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** There would be an investigation into his death and as a result a lot of facts would come out about the dam. Recall that in the beginning, Taylor told Paine that he wanted the bill to go through without any fuss so that people would not ask probing questions about it-- those would be the exact same questions that would come up with a dramatic death hanging over the bill. Taylor's machine would probably try to spin it as Smith's crooked actions driving his honorable friend to suicide, but most likely Smith would be vindicated in the end, just after several months rather than immediately.
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** There would be an investigation into his death and as a result a lot of facts would come out about the dam. Recall that in the beginning, Taylor told Paine that he wanted the bill to go through without any fuss so that people would not ask probing questions about it-- those would be the exact same questions that would come up with a dramatic death hanging over the bill. Taylor's machine would probably try to spin it as Smith's crooked actions driving his honorable friend to suicide, but most likely Smith would be vindicated in the end, just after several months rather than immediately.immediately.
*Jefferson Smith’s father, a newspaper publisher, was murdered in his office while investigating criminal activity. Could it have been Taylor’s criminal activity? And could Senator Paine have been an accessory to the murder?
*Jefferson Smith’s father, a newspaper publisher, was murdered in his office while investigating criminal activity. Could it have been Taylor’s criminal activity? And could Senator Paine have been an accessory to the murder?
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** There would be an investigation into his death and as a result a lot of facts would come out about the dam. Recall that in the beginning, Taylor told Paine that he wanted the bill to go through without any fuss so that people would not ask probing questions about it-- those would be the exact same questions that would come up with a dramatic death hanging over the bill. Taylor's machine would probably try to spin it as Smith's crooked actions driving his honorable friend to suicide, but most likely Smith would be vindicated in the end, just after several months rather than immediately.
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* Taylor's master plan was to make Jeff Smith the legal owner of the land which he wishes to dam. How does Taylor profit from this?
** Presumably he would have gotten some kind of large kickback for helping to build the dam.
** He had the children who would benefit from the camp donate so he could buy the land outright. By Taylor giving Smith the land, it would make Smith look like a crook, since he wouldn't need to raise funds to buy it, and would thus be "pocketing the nickels of school children."
* If Smith was really a crook who owned the land around Willett Creek, as Taylor's character assassination alleged, then he would have had no good reason to oppose the bill put forward by the corrupt senators in favor of his own bill-- either way he would be the one to get the money!
** Perhaps to make it look like an attempt at VillainWithGoodPublicity?
* Jeff is crazy about American history and civics. How come he doesn't know more about the workings of the Senate or how a bill is introduced?
** Maybe that had to do with Federal government process (at least intricate ones) well-known to the American public?
* For that matter, how can he not know about James Taylor, who owns nearly every newspaper in his state (and probably radio stations along with them), numerous businesses, probably has the state legislature in his pocket... The fact that he doesn't know ''who Taylor is'' is unbelievable for a man that into civics and public affairs.
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* Taylor's master plan was to make Jeff Smith the legal owner of the land which he wishes to dam. How does Taylor profit from this?
** Presumably he would have gotten some kind of large kickback for helping to build the dam.
** He had the children who would benefit from the camp donate so he could buy the land outright. By Taylor giving Smith the land, it would make Smith look like a crook, since he wouldn't need to raise funds to buy it, and would thus be "pocketing the nickels of school children."
* If Smith was really a crook who owned the land around Willett Creek, as Taylor's character assassination alleged, then he would have had no good reason to oppose the bill put forward by the corrupt senators in favor of his own bill-- either way he would be the one to get the money!
** Perhaps to make it look like an attempt at VillainWithGoodPublicity?
* Jeff is crazy about American history and civics. How come he doesn't know more about the workings of the Senate or how a bill is introduced?
** Maybe that had to do with Federal government process (at least intricate ones) well-known to the American public?
* For that matter, how can he not know about James Taylor, who owns nearly every newspaper in his state (and probably radio stations along with them), numerous businesses, probably has the state legislature in his pocket... The fact that he doesn't know ''who Taylor is'' is unbelievable for a man that into civics and public affairs.
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** There would be an investigation into his death and as a result a lot of facts would come out about the dam. Recall that in the beginning, Taylor told Paine that he wanted the bill to go through without any fuss so that people would not ask probing questions about it-- those would be the exact same questions that would come up with a dramatic death hanging over the bill. Taylor's machine would probably try to spin it as Smith's crooked actions driving his honorable friend to suicide, but most likely Smith would be vindicated in the end, just after several months rather than immediately.
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* Taylor's master plan was to make Jeff Smith the legal owner of the land which he wishes to dam. How does Taylor profit from this?
** Presumably he would have gotten some kind of large kickback for helping to build the dam.
** He had the children who would benefit from the camp donate so he could buy the land outright. By Taylor giving Smith the land, it would make Smith look like a crook, since he wouldn't need to raise funds to buy it, and would thus be "pocketing the nickels of school children."
* If Smith was really a crook who owned the land around Willett Creek, as Taylor's character assassination alleged, then he would have had no good reason to oppose the bill put forward by the corrupt senators in favor of his own bill-- either way he would be the one to get the money!
** Perhaps to make it look like an attempt at VillainWithGoodPublicity?
* Jeff is crazy about American history and civics. How come he doesn't know more about the workings of the Senate or how a bill is introduced?
** Maybe that had to do with Federal government process (at least intricate ones) well-known to the American public?
* For that matter, how can he not know about James Taylor, who owns nearly every newspaper in his state (and probably radio stations along with them), numerous businesses, probably has the state legislature in his pocket... The fact that he doesn't know ''who Taylor is'' is unbelievable for a man that into civics and public affairs.immediately.
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* Taylor's master plan was to make Jeff Smith the legal owner of the land which he wishes to dam. How does Taylor profit from this?
** Presumably he would have gotten some kind of large kickback for helping to build the dam.
** He had the children who would benefit from the camp donate so he could buy the land outright. By Taylor giving Smith the land, it would make Smith look like a crook, since he wouldn't need to raise funds to buy it, and would thus be "pocketing the nickels of school children."
* If Smith was really a crook who owned the land around Willett Creek, as Taylor's character assassination alleged, then he would have had no good reason to oppose the bill put forward by the corrupt senators in favor of his own bill-- either way he would be the one to get the money!
** Perhaps to make it look like an attempt at VillainWithGoodPublicity?
* Jeff is crazy about American history and civics. How come he doesn't know more about the workings of the Senate or how a bill is introduced?
** Maybe that had to do with Federal government process (at least intricate ones) well-known to the American public?
* For that matter, how can he not know about James Taylor, who owns nearly every newspaper in his state (and probably radio stations along with them), numerous businesses, probably has the state legislature in his pocket... The fact that he doesn't know ''who Taylor is'' is unbelievable for a man that into civics and public affairs.
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* Remember ''MrSmithGoesToWashington''? That uplifting story about how a regular Joe exposes the graft in Washington, bringing down a corrupt political machine? He probably prevented the creation of hundreds of jobs (in the Great Depression, no less) and stopped rural communities from getting access to electricity. He also alienated the President and lost his state most of its power and influence in the Senate, so when World War II rolls around in a few years, they're not going to get much of the economic boost that came from the increase in industry. (See [[http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/04/01/amateur-presidents/ here]].)
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* Remember ''MrSmithGoesToWashington''? ''Film/MrSmithGoesToWashington''? That uplifting story about how a regular Joe exposes the graft in Washington, bringing down a corrupt political machine? He probably prevented the creation of hundreds of jobs (in the Great Depression, no less) and stopped rural communities from getting access to electricity. He also alienated the President and lost his state most of its power and influence in the Senate, so when World War II rolls around in a few years, they're not going to get much of the economic boost that came from the increase in industry. (See [[http://www.overthinkingit.com/2010/04/01/amateur-presidents/ here]].)
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* Jeff is crazy about American history and civics. How come he doesn't know more about the workings of the Senate or how a bill is introduced?
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* Jeff is crazy about American history and civics. How come he doesn't know more about the workings of the Senate or how a bill is introduced?introduced?
* For that matter, how can he not know about James Taylor, who owns nearly every newspaper in his state (and probably radio stations along with them), numerous businesses, probably has the state legislature in his pocket... The fact that he doesn't know ''who Taylor is'' is unbelievable for a man that into civics and public affairs.
* For that matter, how can he not know about James Taylor, who owns nearly every newspaper in his state (and probably radio stations along with them), numerous businesses, probably has the state legislature in his pocket... The fact that he doesn't know ''who Taylor is'' is unbelievable for a man that into civics and public affairs.
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** Perhaps to make it look like an attempt at VillainWithGoodPublicity?
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** Perhaps to make it look like an attempt at VillainWithGoodPublicity?VillainWithGoodPublicity?
* Jeff is crazy about American history and civics. How come he doesn't know more about the workings of the Senate or how a bill is introduced?
* Jeff is crazy about American history and civics. How come he doesn't know more about the workings of the Senate or how a bill is introduced?
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* If Smith was really a crook who owned the land around Willett Creek, as Taylor's character assassination alleged, then he would have had no good reason to oppose the bill put forward by the corrupt senators in favor of his own bill-- either way he would be the one to get the money!money!
** Perhaps to make it look like an attempt at VillainWithGoodPublicity?
** Perhaps to make it look like an attempt at VillainWithGoodPublicity?
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** Unlikely. The damn location was probably close by Smith's home since he expresses great familiarity with it and they are clearly getting along fine, with electricity for that matter. While The Boys Camp being in the same place as the dam was what got his attention in the first place, Smith opposes the damn because from his own research earlier he knew the area did not need the dam at all. That's why he was totally baffled that they would build one there in the first place since, "There are other areas in the state that really need the water!" Building the dam there would have deprived an actual needy location of the money needed for a dam.
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** Unlikely. The damn dam location was probably close by Smith's home since he expresses great familiarity with it and they are clearly getting along fine, with electricity for that matter. While The Boys Camp being in the same place as the dam was what got his attention in the first place, Smith opposes the damn dam because from his own research earlier he knew the area did not need the dam at all. That's why he was totally baffled that they would build one there in the first place since, "There are other areas in the state that really need the water!" Building the dam there would have deprived an actual needy location of the money needed for a dam.
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** Unlikely. The damn location was probably close by Smith's home since he expresses great familiarity with it and they are clearly getting along fine, with electricity for that matter. While The Boys Camp being in the same place as the dam was what got his attention in the first place, Smith opposes the damn because from his own research earlier he knew the area did not need the damn at all. That's why he was totally baffled that they would build one there in the first place since, "There are other areas in the state that really need the water!" Building the dam there would have deprived an actual needy location of the money needed for a dam.
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** Unlikely. The damn location was probably close by Smith's home since he expresses great familiarity with it and they are clearly getting along fine, with electricity for that matter. While The Boys Camp being in the same place as the dam was what got his attention in the first place, Smith opposes the damn because from his own research earlier he knew the area did not need the damn dam at all. That's why he was totally baffled that they would build one there in the first place since, "There are other areas in the state that really need the water!" Building the dam there would have deprived an actual needy location of the money needed for a dam.
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** There would be an investigation into his death and as a result a lot of facts would come out about the dam. Recall that in the beginning, Taylor told Paine that he wanted the bill to go through without any fuss so that people would not ask probing questions about it-- those would be the exact same questions that would come up with a dramatic death hanging over the bill. Taylor's machine would probably try to spin it as Smith's crooked actions driving his honorable friend to suicide, but most likely Smith would be vindicated in the end, just after several months rather than immediately.
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** He had the children who would benefit from the camp donate so he could buy the land outright. By Taylor giving Smith the land, it would make Smith look like a crook, since he wouldn't need to raise funds to buy it, and would thus be "pocketing the nickels of school children."
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** He had the children who would benefit from the camp donate so he could buy the land outright. By Taylor giving Smith the land, it would make Smith look like a crook, since he wouldn't need to raise funds to buy it, and would thus be "pocketing the nickels of school children.""
* If Smith was really a crook who owned the land around Willett Creek, as Taylor's character assassination alleged, then he would have had no good reason to oppose the bill put forward by the corrupt senators in favor of his own bill-- either way he would be the one to get the money!
* If Smith was really a crook who owned the land around Willett Creek, as Taylor's character assassination alleged, then he would have had no good reason to oppose the bill put forward by the corrupt senators in favor of his own bill-- either way he would be the one to get the money!
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* So, at the end, when Smith collapses, Pain tries to commit suicide by shooting himself, only to have the gun wrestled away from him. In response, he announces that everything Smith said was right, vindicating him. Now, what would've happened if he was ''successful'' in his suicide attempt?
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* Unlikely. The damn location was probably close by Smith's home since he expresses great familiarity with it and they are clearly getting along fine, with electricity for that matter. While The Boys Camp being in the same place as the dam was what got his attention in the first place, Smith opposes the damn because from his own research earlier he knew the area did not need the damn at all. That's why he was totally baffled that they would build one there in the first place since, "There are other areas in the state that really need the water!" Building the dam there would have deprived an actual needy location of the money needed for a dam.
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* Unlikely. The damn location was probably close by Smith's home since he expresses great familiarity with it and they are clearly getting along fine, with electricity for that matter. While The Boys Camp being in the same place as the dam was what got his attention in the first place, Smith opposes the damn because from his own research earlier he knew the area did not need the damn at all. That's why he was totally baffled that they would build one there in the first place since, "There are other areas in the state that really need the water!" Building the dam there would have deprived an actual needy location of the money needed for a dam.
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The project itself was legitimate, and WOULD have created jobs, irrigation and given electricity to people who probably never had electricity in their lives.
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The project itself was legitimate, and WOULD have created jobs, irrigation and given electricity to people who probably never had electricity in their lives.
lives. So by stopping the bill, Smith denied his constituants a hydroelectric dam that would have improved their lives, and alienated them from the Senate.
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** Presumably he would have gotten some kind of large kickback for helping to build the dam.
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** Presumably he would have gotten some kind of large kickback for helping to build the dam.dam.
** He had the children who would benefit from the camp donate so he could buy the land outright. By Taylor giving Smith the land, it would make Smith look like a crook, since he wouldn't need to raise funds to buy it, and would thus be "pocketing the nickels of school children."
** He had the children who would benefit from the camp donate so he could buy the land outright. By Taylor giving Smith the land, it would make Smith look like a crook, since he wouldn't need to raise funds to buy it, and would thus be "pocketing the nickels of school children."
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This project WOULD have created jobs, irrigation and given electricity to people who probably never had electricity in their lives.
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This project WOULD have created jobs, irrigation and electricity.
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This project WOULD have created jobs, irrigation and electricity.
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*** Was it a total scam? Because once the project gets approved and nothing happens, that's going to raise a lot of suspicions, and land Taylor in a lot of trouble. Wasn't he actually planning on submitting an inflated budget, cooking the books and pocketing the leftovers?
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*** Was It wasn't a scam or a fraud, it was a total scam? Because once graft. Taylor bought up land along Willet Creek and had his puppet senator propose a bill to build a dam on the creek. To construct the dam, land along the creek would have to be bought by the government, since it was a government sponsored dam, and Taylor would make a very nice profit.\\
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This projectgets approved WOULD have created jobs, irrigation and nothing happens, that's going to raise a lot of suspicions, and land Taylor in a lot of trouble. Wasn't he actually planning on submitting an inflated budget, cooking the books and pocketing the leftovers?electricity.
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*** Was it a total scam? Because once the project gets approved and nothing happens, that's going to raise a lot of suspicions, and land Taylor in a lot of trouble. Wasn't he actually planning on submitting an inflated budget, cooking the books and pocketing the leftovers?
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* Taylor's master plan was to make Jeff Smith the legal owner of the land which he wishes to dam. How does Taylor profit from this?
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* Taylor's master plan was to make Jeff Smith the legal owner of the land which he wishes to dam. How does Taylor profit from this?this?
** Presumably he would have gotten some kind of large kickback for helping to build the dam.
** Presumably he would have gotten some kind of large kickback for helping to build the dam.
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** That was what the Taylor machine was telling people. The whole second half of the film is about how people are being TOLD the dam will create jobs, etc. but it's all a scam. This is the whole reason Smith's filibuster doesn't work (until Payne snaps).
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