a speed level. Then it hit me... Pelipper has a ''double weakness'' to Electric. The poor thing gets double as much damage from them.
* The entire Solosis line can learn Explosion by TM. Those Pokemon are based on developing embryos. [[NightmareFuel You're basically teaching your Pokemon to abort itself.]] [[WhatTheHellPlayer Nice job, kid.]]
** Made worse by the fact that the game takes place in Unova, which is said to be like America, where abortion is considered a hot-button topic (right to life vs. pro-choice).
** Except the line is more based on a general cell division, rather than embryos. [[note]]On another note, Explosion and Self-Destruct are described as a large release of energy that tires the Pokémon out too much to battle, not physically bursting into pieces. Don't know quite how that would translate to actual cells, but you get the idea.[[/note]]
*** The Explosion-Solosis connection doesn't come from dividing cells, but dividing ''atoms''. [[IncrediblyLamePun Nuclear]] [[GeniusBonus fission]], anyone?
** Yeah, Solosis is outright called the "mitosis" Pokémon in the 'dex. Not abortion at all.
* This one came up after this troper finished getting a Castelia Cone in Castelia City. Basically, the Castelia Cone is ice cream that looks too similar to Vanillite. The stand where you buy these ice cream cones are opened from the spring to the fall season before it closes up in the winter because of the coldness of the weather. However, winter is also the season where Vanillite appear more in the wild because of the weather. This troper thinks that the owner of the stand leaves during the winter to capture more Vanillite and serve them to people when it's spring again. To add to this, if the player were to watch the TV, there will be one instance where there is a girl that talks about buying a Castelia Cone but then it came alive and ran away. Basically, humans are eating Vanillite and are re-stocking when they come out to play.
** That's not so bad. Pokemon are seen as both allies and food if need be.
** You use Castelia Cones like full heals. Think about that. [[IAmAHumanitarian You can feed it to your Vanillite.]] [[WhatTheHellHero Smooth]].
** Alternatively - the Vanillite come from the cones, not the other way around. There have been tsukumogami-(inanimate objects that become animate creatures) based Pokemon since the first generation, and Unova has several that come from various sources. It wouldn't be that big of a stretch to say that the Castelia Cones are so magically delicious and well-loved that they occasionally gain sentience. The owner probably keeps them in the freezer throughout the warm seasons so they won't melt, then goes on a journey in the winter to release them all around Unova once it's cold enough for them to travel comfortably.
** Actually, Vanillite looking like ice cream doesn't necessarily translate to it ''tasting'' like ice cream. Even if it's body is ice-based, it could just taste like regular ice, which is basically flavorless. Even if they're sweetening it or adding flavor, killing Vanillite to make them is pointless, as you could just use normal ice for effectively the same product. Although, if you really want to draw a connection between the two, you might be able to put forth the idea that the Vanillite are creating the ice cream themselves.
*** Here's a whole new level of horror for you: every winter, the Castelia Cone stand owner goes and captures a bunch of Vanillite. Then he forces them to make ice for his cones work nonstop through the rest of the year. The following winter, the owner has to go capture more Vanillite because ''he's worked them to death''. The odd Castelia Cone being a Vanillite in disguise happens when one of his ice-making slaves escapes by disguising itself as the product.
** Alternately, a [[NightmareRetardant much less creepy]] idea is that Casteliacones are just purposefully shaped like Vanillite because they're [[RidiculouslyCuteCritter so cute]] and popular. The shop shuts down in winter because it's too cold to eat ice cream, not because they need to go farm for Vanillite.
** Casteliacones could've just been made out of Moomoo Milks, you know.
* So, what did Team Plasma want with that Munna's Dream Mist again? Oh, right, they wanted to use it to brainwash the people of Unova into releasing their Pokemon and joining Team Plasma. If that had worked, [[spoiler: Ghetsis would have an unstoppable brainwashed army, which he could continually replenish and expand by harvesting more Dream Mist from Munna to brainwash new "recruits".]] [[NightmareFuel You're welcome.]]
* There's an unpleasant foreshadowing for the sequels in Fridge Brilliance above. Absol is found outside the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist not to enter. Fast forward to the sequels... (Continued on the [[Fridge/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 fridge page for those games]].)
* In the graveyard of the Celestial Tower, Litwick are present there. Litwick's final evolution, Chandelure, [[YourSoulIsMine steals souls and burns them up.]] [[FateWorseThanDeath I wonder]] [[CessationOfExistence why you find them in a gravesite?]]
* A few months ago, it was announced that the Dream World would be shut down in January 2014 for Gen VI and X/Y. Basically, it's an apocalypse counting down for a whole world.

For FridgeLogic, see [[Headscratchers/PokemonBlackAndWhite Headscratchers/PokemonBlackAndWhite]].

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15th Jan '16 2:54:26 PM Anddrix
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** On the same note, the concepts yin and yang for Americans are [[ViewersAreMorons backwards]]. Yang is not [[DarkIsNotEvil dark]] and Yin is not [[LightIsNotGood light]]. They're reversed since the Chinese read right to left and Americans read left to right. Whether this is [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] is optional.

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** On the same note, the concepts yin and yang for Americans are [[ViewersAreMorons backwards]].backwards. Yang is not [[DarkIsNotEvil dark]] and Yin is not [[LightIsNotGood light]]. They're reversed since the Chinese read right to left and Americans read left to right. Whether this is [[LampShadeHanging lampshaded]] is optional.
9th Jun '15 12:54:31 AM TaylorHyuuga
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"I've never left this place even once since I was born."

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25th May '15 5:34:10 AM Goomba99
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** Or it's the other way around, and Klink is another tsukomogami-based Pokémon.
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