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* Cheren's Gym theme being the base theme all the other Gyms vary. He's the ''Normal'' type Leader, so of course his is normal.

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* Ghetsis tries to freeze the protagonist, with a move that ''cannot induce freezing'' in battle.
** Ghetsis was willing to freeze you solid (in what would probably just kill you), [[AndIMustScream forcing you to watch his ascent.]] If that's what he had planned for you, one can only imagine what he might've wanted to do to Hilda/Hilbert.
** It's likely that Ghetsis intended to make a cage of sorts out of Kyurem's icicles, which would both leave Nate/Rosa alive to watch and freeze them ''eventually''. AndIMustScream implications aside, a slow death is NightmareFuel[=/=]slight TearJerker enough as is.
** As it turns out, it was even worse; in the original Japanese text, he wants to ''impale you with icicles'', and the scene was bowdlerized with the move name.
** Um, no. That was disproven. He commands Kyurem to freeze the player in both versions. The best explanation for the animation not matching that is either not being sure how to picture that on their budget, or someone in the storyboard department rebelled.

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* Ghetsis tries to freeze the protagonist, with a move that ''cannot induce freezing'' in battle.
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Ghetsis was willing to freeze you solid (in what would probably just kill you), [[AndIMustScream forcing you to watch his ascent.]] If that's what he had planned for you, one can only imagine what he might've wanted to do to Hilda/Hilbert.
** It's likely that Ghetsis intended to make a cage of sorts out of Kyurem's icicles, which would both leave Nate/Rosa alive to watch and freeze them ''eventually''. AndIMustScream implications aside, a slow death is NightmareFuel[=/=]slight TearJerker enough as is.
** As it turns out, it was even worse; in the original Japanese text, he wants to ''impale you with icicles'', and the scene was bowdlerized with the move name.
** Um, no. That was disproven. He commands Kyurem to freeze the player in both versions. The best explanation for the animation not matching that is either not being sure how to picture that on their budget, or someone in the storyboard department rebelled.
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** Um, no. That was disproven. He commands Kyurem to freeze the player in both versions. The best explanation for the animation not matching that is either not being sure how to picture that on their budget, or someone in the storyboard department rebelled.
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** People generally don't die as a result of losing Pokémon battles unless their opponent is enough of an asshole to have their Pokémon finish them off, which your player character is not. It's ''far'' more likely that Ghetsis has just completely lost his mind, [[spoiler:like The Bandit from ''VideoGame/OurDarkerPurpose'',]] to the point where [[DeathOfPersonality he's effectively catatonic]]. Which, honestly, [[FateWorseThanDeath is probably worse]]. To be fair, though, [[AssholeVictim he completely deserves it]], it's his own fault for being a [[ItsAllAboutMe megalomaniacal]] {{Jerkass}} wannabe dictator and enough of a SoreLoser to literally go insane as a result of being trounced by two separate 15-year-olds, and the Shadow Triad would be the only ones shedding any tears.

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** People generally don't die as a result of losing Pokémon battles unless their opponent is enough of an asshole [[AnimalAssassin to have their Pokémon finish them off, off]], which your player character is not. It's ''far'' more likely that Ghetsis has just completely lost his mind, [[spoiler:like The Bandit from ''VideoGame/OurDarkerPurpose'',]] to the point where [[DeathOfPersonality he's effectively catatonic]]. Which, honestly, [[FateWorseThanDeath is probably worse]]. To be fair, though, [[AssholeVictim he completely deserves it]], it's his own fault for being a [[ItsAllAboutMe megalomaniacal]] {{Jerkass}} wannabe dictator and enough of a SoreLoser to literally go insane as a result of being trounced by two separate 15-year-olds, and the Shadow Triad would be the only ones shedding any tears.



* When you make a lot of movies in Pokestar Studios, you'll eventually get an elderly woman as a fan. Every time you make a good film, she'll tell you that, "Your last film made me laugh so much, my dentures fell out of my mouth!", even when the movie you just made wasn't a comedy. Is she going senile?

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* When you make a lot of movies in Pokestar Pokéstar Studios, you'll eventually get an elderly woman as a fan. Every time you make a good film, she'll tell you that, "Your last film made me laugh so much, my dentures fell out of my mouth!", even when the movie you just made wasn't a comedy. Is she going senile?

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** This could even be extended to his other Pokemon: Herdier, the ''Loyal Dog'' Pokemon.
* Golurk is now found at the new victory road. In the first game N got the dragon and fought the elite four near victory road. Maybe, just maybe, they decided to set up shop over there just in case this sorta thing happened again.

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** This could even be extended to his other Pokemon: Pokémon: Herdier, the ''Loyal Dog'' Pokemon.
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* Golurk is now found at the new victory road. Victory Road. In the first game game, N got the dragon and fought the elite four Elite Four near victory road.Victory Road. Maybe, just maybe, they decided to set up shop over there just in case this sorta thing happened again.



* Why is Burgh's sprite now wrapped up in this cocoon-shawl-type thing? And why does Elesa have this giant puffy yellow coat on over her outfit? And Roxie wears this heavy sweater--it's almost like Unova's gotten inexplicably colder outsi... [[KillItWithIce oooooh]].

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* Why is Burgh's sprite now wrapped up in this cocoon-shawl-type thing? And why does Elesa have this giant puffy yellow coat on over her outfit? And Roxie wears this heavy sweater--it's sweater -- it's almost like Unova's gotten inexplicably colder outsi... [[KillItWithIce oooooh]].



* This might fall into Fridge Heartwarming, but going off the below FridgeHorror about Ghetsis's Hydreigon, Iris in Challenge Mode has the exact same Hydreigon Ghetsis used in the original games. It's possible she captured it before the events of [=B2W2=] and has been raising it herself. Due to Iris being a NiceGirl, she is able to keep care of a Pokemon that was abused (It's implied it bit Ghetsis' arm) and treat it properly, which gets even better when you consider that Hydreigon are some of the most AxCrazy Pokemon outside of Yveltal, Mewtwo, Necrozma and Gyarados.
* Despite his knowledge of Pokemon, Ghetsis doesn't think of, say, catching Kyurem in a Pokeball to ensure loyalty. [[EvilCannotComprehendGood While this may just be seeing them as tools]], it's also a carry-over from [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Cyrus' plans from the previous gen]]: he knows that Pokeballs are [[PowerLimiter power limiters]], which would get in the way using Kyurem for mass terrorism. Could also be considered FridgeHorror for obvious reasons.

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* This might fall into Fridge Heartwarming, but going off the below FridgeHorror about Ghetsis's Hydreigon, Iris in Challenge Mode has the exact same Hydreigon Ghetsis used in the original games. It's possible she captured it before the events of [=B2W2=] ''[=B2W2=]'' and has been raising it herself. Due to Iris being a NiceGirl, she is able to keep care of a Pokemon that was abused (It's implied it bit Ghetsis' arm) and treat it properly, which gets even better when you consider that Hydreigon are some of the most AxCrazy Pokemon outside of Yveltal, Mewtwo, Necrozma and Gyarados.
* Despite his knowledge of Pokemon, Pokémon, Ghetsis doesn't think of, say, catching Kyurem in a Pokeball Pokéball to ensure loyalty. [[EvilCannotComprehendGood While this may just be seeing them as tools]], it's also a carry-over from [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Cyrus' plans from the previous gen]]: he knows that Pokeballs Pokéballs are [[PowerLimiter power limiters]], which would get in the way of using Kyurem for mass terrorism. Could also be considered FridgeHorror for obvious reasons.



* In his Pokemon World Tournament match, Alder has four Pokemon to represent each of the Elite Four that he formerly led, using a Chandelure (Shauntal), Krookodile (Grimsley), Reuniclus (Caitlin), and Conkeldurr (Marshal). He keeps his Conkeldurr during his Floccessy Town match, given that it represents Marshal, his pupil.

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* In his Pokemon World Tournament match, Alder has four Pokemon Pokémon to represent each of the Elite Four that he formerly led, using a Chandelure (Shauntal), Krookodile (Grimsley), Reuniclus (Caitlin), and Conkeldurr (Marshal). He keeps his Conkeldurr during his Floccessy Town match, given that it represents Marshal, his pupil.



* There are [[https://tcrf.net/Pokemon_Black_2_and_White_2#BW_Protagonists unused quotes]] in the game suggesting that the protagonists of the previous games would appear as PWT contestants; they have lines such as "Words are the source of all misunderstanding! Everything can be understood through Pokemon battles! Let's go!" Considering that they had spent an entire game as a HeroicMime, it makes sense that they would prefer to express themselves through battling instead of talking.
** N also says similar things in this game about how Pokemon battles are catalysts, showing how the previous protagonist's philosophies changed his outlook.

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* There are [[https://tcrf.net/Pokemon_Black_2_and_White_2#BW_Protagonists unused quotes]] in the game suggesting that the protagonists of the previous games would appear as PWT contestants; they have lines such as "Words are the source of all misunderstanding! Everything can be understood through Pokemon Pokémon battles! Let's go!" Considering that they had spent an entire game as a HeroicMime, it makes sense that they would prefer to express themselves through battling instead of talking.
** N also says similar things in this game about how Pokemon Pokémon battles are catalysts, showing how the previous protagonist's philosophies changed his outlook.



* It might be hard to notice, but Kyurem has no pupils in his normal form, while he does gain them when fused with either Reshiram or Zekrom. The phrase ''Eyes are the mirror of the soul'' might come to mind. Then you realize that means Kyurem is a literal empty vessel with no soul whatsoever whose only role is to be 'filled'.

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* It might be hard to notice, but Kyurem has no pupils in his its normal form, while he it does gain them when fused with either Reshiram or Zekrom. The phrase ''Eyes "Eyes are the mirror of the soul'' soul" might come to mind. Then you realize that means Kyurem is a literal empty vessel with no soul whatsoever whose only role is to be 'filled'.



*** It's also implied that if Kyurem was eating people and Pokémon, it isn't doing it anymore. Kyurem may be effectively a zombie, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's unintelligent. Maybe it stopped eating people and Pokémon because it realized that that wasn't doing it any good, and it specifically needed Reshiram and Zekrom to be complete.



** It's likely that Ghetsis intended to make a cage of sorts out of Kyurem's icicles, which would both leave Nate/Rosa alive to watch and freeze them ''eventually''. AndIMustScream implications aside, a slow death is NightmareFuel / slight TearJerker enough as is.

** As it turns out it was even worse, in the original Japanese text, he wants to ''impale you with icicles'' and the scene was bowdlerized with the move name

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** It's likely that Ghetsis intended to make a cage of sorts out of Kyurem's icicles, which would both leave Nate/Rosa alive to watch and freeze them ''eventually''. AndIMustScream implications aside, a slow death is NightmareFuel / slight NightmareFuel[=/=]slight TearJerker enough as is.

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** This also makes sense, since with ORAS the megas/primals of Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza and Mewtwo are stronger as well, and it seems more like they're in their actual/finished (for Mewtwo) form rather than mega evolved, meaning that the only Pokemon stronger than the region creating ones are the Embodiment of Sea, Land, Sky and (while maybe a bit of a stretch) Human Intellect. Kinda of terrifying to imagine that Humanity created a being stronger than a god...

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** This also makes sense, since with ORAS ''ORAS'' the megas/primals of Groudon, Kyogre Kyogre, and Rayquaza and Mewtwo are stronger as well, and it seems more like they're in their actual/finished (for Mewtwo) form rather than mega evolved, meaning that the only Pokemon Pokémon stronger than the region creating region-creating ones are the Embodiment of Sea, Land, Sky and (while maybe a bit of a stretch) Human Intellect. Kinda of terrifying to imagine that Humanity created a being stronger than a god...



* While Ghetsis' right arm has also been obscured by his cloak, N's crowning sequence showed he still had one. Come 2 years later, and we see that not only does he use his cane for support as well as controlling Kyurem, but his Hydreigon knows [[ThePowerOfHate a full-power Frustration.]] Does this mean that Ghetsis has become so abusive and evil that his Hydreigon crippled him? If so, what dark power did Ghetsis have to survive the assault and what's stopping Hydreigon from escaping/going on a rampage now that his master is completely insane.

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* While Ghetsis' right arm has also been obscured by his cloak, N's crowning sequence showed he still had one. Come 2 years later, and we see that not only does he use his cane for support as well as controlling Kyurem, but his Hydreigon knows [[ThePowerOfHate a full-power Frustration.]] Does this mean that Ghetsis has become so abusive and evil that his Hydreigon crippled him? If so, what dark power did Ghetsis have to survive the assault assault, and what's stopping Hydreigon from escaping/going escaping and [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds going on a rampage rampage]] now that his master is completely insane.insane?



** Oh, and Hydreigon's got a Life Orb now. Ghetsis is forcing his signature Pokemon to make its attacks even stronger by siphoning off its life force. ''No wonder'' Hydreigon has a full-power Frustration!
** Also, even in nature Hydreigon are AxCrazy enough [[OmnicidalManiac to attack anything that moves.]] What would a Hydreigon filled with hatred from its abusive owner be capable of?

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** Oh, and Hydreigon's got a Life Orb now. Ghetsis is forcing his signature Pokemon Pokémon to make its attacks even stronger by siphoning off its life force. ''No wonder'' Hydreigon has a full-power Frustration!
** Also, even in nature nature, Hydreigon are AxCrazy enough [[OmnicidalManiac to attack anything that moves.]] moves]]. What would a Hydreigon filled with hatred from its abusive owner be capable of?



* In Celestial Tower, there's a School Kid with a Litwick. After you beat her, she says she's feeling all tired after a loss. Then, if you go to the Pokemon Center afterwards, she'll be there. Talk to her, and she'll say that she was feeling a little burnt out, but she feels better now, and that she can do anything if she has her Litwick with her, or something along those lines. Now read Litwick's Pokedex entry.
** Made even worse it is ''her'' Litwick especially. Even if you own it, the thing still will drain your life energy. It's possible that Litwick's [[YourSoulIsMine soul draining ability]] is [[PowerIncontinence involuntary]], so for all we know the poor thing WANTS to stop feeding on her, but can't.

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* In Celestial Tower, there's a School Kid with a Litwick. After you beat her, she says she's feeling all tired after a loss. Then, if you go to the Pokemon Pokémon Center afterwards, she'll be there. Talk to her, and she'll say that she was feeling a little burnt out, but she feels better now, and that she can do anything if she has her Litwick with her, or something along those lines. Now read Litwick's Pokedex Pokédex entry.
** Made even worse it is ''her'' Litwick especially. Even if you own it, the thing still will drain your life energy. It's possible that Litwick's [[YourSoulIsMine soul draining ability]] is [[PowerIncontinence involuntary]], so for all we know know, the poor thing WANTS ''wants'' to stop feeding on her, but can't.



* While the rockslide destroying Route 10 is tragic, how many of the wild Pokemon residing there died?
** The Chasm is worse, after the frigate leaves the trees looked knocked down rather than squashed like you would think from the frigate coming down...does this mean Team Plasma bombed the forest just to make a place for them to land?

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* While the rockslide destroying Route 10 is tragic, how many of the wild Pokemon Pokémon residing there died?
** The Chasm is worse, worse; after the frigate leaves leaves, the trees looked knocked down rather than squashed like you would think from the frigate coming down...down... does this mean Team Plasma bombed the forest just to make a place for them to land?



** [[AbusiveParents His own family]] [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned him.]] Considering the many dangerous Pokemon in Unova, [[OffingTheOffspring they may have wanted to get rid of him Hansel and Gretel style.]]

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** [[AbusiveParents His own family]] [[ParentalAbandonment abandoned him.]] Considering the many dangerous Pokemon Pokémon in Unova, [[OffingTheOffspring they may have wanted to get rid of him Hansel and Gretel style.]]



* During the post-game, the Shadow Triad talk about how Ghetsis "can't do anything anymore.", and they won't forgive you because of this. It certainly does sound a bit like a roundabout way of saying that he's dead, and that they blame you for his death.

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* During the post-game, the Shadow Triad talk about how Ghetsis "can't do anything anymore.", and [[ThisIsUnforgivable they won't forgive you because of this. this]]. It certainly does sound a bit like a roundabout way of saying that he's dead, and that they blame you for his death.death.
** People generally don't die as a result of losing Pokémon battles unless their opponent is enough of an asshole to have their Pokémon finish them off, which your player character is not. It's ''far'' more likely that Ghetsis has just completely lost his mind, [[spoiler:like The Bandit from ''VideoGame/OurDarkerPurpose'',]] to the point where [[DeathOfPersonality he's effectively catatonic]]. Which, honestly, [[FateWorseThanDeath is probably worse]]. To be fair, though, [[AssholeVictim he completely deserves it]], it's his own fault for being a [[ItsAllAboutMe megalomaniacal]] {{Jerkass}} wannabe dictator and enough of a SoreLoser to literally go insane as a result of being trounced by two separate 15-year-olds, and the Shadow Triad would be the only ones shedding any tears.
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** Several of the older Pokémon already confirmed to be present in ''Black 2''/''White 2'' -- such as Eevee, Beldum, and Riolu -- were previously only obtainable as gift Pokémon or in the Safari Zone and not available in the wild. Riolu could be found in Challenger's Cave and Metang at Giant Chasm in the original BW. Eevee is found at a location that was not accessible in the first game. Perhaps they are actually native to Unova and imported to other regions?

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** Several of the older Pokémon already confirmed to be present in ''Black 2''/''White 2'' -- such as Eevee, Beldum, and Riolu -- were previously only obtainable as gift Pokémon or in the Safari Zone and not available in the wild. Riolu could be found in Challenger's Cave and Metang at Giant Chasm in the original BW. Eevee is found at a location that was not accessible in the first game. Perhaps they are actually native to Unova and imported to other regions?



* Bianca's slight redesign includes glasses. This seems like a somewhat inexplicable addition until you take into account how klutzy she is in the first games - she's nearsighted!
* Why is there no Elite Four tournament at the PWT? Because the Gym Leaders and Champions left their home regions to participate in the tournament and SOMEONE has to look after the regions in the event of a disaster.

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* Bianca's slight redesign includes glasses. This seems like a somewhat inexplicable addition until you take into account how klutzy she is in the first games - she's nearsighted!
* Why is there no Elite Four tournament at the PWT? Because the Gym Leaders and Champions left their home regions to participate in the tournament and SOMEONE ''someone'' has to look after the regions in the event of a disaster.



* What is Giovanni, a known criminal, doing in the PWT? Despite being head of a regional crime syndicate, all his provable offences were local to Johto and Kanto, so Unovan cops have no grounds for arrest and the Internal Police have no jurisdiction on him. He's in Unova to avoid prison, and (ab)using his status as Gym Leader to participate in the PWT to maintain his visa indefinitely.

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* What is Giovanni, a known criminal, doing in the PWT? Despite being head of a regional crime syndicate, all of his provable offences were local to Johto and Kanto, so Unovan cops have no grounds for arrest and the Internal Police have no jurisdiction on him. He's in Unova to avoid prison, and (ab)using his status as Gym Leader to participate in the PWT to maintain his visa indefinitely.



* The battle with your rival at the PWT might seem to be a classic example of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. He uses a Lv.25 Servine with Leaf Blade. Even Snivy can't learn it earlier than at Lv. 28, and said Snivy wasn't capable of using it earlier so it couldn't have been passed through breeding. The Servine and other Pokémon at his time suddenly gained levels. 33 for starter, 31 for Tranquill and Simisear. Notice how all his Pokémon were at Lv.25. All three of them... Their actual levels weren't that. They were reduced, like in Battle Subway. It makes sense that it knew Leaf Blade – it was actually at right level!

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* The battle with your rival at the PWT might seem to be a classic example of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. He uses a Lv.25 Servine with Leaf Blade. Even Snivy can't learn it earlier than at Lv. 28, and said Snivy wasn't capable of using it earlier earlier, so it couldn't have been passed through breeding. The Servine and other Pokémon at his time suddenly gained levels. 33 for starter, 31 for Tranquill and Simisear. Notice how all his Pokémon were at Lv.25. All three of them... Their actual levels weren't that. They were reduced, like in Battle Subway. It makes sense that it knew Leaf Blade – it was actually at the right level!



** A little disturbing and ambiguously FridgeHorror as well-- what would it take to make something as unabashedly violent and evil as Hydreigon hateful enough to use Frustration? Possibly a stealth reconstruction of the idea that Pokemon are mostly good-natured-- [[EvenEvilHasStandards even Hydreigon has standards]].

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** A little disturbing and ambiguously FridgeHorror as well-- well -- what would it take to make something as unabashedly violent and evil as Hydreigon hateful enough to use Frustration? Possibly a stealth reconstruction of the idea that Pokemon Pokémon are mostly good-natured-- good-natured -- [[EvenEvilHasStandards even Hydreigon has standards]].



* Why is Pikachu still not in the Unova Dex despite being the anime mascot as Ash's signature Pokemon? All to be consistent with the anime where it was already stated that Pikachu is a rare Pokemon not found in the Unova region!

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* Why is Pikachu still not in the Unova Dex despite being the anime mascot as Ash's signature Pokemon? Pokémon? All to be consistent with the anime anime, where it was already stated that Pikachu is a rare Pokemon Pokémon not found in the Unova region!



* Colress, the new character who replaces N's role in Team Plasma. His only interest is bringing out the potential of Pokémon, and he believes this is done by having Pokémon work with trainers. He doesn't care at all about the world going on around him at all. And whereas N had to be convinced that he might be wrong, Colress was always looking for a better answer. In other words, he's the exact opposite to N.

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* Colress, the new character who replaces N's role in Team Plasma. His only interest is bringing out the potential of Pokémon, and he believes this is done by having Pokémon work with trainers. He doesn't care at all about the world going on around him at all. And whereas N had to be convinced that he might be wrong, Colress was always looking for a better answer. In other words, he's the exact opposite to N.
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* Veteran Shaun is fought in Wellspring Cave, and mentions that his Pokémon were born and raised on the exact same day. He's not too far from the Daycare, so it's likely he was breeding them all, as any good trainer would.
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** As it turns out it was even worse, in the original Japanese text, he wants to ''impale you with icicles'' and the scene was bowdlerized with the move name
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** Also, even in nature Hydreigon are AxeCrazy enough [[OmnicidalManiac to attack anything that moves.]] What would a Hydreigon filled with hatred from its abusive owner be capable of?

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** Also, even in nature Hydreigon are AxeCrazy AxCrazy enough [[OmnicidalManiac to attack anything that moves.]] What would a Hydreigon filled with hatred from its abusive owner be capable of?
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* What is Giovanni, a known criminal, doing in the PWT? Despite being head of a regional crime syndicate, all his provable offences were local to Jhoto and Kanto, so Unovan cops have no grounds for arrest and the Internal Police have no jurisdiction on him. He's in Unova to avoid prison, and (ab)using his status as Gym Leader to participate in the PWT to maintain his visa indefinitely.
* Lance has been infamously known for his three Dragonite in previous games. Then why he uses only at the PWT? Simple. You can't use two of the same Pokémon in that tournament.

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* What is Giovanni, a known criminal, doing in the PWT? Despite being head of a regional crime syndicate, all his provable offences were local to Jhoto Johto and Kanto, so Unovan cops have no grounds for arrest and the Internal Police have no jurisdiction on him. He's in Unova to avoid prison, and (ab)using his status as Gym Leader to participate in the PWT to maintain his visa indefinitely.
* Lance has been infamously known for his three Dragonite in previous games. Then why he uses only one at the PWT? Simple. You can't use two of the same Pokémon in that tournament.
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* It might be hard to notice, but Kyurem has no pupils in his normal form, while he does gain them when fused with either Reshiram or Zekrom. The phrase ''Eyes are the mirror of the soul'' might come to mind. Then you realize that means Kyurem is a literal empty vessel with no soul whatsoever whose only role is to be 'filled'.
** Coupled with Fridge Horror as well. You may be reminded that there was a legend about Kyurem eating humans and Pokémon alike. Then you're probably wondering... What if it was trying to fill the emptiness it felt?


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* Colress is first introduced to the player after fighting the two Team Plasma grunts in the sewers. He's shown emerging from the Relic Passage, where two Scientist trainers just so happen to be as well, likely doing research. He was in the area probably doing research in the area as well, while also keeping an eye on the grunts that he commands.
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* People wonder why Koga, Fuchsia City Gym Leader from [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]] and its remakes, is not in the PWT. It's because he's not a Gym Leader anymore, he's Elite Four, and the game takes place after ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver'', where he was succeeded by his daughter Sachiko as gym leader!

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* It would make sense for the Original Dragon's stat total/power to rival that of Arceus. The game mythos in ''VideoGame/PokemonDianondAndPearl and Platinum'' only ever confirms that Arceus created the Sinnoh region. The mythos surrounding the Original Dragon says that it did help to establish Unova's civilization. Both of them created regions of their own, making them equals in power.

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** Several of the older Pokémon already confirmed to be present in ''Black 2''/''White 2'' -- such as Eevee, Beldum, and Riolu -- were previously only obtainable as gift Pokémon or in the Safari Zone and not available in the wild. Perhaps they are actually native to Unova and imported to other regions?
*** They weren't available in Black and White, though. It might just be more likely that they were more suited to Unova's environment and so were able to thrive once they were introduced to the region.
*** Actually, Riolu could be found in Challenger's Cave and Metang at Giant Chasm in the original BW. Eevee is found at a location that was not accessible in the first game.
** Also, in the previous game, a Trainer mentions that they are looking for Pokémon that escaped the [=PokéTransfer Lab=]. This must mean that the Pokémon escaped, fled throughout the region, and bred. In other words, [[FridgeHorror invasive species are taking over Unova]].
*** One example: the common Pokémon from Kanto, Rattata, isn't in the first routes of the game, but in the [[AbsurdlySpaciousSewer sewers]].
* During the journey, the main character is confronted by the trio of the legendary Knights (Terrakion, Virizion, Cobalion). It is only when, before the final confrontation with Team Plasma, Colress tells him that Terrakion "is looking for a worthy Trainer" that it all makes sense: just like they put an end to a war between Pokémon and humans in the legends, they sensed the calamities that Team Plasma's exploiting of Pokémon would have brought and actively sought a Trainer to lead them against the new enemy. The fact that they're all Fighting type, while one of the types most used by Team Plasma is Dark, makes them even better for the task.
*** One of the other major types used by this incarnation of Team Plasma? Ice. Which is also weak to Fighting.

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** Several of the older Pokémon already confirmed to be present in ''Black 2''/''White 2'' -- such as Eevee, Beldum, and Riolu -- were previously only obtainable as gift Pokémon or in the Safari Zone and not available in the wild. Riolu could be found in Challenger's Cave and Metang at Giant Chasm in the original BW. Eevee is found at a location that was not accessible in the first game. Perhaps they are actually native to Unova and imported to other regions?
*** They weren't available in Black and White, though. It ** Alternatively, it might just be more likely that they were more suited to Unova's environment and so were able to thrive once they were introduced to the region.
*** Actually, Riolu could be found in Challenger's Cave and Metang at Giant Chasm in the original BW. Eevee is found at a location that was not accessible in the first game.
** Also, in the previous game, a Trainer mentions that they are looking for Pokémon that escaped the [=PokéTransfer Lab=]. This must mean that the Pokémon escaped, fled throughout the region, and bred. In other words, [[FridgeHorror invasive species are taking over Unova]].
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Unova]]. One example: the common Pokémon ComMon from Kanto, Rattata, isn't in the first routes of the game, but in the [[AbsurdlySpaciousSewer sewers]].
* During the journey, the main character is confronted by the trio of the legendary Knights (Terrakion, Virizion, Cobalion). It is only when, before the final confrontation with Team Plasma, Colress tells him that Terrakion "is looking for a worthy Trainer" that it all makes sense: just like they put an end to a war between Pokémon and humans in the legends, they sensed the calamities that Team Plasma's exploiting of Pokémon would have brought and actively sought a Trainer to lead them against the new enemy. The fact that they're all Fighting type, while one two of the types most used by Team Plasma is Dark, are Dark and Ice, makes them even better for the task.
*** One of the other major types used by this incarnation of Team Plasma? Ice. Which is also weak to Fighting.
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* The battle with your rival at the PWT might seem to be a classic example of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. I mean, a Lv. 25 Servine using Leaf Blade? Even Snivy can't learn it earlier than at Lv. 28, and said Snivy wasn't capable of using it earlier so it couldn't have been passed through breeding... but then when his Servine was seen in battle once again, only a few moments after the previous battle, it struck me. The Servine and other Pokémon at his time suddenly gained levels. 33 for starter, 31 for Tranquill and Simisear. Notice how all his Pokémon were at lv. 25. All three of them... Their actual levels weren't that. They were reduced, like in Battle Subway (though there my Pokémon got increased Level to 50... but you know the drill). It makes sense that it knew Leaf Blade – it was actually at right level! That brings us to a point... which we can discuss [[Headscratchers/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 here]].

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* The battle with your rival at the PWT might seem to be a classic example of TheComputerIsACheatingBastard. I mean, He uses a Lv. Lv.25 Servine using with Leaf Blade? Blade. Even Snivy can't learn it earlier than at Lv. 28, and said Snivy wasn't capable of using it earlier so it couldn't have been passed through breeding... but then when his Servine was seen in battle once again, only a few moments after the previous battle, it struck me.breeding. The Servine and other Pokémon at his time suddenly gained levels. 33 for starter, 31 for Tranquill and Simisear. Notice how all his Pokémon were at lv. Lv.25. All three of them... Their actual levels weren't that. They were reduced, like in Battle Subway (though there my Pokémon got increased Level to 50... but you know the drill). Subway. It makes sense that it knew Leaf Blade – it was actually at right level! That brings us to a point... which we can discuss [[Headscratchers/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 here]].level!



* Following on from the 'how powerful was the original dragon' FridgeHorror below, it would make sense for the original dragon's stat total/power to rival that of Arceus. The game mythos in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum only ever confirms that Arceus created the Sinnoh region. The mythos surrounding the original dragon says that it created Unova. Both of them created regions of their own, making them equals in power.
** Well, the Original Dragon didn't create Unova so much as it did help to establish the region's civilization, but still, it's impressive nonetheless.

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* Following on from the 'how powerful was the original dragon' FridgeHorror below, it It would make sense for the original dragon's Original Dragon's stat total/power to rival that of Arceus. The game mythos in Diamond, Pearl ''VideoGame/PokemonDianondAndPearl and Platinum Platinum'' only ever confirms that Arceus created the Sinnoh region. The mythos surrounding the original dragon Original Dragon says that it created Unova.did help to establish Unova's civilization. Both of them created regions of their own, making them equals in power. \n** Well, the Original Dragon didn't create Unova so much as it did help to establish the region's civilization, but still, it's impressive nonetheless.



* What's with Sabrina's cameo? Well, look at her design over time. She took a major leap from being semi-formal to quite casual. Think about her for a second. She's intimidating with her strong PsychicPowers, [[RedEyesTakeWarning red eyes]], and general demeanor. Despite this she's just as good and nice as any of the other Gym Leaders. Sabrina knew she scared people, didn't like this, and decided to change herself. She decided to do a movie to help show she's not as creepy as she seems.. [[MeanCharacterNiceActor She should have chosen her role better, though.]]

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* What's with Sabrina's cameo? Well, look at her design over time. She took a major leap from being semi-formal to quite casual. Think about her for a second. She's intimidating with her strong PsychicPowers, [[RedEyesTakeWarning red eyes]], and general demeanor. Despite this she's just as good and nice as any of the other Gym Leaders. Sabrina knew she scared people, didn't like this, and decided to change herself. She decided to do a movie to help show she's not as creepy as she seems..seems. [[MeanCharacterNiceActor She should have chosen her role better, though.]]



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* Taking a bit of brilliance from the [[Fridge/PokemonBlackAndWhite original games page]] with Golurk on how they were made to stop people from taking Reshiram and Zekrom and stopping people if they caught them. Golurk is now found at the new victory road. In the first game N got the dragon and fought the elite four. Which is near victory road. Maybe, just maybe, they decided to set up shop over there just in case this sorta thing happened again.
** Also, what's underneath Victory Road now? N's castle. While N is good now, of course, visiting his castle is how you end up getting Reshiram/Zekrom. If Golurk was really made to stop the dragons, perhaps they're capable of telling that the area has an indirect connection to them.
** A minor case, but Golurk does have a type advantage over both of the dragons-its Ground typing is strong against both Fire (Reshiram) and Electric (Zekrom).

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* Taking a bit of brilliance from the [[Fridge/PokemonBlackAndWhite original games page]] with Golurk on how they were made to stop people from taking Reshiram and Zekrom and stopping people if they caught them. Golurk is now found at the new victory road. In the first game N got the dragon and fought the elite four. Which is four near victory road. Maybe, just maybe, they decided to set up shop over there just in case this sorta thing happened again.
** Also, what's underneath Victory Road now? N's castle. [[HeelFaceTurn While N is good now, now]], of course, visiting his castle is how you end up getting Reshiram/Zekrom. If Golurk was really made to stop the dragons, perhaps they're capable of telling that the area has an indirect connection to them.
** A minor case, but Golurk does have a type advantage over both of the dragons-its dragons: its Ground typing is strong against both Fire (Reshiram) and Electric (Zekrom).



* People wonder why Koga, Fuchsia City Gym Leader from [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Generation I]] and its remakes, is not in the PWT. It's because he's not a Gym Leader anymore, he's Elite Four!

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* Despite his knowledge of Pokemon Ghetsis doesn't think of, say, catching Kyurem in a Pokeball to ensure loyalty. [[EvilCannotComprehendGood While this may just be seeing them as tools]], it's also a carry-over from [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Cyrus' plans from the previous gen]]: he knows that Pokeballs are [[PowerLimiter power limiters]], which would get in the way using Kyurem for mass terrorism. Could also be considered FridgeHorror for obvious reasons.
* Pokestar Studios is mentioned under FakeDifficulty and ThatOneSidequest as being a LuckBasedMission and sometimes needing several tries to get it right. This was likely intentional; After all, when has a movie ever been made in one take?

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* Despite his knowledge of Pokemon Pokemon, Ghetsis doesn't think of, say, catching Kyurem in a Pokeball to ensure loyalty. [[EvilCannotComprehendGood While this may just be seeing them as tools]], it's also a carry-over from [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Cyrus' plans from the previous gen]]: he knows that Pokeballs are [[PowerLimiter power limiters]], which would get in the way using Kyurem for mass terrorism. Could also be considered FridgeHorror for obvious reasons.
* Pokestar Pokéstar Studios is mentioned under FakeDifficulty and ThatOneSidequest as being a LuckBasedMission and sometimes needing several tries to get it right. This was likely intentional; After after all, when has a movie ever been made in one take?




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*** This also makes sense, since with ORAS the megas/primals of Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza and Mewtwo are stronger as well, and it seems more like they're in their actual/finished (for Mewtwo) form rather than mega evolved, meaning that the only Pokemon stronger than the region creating ones are the Embodiment of Sea, Land, Sky and (while maybe a bit of a stretch) Human Intellect. Kinda of terrifying to imagine that Humanity created a being stronger than a god...

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*** ** This also makes sense, since with ORAS the megas/primals of Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza and Mewtwo are stronger as well, and it seems more like they're in their actual/finished (for Mewtwo) form rather than mega evolved, meaning that the only Pokemon stronger than the region creating ones are the Embodiment of Sea, Land, Sky and (while maybe a bit of a stretch) Human Intellect. Kinda of terrifying to imagine that Humanity created a being stronger than a god...



* ''From "G" and "Cis" (C♯), the pitches of the timpanis used in his battle theme. The combination of "G" and "Cis" is a tritone, previously referred to as Diabolus in Musica (The Devil in the Music) in the 18th century. Could also be romanized as Goetis, derived from Goetia, Greek for "sorcery".'' - This is what Ghetsis's page on Bulbapedia says.

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* ''From ''"From "G" and "Cis" (C♯), the pitches of the timpanis used in his battle theme. The combination of "G" and "Cis" is a tritone, previously referred to as Diabolus in Musica (The Devil in the Music) in the 18th century. Could also be romanized as Goetis, derived from Goetia, Greek for "sorcery".'' "'' - This is what Ghetsis's page on Bulbapedia says.



** Skyla's new Gym. A minor case, but one would imagine all of the concussions anyone would receive after being in that gym, being blown straight into the wall, and in the protagonist's case, straight through the gym, smashing two boxes, and out the doors. Worse is, the boxes respawn after reentering. You could keep going up to Skyla and exiting the gym, smashing through those boxes over and over.
*** Even worse, next time you visit Skyla's gym look whats underneath the grating you're standing on.

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** Skyla's new Gym. A minor case, but one would imagine all of the concussions anyone would receive after being in that gym, being blown straight into the wall, and in the protagonist's case, straight through the gym, smashing two boxes, and out the doors. Worse is, the boxes respawn after reentering. You could keep going up to Skyla and exiting the gym, smashing through those boxes over and over. \n*** Even worse, Oh, and next time you visit Skyla's gym gym, look whats underneath the grating you're standing on.



** Oh, and Hydreigon's got a Life Orb now. Ghetsis is forcing his signature Pokemon to make its attacks even stronger by siphoning off its life force.
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** Ghetsis is using a different Hydreigon in [=BW2=]. It's got an all-physical moveset instead of an all-special moveset, and it's at an [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard even lower level]] than the one in [=BW1=]. ''[[YouHaveFailedMe What happened to his first Hydreigon?]]''
*** [[NightmareRetardant Perhaps that his original Hydreigon]], and changed his move-set/decreased in level ''because'' Ghetsis was so abusive.
*** Actually, that is a different Hydreigon. The Shadow Triad appear in the postgame of the original Black and White games, and they reveal that Ghetsis lost his pokemon before breaking out of jail. We don't know where the Hydreigon went, but he's not anywhere near Ghetsis anymore.
*** Iris' Hydreigon has the same moveset as Ghetsis' [=BW1=] Hydreigon, so maybe Iris' Hydreigon and Ghetsis' [=BW1=] Hydreigon are the same Pokémon?
*** If that's the case, then this could very well be a Fridge SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoment, as it implies that Iris adopted Ghetsis' Hydreigon and [[LoveRedeems redeemed him just by being a good trainer to her]].
* The Join Avenue office has a [[TheMenInBlack Man In Black]] who proclaims to love the avenue and [[BigBrotherIsWatching keeps dossiers on the residents]].



** Made even worse it is ''her'' Litwick especially. Even if you own it, the thing still will drain your life energy.
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** I guess that would depend on how many of them managed to sense the oncoming rockslide and then fled in response.



** The Join Avenue office has a [[TheMenInBlack Man In Black]] who proclaims to love the avenue and [[BigBrotherIsWatching keeps dossiers on the residents]]. Now put two plus two.



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* Right before the credits start, [[spoiler:Iris leads the player out of the Hall of Fame and Champion's room, to the massive staircase. There, the Elite Four members are waiting, and the player walks down the steps and turns to them. Afterward, the player walks forward a bit, and Iris follows. Then, Iris and the Elite Four form the V shape, with Iris at the bottom and two Elite Four members at her sides while the player runs off]], and the credits begin. While possibly unintentional, it's brilliant because V could be for Victory (as in, you were just victorious over the Elite Four and the Champion, and Victini is also represented by V and Victory). And of course, this game takes place during Generation '''V'''.

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* Right before the credits start, [[spoiler:Iris Iris leads the player out of the Hall of Fame and Champion's room, to the massive staircase. There, the Elite Four members are waiting, and the player walks down the steps and turns to them. Afterward, the player walks forward a bit, and Iris follows. Then, Iris and the Elite Four form the V shape, with Iris at the bottom and two Elite Four members at her sides while the player runs off]], off, and the credits begin. While possibly unintentional, it's brilliant because V could be for Victory (as in, you were just victorious over the Elite Four and the Champion, and Victini is also represented by V and Victory). And of course, this game takes place during Generation '''V'''.



* When you fight the Shadow Triad guy first time, his payout is 180 per level. Next time, his payout is 100 per level, even though the other two you fight in the same place have payout 180 per level. Considering that in [[spoiler:Icirrus City]], payouts of all three are 180 per level, this can make sense. Why he gives temporarily lower payout? Because he lost to you previously, so he couldn't give as much next time (because players could get from that point to that point in one day, while [[spoiler:Icirrus City fights are once per season, so that's much more time]]).
* Colress, the new character who replaces N's role in Team Plasma. His only interest is bringing out the potential of Pokémon, and he believes this is done by having Pokémon work with trainers. He doesn't care at all about the world going on around him at all. And whereas N had to be convinced that he might be wrong, Colress was always looking for a better answer. [[spoiler: In other words, he's the exact opposite to N]].

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* When you fight the Shadow Triad guy first time, his payout is 180 per level. Next time, his payout is 100 per level, even though the other two you fight in the same place have payout 180 per level. Considering that in [[spoiler:Icirrus City]], Icirrus City, payouts of all three are 180 per level, this can make sense. Why he gives temporarily lower payout? Because he lost to you previously, so he couldn't give as much next time (because players could get from that point to that point in one day, while [[spoiler:Icirrus Icirrus City fights are once per season, so that's much more time]]).
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* Colress, the new character who replaces N's role in Team Plasma. His only interest is bringing out the potential of Pokémon, and he believes this is done by having Pokémon work with trainers. He doesn't care at all about the world going on around him at all. And whereas N had to be convinced that he might be wrong, Colress was always looking for a better answer. [[spoiler: In other words, he's the exact opposite to N]].N.



** Also, what's underneath Victory Road now? [[spoiler: N's castle. While N is good now, of course, visiting his castle is how you end up getting Reshiram/Zekrom.]] If Golurk was really made to stop the dragons, perhaps they're capable of telling that the area has an indirect connection to them.

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** Also, what's underneath Victory Road now? [[spoiler: N's castle. While N is good now, of course, visiting his castle is how you end up getting Reshiram/Zekrom.]] If Golurk was really made to stop the dragons, perhaps they're capable of telling that the area has an indirect connection to them.



* This might fall into Fridge Heartwarming, but going off the below FridgeHorror about Ghetsis's Hydreigon, [[spoiler: Iris in Challenge Mode]] has the exact same Hydreigon Ghetsis used in the original games. It's possible [[spoiler: she]] captured it before the events of [=B2W2=] and has been raising it herself. Due to Iris being a NiceGirl, she is able to keep care of a Pokemon that was abused (It's implied it bit Ghetsis' arm) and treat it properly, which gets even better when you consider that Hydreigon are some of the most AxCrazy Pokemon outside of Yveltal, Mewtwo, Necrozma and Gyarados.

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* This might fall into Fridge Heartwarming, but going off the below FridgeHorror about Ghetsis's Hydreigon, [[spoiler: Iris in Challenge Mode]] Mode has the exact same Hydreigon Ghetsis used in the original games. It's possible [[spoiler: she]] she captured it before the events of [=B2W2=] and has been raising it herself. Due to Iris being a NiceGirl, she is able to keep care of a Pokemon that was abused (It's implied it bit Ghetsis' arm) and treat it properly, which gets even better when you consider that Hydreigon are some of the most AxCrazy Pokemon outside of Yveltal, Mewtwo, Necrozma and Gyarados.



* Ghetsis tries to [[spoiler:freeze the protagonist, with a move that ''cannot induce freezing'' in battle.]]
** Ghetsis was willing to [[spoiler:freeze you solid(in what would probably just kill you), [[AndIMustScream forcing you to watch his ascent.]]]] If that's what he had planned for you, one can only imagine what he might've wanted to do to Hilda/Hilbert.
** It's likely that Ghetsis intended to [[spoiler:make a cage of sorts out of Kyurem's icicles, which would both leave Nate/Rosa alive to watch and freeze them ''eventually''.]] AndIMustScream implications aside, [[spoiler:a slow death is NightmareFuel / slight TearJerker enough as is]].
* Possibly; in the promotional video, assuming that what was shown were actual places in the game, [[spoiler:the frozen part of Unova was seen intact, no buildings were torn apart or anything, just frozen over. Who is to say that there weren't [[AndIMustScream any people in those buildings]]?]]
** It seems to happen in the game as well, as [[spoiler:Opelucid City becomes frozen over, and the player does chase after the Shadow Triad like in the promotional video. In this case, there were plenty of innocent people who may have been frozen to death]].
** In the post-game, [[spoiler: Opelucid City defrosts]], and everyone is revealed to be perfectly fine. That doesn't make it ''too'' much better, though, since [[spoiler: they were still trapped inside their homes for at least a short time]].
* (Continued from [[Fridge/PokemonBlackAndWhite the fridge page of these games' predecessors]].) It is pointed out in the Fridge page for the original ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' under Fridge Brilliance that in those games, Absol can be found around the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist to Kyurem's presence. In these games, Absol is implied to have a wider range due to its addition to the Unova Pokédex... and Kyurem is the mascot of both games, in which parts of Unova were frozen over. Looks like Absol felt it had work to do in other parts of Unova -- and of course it gets ignored and often scapegoated.

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* Ghetsis tries to [[spoiler:freeze freeze the protagonist, with a move that ''cannot induce freezing'' in battle.]]
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** Ghetsis was willing to [[spoiler:freeze freeze you solid(in solid (in what would probably just kill you), [[AndIMustScream forcing you to watch his ascent.]]]] ]] If that's what he had planned for you, one can only imagine what he might've wanted to do to Hilda/Hilbert.
** It's likely that Ghetsis intended to [[spoiler:make make a cage of sorts out of Kyurem's icicles, which would both leave Nate/Rosa alive to watch and freeze them ''eventually''.]] ''eventually''. AndIMustScream implications aside, [[spoiler:a a slow death is NightmareFuel / slight TearJerker enough as is]].
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* Possibly; in the promotional video, assuming that what was shown were actual places in the game, [[spoiler:the the frozen part of Unova was seen intact, no buildings were torn apart or anything, just frozen over. Who is to say that there weren't [[AndIMustScream any people in those buildings]]?]]
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** It seems to happen in the game as well, as [[spoiler:Opelucid Opelucid City becomes frozen over, and the player does chase after the Shadow Triad like in the promotional video. In this case, there were plenty of innocent people who may have been frozen to death]].death.
** In the post-game, [[spoiler: Opelucid City defrosts]], defrosts, and everyone is revealed to be perfectly fine. That doesn't make it ''too'' much better, though, since [[spoiler: they were still trapped inside their homes for at least a short time]].
time.
* (Continued from [[Fridge/PokemonBlackAndWhite the fridge page of these games' predecessors]].) It is pointed out in the Fridge page for the original ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' under Fridge Brilliance that in those games, Absol can be found around the Giant Chasm, as if it's warning the protagonist to Kyurem's presence. In these games, Absol is implied to have a wider range due to its addition to the Unova Pokédex... and Kyurem is the mascot of both games, in which parts of Unova were frozen over. Looks like Absol felt it had work to do in other parts of Unova -- and of course it gets ignored and often scapegoated.



** On this note, maybe it's a good thing that Hilda/Hilbert never shows up in the game (or at least during the scenes involving Kyurem). Imagine what would happen if Kyurem absorbed ''both'' N's ''and'' Hilda/Hilbert's dragons... Even if Kyurem is just doing it to be "complete" again and isn't actually going to do anything evil, it would still make for a really tough fight. Also, try not to think too much about what could happen if [[spoiler: Ghetsis ever got his hands on the original dragon]]...

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** On this note, maybe it's a good thing that Hilda/Hilbert never shows up in the game (or at least during the scenes involving Kyurem). Imagine what would happen if Kyurem absorbed ''both'' N's ''and'' Hilda/Hilbert's dragons... Even if Kyurem is just doing it to be "complete" again and isn't actually going to do anything evil, it would still make for a really tough fight. Also, try not to think too much about what could happen if [[spoiler: Ghetsis ever got his hands on the original dragon]]...dragon...



* While Ghetsis' right arm has also been obscured by his cloak, N's crowning sequence showed he still had one. Come 2 years later, and we see that not only does he use his cane for support as well as [[spoiler:controlling Kyurem]], but his Hydreigon knows [[ThePowerOfHate a full-power Frustration.]] Does this mean that Ghetsis has become so abusive and evil that his Hydreigon crippled him? If so, what dark power did Ghetsis have to survive the assault and what's stopping Hydreigon from escaping/going on a rampage now that [[spoiler:his master is completely insane.]]
** Even worse if you check out the cane that is implanted into the ground after [[spoiler: defeating and breaking him. It will say it might have been used to control Kyurem, but what is the possibility that it wasn't just Kyurem Ghetsis was using his cane to control?]]

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* While Ghetsis' right arm has also been obscured by his cloak, N's crowning sequence showed he still had one. Come 2 years later, and we see that not only does he use his cane for support as well as [[spoiler:controlling Kyurem]], controlling Kyurem, but his Hydreigon knows [[ThePowerOfHate a full-power Frustration.]] Does this mean that Ghetsis has become so abusive and evil that his Hydreigon crippled him? If so, what dark power did Ghetsis have to survive the assault and what's stopping Hydreigon from escaping/going on a rampage now that [[spoiler:his his master is completely insane.]]
insane.
** Even worse if you check out the cane that is implanted into the ground after [[spoiler: defeating and breaking him. It will say it might have been used to control Kyurem, but what is the possibility that it wasn't just Kyurem Ghetsis was using his cane to control?]]control?



* So [[spoiler:N was found alone in a forest.]] While this may seem NightmareRetardant, there's still the FridgeHorror of why his parents aren't raising him or simply took him to an orphanage:

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* So [[spoiler:N N was found alone in a forest.]] forest. While this may seem NightmareRetardant, there's still the FridgeHorror of why his parents aren't raising him or simply took him to an orphanage:



** They were killed, hence why N is [[spoiler:stuck in a forest.]] Consider how young N must have been

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** N also says similar things in this game about how Pokemon battles are catalysts, showing how the previous protagonist's philosophies changed his outlook.
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** It also makes sense considering the events of the previous game where the Elite Four are tasked with guarding the league until Alder finally returns. Presumably this is a standard duty of the Elite Four.
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* There are [[https://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_2_and_White_2#BW_Protagonists unused quotes]] in the game suggesting that the protagonists of the previous games would appear as PWT contestants; they have lines such as "Words are the source of all misunderstanding! Everything can be understood through Pokemon battles! Let's go!" Considering that they had spent an entire game as a HeroicMime, it makes sense that they would prefer to express themselves through battling instead of talking.

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* There are [[https://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_2_and_White_2#BW_Protagonists net/Pokemon_Black_2_and_White_2#BW_Protagonists unused quotes]] in the game suggesting that the protagonists of the previous games would appear as PWT contestants; they have lines such as "Words are the source of all misunderstanding! Everything can be understood through Pokemon battles! Let's go!" Considering that they had spent an entire game as a HeroicMime, it makes sense that they would prefer to express themselves through battling instead of talking.
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* There are [[https://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_2_and_White_2#BW_Protagonists unused quotes]] in the game suggesting that the protagonists of the previous games would appear as PWT contestants; they have lines such as "Words are the source of all misunderstanding! Everything can be understood through Pokémon battles! Let's go!"
Considering that they had spent an entire game as a HeroicMime, it makes sense that they would prefer to express themselves through battling instead of talking.

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* There are [[https://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_2_and_White_2#BW_Protagonists unused quotes]] in the game suggesting that the protagonists of the previous games would appear as PWT contestants; they have lines such as "Words are the source of all misunderstanding! Everything can be understood through Pokémon Pokemon battles! Let's go!"
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* There are [[https://tcrf.net/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_2_and_White_2#BW_Protagonists unused quotes]] in the game suggesting that the protagonists of the previous games would appear as PWT contestants; they have lines such as "Words are the source of all misunderstanding! Everything can be understood through Pokémon battles! Let's go!"
Considering that they had spent an entire game as a HeroicMime, it makes sense that they would prefer to express themselves through battling instead of talking.
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