History Fridge / NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors

13th Feb '18 11:38:41 AM Gosicrystal
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In the Shower room where you find [[spoiler: Snake's supposed body]], Santa talks about how the human body dies at 75 degrees Centigrade after examining the thermostat. He says a human body could only get that hot if it was in a sauna too long or.... [[spoiler: in an incinerator...]]
** And then he gets all pissy, because Junpei dismissed that as random trivia and hardly even noticed that Santa's mood withered as he talked about that. [[spoiler:As in, here is one of the people responsible for this whole game, doing what he's doing no matter how cruel it is for all of them, in order to maintain his sister in a StableTimeLoop, opening his heart and baring himself in a moment of weakness because of what does the facts about thermal effects on a human body represent to himself and his suffering... Aaaaaand his sister's crush doesn't even pay attention. Jerk.]]

to:

* In the Shower room where you find [[spoiler: Snake's supposed body]], Santa talks about how the human body dies at 75 degrees Centigrade after examining the thermostat. He says a human body could only get that hot if it was in a sauna too long or.... [[spoiler: in [[spoiler:in an incinerator...]]
**
]] And then he gets all pissy, because Junpei dismissed that as random trivia and hardly even noticed that Santa's mood withered as he talked about that. [[spoiler:As in, here is one of the people responsible for this whole game, doing what he's doing no matter how cruel it is for all of them, in order to maintain his sister in a StableTimeLoop, opening his heart and baring himself in a moment of weakness because of what does the facts about thermal effects on a human body represent to himself and his suffering... Aaaaaand his sister's crush doesn't even pay attention. Jerk.]]



* The "Previews" from the main menu. Why give the option to rewatch what is essentially a game trailer? [[spoiler:They show you which doors need to be taken in order to unlock the True Ending.]]
** [[spoiler:Subverted with one showing a shot of Lotus at the computer with dark eyes, as it may be hinting the doors ''not'' to go through (4 and 8) or she'll get angry at a remark, so you can't get the Safe Ending.]]
** Similarly, take a closer look at the 'Memories of Escape' option. [[spoiler: They're listed in this order: the room you begin at, the four sections that lead to the True Ending, the three sections for the Safe ending, and then the remaining rooms (which lead to the Sub ending, the only other one with credits).]]

to:

* The "Previews" from the main menu. Why give the option to rewatch what is essentially a game trailer? [[spoiler:They show you which doors need to be taken in order to unlock the True Ending.]] [[spoiler:Subverted with one showing a shot of Lotus at the computer with dark eyes, as it may be hinting the doors ''not'' to go through (4 and 8) or she'll get angry at a remark, so you can't get the Safe Ending.]]
** [[spoiler:Subverted with one showing a shot of Lotus at the computer with dark eyes, as it may be hinting the doors ''not'' to go through (4 and 8) or she'll get angry at a remark, so you can't get the Safe Ending.]]
** Similarly, take
* Take a closer look at the 'Memories of Escape' option. [[spoiler: They're [[spoiler:They're listed in this order: the room you begin at, the four sections that lead to the True Ending, the three sections for the Safe ending, and then the remaining rooms (which lead to the Sub ending, the only other one with credits).]]



** In the [[spoiler:Axe Ending]], [[spoiler:Ace tells Lotus that he wants to show her something. After Junpei asks to see it with Ace, he responds with "Once I've shown Lotus, I'll show you." Needless to say, it hints about Lotus' death in the Knife Ending.]]
* In Door 6, [[spoiler: Ace estimates about four engines of this size would power the ship. Ace has been on the Gigantic before (and its owner,) and recognizes the surroundings, He would naturally know the design.]]

to:

** * In the [[spoiler:Axe Ending]], [[spoiler:Axe]] Ending, [[spoiler:Ace tells Lotus that he wants to show her something. After Junpei asks to see it with Ace, he responds with "Once I've shown Lotus, I'll show you." Needless to say, it hints about Lotus' death in the Knife Ending.]]
* In Door 6, [[spoiler: Ace [[spoiler:Ace estimates about four engines of this size would power the ship. Ace has been on the Gigantic before (and its owner,) and recognizes the surroundings, He would naturally know the design.]]



* The 1st Class Cabin gives us [[spoiler: this little hint to Snake's name, Light, on examining a lamp]]:
-->[[spoiler: '''Junpei''': Well, at least we've got light.]]\\
[[spoiler: '''Snake''': What!?]]\\
[[spoiler: '''Junpei''': H-huh? What the hell, man? It's... It's just a light.]]\\
[[spoiler: '''Snake''': O-oh... Of... Of course...]]\\
[[spoiler: '''Junpei''': ?]]

to:

* The 1st Class Cabin gives us [[spoiler: this little hint to Snake's [[spoiler:Snake's name, Light, Light,]] on examining a lamp]]:
-->[[spoiler: '''Junpei''':
lamp:
-->'''Junpei''':
Well, at least we've got light.]]\\
[[spoiler:
\\
'''Snake''': What!?]]\\
[[spoiler:
What!?\\
'''Junpei''': H-huh? What the hell, man? It's... It's just a light.]]\\
[[spoiler:
\\
'''Snake''': O-oh... Of... Of course...]]\\
[[spoiler:
\\
'''Junpei''': ?]]?



** Some other endings hint at this, too. [[spoiler: The disappearance of Lotus' bracelet is also remarked on in the "Knife" ending, and in the "Ax" ending, Ace wants to show Lotus something special while Junpei remained at the elevator to wait for Clover and the others.]]
* In the True Ending you find out that [[spoiler: the last "9" door is actually a "q." This works better in the Japanese version because the Japanese word for 9 is "kyu" and is pronounced like the English letter.]]
** [[spoiler:This can be considered written around in the English version, when you realize that Zero never verbally says the last door is a '9': just the typed rules given to everyone where the font makes '9' and 'q' look the same.]]

to:

** Some other endings hint at this, too. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The disappearance of Lotus' bracelet is also remarked on in the "Knife" ending, and in the "Ax" ending, Ace wants to show Lotus something special while Junpei remained at the elevator to wait for Clover and the others.]]
* In the True Ending you find out that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the last "9" door is actually a "q." This works better in the Japanese version because the Japanese word for 9 is "kyu" and is pronounced like the English letter.]]
**
]] [[spoiler:This can be considered written around in the English version, when you realize that Zero never verbally says the last door is a '9': just the typed rules given to everyone where the font makes '9' and 'q' look the same.]]



** Speaking of which, about that... [[spoiler: The gun is hidden in such a way that someone must put the correct cards with faces of the various characters on them into the correctly numbered cases to get it. Ace has no means of getting the gun without someone else's help.]]

to:

** Speaking of which, about that... [[spoiler: The * [[spoiler:The gun is hidden in such a way that someone must put the correct cards with faces of the various characters on them into the correctly numbered cases to get it. Ace has no means of getting the gun without someone else's help.]]



** Also, when in [[spoiler: the Captain's Quarters]] there is a spot where you can have a major plot conversation with [[spoiler: Clover]], but if you didn't satisfy the conditions for the conversation Junpei will remark about a sharp pain in his chest. [[spoiler: Missing this part of the conversation leads to the ax ending where Junpei is hit with an ax. I interpreted the blow striking him in the chest as it didn't instantly kill him.]]

to:

** Also, when in [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Captain's Quarters]] there is a spot where you can have a major plot conversation with [[spoiler: Clover]], but if you didn't satisfy the conditions for the conversation Junpei will remark about a sharp pain in his chest. [[spoiler: Missing this part of the conversation leads to the ax ending where Junpei is hit with an ax. I interpreted the blow striking him in the chest as it didn't instantly kill him.]]



* There are actually [[spoiler: three doors with the number 9 (at least, originally, before Zero changed the last number 9 door to a q.) Remember the title of the game? ''999''.]]
* The key to the final room in the "good ending" [[spoiler: has the Neptune symbol. The astrological sign associated with Neptune is Pisces, and the symbol of Pisces is two symbiotic fish swimming in different directions.]] Seems like some subtle foreshadowing [[spoiler: of the ultimate significance of the Junpei/Akane relationship]]

to:

* There are actually [[spoiler: three [[spoiler:three doors with the number 9 (at least, originally, before Zero changed the last number 9 door to a q.) q). Remember the title of the game? ''999''.]]
* The key to the final room in the "good ending" [[spoiler: has [[spoiler:has the Neptune symbol. The astrological sign associated with Neptune is Pisces, and the symbol of Pisces is two symbiotic fish swimming in different directions.]] Seems like some subtle foreshadowing [[spoiler: of the ultimate significance of the [[spoiler:the Junpei/Akane relationship]]relationship]].



* [[spoiler: Everyone remembers Akane as dead, even in the true ending when she never died. Why? She planted the thought in their heads. The morphogenetic field is used both to implant ideas in the heads of others as well as to receive ideas yourself, remember, and Akane is clearly very, very good at accessing the field, and is a stronger 'transmitter' than 'receiver.' She also knew, upon exiting the incinerator, that she needed to have died in order to survive, and so she overrides everyone's memories of the event with the event that never happened, that of her being burned alive, resulting in false memories for all involved. This might also explain why June doesn't seem to know much more than anyone else about what the true path is - when young!Akane changed the perception of the events in the field she changed her own perception of events as well, which left her hazy on the details of what decisions led to what end.]]

to:

* [[spoiler: Everyone [[spoiler:Everyone remembers Akane as dead, even in the true ending when she never died. Why? She planted the thought in their heads. The morphogenetic field is used both to implant ideas in the heads of others as well as to receive ideas yourself, remember, and Akane is clearly very, very good at accessing the field, and is a stronger 'transmitter' than 'receiver.' She also knew, upon exiting the incinerator, that she needed to have died in order to survive, and so she overrides everyone's memories of the event with the event that never happened, that of her being burned alive, resulting in false memories for all involved. This might also explain why June doesn't seem to know much more than anyone else about what the true path is - when young!Akane changed the perception of the events in the field she changed her own perception of events as well, which left her hazy on the details of what decisions led to what end.]]



* The joint digital root in alphanumeric of [[spoiler: "I am Zero" is [6]...]] Almost certainly unintentional, but still cool.

to:

* The joint digital root in alphanumeric of [[spoiler: "I [[spoiler:"I am Zero" is [6]...]] Almost certainly unintentional, but still cool.



* June's bracelet [[spoiler:looks like a 6, but is really a 9.]] Going with the Enneagram motif, June herself [[spoiler:looks like a naive peacemaker (9), but is really a mistrustful, cunning genius (6)]].
** [[spoiler: One problem with that. June is Zero. Her bracelet is also [0]. Santa is the one who actually has [9]. This has been confirmed by WordOfGod.]]



** [[spoiler: First set: 4 + 5 = 9]]
** [[spoiler: Second set: 3 + 7 + 8 = 18, 1 + 8 = 9]]
** [[spoiler: Third set: 1 + 2 + 6 = 9]]
** [[spoiler: Final set: 9 + 9 = 18, 1 + 8 = 9]]
** This is really just a necessary side effect of making it such that each set can be explored in parallel using all participants.

to:

** [[spoiler: First set: 4 + 5 = 9]]
9
** [[spoiler: Second set: 3 [[spoiler:3 + 7 + 8 = 18, 1 + 8 = 9]]
** [[spoiler: Third set: 1 [[spoiler:1 + 2 + 6 = 9]]
** [[spoiler: Final set: 9 [[spoiler:9 + 9 = 18, 1 + 8 = 9]]
** This is really just a necessary side effect of making it such that each set can be explored in parallel using all participants.
9]]



* Akane's behavior throughout the game, teasing Junpei, but also acting oddly innocent and seemingly not always realizing when she's doing something to turn him on. [[spoiler:All in all, you could say she's acting more like a 12-year-old with a crush than a mature 21-year-old, couldn't you? She knew that her younger self was watching her and didn't want to do anything that the younger Akane wouldn't do, so she basically acted like a 12-year-old all game long. And, yes, from what little we can see from flashbacks, Kanny ''did'' tease Jumpy quite a bit when they were younger, though her teasing was obviously a tad more innocent in nature.]]
** In fact, her entire behavior could also be useful as [[spoiler: a shield in case Snake broke his rule and talked about the first Nonary Game and exposed her identity as June, never mind the fact that ''she should be dead'', she could always claim to have suffered mentally and never emotionally matured as a result.]]

to:

* Akane's behavior throughout the game, teasing Junpei, but also acting oddly innocent and seemingly not always realizing when she's doing something to turn him on. [[spoiler:All in all, you could say she's acting more like a 12-year-old with a crush than a mature 21-year-old, couldn't you? She knew that her younger self was watching her and didn't want to do anything that the younger Akane wouldn't do, so she basically acted like a 12-year-old all game long. And, yes, from what little we can see from flashbacks, Kanny ''did'' tease Jumpy quite a bit when they were younger, though her teasing was obviously a tad more innocent in nature.]]
**
]] In fact, her entire behavior could also be useful as [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a shield in case Snake broke his rule and talked about the first Nonary Game and exposed her identity as June, never mind the fact that ''she should be dead'', she could always claim to have suffered mentally and never emotionally matured as a result.]]



* FromACertainPointOfView, everything in the title is a lie. To wit: [[spoiler: upon the discovery of "Cap," it's revealed that more than nine people are wearing bracelets; upon the discovery of multiple doors labeled "9", it's revealed that there are more than nine doors; and upon the discovery that they weren't implanted with bombs on a sinking ship, it seems probable that the participants had more than nine hours.]]
** Not exactly. The reason that the [[spoiler:Safe Ending]] is a failure despite Junpei still being alive is that [[spoiler:he failed to retrieve the answer that past!Akane needed in time. Evidently the morphogenetic fields run on SanDimasTime, so the "nine hours" portion is still accurate, at least for Akane's purposes.]]



* A minor one, but the fact that there's a mirror in the 3rd Class Cabin happens to be very important in hindsight, as is the reason why there's an important item taped to it. [[spoiler: It's so that Past!Akane can see who she's reaching out to and realize it's Junpei.]]

to:

* A minor one, but the The fact that there's a mirror in the 3rd Class Cabin happens to be very important in hindsight, as is the reason why there's an important item taped to it. [[spoiler: It's so that Past!Akane can see who she's reaching out to and realize it's Junpei.]]



* This exchange takes [[BlackHumour a whole new meaning]] if you consider [[spoiler: what happened to Young!Akane originally]]:

to:

* This exchange takes [[BlackHumour a whole new meaning]] if you consider [[spoiler: what [[spoiler:what happened to Young!Akane originally]]:



* [[spoiler: And no one else thought it was creepy that Akane's fevers were because you weren't doing it right and she was burning to death in the incinerator?]]
** Furthermore, [[spoiler: She may have suffered it several times, depending on your interpretation. It's a wonder she kept so much of her sanity...]]
* On a similar note, Junpei's "misunderstanding" conversation with June at the elevator is hilarious... until you realize [[spoiler: it's pretty unlikely that June's description of drowning would've been "heard from people who have experienced it", as she claims. Instead, in this context she's probably describing her own experience of drowning in an alternate timeline.]]

to:

* [[spoiler: And no one else thought it was creepy that Akane's fevers were happen because you [[spoiler:you weren't doing it right and she was burning to death in the incinerator?]]
**
incinerator.]] Furthermore, [[spoiler: She [[spoiler:she may have suffered it several times, depending on your interpretation. It's a wonder she kept so much of her sanity...]]
* On a similar note, Junpei's "misunderstanding" conversation with June at the elevator is hilarious... until you realize [[spoiler: it's pretty unlikely that June's description of drowning would've been "heard from people who have experienced it", as she claims. Instead, in this context she's probably describing her own experience of drowning in an alternate timeline.]]



* Think about the cryptic line from the Safe Ending ([[spoiler:"You haven't lost... ''I'' have lost."]]). Now think about who is probably saying it. [[spoiler: ''Ouch'', [[BigBrotherInstinct Aoi]]...]]

to:

* Think about the cryptic line from the Safe Ending ([[spoiler:"You haven't lost... ''I'' have lost."]]). Now think about who is probably saying it. [[spoiler: ''Ouch'', [[spoiler:''Ouch'', [[BigBrotherInstinct Aoi]]...]]



* [[spoiler:Morphogenetic connections can only be formed between two people who love each other (familially, as between Clover and Snake, or romantically), the same person in different periods of time, or two people who are in a very similar situation (like Past!Akane and Junpei). So, who was so important to William Stead that the 'echoes' of their death on the Titanic rippled BACK to him before the event even happened? How much of his loved one's agony did he see?]]
** This one is actually explained in the sequels, although not directly: [[spoiler: Stead was a shifter. He's also a real person who actually died on the titanic. He simply shifted back after getting killed and described it.]]

!!FridgeLogic:
* Junpei can point this out in game.
--> '''Junpei:''' "Why would I have a favorite pair of socks?"\\
'''Clover:''' "Stop asking questions and just go along with it!"

to:

* [[spoiler:Morphogenetic connections can only be formed between two people who love each other (familially, as between Clover and Snake, or romantically), the same person in different periods of time, or two people who are in a very similar situation (like Past!Akane and Junpei). So, who was so important to William Stead that the 'echoes' of their death on the Titanic rippled BACK to him before the event even happened? How much of his loved one's agony did he see?]]
**
see?]] This one is actually explained further in the sequels, although not directly: [[spoiler: Stead [[spoiler:Stead was a shifter. He's also a real person who actually died on the titanic.Titanic. He simply shifted back after getting killed and described it.]]

!!FridgeLogic:
* Junpei can point this out in game.
--> '''Junpei:''' "Why would I have a favorite pair of socks?"\\
'''Clover:''' "Stop asking questions and just go along with it!"
]]
29th Oct '17 2:56:38 PM infernape612
Is there an issue? Send a Message





-->[[spoiler: ''Junpei'': Well, at least we've got light.]]
-->[[spoiler: ''Snake'': What!?]]
-->[[spoiler: ''Junpei'': H-huh? What the hell, man? It's... It's just a light.]]
-->[[spoiler: ''Snake'': O-oh... Of... Of course...]]
-->[[spoiler: ''Junpei'': ?]]

to:

-->[[spoiler: ''Junpei'': '''Junpei''': Well, at least we've got light.]]
-->[[spoiler: ''Snake'': What!?]]
-->[[spoiler: ''Junpei'':
]]\\
[[spoiler: '''Snake''': What!?]]\\
[[spoiler: '''Junpei''':
H-huh? What the hell, man? It's... It's just a light.]]
-->[[spoiler: ''Snake'':
]]\\
[[spoiler: '''Snake''':
O-oh... Of... Of course...]]
-->[[spoiler: ''Junpei'':
]]\\
[[spoiler: '''Junpei''':
?]]
22nd Aug '17 8:10:59 PM Upgrader
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The entire game is narrated both from Junpei's point of view and in third person. [[spoiler: As it turn out, it's Past!Akane looking through Junpei's eyes.]]
** Also, when Seven tells his past as a cop, we don't see him telling Junpei, instead the story is told to the player directly. [[spoiler: Because Akane already knows.]]

to:

* The entire game is narrated both from Junpei's point of view and in third person. [[spoiler: As it turn out, it's Past!Akane looking through Junpei's eyes.]][[note]]The compilation rerelease does this a different way: "Adventure Mode" (the equivalent of the DS's top screen) is revealed to the "Junpei Vision", while "Novel Mode" (the equivalent of the bottom screen, with no textboxes) is revealed to be "Akane Vision".[[/note]] This gives some of the bottom screen's exposition dialogue new context:
** The narrator gives odd descriptions of corpses such as comparing them to a macabre crab with pizza dough spilling out. [[spoiler: Those descriptions are actually being made by past Akane; how else would a 12 year old describe a corpse with such limited vocabulary?]]
** The narration sometimes briefly breaks third person before the major WhamLine: when Lotus beats up Junpei for saying her sign is the woman symbol with devil horns, the narration says "Such violence..." Much more notable however, is a moment at the very beginning of the game: when Junpei recalls his encounter with Zero, the narration describes the state of Junpei's apartment, including the open window. [[spoiler: The narration then says "Huh. That's weird... Did I leave that open...?". In-game, this line has no quotation marks, meaning that this is past Akane, while looking into Junpei's recollection of his kidnapping, wondering if her future self left the window open when she entered the apartment to capture Junpei and set up the future Nonary Game.
]]
** The narrator gets cut off when [[spoiler: in the Safe ending, Ace draws his gun and puts it to Lotus's head. Past Akane can't keep up with things happening extremely quickly]].
** Also, when Seven tells his certain conversations, such as Santa talking about Cradle and Soporil, and Seven's past as a cop, we don't see him them telling Junpei, instead the story is told to the player directly. [[spoiler: Because Akane already knows.]][[note]]This doesn't apply to ''The Nonary Games'' rerelease; in that version, many pieces of exposition that were in the DS bottom screen are integrated to the dialogue.[[/note]]
* The very last puzzle has the player [[spoiler:turn the DS upside-down, reflecting that for the first time, ''Junpei'' is solving the puzzle and sending the answer to ''Akane'', which is the opposite of you've been doing up until that point.
]]



* The very last puzzle has the player [[spoiler:turn the DS upside-down, reflecting that you're now playing as ''Junpei'' instead of ''Akane'', which you've been doing up until that point.]]

to:

* The very last puzzle has the player [[spoiler:turn the DS upside-down, reflecting that you're now playing as ''Junpei'' instead of ''Akane'', which you've been doing up until that point.]]



* The narrator gives odd descriptions of corpses such as comparing them to a macabre crab with pizza dough spilling out. [[spoiler: Those descriptions are actually being made by a 12 year old Akane, how else would a 12 year old describe a corpse with such limited vocabulary?]]
29th Jul '17 1:27:51 AM ergeis
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

* Akane's Japanese codename is Murasaki. The first syllable, mu, sounds similar the Japanese word for [[spoiler:"nothing". In other words, zero.]]
30th Jun '17 4:30:33 PM GuiRitter
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** [[spoiler:Actually, due to the nature of timelines explained in the sequel, ''all the endings are canon''. Safe was a colossal failure to save Kanny, but the information that was gathered from it was needed to transmitted to the Junpei of the True timeline. This actually means that she not only experiences her theoretical death in the incinerator (depending on the idea of that was an idea incepted into Seven, Clover and Snake), she experiences death through Junpei at least three times]].

to:

*** [[spoiler:Actually, due to the nature of timelines explained in the sequel, ''all the endings are canon''. Safe was a colossal failure to save Kanny, but the information that was gathered from it was needed to be transmitted to the Junpei of the True timeline. This actually means that she not only experiences her theoretical death in the incinerator (depending on the idea of that was an idea incepted into Seven, Clover and Snake), she experiences death through Junpei at least three times]].
30th Jun '17 4:19:42 PM GuiRitter
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Why does June make such a big scene both when everyone's looking at the destroyed body of the 9th Man and, what everyone thought, was Snake? At first you'd just pass it off as a kinda realistic reaction to being in such a tense situation while seeing such mangled dead bodies. But then you find out [[spoiler:she wouldn't be feeling like she was in a tense situation, and she was the one who set up both of the deaths. It could have just been to make herself look the part of the innocent. Although...it's highly likely she did it to get Junpei to focus on her and stop looking at the bloody scenes. ''She knew her 12 year old self was watching through Junpei's eyes''. She did it so her 12 year old self didn't have to see the horrific scenes for any longer then need-be]].

to:

* Why does June make such a big scene both when everyone's looking at the destroyed body of the 9th Man and, what everyone thought, was Snake? At first you'd just pass it off as a kinda realistic reaction to being in such a tense situation while seeing such mangled dead bodies. But then you find out [[spoiler:she wouldn't be feeling like she was in a tense situation, and she was the one who set up both of the deaths. It could have just been to make herself look the part of the innocent. Although...it's highly likely she did it to get Junpei to focus on her and stop looking at the bloody scenes. ''She knew her 12 year old self was watching through Junpei's eyes''. She did it so her 12 year old self didn't have to see the horrific scenes for any longer then than need-be]].
30th Jun '17 4:11:01 PM GuiRitter
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Through the various endings, Junpei frequently [[spoiler: has a HeroicBSOD where he becomes a 'shell of his former self' and is 'no longer Junpei.' In most circumstances, this is the result of June's death. Watching the events from the past, Akane's horror at learning of her own death is entangling with Junpei's, making it hard to tell who Junpei any longer. The only time that Junpei recovers from these shocks quickly is when he confirms that she had died in the past; a shock, but a paradox that the both of them can push aside their despair for to try and puzzle through it.]]

to:

* Through the various endings, Junpei frequently [[spoiler: has a HeroicBSOD where he becomes a 'shell of his former self' and is 'no longer Junpei.' In most circumstances, this is the result of June's death. Watching the events from the past, Akane's horror at learning of her own death is entangling with Junpei's, making it hard to tell who Junpei is any longer. The only time that Junpei recovers from these shocks quickly is when he confirms that she had died in the past; a shock, but a paradox that the both of them can push aside their despair for to try and puzzle through it.]]
10th Jun '17 7:17:53 AM NNinja
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** ''Zero Time Dilemma'' offers another but no less Fridge-Brilliant explanation: [[spoiler: When C-team got their hands on the antidote Carlos had a vision of Junpei's death in the pantry timeline. Shifters can see other timelines and espers can resonate with each other amplifying their abilities. That's why they saw it. Seven might not be esper himself but he was surrounded by espers playing the Nonary Game, that's why everyone involved remembers both timelines.]]




to:

* It seems weird at first glance that Junpei can't figure out what's going on through Akane's head when they're examining the bedroom, especially when Elevator Scene shows that he can be quite horny himself. But he's mindlinked with 12-year old Akane who's still a child, she's too innocent to figure out what her older self is thinking and that confusion is rubbing off on Junpei.
10th Jun '17 6:32:03 AM NNinja
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

** This one is actually explained in the sequels, although not directly: [[spoiler: Stead was a shifter. He's also a real person who actually died on the titanic. He simply shifted back after getting killed and described it.]]
18th Feb '17 8:04:00 AM ZorotheGallade
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* This exchange takes [[BlackHumour a whole new meaning]] if you consider [[spoiler: what happened to Young!Akane originally]]:
-->'''June''': Jumpy, you lit the candle.
-->'''Junpei''': Yeah. You want me to light your heart on fire?
-->'''June''': ...
-->'''Junpei''': ...
-->'''June''': Jumpy... Don't quit your day job, okay?
This list shows the last 10 events of 82. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Fridge.NineHoursNinePersonsNineDoors