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** Another thing worth mentioning is the OddFriendship she shares with Ayase. Maybe it's because of the NiceGirl tendencies Manami and (occasionally) Ayase share. Turns out they're NotSoDifferent, what with varying degrees of MoralGuardian tendencies and BitchInSheepsClothing attitudes. While Ayase acts out her mean attitude more openly to protect Kirino, Manami prefers the ManipulativeBitch method to subtly talk the Kousaka siblings into changing themselves drastically.

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** Another thing worth mentioning is the OddFriendship she shares with Ayase. Maybe it's because of the NiceGirl tendencies Manami and (occasionally) Ayase share. Turns out they're NotSoDifferent, not so different, what with varying degrees of MoralGuardian tendencies and BitchInSheepsClothing attitudes. While Ayase acts out her mean attitude more openly to protect Kirino, Manami prefers the ManipulativeBitch method to subtly talk the Kousaka siblings into changing themselves drastically.
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*** (Final continuation) If anything, Ayase is the [[BiTheWay bisexual]] since Kirino has reasoning for her enjoyment and angrily berates Kanako's suggestions of same-sex attraction, whilst Ayase is strangely gleeful at these suggestions and Yandere protective of Kirino. It's more or less a trope in itself that there is always that 1 female friend with questionable motives around the same sex.

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*** (Final continuation) If anything, Ayase is the [[BiTheWay bisexual]] bisexual since Kirino has reasoning for her enjoyment and angrily berates Kanako's suggestions of same-sex attraction, whilst Ayase is strangely gleeful at these suggestions and Yandere protective of Kirino. It's more or less a trope in itself that there is always that 1 female friend with questionable motives around the same sex.

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* Saori [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Bajeena]]. At first she may seem to be little more than a ShoutOut to the alias Char Aznabel takes in Zeta Gundam. [[spoiler: Then cut to a scene where you don't see her face and she is flanked by two maids, showing her as a rich Ojou.]] Then it hit me; Quattro Bajeena was the alias Char used when he joined the AEUG, so that he could hide in plain sight and still achieve his goals. Now replace the goals of showing humanity the error of their ways with; wanting to buy anime, manga and eroge. Saori is being true to her ideals in the same way that Char was. Well played... - @/GXNext
* At first the opening song to the series IRONY by [=ClariS=] seems to be the kind of peppy anime song you would come to expect from a genre that shows the Otaku day-to-day life, much in the vein of Genshiken or similar shows. Then when you actually [[http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/oreimo/irony.htm understand the words]] the song becomes brilliant. If there were a nation for {{Tsundere}} ''this'' would be its NationalAnthem. - @/GXNext
* Kirino is a [[IncrediblyLamePun Model Student]], a track star athelete, and has a well paying job, she is everything the stereotypical good girl is. However she is a ''Literal'' Closet Otaku, seriously; she hides all of her eroge, anime and little sister items in a secret closet she hides behind a shelf unit.

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* Saori [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Bajeena]]. At first she may seem to be little more than a ShoutOut to the alias Char Aznabel takes in Zeta Gundam. [[spoiler: Then cut to a scene where you don't see her face and she is flanked by two maids, showing her as a rich Ojou.]] Ojou. Then it hit me; Quattro Bajeena was the alias Char used when he joined the AEUG, so that he could hide in plain sight and still achieve his goals. Now replace the goals of showing humanity the error of their ways with; wanting to buy anime, manga and eroge. Saori is being true to her ideals in the same way that Char was. Well played... - @/GXNext
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* At first the opening song to the series IRONY by [=ClariS=] seems to be the kind of peppy anime song you would come to expect from a genre that shows the Otaku day-to-day life, much in the vein of Genshiken or similar shows. Then when you actually [[http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/oreimo/irony.htm understand the words]] the song becomes brilliant. If there were a nation for {{Tsundere}} ''this'' would be its NationalAnthem. - @/GXNext
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* Kirino is a [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} Model Student]], a track star athelete, and has a well paying job, she is everything the stereotypical good girl is. However she is a ''Literal'' Closet Otaku, seriously; she hides all of her eroge, anime and little sister items in a secret closet she hides behind a shelf unit.



* [[Main.PatientChildhoodLoveInterest Manami]] [[Main.BewareTheNiceOnes Tamura]]. At first people were [[Main.BrokenBase either cheering for her or criticizing her]] since she wasn't as [[Main.TheGenericGuy remarkable]] as the other girls and because her defining trait was 'normality'. [[spoiler: No wonder a lot of readers/viewers--if not all--were seriously caught off guard by the complete 180 of Manami's prominence in the Kousaka siblings' Cold War and ultimately the indirect instigator of the series itself!!]]
** Another thing worth mentioning is the OddFriendship she shares with Ayase. Maybe it's because of the NiceGirl tendencies Manami and (occasionally) Ayase share. [[spoiler: Turns out they're NotSoDifferent, what with varying degrees of MoralGuardian tendencies and BitchInSheepsClothing attitudes. While Ayase acts out her mean attitude more openly to protect Kirino, Manami prefers the ManipulativeBitch method to subtly talk the Kousaka siblings into changing themselves drastically.]]
* Why is Kanako, despite declaring otakus as weird and/or disgusting, pretty easygoing and accepting when it comes to her cosplay job? It's mostly HatesTheJobLovesTheLimelight, but then FridgeBrilliance kicks in when you find out later on that [[spoiler: Kanako's sister, Kanata, is an otaku as well--to be specific, the author of Kuroneko's favorite series Maschera. So while Kanako may find anime and manga hobbies weird, she's ultimately okay with it.]]
* Episode 8 is about a [[LightNovels light novel]] being made into an anime. ''LightNovel/{{Oreimo}}'' is a light novel that was made into an anime. In the episode they discuss "making each opening and ending different" and indeed each episode has a different opening and ending. The author also turned down the first offer to make this franchise into an anime.
* The siblings [[spoiler:coming together in the ending. It's right in the title!]]

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* [[Main.PatientChildhoodLoveInterest [[PatientChildhoodLoveInterest Manami]] [[Main.BewareTheNiceOnes [[BewareTheNiceOnes Tamura]]. At first people were [[Main.BrokenBase [[BrokenBase either cheering for her or criticizing her]] since she wasn't as [[Main.TheGenericGuy [[TheGenericGuy remarkable]] as the other girls and because her defining trait was 'normality'. [[spoiler: No wonder a lot of readers/viewers--if not all--were seriously caught off guard by the complete 180 of Manami's prominence in the Kousaka siblings' Cold War and ultimately the indirect instigator of the series itself!!]]
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** Another thing worth mentioning is the OddFriendship she shares with Ayase. Maybe it's because of the NiceGirl tendencies Manami and (occasionally) Ayase share. [[spoiler: Turns out they're NotSoDifferent, what with varying degrees of MoralGuardian tendencies and BitchInSheepsClothing attitudes. While Ayase acts out her mean attitude more openly to protect Kirino, Manami prefers the ManipulativeBitch method to subtly talk the Kousaka siblings into changing themselves drastically.]]
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* Why is Kanako, despite declaring otakus as weird and/or disgusting, pretty easygoing and accepting when it comes to her cosplay job? It's mostly HatesTheJobLovesTheLimelight, but then FridgeBrilliance kicks in when you find out later on that [[spoiler: Kanako's sister, Kanata, is an otaku as well--to be specific, the author of Kuroneko's favorite series Maschera. So while Kanako may find anime and manga hobbies weird, she's ultimately okay with it.]]
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* Episode 8 is about a [[LightNovels light novel]] {{light novel|s}} being made into an anime. ''LightNovel/{{Oreimo}}'' ''Oreimo'' is a light novel that was made into an anime. In the episode they discuss "making each opening and ending different" and indeed each episode has a different opening and ending. The author also turned down the first offer to make this franchise into an anime.
* The siblings [[spoiler:coming coming together in the ending. It's right in the title!]]title!




** (continuation of the latter) The ending of them stopping their public romance was an answer she came up with after she deemed it impossible to maintain the relationship publicly. They however successfully continue in private and in the afterstory it is expanded upon to such an extent that it implies they are very happy with their romance(Kirino bragging to Kuroneko about possibly(?) sex with a [[GreenEyedMonster ''strongly'' jealous response from Kuroneko]]. Kirino even dropped the Tsundere act to Kyousuke since she no longer needs this self-defence mechanism in his presence. It also appears that their romance is "imitating idealistic real world romances", albiet incestuous, and says that he has plans about taking it farther(inferred proposal and confirmed afterwords plans).

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\n** (continuation of the latter) The ending of them stopping their public romance was an answer she came up with after she deemed it impossible to maintain the relationship publicly. They however successfully continue in private and in the afterstory it is expanded upon to such an extent that it implies they are very happy with their romance(Kirino bragging to Kuroneko about possibly(?) sex with a [[GreenEyedMonster ''strongly'' jealous response from Kuroneko]]. Kirino even dropped the Tsundere act to Kyousuke since she no longer needs this self-defence mechanism in his presence. It also appears that their romance is "imitating idealistic real world romances", albiet albeit incestuous, and says that he has plans about taking it farther(inferred proposal and confirmed afterwords plans).
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* Not once does anyone, including most of the fanbase, question Kirino's sexuality, only whether she has a complex about her big brother or not - even though the activity that kicks the whole story to a start is playing erotic games that focus on pretty ''girls''
** I do! I do! I think she's bi.
** Uhm, I play erogames, too, and the moe can be pretty much nonsexual. It's clear that Kirino wants a younger sister (She became sort of jealous of Kuroneko once), and she doesn't seem to get off on the sex scenes, as it's mostly "Kyaaaa, the reaction from the character was so cute!!!" Rather than: "Hah, haaah... That was hot..". The novel she wrote seemed to be more platonically inclined, as there was nothig hinting that it might be romantic. Though, BiTheWay is a plausible explanation, too.
*** Dude, did you watch the episode about her playing eroge? She moe-ing over how hot it was (she actually said "THIS IS SO HOT!") so much that her brother barged in on her!
*** Could her sister complex be explained as some form of subconscious projection on how she wants to be doted on?
** She's clearly turned on by women (girls, really, but they're probably not much younger than her) in some contexts. Sexuality dynamics being what they are, she might not consider herself bi due to the whole "I can tell the difference between the 2d and 3d world" thing, but the subtext is obviously there.
* Elaborating on the above statement. At one point, Kirino has Kyosuke play an eroge called SisXSix, featuring two little sister heroines. Kyosuke obviously enjoys the route featuring the more mild soft spoken sister; but finds the other, tsundere sister Rinko, to be far too much like Kirino for his liking. After explaining ''to'' Kirino, about how much Rinko is similar to her, and explaining how he disliked that route ''because'' of said similarity; Kirino proceeds to launch into a tirade about how Kyosuke doesn't understand the charm of the character which in fact starkly resembles herself...Just to make that perfectly clear, Kirino wanted Kyosuke to like a pseudo copycat of ''her'' in an incest oriented video game. Oh yeah, she's projecting alright.
* It gets clear that Kirino can be pretty loud when moe-ing over her belove games. Why hasn't her brother noticed this earlier, since its confirmed that he can hear her?
** She was probably more careful about it before he found out about her hobby.
* (with the provisio that I've only started watching the series) Why is Kyōsuke so submissive to Kirino, e.g. doing whatever she wants, not calling her out for her hypocritical stance on playing H games, etc., even when he has a huge amount of dirt on her?
** Because his character is meant to replicate the submissiveness of the moe anime character (think Mikuru Asahina); the type of girl often featured in H-games (with the provisio that I haven't played them very much). It's a massive role reversal and massive ironic twist; it shows that the same traits that some [men] seek in that kind of anime character would actually be really annoying in real life.
** She's family, that's why. Two family members ignoring one another for years on end (as Kyousuke and Kirino were at the start) is a pretty terrible thing, especially in a family-centric culture like Japan's. Now that a dialogue has finally opened up between them after so many years, Kyousuke obviously wants to do everything he can to keep it that way. It's not quite a matter of submission, it's more that Kyousuke's trying to make up for all the years that he didn't make himself available to Kirino as her big brother. In fact, Kyousuke has a line in the manga that supports this:
---> '''Kyousuke''' (Internal Monologue): ''Even if she doesn't like me, or if she doesn't care, or even if she's conceited, rude, and uncute, I have to help my little sister!''
*** This is also supported in the anime itself, when Kyosuke goes to America to get Kirino to go back home, he literally says to her face, he doesn't care of she hates him, he just wants her to be there. Same in the non-canon PSP game, where Kyosuke breaks up with Ayase, and tells her face to face that he prioritizes Kirino over her.
** Because he's a true hero.
*** [[NecessaryWeasel Because it's a harem show and that's the kind of guy that most people who watch harem shows want to be: someone who will do anything for the woman they love.]]
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** Uhm, I play erogames, too, and the moe can be pretty much nonsexual. It's clear that Kirino wants a younger sister(She became sort of jealous of Kuroneko once), and she doesn't seem to get off on the sex scenes, as it's mostly "Kyaaaa, the reaction from the character was so cute!!!" Rather than: "Hah, haaah... That was hot..". The novel she wrote seemed to be more platonically inclined, as there was nothig hinting that it might be romantic. Though, BiTheWay is a plausible explanation, too.

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** Uhm, I play erogames, too, and the moe can be pretty much nonsexual. It's clear that Kirino wants a younger sister(She sister (She became sort of jealous of Kuroneko once), and she doesn't seem to get off on the sex scenes, as it's mostly "Kyaaaa, the reaction from the character was so cute!!!" Rather than: "Hah, haaah... That was hot..". The novel she wrote seemed to be more platonically inclined, as there was nothig hinting that it might be romantic. Though, BiTheWay is a plausible explanation, too.
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* The siblings [[spoiler:coming together in the ending. It's right in the title!]]

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* The siblings [[spoiler:coming together in the ending. It's right in the title!]]title!]]
* It's pretty clear to attentive fans that she is indeed projecting her fantasies onto these fictional characters once you hear her backstory and her audiodiaries. The "wholesome" side of her obsession was originally about cute little sisters, how she saw herself, and how she always wanted her brother to see her as cute. The eroge obsession was ''always'' about forbidden love between little sisters and their older brothers, something that she admittedly started to get into after Minami scolded her when she was younger. It is stated in her audiodiary that she was searching for a way to romance her loved one, telling herself in the future to never give up searching, and ultimately directed it ''AT'' the loved one assuming that they would be listening. Her Eroge obsession being based around this would be a potential source for answers as she even writes down all the branching choices, their results, and knows when the endings are unrealistic and impossible. In Season 2 Episode 15 she wanted to use her new Eroge as a reference of what to do with their future romance as she doesn't know what happens yet or the ending. In the afterstory she even starts to branch out to other genres(en masse at that) since she has succeeded and no longer has a mental reliance on the prior genres.

** (continuation of the latter) The ending of them stopping their public romance was an answer she came up with after she deemed it impossible to maintain the relationship publicly. They however successfully continue in private and in the afterstory it is expanded upon to such an extent that it implies they are very happy with their romance(Kirino bragging to Kuroneko about possibly(?) sex with a [[GreenEyedMonster ''strongly'' jealous response from Kuroneko]]. Kirino even dropped the Tsundere act to Kyousuke since she no longer needs this self-defence mechanism in his presence. It also appears that their romance is "imitating idealistic real world romances", albiet incestuous, and says that he has plans about taking it farther(inferred proposal and confirmed afterwords plans).

*** (Final continuation) If anything, Ayase is the [[BiTheWay bisexual]] since Kirino has reasoning for her enjoyment and angrily berates Kanako's suggestions of same-sex attraction, whilst Ayase is strangely gleeful at these suggestions and Yandere protective of Kirino. It's more or less a trope in itself that there is always that 1 female friend with questionable motives around the same sex.
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* Episode 8 is about a [[LightNovels light novel]] being made into an anime. [[LightNovel/OreNoImoutoGaKonnaNiKawaiiWakeGaNai Ore Imo]] is a light novel that was made into an anime. In the episode they discuss "making each opening and ending different" and indeed each episode has a different opening and ending. The author also turned down the first offer to make this franchise into an anime.

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* Episode 8 is about a [[LightNovels light novel]] being made into an anime. [[LightNovel/OreNoImoutoGaKonnaNiKawaiiWakeGaNai Ore Imo]] ''LightNovel/{{Oreimo}}'' is a light novel that was made into an anime. In the episode they discuss "making each opening and ending different" and indeed each episode has a different opening and ending. The author also turned down the first offer to make this franchise into an anime.
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* Not once does anyone, including most of the fanbase, question Kirino's sexuality, only whether she has a complex about her big brother or not - even though the activity that kicks the whole story to a start is playing erotic games that focus on pretty ''girls''
** I do! I do! I think she's bi.
** Uhm, I play erogames, too, and the moe can be pretty much nonsexual. It's clear that Kirino wants a younger sister(She became sort of jealous of Kuroneko once), and she doesn't seem to get off on the sex scenes, as it's mostly "Kyaaaa, the reaction from the character was so cute!!!" Rather than: "Hah, haaah... That was hot..". The novel she wrote seemed to be more platonically inclined, as there was nothig hinting that it might be romantic. Though, BiTheWay is a plausible explanation, too.
*** Dude, did you watch the episode about her playing eroge? She moe-ing over how hot it was (she actually said "THIS IS SO HOT!") so much that her brother barged in on her!
*** Could her sister complex be explained as some form of subconscious projection on how she wants to be doted on?
** She's clearly turned on by women (girls, really, but they're probably not much younger than her) in some contexts. Sexuality dynamics being what they are, she might not consider herself bi due to the whole "I can tell the difference between the 2d and 3d world" thing, but the subtext is obviously there.
* Elaborating on the above statement. At one point, Kirino has Kyosuke play an eroge called SisXSix, featuring two little sister heroines. Kyosuke obviously enjoys the route featuring the more mild soft spoken sister; but finds the other, tsundere sister Rinko, to be far too much like Kirino for his liking. After explaining ''to'' Kirino, about how much Rinko is similar to her, and explaining how he disliked that route ''because'' of said similarity; Kirino proceeds to launch into a tirade about how Kyosuke doesn't understand the charm of the character which in fact starkly resembles herself...Just to make that perfectly clear, Kirino wanted Kyosuke to like a pseudo copycat of ''her'' in an incest oriented video game. Oh yeah, she's projecting alright.
* It gets clear that Kirino can be pretty loud when moe-ing over her belove games. Why hasn't her brother noticed this earlier, since its confirmed that he can hear her?
** She was probably more careful about it before he found out about her hobby.
* (with the provisio that I've only started watching the series) Why is Kyōsuke so submissive to Kirino, e.g. doing whatever she wants, not calling her out for her hypocritical stance on playing H games, etc., even when he has a huge amount of dirt on her?
** Because his character is meant to replicate the submissiveness of the moe anime character (think Mikuru Asahina); the type of girl often featured in H-games (with the provisio that I haven't played them very much). It's a massive role reversal and massive ironic twist; it shows that the same traits that some [men] seek in that kind of anime character would actually be really annoying in real life.
** She's family, that's why. Two family members ignoring one another for years on end (as Kyousuke and Kirino were at the start) is a pretty terrible thing, especially in a family-centric culture like Japan's. Now that a dialogue has finally opened up between them after so many years, Kyousuke obviously wants to do everything he can to keep it that way. It's not quite a matter of submission, it's more that Kyousuke's trying to make up for all the years that he didn't make himself available to Kirino as her big brother. In fact, Kyousuke has a line in the manga that supports this:
---> '''Kyousuke''' (Internal Monologue): ''Even if she doesn't like me, or if she doesn't care, or even if she's conceited, rude, and uncute, I have to help my little sister!''
*** This is also supported in the anime itself, when Kyosuke goes to America to get Kirino to go back home, he literally says to her face, he doesn't care of she hates him, he just wants her to be there. Same in the non-canon PSP game, where Kyosuke breaks up with Ayase, and tells her face to face that he prioritizes Kirino over her.
** Because he's a true hero.
*** [[NecessaryWeasel Because it's a harem show and that's the kind of guy that most people who watch harem shows want to be: someone who will do anything for the woman they love.]]
* Saori [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Bajeena]]. At first she may seem to be little more than a ShoutOut to the alias Char Aznabel takes in Zeta Gundam. [[spoiler: Then cut to a scene where you don't see her face and she is flanked by two maids, showing her as a rich Ojou.]] Then it hit me; Quattro Bajeena was the alias Char used when he joined the AEUG, so that he could hide in plain sight and still achieve his goals. Now replace the goals of showing humanity the error of their ways with; wanting to buy anime, manga and eroge. Saori is being true to her ideals in the same way that Char was. Well played... - @/GXNext
* At first the opening song to the series IRONY by [=ClariS=] seems to be the kind of peppy anime song you would come to expect from a genre that shows the Otaku day-to-day life, much in the vein of Genshiken or similar shows. Then when you actually [[http://www.animelyrics.com/anime/oreimo/irony.htm understand the words]] the song becomes brilliant. If there were a nation for {{Tsundere}} ''this'' would be its NationalAnthem. - @/GXNext
* Kirino is a [[IncrediblyLamePun Model Student]], a track star athelete, and has a well paying job, she is everything the stereotypical good girl is. However she is a ''Literal'' Closet Otaku, seriously; she hides all of her eroge, anime and little sister items in a secret closet she hides behind a shelf unit.
* The reason Kirino could get her first novel published even though she had never written anything before it is because it was pornographic. Or at least borderline.
* [[Main.PatientChildhoodLoveInterest Manami]] [[Main.BewareTheNiceOnes Tamura]]. At first people were [[Main.BrokenBase either cheering for her or criticizing her]] since she wasn't as [[Main.TheGenericGuy remarkable]] as the other girls and because her defining trait was 'normality'. [[spoiler: No wonder a lot of readers/viewers--if not all--were seriously caught off guard by the complete 180 of Manami's prominence in the Kousaka siblings' Cold War and ultimately the indirect instigator of the series itself!!]]
** Another thing worth mentioning is the OddFriendship she shares with Ayase. Maybe it's because of the NiceGirl tendencies Manami and (occasionally) Ayase share. [[spoiler: Turns out they're NotSoDifferent, what with varying degrees of MoralGuardian tendencies and BitchInSheepsClothing attitudes. While Ayase acts out her mean attitude more openly to protect Kirino, Manami prefers the ManipulativeBitch method to subtly talk the Kousaka siblings into changing themselves drastically.]]
* Why is Kanako, despite declaring otakus as weird and/or disgusting, pretty easygoing and accepting when it comes to her cosplay job? It's mostly HatesTheJobLovesTheLimelight, but then FridgeBrilliance kicks in when you find out later on that [[spoiler: Kanako's sister, Kanata, is an otaku as well--to be specific, the author of Kuroneko's favorite series Maschera. So while Kanako may find anime and manga hobbies weird, she's ultimately okay with it.]]
* Episode 8 is about a [[LightNovels light novel]] being made into an anime. [[LightNovel/OreNoImoutoGaKonnaNiKawaiiWakeGaNai Ore Imo]] is a light novel that was made into an anime. In the episode they discuss "making each opening and ending different" and indeed each episode has a different opening and ending. The author also turned down the first offer to make this franchise into an anime.
* The siblings [[spoiler:coming together in the ending. It's right in the title!]]

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