History Fridge / OldKingdom

26th Nov '15 5:24:54 PM TheQueenofSpades
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** In ''Clariel'', Mogget mentions the creatures are specifically contained in such a way that they can't use their power, but can still communicate. Specifically, so that someone (presumably the Abhorsen or maybe one of the Royal line) can question them. Both free magic creatures [[spoiler: Clariel]] frees can remember the creation of the Charter, so the Abhorsens (and the Clayr, who have a similar containment system in the library) probably don't want to lose incredibly valuable pieces of living history. ** It's also nearly impossible to completely destroy them. Not all Abhorsens are equally dedicated to the job, and so a lot of the creatures were probably trapped by powerful Charter Mages doing the best that they can manage (like Lirael with the Stilken).
16th Jun '15 7:05:12 PM billybobfred
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* Y'know, it seems like Astarael would be a GameBreaker level bell if you just wore earplugs. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's magic, surely that won't actually work, but it's kinda weird that they never actually addressed the idea. [[spoiler:Except they did, at the beginning of ''Abhorsen''. Sam suggests wearing earplugs to ward against the thing under the well -- which is much later revealed to be Astarael herself -- and Mogget shoots the idea down, citing that you'd hear her voice in your very bones.]]
28th Apr '15 6:11:28 PM Somariel
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*** Yeah, at the end of ''Sabriel'', Lirael was '''''at most''''' a four-week-old ''fetus''. It's pretty clear from what Lirael sees in the Dark Mirror that she was conceived literally the night before Terciel started the trip to Belisaere that left him trapped in Death until Sabriel rescued him. Near the beginning of ''Sabriel'', when Sabriel is talking to Colonel Horyse before entering the Old Kingdom, Colonel Horyse says that the full moon will occur in fourteen days. Then, when Sabriel and Touchstone arrive back in Ancelstierre near the end of the book, Colonel Horyse tells them that the full moon is ''that night''. Sabriel does say after that that she's certain that she was in the Old Kingdom for at least sixteen days, but Colonel Horyse explains that there's often a small time discrepancy between Ancelstierre and the Old Kingdom. It's highly unlikely that it took Terciel more than a week to reach Belisaere from Abhorsen's House, so even if Sabriel was in the Old Kingdom for twenty days, that's still less than a month after Lirael's conception.

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* In the first chapter of ''Sabriel'', the narration says that the sound of the First Gate gets louder as the messenger from Sabriel's father passes through it, but every other time something passes through the First Gate (including at least one other instance in ''Sabriel''), the narration says that the sound of the gate ceases. It may be a simple case of the author changing his mind and forgetting to go back and edit, but there's also one noticeable difference between that first instance and all the other times--the messenger from Sabriel's father was passing ''from'' the '''First''' Precinct ''into'' the '''Second''' Precinct. Every other time something passes through the First Gate, it's going from the ''Second'' Precinct into the ''First'' Precinct.
19th Apr '15 1:05:23 AM YeMightyDespair
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** Yes, but Lirael was very young at that time and the Powers That Be probably thought that it was far too long a time for the Kingdom to go without a proper Abhorsen. And given all of the Dead and other nasties that plagued the land during that time, they were right.
30th Mar '15 1:49:40 AM SeptimusHeap
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** They may not have been invited in the first place, they may have snuck in. Plus, not all of them can be dealt with by Clayr; the Stilken, for example, can only be killed with Free Magic, something no self-respecting Clayr is going to use even for a good cause, but it can be sealed using Charter Magic. The others might have been kept around as research subjects, then forgotten about. They should really either stop doing that, start putting them in slightly less stupid places, or start taking inventory every couple of decades to make sure nothing unpleasant gets out, but where would the fun be in that? ** Or, as the Clayr can see the future and tend to plan ridiculously far ahead [[FridgeBrilliance maybe they're kept there waiting for some important reason in the future]], (like they did with the Remembrancer's tools for Lirael). ** It's also stated that by living so much in the future they tend to forget the present. There may be a bit of 'BystanderSyndrome' mentality if they don't See themselves doing something about it. ** The delay for categorising a new aquisition to the library is 50 years ''minimum''.

** Well, the two obvious reasons are: A.) Garth Nix hadn't thought up Lirael yet B.) Lirael was barely a newborn baby at that time and thus there was no one to immediately take over as Abhorsen if Sabriel died then.
30th Mar '15 1:26:56 AM starcrossedsoul
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**[[spoiler: Alternately, given that the royal and Abhorsen lines are still tightly mingled, any of Sam's children could easily become Lirael's successor. We don't really know if Wallmaker is something that can be passed down, or if it's Just Sam, Because of Fate.]]
14th Dec '14 5:34:00 AM NobodysSavior
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***No, he definitely remembers the marks from [[spoiler:the bell]] because that poem refers to the bloodlines: One in the people who wear the crown (Royals) Two in the folk who keep the dead down (the Abhorsen) Three and Five became stone and mortar (the Wallmakers, I guess there were two types) Four seems all in frozen water (the Clayr)
15th Nov '14 3:45:58 PM Katsuhagi
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** [[spoiler: The poor sod who gave their life to bind Orannis the last time he got out. The Dog put the kibosh on the noble sacrifice thing this time by biting off Lirael's hand.]]
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** [[spoiler: The poor sod who gave their life to bind Orannis the last time he got out. The Dog put the kibosh on the noble sacrifice thing this time by biting off Lirael's hand.hand, which managed to do the job on its own without costing her her life.]]
15th Nov '14 3:40:06 PM Katsuhagi
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* If, when [[spoiler: Orannis was bound by the Seven, they used seven wards to keep him sealed, since he was rebound by Eight, does this mean that there would be an eighth ward under the hill? And if so, since Yrael has BecomeTheMask, would it be a ward of fish?]]
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* If, when [[spoiler: Orannis was bound by the Seven, they used seven wards to keep him sealed, since he was rebound by Eight, does this mean that there would be an eighth ward under the hill? And if so, since Yrael has BecomeTheMask, went through BecomingTheMask, would it be a ward of fish?]]
15th Nov '14 12:26:18 PM Katsuhagi
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** "You're not a Clayr. Also, get off our Glacier."
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** "You're not a Clayr. Also, get off our Glacier."" Telling that to a person who's already potentially suicidal is a terrible idea.
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