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** To elaborate, starting off with ''[[VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings EarthBound Beginnings / Mother]]'', [[spoiler:when you fight Giygas, you don't just throw all of your attacks at him and have an [[EasternRPG epic turn based battle.]] In fact, you don't throw any punches at all. You're not ''supposed'' to, anyway. What you '''are''' supposed to do, is sing the "Eight Melodies" you gathered on your journey to Giygas, the one that Maria, the "Mother" who raised him, sung to him as a baby. He constantly interrupts you, but the intervals at which he cuts you off come later and later until you finish the song and, overwhelmed by his emotions of abandonment and love for his Mother and his duty to his race, he decides to run away.]]
** In ''[[VideoGame/{{Earthbound}} EarthBound/MOTHER 2]]'', Andonuts [[spoiler:sends the team back to the past where [[EldritchAbomination Giygas]] was launching his attack... [[RealRobot in robots]]. The start of the fight involves you fighting Pokey instead of Giygas. Pokey later turns off the "Devil's Machine", which ramps up the horror level of Giygas. This is where you start putting to use Paula's "Pray" ability. It gets to a point, though, that Giygas essentially '''EATS PAULA'S PRAYER'''.]]

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** To elaborate, starting off with ''[[VideoGame/EarthBoundBeginnings EarthBound Beginnings / Mother]]'', [[spoiler:when when you fight Giygas, you don't just throw all of your attacks at him and have an [[EasternRPG epic turn based battle.]] In fact, you don't throw any punches at all. You're not ''supposed'' to, anyway. What you '''are''' supposed to do, is sing the "Eight Melodies" you gathered on your journey to Giygas, the one that Maria, the "Mother" who raised him, sung to him as a baby. He constantly interrupts you, but the intervals at which he cuts you off come later and later until you finish the song and, overwhelmed by his emotions of abandonment and love for his Mother and his duty to his race, he decides to run away.]]
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** In ''[[VideoGame/{{Earthbound}} EarthBound/MOTHER 2]]'', Andonuts [[spoiler:sends sends the team back to the past where [[EldritchAbomination Giygas]] was launching his attack... [[RealRobot in robots]]. The start of the fight involves you fighting Pokey instead of Giygas. Pokey later turns off the "Devil's Machine", which ramps up the horror level of Giygas. This is where you start putting to use Paula's "Pray" ability. It gets to a point, though, that Giygas essentially '''EATS PAULA'S PRAYER'''.]]



*** Even then, it only happens once, and then the damage from the prayers starts ramping up to '''five'''-digit figures. ([[BreakingTheFourthWall She even asks YOU, the player, for your prayers.]]) [[spoiler:'''[[CombinedEnergyAttack This]]''' is what ultimately kills Giygas.]]
** The final boss battle of ''VideoGame/{{MOTHER 3}}'' (and even the penultimate boss battle) do not definitively end with Lucas and the gang beating the opponent. When you fight [[spoiler:Porky (aka the same Pokey Minch that fled via time travel in Videogame/{{Earthbound}}), after taking enough damage, he ends up locking himself in the Absolutely Safe Capsule]]. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin It lives up to its name]]. And the '''final''' boss battle against the Masked Man [[spoiler:(aka Claus)]] isn't quite a boss battle. The Masked Man fires an intense bolt of lightning at the gang, which knocks out everyone except for Lucas, only because of the recently polished Franklin Badge. Lucas can't will himself to attack at all [[spoiler:up until the point where the Masked Man fires PK Love at him... [[HeroicSacrifice and their father keeps BOTH shots from hitting Lucas.]]]] Meanwhile, you have [[spoiler:Hinawa's ghost]] trying to bring [[spoiler:Claus]] back to his senses, and she fails the first couple of times. Until she succeeds, the Masked Man is pretty much [[CurbStompBattle kicking your ass]], with the only thing you can find yourself able to do is block and heal yourself. [[spoiler:Claus comes to his senses, dealing lower and lower damage until it becomes pitiful single-digit damage. [[HeroicSuicide Finally, before he sinks back into his brainwashing and realizing the gravity of what he's done, as well as the desire to be with his Mother again, he shoots at Lucas, knowing full well that his Franklin Badge is going to reflect it full force back at him.]]]] [[FakeUltimateHero Truly, the protagonists never actually defeat]] the FinalBoss — [[spoiler:the FinalBoss either gets killed from a CombinedEnergyAttack, or are defeated by their own emotions]].
** Furthermore, in a way, [[spoiler:''Mother 3'''s final boss mirrors the boss in the other two games. Because Giegue...]]
*** [[spoiler:...'s mother has died.]]
*** [[spoiler:Is out to destroy planet Earth.]]
*** [[spoiler:At one point in time turned into an EldritchAbomination ]]
*** [[spoiler:And is defeated by his emotions.]]

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*** Even then, it only happens once, and then the damage from the prayers starts ramping up to '''five'''-digit figures. ([[BreakingTheFourthWall She even asks YOU, the player, for your prayers.]]) [[spoiler:'''[[CombinedEnergyAttack '''[[CombinedEnergyAttack This]]''' is what ultimately kills Giygas.]]
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** The final boss battle of ''VideoGame/{{MOTHER 3}}'' (and even the penultimate boss battle) do not definitively end with Lucas and the gang beating the opponent. When you fight [[spoiler:Porky Porky (aka the same Pokey Minch that fled via time travel in Videogame/{{Earthbound}}), after taking enough damage, he ends up locking himself in the Absolutely Safe Capsule]].Capsule. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin It lives up to its name]]. And the '''final''' boss battle against the Masked Man [[spoiler:(aka Claus)]] (aka Claus) isn't quite a boss battle. The Masked Man fires an intense bolt of lightning at the gang, which knocks out everyone except for Lucas, only because of the recently polished Franklin Badge. Lucas can't will himself to attack at all [[spoiler:up up until the point where the Masked Man fires PK Love at him... [[HeroicSacrifice and their father keeps BOTH shots from hitting Lucas.]]]] ]] Meanwhile, you have [[spoiler:Hinawa's ghost]] Hinawa's ghost trying to bring [[spoiler:Claus]] Claus back to his senses, and she fails the first couple of times. Until she succeeds, the Masked Man is pretty much [[CurbStompBattle kicking your ass]], with the only thing you can find yourself able to do is block and heal yourself. [[spoiler:Claus Claus comes to his senses, dealing lower and lower damage until it becomes pitiful single-digit damage. [[HeroicSuicide Finally, before he sinks back into his brainwashing and realizing the gravity of what he's done, as well as the desire to be with his Mother again, he shoots at Lucas, knowing full well that his Franklin Badge is going to reflect it full force back at him.]]]] ]] [[FakeUltimateHero Truly, the protagonists never actually defeat]] the FinalBoss — [[spoiler:the the FinalBoss either gets killed from a CombinedEnergyAttack, or are defeated by their own emotions]].
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** Furthermore, in a way, [[spoiler:''Mother ''Mother 3'''s final boss mirrors the boss in the other two games. Because Giegue...]]
Giegue...
*** [[spoiler:...:...'s mother has died.]]
died.
*** [[spoiler:Is Is out to destroy planet Earth.]]
Earth.
*** [[spoiler:At At one point in time turned into an EldritchAbomination ]]
EldritchAbomination
*** [[spoiler:And And is defeated by his emotions.]]



* So, that weird line, right? "Who has lost his tail? The ship of the one who forever sails the cosmos." What's it mean? Let me break it down: The "one who has lost his tail" is obviously Giygas, we know that much. Now, what do you do when you lose something? You try and find it, right? So, Giygas is trying to find his "tail", i.e chasing it. He's going mad trying to get something he can't get to. But what is this "tail"? [[spoiler:His END. It's the person the Apple of Enlightenment said would eventually destroy him.]] When Giygas found out he'd be destroyed, he lost his tail, and began to go mad trying to find it. So if you're following, Ness is the "tail" that he "lost". And here's the kicker: That "tail"? [[http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/image/screens/43/edententacle.png You see it.]] ''In Magicant, the world of Ness's subconcious.'' Itoi, you brilliant, brilliant man...

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* So, that weird line, right? "Who has lost his tail? The ship of the one who forever sails the cosmos." What's it mean? Let me break it down: The "one who has lost his tail" is obviously Giygas, we know that much. Now, what do you do when you lose something? You try and find it, right? So, Giygas is trying to find his "tail", i.e chasing it. He's going mad trying to get something he can't get to. But what is this "tail"? [[spoiler:His His END. It's the person the Apple of Enlightenment said would eventually destroy him.]] When Giygas found out he'd be destroyed, he lost his tail, and began to go mad trying to find it. So if you're following, Ness is the "tail" that he "lost". And here's the kicker: That "tail"? [[http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/image/screens/43/edententacle.png You see it.]] ''In Magicant, the world of Ness's subconcious.'' Itoi, you brilliant, brilliant man...



* [[WorldOfSymbolism Yet another subtle bit of symbolism I noticed]]: [[spoiler:In the first game, Giygas is a humanoid alien that could well be described as resembling a mammalian embryo.]] In the second game, much more infamously, [[spoiler:he takes on a form with imagery symbolic of a fetus]]. And, by game three, [[spoiler:his evil has manifested itself in Porky, a human child]].

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* [[WorldOfSymbolism Yet another subtle bit of symbolism I noticed]]: [[spoiler:In In the first game, Giygas is a humanoid alien that could well be described as resembling a mammalian embryo.]] embryo. In the second game, much more infamously, [[spoiler:he he takes on a form with imagery symbolic of a fetus]]. fetus. And, by game three, [[spoiler:his his evil has manifested itself in Porky, a human child]].child.



* And in the original ''Mother'', I still feel that it's an example of ThePowerOfLove. [[spoiler:Most examples turn "love" into magic sparkles or beams made of hearts in a very cheesy way, but in this game you ''literally defeat your enemy with the actual feeling of love.'' You short-circuit Giegue's KillAllHumans programming by reminding him of the human who loved him as her own child.]] And in case you haven't noticed, that is also why the game is called ''[[TitleDrop Mother]].''

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* And in the original ''Mother'', I still feel that it's an example of ThePowerOfLove. [[spoiler:Most Most examples turn "love" into magic sparkles or beams made of hearts in a very cheesy way, but in this game you ''literally defeat your enemy with the actual feeling of love.'' You short-circuit Giegue's KillAllHumans programming by reminding him of the human who loved him as her own child.]] And in case you haven't noticed, that is also why the game is called ''[[TitleDrop Mother]].''



* At first, you're thinking, [[spoiler:Hey, Maria's not dead after all! In fact, she's been Queen Mary all along, everything's gonna be alright.]] But then you realize [[spoiler:oh, wait — she was kidnapped and placed in a completely remote, barren area for supposedly the rest of her life with only her imagination to keep her company.]]
** [[spoiler:It's even worse, as it is heavily implied in the original version that Giygas himself killed Maria after freaking out because of her song, and imprisoned her mind within Magicant, probably believing that to be an act of mercy on his behalf.]]

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* At first, you're thinking, [[spoiler:Hey, Hey, Maria's not dead after all! In fact, she's been Queen Mary all along, everything's gonna be alright.]] alright. But then you realize [[spoiler:oh, oh, wait — she was kidnapped and placed in a completely remote, barren area for supposedly the rest of her life with only her imagination to keep her company.]]
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** [[spoiler:It's It's even worse, as it is heavily implied in the original version that Giygas himself killed Maria after freaking out because of her song, and imprisoned her mind within Magicant, probably believing that to be an act of mercy on his behalf.]]
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* How could George and Maria [[spoiler:have had a kid anyway]]? By the time George returns to Earth, [[spoiler:Maria has already been sealed in Magicant]], and the prologue makes no mention of them having children.

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* How could George and Maria [[spoiler:have have had a kid anyway]]? anyway? By the time George returns to Earth, [[spoiler:Maria Maria has already been sealed in Magicant]], Magicant, and the prologue makes no mention of them having children.



* Another consideration about the FinalBoss; the first form of [[spoiler:Giygas is a sphere with Ness's face on it]]. It's odd why it's like that; is it a psyche out? Instead, I then realized who's standing right next to him. [[spoiler:Porky has been by his side for a long time, probably ranting and complaining the whole time about Ness. Giygas is evil, and he's heard so much bad stuff about Ness that he can't help but see that as the appropriate Face of Evil.]]
** [[spoiler:Moreover, with all the conflicting statements Porky says, alternating between claiming to be Ness's best friend and trying to make his life miserable, it helps explain Giygas's decent into madness. His constant cries of "Ness..." his moans of pain, claiming it feels good, he's taken Porky's confused mind as his own. Pleasure is pain, enemies are friends... It's almost a FridgeHorror...]]

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* Another consideration about the FinalBoss; the first form of [[spoiler:Giygas Giygas is a sphere with Ness's face on it]].it. It's odd why it's like that; is it a psyche out? Instead, I then realized who's standing right next to him. [[spoiler:Porky Porky has been by his side for a long time, probably ranting and complaining the whole time about Ness. Giygas is evil, and he's heard so much bad stuff about Ness that he can't help but see that as the appropriate Face of Evil.]]
Evil.
** [[spoiler:Moreover, Moreover, with all the conflicting statements Porky says, alternating between claiming to be Ness's best friend and trying to make his life miserable, it helps explain Giygas's decent into madness. His constant cries of "Ness..." his moans of pain, claiming it feels good, he's taken Porky's confused mind as his own. Pleasure is pain, enemies are friends... It's almost a FridgeHorror...]]



** Could be Fridge Logic as well though, since Master Belch is [[spoiler:first fought in a factory where he forces Mr. Saturns to make Fly Honey]], so he'd be just as near to a source of his addiction in both situations.

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** Could be Fridge Logic as well though, since Master Belch is [[spoiler:first first fought in a factory where he forces Mr. Saturns to make Fly Honey]], Honey, so he'd be just as near to a source of his addiction in both situations.



* When Porky gets hired by the Happy cult and Monotoli, it doesn't add up. Why would they hire a little kid? [[spoiler:Because they both were brainwashed by the statue that serves Giygas, and Porky serves Giygas.]]

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* When Porky gets hired by the Happy cult and Monotoli, it doesn't add up. Why would they hire a little kid? [[spoiler:Because Because they both were brainwashed by the statue that serves Giygas, and Porky serves Giygas.]]



* One may wonder why it is an EldritchAbomination such as Giygas starts to become static, an obviously artificial display perceivable by the human eye, upon its defeat. Well, that's because the static isn't evidence of ''his'' death. [[spoiler:It's because the robot bodies that are perceiving the dying abomination are falling apart as well, and their vision is shorting out.]]
* Another observation regarding the robot bodies the Chosen Four occupy. During the final boss fight, [[spoiler:Giygas' battle music is more or less [[HellIsThatNoise static]] that is even more distorted as the fight progresses. Given the above example, it can also be interpreted as the audio input in the robot bodies picking up whatever bizarre signals Giygas gives off and outputs that into what we, the player, are hearing through the characters. It makes sense that during the beginning of the fight, we hear beeping. The second and middle sections when Giygas starts to undulate can be interpreted as an increase in signals, hence more chaotic than the incomprehensible droning. The last section of the fight is even more [[SoundtrackDissonance ear-splitting]] both because Giygas is lashing out and the robot heroes have taken heavy damage.]]

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* One may wonder why it is an EldritchAbomination such as Giygas starts to become static, an obviously artificial display perceivable by the human eye, upon its defeat. Well, that's because the static isn't evidence of ''his'' death. [[spoiler:It's It's because the robot bodies that are perceiving the dying abomination are falling apart as well, and their vision is shorting out.]]
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* Another observation regarding the robot bodies the Chosen Four occupy. During the final boss fight, [[spoiler:Giygas' Giygas' battle music is more or less [[HellIsThatNoise static]] that is even more distorted as the fight progresses. Given the above example, it can also be interpreted as the audio input in the robot bodies picking up whatever bizarre signals Giygas gives off and outputs that into what we, the player, are hearing through the characters. It makes sense that during the beginning of the fight, we hear beeping. The second and middle sections when Giygas starts to undulate can be interpreted as an increase in signals, hence more chaotic than the incomprehensible droning. The last section of the fight is even more [[SoundtrackDissonance ear-splitting]] both because Giygas is lashing out and the robot heroes have taken heavy damage.]]



* There are invisible walls in Moonside because it's actually [[spoiler:a storage room, meaning that you're still confined by the bounds of said room]]. This means that the Warp Men aren't actually teleporting you, just [[spoiler:altering your perception of Mani Mani's illusion]].

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* There are invisible walls in Moonside because it's actually [[spoiler:a a storage room, meaning that you're still confined by the bounds of said room]]. room. This means that the Warp Men aren't actually teleporting you, just [[spoiler:altering altering your perception of Mani Mani's illusion]].illusion.



* In the last verse of the Lyrics for the Love Theme, where Hinawa says "If I call out, he'll turn around. Give light to the small one who walks his path alone.", people might assume she's referring to [[spoiler:Claus, who's been alone ever since he set out on his path to avenge his mom and got turned into a Cyborg, and she's trying to bring him back from Porky's control]]. But, if you think about it, the last verse can apply to Lucas just as much. He may not have been alone on his journey, or even when he was grieving prior to the timeskip (thanks Boney), but asides from Claus, Lucas still suffered the most out of anyone in the game by far. Even if he had friends by his side and supporting him, he still had to shoulder all of that pain and sadness he's experienced on his own, as no one else had suffered to the same degree that he has or lost as much he has. This especially becomes painfully clear on the trip to Tanetane Island, when most of the hallucinations are based on his own fears/trauma and very few haunt Duster and Kumatora. Not to mention he has the weight on his shoulders of being the only one besides [[spoiler:his brainwashed brother]] who could pull the last needle and remake the world into one without evil and suffering. Hinawa isn't singing just about her trying to save Claus, she's also trying to give her strength and love to her other son, the one who's been through so much pain and has been so strong to keep going and do what's right, despite the terrible things that have happened to him. - Spiderfreak1011
* Towards the end of Chapter 1, when Flint and Alec meet the Magypsies and they tell them that [[spoiler:Claus showed up not too long earlier, and they directed him to where the Drago Plateau was]], Aeolia mentions how they taught him a "very powerful PSI Technique" before he left, and that he wouldn't be able to use it very easily. Now, upon replay and knowing that [[spoiler:Claus after this becomes the Masked Man who can use PK Love and pull the needles]], you might be inclined to believe this very powerful PSI technique [[spoiler:Claus]] learned was PK Love, since it's a very strong move and something only he and one other person can use. But if you think deeper into it, Ionia and the other Magypsies made a big deal about the fact that Lucas could learn PK Love to begin with, as not even they can use that PSI technique, and they realized it signaled that [[spoiler:people who could pull their needles had finally appeared to fulfill the prophecy]]. Yet, Aeolia says it very casually, as if what she taught [[spoiler:Claus]] was something that any of the Magypsies were capable of. So, what other PSI does he have later on that is known for being very powerful? He has his infamous One Hit KO Thunder attack, which is something not even Kumatora was taught. (It's implied with Kumatora that extremely powerful PSI techniques like that were not taught to her because they were dangerous and difficult to master.) And like Aeolia said, the technique [[spoiler:Claus]] learns is something he wouldn't be able to use very easily, and was something they were able to teach to him and unlike Kumatora, didn't have any qualms about doing so, as they clearly didn't care for his life and how he was so willing to throw it away for revenge. So, it's not a stretch to say that the move that Aeolia taught [[spoiler:Claus]] and by extension, The Masked Man, was his powerful Thunder technique.
** Further evidence to prove this is, when Lucas has his PSI awakened in Chapter 4, Ionia never teaches him how to use PK Love, Lucas just automatically unlocks the capability to use it once he awakens to his power. So, if the way [[spoiler:Claus]] learned PK Love was similar to Lucas's, then he would've automatically unlocked the power of PK Love once he was awakened to his psychic potential as well, and wouldn't have been something that Aeolia could've taught to him. Which only leaves the Thunder technique as for what she could've taught [[spoiler:Claus]].

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* In the last verse of the Lyrics for the Love Theme, where Hinawa says "If I call out, he'll turn around. Give light to the small one who walks his path alone.", people might assume she's referring to [[spoiler:Claus, Claus, who's been alone ever since he set out on his path to avenge his mom and got turned into a Cyborg, and she's trying to bring him back from Porky's control]].control. But, if you think about it, the last verse can apply to Lucas just as much. He may not have been alone on his journey, or even when he was grieving prior to the timeskip (thanks Boney), but asides from Claus, Lucas still suffered the most out of anyone in the game by far. Even if he had friends by his side and supporting him, he still had to shoulder all of that pain and sadness he's experienced on his own, as no one else had suffered to the same degree that he has or lost as much he has. This especially becomes painfully clear on the trip to Tanetane Island, when most of the hallucinations are based on his own fears/trauma and very few haunt Duster and Kumatora. Not to mention he has the weight on his shoulders of being the only one besides [[spoiler:his his brainwashed brother]] brother who could pull the last needle and remake the world into one without evil and suffering. Hinawa isn't singing just about her trying to save Claus, she's also trying to give her strength and love to her other son, the one who's been through so much pain and has been so strong to keep going and do what's right, despite the terrible things that have happened to him. - Spiderfreak1011
* Towards the end of Chapter 1, when Flint and Alec meet the Magypsies and they tell them that [[spoiler:Claus Claus showed up not too long earlier, and they directed him to where the Drago Plateau was]], was, Aeolia mentions how they taught him a "very powerful PSI Technique" before he left, and that he wouldn't be able to use it very easily. Now, upon replay and knowing that [[spoiler:Claus Claus after this becomes the Masked Man who can use PK Love and pull the needles]], needles, you might be inclined to believe this very powerful PSI technique [[spoiler:Claus]] Claus learned was PK Love, since it's a very strong move and something only he and one other person can use. But if you think deeper into it, Ionia and the other Magypsies made a big deal about the fact that Lucas could learn PK Love to begin with, as not even they can use that PSI technique, and they realized it signaled that [[spoiler:people people who could pull their needles had finally appeared to fulfill the prophecy]]. prophecy. Yet, Aeolia says it very casually, as if what she taught [[spoiler:Claus]] Claus was something that any of the Magypsies were capable of. So, what other PSI does he have later on that is known for being very powerful? He has his infamous One Hit KO Thunder attack, which is something not even Kumatora was taught. (It's implied with Kumatora that extremely powerful PSI techniques like that were not taught to her because they were dangerous and difficult to master.) And like Aeolia said, the technique [[spoiler:Claus]] Claus learns is something he wouldn't be able to use very easily, and was something they were able to teach to him and unlike Kumatora, didn't have any qualms about doing so, as they clearly didn't care for his life and how he was so willing to throw it away for revenge. So, it's not a stretch to say that the move that Aeolia taught [[spoiler:Claus]] Claus and by extension, The Masked Man, was his powerful Thunder technique.
** Further evidence to prove this is, when Lucas has his PSI awakened in Chapter 4, Ionia never teaches him how to use PK Love, Lucas just automatically unlocks the capability to use it once he awakens to his power. So, if the way [[spoiler:Claus]] Claus learned PK Love was similar to Lucas's, then he would've automatically unlocked the power of PK Love once he was awakened to his psychic potential as well, and wouldn't have been something that Aeolia could've taught to him. Which only leaves the Thunder technique as for what she could've taught [[spoiler:Claus]].Claus.



* In the same vein, it occurred to me (in part thanks to comments on this wiki) that the plot of the sequel, ''Mother 3'', concerns a villain [[spoiler:who ''refuses'' to lose his childhood innocence and lets it become twisted into a self-absorbed fantasy that he forces on the rest of the world. In the end, he's forced back into an artificial womb, where he stays forever]].
** And that leads to another realization: [[spoiler:It's hinted that he is, in fact, happy about being trapped in that capsule for eternity, all by himself. He's so childish that he chose to become an unborn infant again. Technically, you only begin to grow up after you're born, which he didn't want. So, he stays as childish as possible, both mentally and metaphorically.]]

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* In the same vein, it occurred to me (in part thanks to comments on this wiki) that the plot of the sequel, ''Mother 3'', concerns a villain [[spoiler:who who ''refuses'' to lose his childhood innocence and lets it become twisted into a self-absorbed fantasy that he forces on the rest of the world. In the end, he's forced back into an artificial womb, where he stays forever]].
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** And that leads to another realization: [[spoiler:It's It's hinted that he is, in fact, happy about being trapped in that capsule for eternity, all by himself. He's so childish that he chose to become an unborn infant again. Technically, you only begin to grow up after you're born, which he didn't want. So, he stays as childish as possible, both mentally and metaphorically.]]



* Related to [[spoiler:Porky]]. Most players are confused upon starting to play ''Mother 3'', mostly because the soundtrack isn't as similar as Earthbound's. [[spoiler:At least not until Chapter 4, where the town has been modernized, and plenty of songs from Earthbound start popping out, such as the Hotel's Theme in Yado's Inn, Summers' Theme in Tazmilly's Beach, etc. Now, what's one of Porky's main characteristics in this game?]]
* Another [[spoiler:Porky]] one, but more related to gameplay. [[spoiler:He constantly brags about his immortality during the battle with him. If you use cheats to fight him outside of when you're supposed to, he will never die, no matter how many times you use PK Love Omega, Starstorm, or Ground.]]

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* Related to [[spoiler:Porky]]. Porky: Most players are confused upon starting to play ''Mother 3'', mostly because the soundtrack isn't as similar as Earthbound's. [[spoiler:At At least not until Chapter 4, where the town has been modernized, and plenty of songs from Earthbound start popping out, such as the Hotel's Theme in Yado's Inn, Summers' Theme in Tazmilly's Beach, etc. Now, what's one of Porky's main characteristics in this game?]]
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* Another [[spoiler:Porky]] Porky one, but more related to gameplay. [[spoiler:He He constantly brags about his immortality during the battle with him. If you use cheats to fight him outside of when you're supposed to, he will never die, no matter how many times you use PK Love Omega, Starstorm, or Ground.]]



* After the final boss fight of ''Mother 3'', [[spoiler:Lucas talks to you, the player, and tells you that you can see him again whenever you like, which of course is meant to imply that you can see Lucas and company again whenever you feel like playing the game once more. However, this troper realized that this means pulling the final needle to destroy and recreate the world leads to a sort of reset on the entire universe of ''Mother 3''. Claus and Hinawa and everyone else are all brought back to life and when you play through the game a second (or third or fourth, etc.) time, the events repeat themselves, eventually culminating in yet another reset of the world of ''Mother 3''. Each time you decide to play again, Hinawa is killed and Claus dies and is reconstructed. Which, I suppose, could also qualify this as FridgeHorror.]] --Tropers/EtherealZephyr

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* After the final boss fight of ''Mother 3'', [[spoiler:Lucas Lucas talks to you, the player, and tells you that you can see him again whenever you like, which of course is meant to imply that you can see Lucas and company again whenever you feel like playing the game once more. However, this troper realized that this means pulling the final needle to destroy and recreate the world leads to a sort of reset on the entire universe of ''Mother 3''. Claus and Hinawa and everyone else are all brought back to life and when you play through the game a second (or third or fourth, etc.) time, the events repeat themselves, eventually culminating in yet another reset of the world of ''Mother 3''. Each time you decide to play again, Hinawa is killed and Claus dies and is reconstructed. Which, I suppose, could also qualify this as FridgeHorror.]] --Tropers/EtherealZephyr



* The [[spoiler:Absolutely Safe Capsule]] that [[spoiler:Porky]] hides in seems flawed at first, since it is inescapable. Then you realize how the name of the [[spoiler:Capsule]] and think about how crazy [[spoiler:Porky]] is, and realize. The [[spoiler:Capsule isn't meant to protect Porky,]] it [[spoiler:traps him inside, keeping everyone absolutely safe from HIM!]]
* Kumatora is a tomboy [[spoiler:because she was raised by the Magypsies]]. And she's a princess [[spoiler:because she was raised by ''drag queens'']].
* That [[spoiler:Dr Andonuts]] would be kidnapped and forced to make the chimeras makes more sense when you remember [[spoiler:he already had experience doing that in ''Earthbound''. Dungeon Man was his first mechanical chimera, followed by the chosen four's robot bodies]]. Of course, those subjects were willing...
* [[spoiler:The people who formed the population of Tazmily Village originally went to Nowhere Islands to escape [[ApocalypseHow the end of the world]]. They escaped the destruction of everywhere... by hiding in literal nowhere.]]
* A blunt one: after going through the game, we discover that [[spoiler:the Egg of Light is a device meant for [[LaserGuidedAmnesia taking away]] or giving back people's memories. Which Duster stole in Chapter 2. Following the TimeSkip, he has amnesia. Nay, it likely wasn't caused from a simple bump on the head; Duster had likely unwittingly activated the Egg in his escape. This is supported when he gets the Egg back in Chapter 5, after which his memories quickly return]].

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* The [[spoiler:Absolutely Absolutely Safe Capsule]] Capsule that [[spoiler:Porky]] Porky hides in seems flawed at first, since it is inescapable. Then you realize how the name of the [[spoiler:Capsule]] Capsule and think about how crazy [[spoiler:Porky]] Porky is, and realize. The [[spoiler:Capsule Capsule isn't meant to protect Porky,]] Porky, it [[spoiler:traps traps him inside, keeping everyone absolutely safe from HIM!]]
HIM!
* Kumatora is a tomboy [[spoiler:because because she was raised by the Magypsies]]. Magypsies. And she's a princess [[spoiler:because because she was raised by ''drag queens'']].
queens''.
* That [[spoiler:Dr Andonuts]] Dr Andonuts would be kidnapped and forced to make the chimeras makes more sense when you remember [[spoiler:he he already had experience doing that in ''Earthbound''. Dungeon Man was his first mechanical chimera, followed by the chosen four's robot bodies]].bodies. Of course, those subjects were willing...
* [[spoiler:The The people who formed the population of Tazmily Village originally went to Nowhere Islands to escape [[ApocalypseHow the end of the world]]. They escaped the destruction of everywhere... by hiding in literal nowhere.]]
nowhere.
* A blunt one: after going through the game, we discover that [[spoiler:the the Egg of Light is a device meant for [[LaserGuidedAmnesia taking away]] or giving back people's memories. Which Duster stole in Chapter 2. Following the TimeSkip, he has amnesia. Nay, it likely wasn't caused from a simple bump on the head; Duster had likely unwittingly activated the Egg in his escape. This is supported when he gets the Egg back in Chapter 5, after which his memories quickly return]].return.



* During the final battle, [[spoiler:as Claus is dying in Lucas's arms, text describing the scene says that "Lucas remembered Claus' smell". This is Lucas realizing his brother is about to die and getting just a tiny amount of sensory input from his body, just before he dies and they're gone forever]]. [[TearJerker It's a poignant and disturbingly accurate depiction of grief]], as this game is so well known for, but for a while I couldn't understand why his smell, of all things, was what Lucas remembered. Why not his face or the sound of his voice? Well, it turns out that smell is [[http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/smell3.htm one of the best senses we humans have for attaching and recalling memories]].

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* During the final battle, [[spoiler:as as Claus is dying in Lucas's arms, text describing the scene says that "Lucas remembered Claus' smell". This is Lucas realizing his brother is about to die and getting just a tiny amount of sensory input from his body, just before he dies and they're gone forever]].forever. [[TearJerker It's a poignant and disturbingly accurate depiction of grief]], as this game is so well known for, but for a while I couldn't understand why his smell, of all things, was what Lucas remembered. Why not his face or the sound of his voice? Well, it turns out that smell is [[http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/smell3.htm one of the best senses we humans have for attaching and recalling memories]].



* The identity of the BigBad is revealed rather anticlimactically. It's pretty casually revealed that he's [[spoiler:Porky]], and the party members aren't really shocked or anything. This is because, unlike the players, they wouldn't know anything about [[spoiler:Porky]]'s life prior to leading the Pigmasks. It's [[WildMassGuessing entirely possible]] that they already knew his actual name; there's no reason for him to make it a secret, but he just preferred "King P" and let that spread. If so, this would be an inversion of DramaticIrony; the characters know full well information that would seriously affect the players.
** Arguably, this is also the case for the revelation of [[spoiler:Claus]]. Lucas clearly recognizes ''something'', perhaps subconsciously.

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* The identity of the BigBad is revealed rather anticlimactically. It's pretty casually revealed that he's [[spoiler:Porky]], Porky, and the party members aren't really shocked or anything. This is because, unlike the players, they wouldn't know anything about [[spoiler:Porky]]'s Porky's life prior to leading the Pigmasks. It's [[WildMassGuessing entirely possible]] that they already knew his actual name; there's no reason for him to make it a secret, but he just preferred "King P" and let that spread. If so, this would be an inversion of DramaticIrony; the characters know full well information that would seriously affect the players.
** Arguably, this is also the case for the revelation of [[spoiler:Claus]].Claus. Lucas clearly recognizes ''something'', perhaps subconsciously.



** A much simpler explanation is that Fassad would have spent far more time with the Masked Man than low-ranking Pig Troopers, so he'd recognize him better. And he'd be more likely to know that [[spoiler:he has a twin brother]].
* ''Earthbound'' subverted the MoneySpider RPG trope by having Ness's dad give him money instead of directly relating it to fighting enemies, but ''MOTHER 3'' seems to play it straight, right? [[spoiler:But because the concept of money was essentially reinvented thanks to Porky, and because Porky is a twisted jerk who screws with people, why ''wouldn't'' he make it so that the best way to make money is to fight dangerous chimeras?]]
* The Pigmask Army are the ones to introduce money and the modern economy to the world. You know, [[spoiler:capitalist pigs]].

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** A much simpler explanation is that Fassad would have spent far more time with the Masked Man than low-ranking Pig Troopers, so he'd recognize him better. And he'd be more likely to know that [[spoiler:he he has a twin brother]].
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* ''Earthbound'' subverted the MoneySpider RPG trope by having Ness's dad give him money instead of directly relating it to fighting enemies, but ''MOTHER 3'' seems to play it straight, right? [[spoiler:But But because the concept of money was essentially reinvented thanks to Porky, and because Porky is a twisted jerk who screws with people, why ''wouldn't'' he make it so that the best way to make money is to fight dangerous chimeras?]]
chimeras?
* The Pigmask Army are the ones to introduce money and the modern economy to the world. You know, [[spoiler:capitalist pigs]].capitalist pigs.



* Why is The Masked Man's battle background the same as Evil Mani Mani? Because they both have one thing in common: corruption. Evil Mani Mani spread Giygas' corruption, and ultimately led to [[spoiler:Pokey/Porky's]] rise to evil. The Masked Man, however, is a '''victim''' of corruption, having been [[spoiler:brought back from near death, reshaped into an emotionless cyborg with barely a sliver of Claus left inside]].
* While the soundtrack borrows tunes and riffs from all sorts of sources from past games and beyond, there's exactly one song from outside the world of ''MOTHER'' that's totally unchanged from its source: [[spoiler:"Leder's Gymnopedie", which plays over the story of how humans left the outside world behind and came to the Nowhere Islands, as told by the only person left who remembers that outside world]].
* At first glance, it might seem odd that someone as obviously powerful as Fassad would have a monkey do his fighting. However, there's several reasons why he might prefer it that way. First, he's trying to appear harmless to get the villagers to buy into his schemes. Second, [[spoiler:prior to his being turned into a cyborg, he doesn't have a huge amount of personal power — except his psi-powers. But the only people in the setting who have psi-powers are those connected to the Magypsies, so using those would give away his identity, which — given his conventionally-male appearance and apparent identity — he's either rejecting, actively trying to conceal, or both]].

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* Why is The Masked Man's battle background the same as Evil Mani Mani? Because they both have one thing in common: corruption. Evil Mani Mani spread Giygas' corruption, and ultimately led to [[spoiler:Pokey/Porky's]] Pokey/Porky's rise to evil. The Masked Man, however, is a '''victim''' of corruption, having been [[spoiler:brought brought back from near death, reshaped into an emotionless cyborg with barely a sliver of Claus left inside]].
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* While the soundtrack borrows tunes and riffs from all sorts of sources from past games and beyond, there's exactly one song from outside the world of ''MOTHER'' that's totally unchanged from its source: [[spoiler:"Leder's "Leder's Gymnopedie", which plays over the story of how humans left the outside world behind and came to the Nowhere Islands, as told by the only person left who remembers that outside world]].
world.
* At first glance, it might seem odd that someone as obviously powerful as Fassad would have a monkey do his fighting. However, there's several reasons why he might prefer it that way. First, he's trying to appear harmless to get the villagers to buy into his schemes. Second, [[spoiler:prior prior to his being turned into a cyborg, he doesn't have a huge amount of personal power — except his psi-powers. But the only people in the setting who have psi-powers are those connected to the Magypsies, so using those would give away his identity, which — given his conventionally-male appearance and apparent identity — he's either rejecting, actively trying to conceal, or both]].both.



* Here's some FridgeHorror for ya: Earthbound is obviously a direct sequel to MOTHER, having similar themes and carrying on the story of Giygas. Earthbound takes place only a few years after MOTHER. However, MOTHER 3 seems to be in a very different universe with different themes and styles and the only recurring element is [[spoiler:Porky]]. However, [[spoiler:doesn't MOTHER 3 take place AfterTheEnd, when the world was reset and everyone's minds were wiped?]]
** By that same token, that would mean that what Ninten and his friends and Ness and his friends did to stop Giygas and save the world [[spoiler:was AllForNothing, as while Aliens didn't end up conquering the world, the people our heroes were protecting, ''Humankind'', destroyed the world instead]]. Even worse, there's a very likely possibility that [[spoiler: the end of the world]] happened within the lifetimes of Ninten and Ness and their friends, meaning that [[spoiler:they most likely died when the world ended like most of Earth's population]].
** Earthbound and MOTHER 1 are actually several decades apart. Regardless, they both evoke timeless nostalgia despite the theme of coming of age and the "danger" of loss of innocence. MOTHER 3 could be seen as the uncertainties of the future and the very real dangers presented by modernity as the world becomes less and less recognizable to those who came before. So yes, [[spoiler:AfterTheEnd both chronologically and metaphorically]].
* The end of ''Mother 3'' [[spoiler:when Claus dies, is very emotional. Then it becomes a whole new level of disturbing when you realize it was child suicide...]]
* [[AfterTheEnd After the end]], [[spoiler:everyone seems alive and well, and they're all in the same place. All of them. Every NPC, every playable character (except the ones who were already dead), and, most likely, every one of the Chimeras. Every. One. Of. Them. The Pigtunias, the Cattlesnakes, the Kangasharks ...and the Ultimate Chimera. Let me rephrase this: EVERYBODY IS IN THE SAME PLACE WITH THE ULTIMATE CHIMERA. Worrying about their safety yet?]]

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* Here's some FridgeHorror for ya: Earthbound is obviously a direct sequel to MOTHER, having similar themes and carrying on the story of Giygas. Earthbound takes place only a few years after MOTHER. However, MOTHER 3 seems to be in a very different universe with different themes and styles and the only recurring element is [[spoiler:Porky]]. Porky. However, [[spoiler:doesn't doesn't MOTHER 3 take place AfterTheEnd, when the world was reset and everyone's minds were wiped?]]
wiped?
** By that same token, that would mean that what Ninten and his friends and Ness and his friends did to stop Giygas and save the world [[spoiler:was was AllForNothing, as while Aliens didn't end up conquering the world, the people our heroes were protecting, ''Humankind'', destroyed the world instead]]. instead. Even worse, there's a very likely possibility that [[spoiler: the end of the world]] world happened within the lifetimes of Ninten and Ness and their friends, meaning that [[spoiler:they they most likely died when the world ended like most of Earth's population]].
population.
** Earthbound and MOTHER 1 are actually several decades apart. Regardless, they both evoke timeless nostalgia despite the theme of coming of age and the "danger" of loss of innocence. MOTHER 3 could be seen as the uncertainties of the future and the very real dangers presented by modernity as the world becomes less and less recognizable to those who came before. So yes, [[spoiler:AfterTheEnd AfterTheEnd both chronologically and metaphorically]].
metaphorically.
* The end of ''Mother 3'' [[spoiler:when when Claus dies, is very emotional. Then it becomes a whole new level of disturbing when you realize it was child suicide...]]
suicide...
* [[AfterTheEnd After the end]], [[spoiler:everyone everyone seems alive and well, and they're all in the same place. All of them. Every NPC, every playable character (except the ones who were already dead), and, most likely, every one of the Chimeras. Every. One. Of. Them. The Pigtunias, the Cattlesnakes, the Kangasharks ...and the Ultimate Chimera. Let me rephrase this: EVERYBODY IS IN THE SAME PLACE WITH THE ULTIMATE CHIMERA. Worrying about their safety yet?]]yet?



** [[spoiler:Not really. I assume that the dragon "reset" all of the chimeras, breaking them down to their original beings. The only thing to be terrified of is whatever made the Ultimate Chimera that vicious in the first place, and even then, it may not even be mad after being separated.]]

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** [[spoiler:Not Not really. I assume that the dragon "reset" all of the chimeras, breaking them down to their original beings. The only thing to be terrified of is whatever made the Ultimate Chimera that vicious in the first place, and even then, it may not even be mad after being separated.]]



* In the Empire Porky building, there is a room dedicated to Porky's "biggest fans". Most people who are old enough to play this game can tell that this is obviously a RoyalHarem in anything but name, filled with scantily clad women who dedicate all their time to giving their king his royal treatment. However, we find out only a few rooms later that [[spoiler:every single citizen of New Pork City has been brainwashed to love Porky, do whatever he wishes, and be happy about it. Putting two and two together, this means that, on top of all the other horrible things Porky has done, he is also a rapist]].
** Probably not. [[spoiler:If the whole point of Porky is that he's really immature and refuses to grow up, he probably has no sex drive. All those girls probably kiss him, maybe give him massages, and feed him, but what he does with them is likely a child's understanding of having it all, rather than actual sex.]]
** In addition to the above, [[spoiler:his body is old and decrepit, and doesn't seem to be in any shape for that sort of physical activity. Then again, [[{{Squick}} if he]] ''[[{{Squick}} does]]'' [[{{Squick}} use them for that purpose]]]], that may make him as Nintendo's most vile villain of all time, a title that he already isn't too far from getting.
** Furthermore, [[spoiler: all he instructed was to think of ways to make him happy. Essentially, that would mean that wearing almost nothing around him was their own decision, and there is nothing implying that all those people in general were ''forced'' into the tubes in the first place either.]]

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* In the Empire Porky building, there is a room dedicated to Porky's "biggest fans". Most people who are old enough to play this game can tell that this is obviously a RoyalHarem in anything but name, filled with scantily clad women who dedicate all their time to giving their king his royal treatment. However, we find out only a few rooms later that [[spoiler:every every single citizen of New Pork City has been brainwashed to love Porky, do whatever he wishes, and be happy about it. Putting two and two together, this means that, on top of all the other horrible things Porky has done, he is also a rapist]].
rapist.
** Probably not. [[spoiler:If If the whole point of Porky is that he's really immature and refuses to grow up, he probably has no sex drive. All those girls probably kiss him, maybe give him massages, and feed him, but what he does with them is likely a child's understanding of having it all, rather than actual sex.]]
sex.
** In addition to the above, [[spoiler:his his body is old and decrepit, and doesn't seem to be in any shape for that sort of physical activity. Then again, [[{{Squick}} if he]] ''[[{{Squick}} does]]'' [[{{Squick}} use them for that purpose]]]], purpose]], that may make him as Nintendo's most vile villain of all time, a title that he already isn't too far from getting.
** Furthermore, [[spoiler: Furthermore, all he instructed was to think of ways to make him happy. Essentially, that would mean that wearing almost nothing around him was their own decision, and there is nothing implying that all those people in general were ''forced'' into the tubes in the first place either.]]



* Probably also counts as FridgeBrilliance. Why did the Dark Dragon [[spoiler:destroy the world? Because that's what Lucas wanted him to do. He just witnessed his brother commit suicide and his world has basically been ruined by the Pigmasks. Lucas thinks it's better this way.]]

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* Probably also counts as FridgeBrilliance. Why did the Dark Dragon [[spoiler:destroy destroy the world? Because that's what Lucas wanted him to do. He just witnessed his brother commit suicide and his world has basically been ruined by the Pigmasks. Lucas thinks it's better this way.]]



* Since Porky [[spoiler:is trapped in the Absolutely Safe Capsule, won't he eventually starve? Dehydrate? Urinate or defecate himself? Get sick and die without access to medicine? Bet Porky didn't think this through, did he?]]

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* Since Porky [[spoiler:is is trapped in the Absolutely Safe Capsule, won't he eventually starve? Dehydrate? Urinate or defecate himself? Get sick and die without access to medicine? Bet Porky didn't think this through, did he?]]he?



* Just... What did Porky do to brainwash [[spoiler:Claus into becoming the Masked Man]]? And it apparently was so bad that he had to [[spoiler:kill himself in order to be free. Or he was thinking, "MyGodWhatHaveIDone"]]. What makes this even worse is that this happens to a KID WHO'S NO OLDER THAN 13!
** Considering that [[spoiler:Claus was basically turned into a cyborg,]] it's possible that he was [[spoiler:simply programmed into obeying Porky's command unconditionally, erasing any memories of his old life in the process]]l
* More of a Fridge TearJerker, but imagine how Kumatora must feel when her parental figures, the Magypsies, [[spoiler:all fade out of existence one by one due to either Lucas or the Masked Man pulling their needles and she even having to assist Lucas in this quest. We can even see a bit of sadness from her after Ionia is gone]].
** Then imagine the shock and terror when Kumatora learns that Fassad, the cruel, abusive, manipulative mastermind that was killed just a little bit before, turns out to be [[spoiler:a traitor, too. His true identity is revealed to be Locria, the last Magypsy, and one of Kumatora's caregivers as a child]]. Imagine not only the sadness, but the betrayal she must have felt after all that.

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* Just... What did Porky do to brainwash [[spoiler:Claus Claus into becoming the Masked Man]]? Man? And it apparently was so bad that he had to [[spoiler:kill kill himself in order to be free. Or he was thinking, "MyGodWhatHaveIDone"]]."MyGodWhatHaveIDone". What makes this even worse is that this happens to a KID WHO'S NO OLDER THAN 13!
** Considering that [[spoiler:Claus Claus was basically turned into a cyborg,]] cyborg, it's possible that he was [[spoiler:simply simply programmed into obeying Porky's command unconditionally, erasing any memories of his old life in the process]]l
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* More of a Fridge TearJerker, but imagine how Kumatora must feel when her parental figures, the Magypsies, [[spoiler:all all fade out of existence one by one due to either Lucas or the Masked Man pulling their needles and she even having to assist Lucas in this quest. We can even see a bit of sadness from her after Ionia is gone]].
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** Then imagine the shock and terror when Kumatora learns that Fassad, the cruel, abusive, manipulative mastermind that was killed just a little bit before, turns out to be [[spoiler:a :a traitor, too. His true identity is revealed to be Locria, the last Magypsy, and one of Kumatora's caregivers as a child]].child. Imagine not only the sadness, but the betrayal she must have felt after all that.



* Remember the bells in Tazmily Village, and how [[spoiler:they prevented the villagers' memories of the old destroyed world from reverting? Well, Leder isn't ringing the bell anymore. All those memories are coming back. And if you've read ''Literature/TheGiver'', you know what that's like.]]

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* Remember the bells in Tazmily Village, and how [[spoiler:they they prevented the villagers' memories of the old destroyed world from reverting? Well, Leder isn't ringing the bell anymore. All those memories are coming back. And if you've read ''Literature/TheGiver'', you know what that's like.]]



* The entire final fight is incredibly painful for Lucas - not just emotionally, but also physically. In terms of battle mechanics it might be shown as simple damage numbers, but think of what is actually happening story-wise. [[spoiler: Lucas is constantly slashed, stabbed and shot, while only being able to heal himself. His allies are unconcious, he's completely alone, with no one to help him. He can't stop the pain in any way. Even after mending his wounds, Claus attacks again. He can't give in and collapse either, as it would mean the end of everything. All he can do is endure it, over and over again, hoping his brother will come to his senses. This game is not kind to Lucas.]]

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* The entire final fight is incredibly painful for Lucas - not just emotionally, but also physically. In terms of battle mechanics it might be shown as simple damage numbers, but think of what is actually happening story-wise. [[spoiler: Lucas is constantly slashed, stabbed and shot, while only being able to heal himself. His allies are unconcious, he's completely alone, with no one to help him. He can't stop the pain in any way. Even after mending his wounds, Claus attacks again. He can't give in and collapse either, as it would mean the end of everything. All he can do is endure it, over and over again, hoping his brother will come to his senses. This game is not kind to Lucas.]]
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* Okay, since this is [[WorldOfSymbolism MOTHER]], this could very well be under FridgeBrilliance depending on how you look at it, but it'll be put here for simplicity's sake. So, the dragon? [[spoiler:The gigantic, world-defining dragon resting underneath the Nowhere Islands?]] It's got the needles stuck in its hide, right? Well, [[spoiler:the final needle is underneath New Pork City. And New Pork City is on a chunk of rock suspended several hundred feet above the ground. There's no way that needle could still be touching the dragon at that altitude.]]

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* Okay, since this is [[WorldOfSymbolism MOTHER]], this could very well be under FridgeBrilliance depending on how you look at it, but it'll be put here for simplicity's sake. So, the dragon? [[spoiler:The The gigantic, world-defining dragon resting underneath the Nowhere Islands?]] Islands? It's got the needles stuck in its hide, right? Well, [[spoiler:the the final needle is underneath New Pork City. And New Pork City is on a chunk of rock suspended several hundred feet above the ground. There's no way that needle could still be touching the dragon at that altitude.]]



* How exactly is Porky [[spoiler:bringing people from other time periods? Didn't Dr. Andonuts say that life was destroyed in the process of time travel?]]. Even in the improved one Porky was using, [[spoiler:it still left his body a barely-alive, immortal wreck]].
** [[spoiler:I'm fairly sure that it was after continual use that he was rendered immortal and messed up, during the fight with Giygas in Earthbound, so it's probably safe to assume he's not hopping all over the place with them.]]
** [[spoiler:Also, keep in mind that the idea that life is destroyed in the process of time travel is almost immediately contradicted by Porky's own presence in the past to fight alongside Giygas. Clearly Dr. Andonuts' time machine was imperfect and that life being destroyed by time travel was a limitation that Giygas and thus Porky surpassed.]]

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* How exactly is Porky [[spoiler:bringing bringing people from other time periods? Didn't Dr. Andonuts say that life was destroyed in the process of time travel?]]. travel?. Even in the improved one Porky was using, [[spoiler:it it still left his body a barely-alive, immortal wreck]].
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** [[spoiler:I'm I'm fairly sure that it was after continual use that he was rendered immortal and messed up, during the fight with Giygas in Earthbound, so it's probably safe to assume he's not hopping all over the place with them.]]
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** [[spoiler:Also, Also, keep in mind that the idea that life is destroyed in the process of time travel is almost immediately contradicted by Porky's own presence in the past to fight alongside Giygas. Clearly Dr. Andonuts' time machine was imperfect and that life being destroyed by time travel was a limitation that Giygas and thus Porky surpassed.]]
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** The Mani Mani Statue may be a reference to the golden calf. A gold statue of a false idol that ended up guiding people towards sin.
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* The last song that plays in Mother 2, Smiles and Tears, has a single spoken line in it; "I miss you." The song is a remix of Eight Melodies from the first game, so there are many ways that line can be interpreted. It could represent Giegue saying a final goodbye to Maria, his foster mother and where the whole series started. It could be The Chosen Four in Mother 2 saying goodbye to each other as they go their separate ways once the adventure is over. It could be Ninten and Ness' feelings of missing their own mothers while out saving the world. It can even apply to Mother 3 with Lucas missing his mother after she passes away.
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* Some fans have accused this game of [[CapitalismIsBad demonizing capitalism]] while [[ChummyCommies celebrating communism]]. If you take a deeper look, you’ll see that the game is criticizing both.
** As mentioned above, the game deconstructs the {{Eagleland}} setting that the last two games had. As Tazmily embraces the more modern style of society, they start to lose their sense of community. Instead of having jobs that focus on their crafts most of the townspeople take a train to do grueling work at a factory. Once they get home all they want to do is lay around at home and look at the happy box. The older citizens have been shoved into a retirement home that’s falling apart. There’s a little girl who would rather stay home and watch the happy box then go to the beach with her grandpa. Abbot and Abbey have filled their home with all the latest, expensive appliances and rub it in Lucas’ face. The message is pretty clear. The people of Tazmily have become distant from one another. They’ve become self-absorbed, no longer engaging with the community or showing any concern for their struggling neighbors. Another thing to point out is that everyone is living this way by choice. No one has forced this kind of lifestyle on them. Fassad only introduced the idea and gave them the option. Some of them even complain about how hard the work is, but then in the same breath criticize Lucas for not embracing this new way of life.
*** New Pork City also deserves a mention. It dazzles the people with its spectacular buildings and attractions. However, many of the people don’t notice how hollow the city is. Some of the buildings are just cardboard stands. The restaurants serve unhealthy overpriced food. The apartments underneath are rundown and covered in garbage. Porky, the city’s ruler, lives in a massive tower filled with abundant luxuries at the expense of everyone else. Everything that can be wrong with a large city is on full display.
** The way the game criticizes communism is mainly how fragile it is. At first this kind of society was working for Tazmily, but they were in a very specific situation. They were completely isolated on the Nowhere Islands with only about 50 people living in the town. Just enough for everyone to know each other on a personal level and no outside forces to worry about. As soon as an outside force did show up, it did not take long for the villagers to start abandoning this way of life. The Pigmask Army could have easily invaded the town and destroyed if they wanted to. They didn’t have to, all Fassad had to do was market the idea of working for money and buying things. We later find out that the people who founded Tazmily had their memories taken away. While this did help them establish the community, without the knowledge of what happened in the past they became doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
** Perhaps the message isn’t that either way is necessarily better or worse than the other, but that both have their pros and cons. Tazmily was successful early on with a well knit community who supported each other and led happy lives. The towns we saw in the last Mother games were also able to build their own communities without becoming isolated from one another. It’s possible for both to work, however their weaknesses need to be kept in mind and efforts must be taken to keep the community from falling apart.
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** Another possibility? [[HumansAreCthulhu It takes an equally incomprehensible being to defeat one.]] Paula calling you for help is bringing in a being that is even MORE "beyond" the game's world than Gigyas is- in short, you Bigger Fish Gigyas.
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*** And it's not even a common occurrence, just a [[YouCanPanicNow crazy]] UrbanLegend.

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*** And it's not even a common occurrence, just a [[YouCanPanicNow crazy]] crazy UrbanLegend.
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** When Buzz Buzz told Ness of the prophecy that he was destined to save the world, Pokey was scared to death about having that overbearing responsibility being put on his cowardly shoulders which then became twisted into even more jealousy towards Ness as he was going to become a hero.

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** When Buzz Buzz told Ness of the prophecy that he was destined to save the world, Pokey was scared to death at first about having that overbearing responsibility being put on his cowardly shoulders which spineless shoulders. However, that fear then became twisted into even more jealousy towards Ness as he was going to become a hero.

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* Why did Pokey turn from a timid and insufferable coward that talks big but will suddenly beg and grovel for help at the first sign of trouble to an egotistical and condescending douchebag who willingly chose to serve the ultimate evil?
** Pokey's abusive parentage eventually caused him to become jealous of Ness who obviously had a much more fortunate childhood than him.
** When Buzz Buzz told Ness of the prophecy that he was destined to save the world, Pokey was scared to death about having that overbearing responsibility being put on his cowardly shoulders which then became twisted into even more jealousy towards Ness as he was going to become a hero.
** Being brought back home to a spanking/yelling from his father, Aloysius, was the last straw that pushed Pokey's mind to the breaking point. After recovering from the shame, Pokey convinced himself through his moral myopia that it was Ness's fault and he would now go to any length to hinder and hurt Ness in a personal war of revenge against him.
** All of the above factors made it pitifully easy for Giygas influence to take root and blossom inside Pokey's mind to make him the most spiteful and dangerous traitor of humanity to have ever existed.
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** [[spoiler:Also, keep in mind that the idea that life is destroyed in the process of time travel is almost immediately contradicted by Porky's own presence in the past to fight alongside Giygas. Clearly Dr. Andonuts' time machine was imperfect and that life being destroyed by time travel was a limitation that Giygas and thus Porky surpassed.]]
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* In ''16 Melodies'', the credits theme, the last part of MOTHER's 8 Melodies is repeated a second time, the only part of either of the two 8 Melodies to be repeated. MOTHER's has lyrics- and what were the lyrics for that last section? [[ArcWords "Love, ]][[ThePowerOfLove oh love"]].

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* In ''16 Melodies'', Melodies (Beginning)'', the credits theme, the last part of MOTHER's 8 Melodies is repeated a second time, the only part of either of the two 8 Melodies to be repeated. MOTHER's has lyrics- and what were the lyrics for that last section? [[ArcWords "Love, ]][[ThePowerOfLove oh love"]].
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* In ''16 Melodies'', the credits theme, the last part of MOTHER's 8 Melodies is repeated a second time, the only part of either of the two 8 Melodies to be repeated. MOTHER's has lyrics- and what were the lyrics for that last section? [[ArcWords "Love, ]][[ThePowerOfLove oh love"]].
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**** Or maybe, if we're willing to be charitible, his people [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone saw and rejected the evil in themselves after being confronted with the fact that they functionally made one of there own into the god of evil, over a kind petty feud.]]
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* Did you think Buzz Buzz was just some random joke character? [[https://wordpress.com/post/opinionerded.wordpress.com/1043 Think again.]]

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* Did you think Buzz Buzz was just some random joke character? [[https://wordpress.com/post/opinionerded.[[https://opinionerded.wordpress.com/1043 com/2022/01/05/ninten-is-indeed-in-mother-2-earthbound/ Think again.]]
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* Did you think Buzz Buzz was just some random joke character? [[https://wordpress.com/post/opinionerded.wordpress.com/1043 Think again.]]
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* More a bit of brain wonderings that anything that actually bugs me... But, during the Giygas battle "music" ,which is more background noises than anything, features electronic, machine-breaking type noises, right? And, during the final battle the Chosen Four are in robot bodies, right? What if these noises aren't the Devil's Machine (like I first assumed) but [[FridgeHorror actually the noises of Ness and Co.'s robot bodies being torn apart by Giyga's attacks?]]
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* Ness completes his journey through Magicant, frees his mind, and unleashes his full potential. What does he need to do with all of the absolutely raw power he obtains? ''Protect'' the physically weakest party member during her GondorCallsForAid moment to truly defeat Giygas. The lesson to be learned is true strength comes from far more than just having raw power.
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* Over the course of the game, Paula is targeted for capture by Giygas's minions three times throughout the game, while Ness is only captured once; even then, Ness is still captured alongside Paula. It may seem strange that Paula is put in distress so many times when it is Ness who is TheChosenOne destined to receive the blessings of the eight sanctuaries. However, the final phase of the fight with Giygas has Ness forced to play support while Paula is the one uniting their friends and family in prayer to hurt Giygas. Given that Giygas is essentially the universe's most powerful psychic and/or uses the Apple of Enlightenment to see the future, it's possible that Giygas knew that Paula is the true keystone to defeating him rather than Ness, explaining why Giygas goes to greater lengths to have Paula separated from the rest of the heroes.
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* The eight bosses that guard the ''Your Sanctuary'' locations might be thought of as lackeys sent by Giygas to hinder the progress of Ness and his friends. However, Shrooom! will not attack Jeff and Bubble Monkey when they travel through the cave containing the Rainy Circle, saying that only Ness can absorb its power. The bosses guarding the sanctuaries aren't there to hinder the party, they're there to test you and make sure you have what it takes to beat your inner darkness and defeat Giygas!
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* Lucas lost his mother and was all but abandoned by his father in favor of reuniting with his other child — just like ''Giygas''.

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* The young but powerful psychic Lucas lost his mother and was all but abandoned by his father in favor favour of reuniting with his other child - just like ''Giygas''.''Giygas'', and we all know what that trauma did to him...
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* People like to say that these games are very emotional, but they usually only mean that they're sad. What they don't realize is that the games are emotional in more ways than just that. True, this series has its fair share of TearJerkers, but it also has a lot of SugarWiki/FunnyMoments, SugarWiki/AwesomeMoments, DarthWiki/NightmareFuel and even [[ThatOneBoss frustrating]] [[DemonicSpiders moments]]. All those inspire emotions, right?

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* People like to say that these games are very emotional, but they usually only mean that they're sad. What they don't realize is that the games are emotional in more ways than just that. True, this series has its fair share of TearJerkers, {{TearJerker}}s, but it also has a lot of SugarWiki/FunnyMoments, SugarWiki/AwesomeMoments, DarthWiki/NightmareFuel and even [[ThatOneBoss frustrating]] [[DemonicSpiders moments]]. All those inspire emotions, right?
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** In addition to the above, [[spoiler:his body is old and decrepit, and doesn't seem to be in any shape for that sort of physical activity. Then again, [[{{Squick}} if he]] ''[[{{Squick}} does]]'' [[{{Squick}} use them for that purpose...]]]]

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** In addition to the above, [[spoiler:his body is old and decrepit, and doesn't seem to be in any shape for that sort of physical activity. Then again, [[{{Squick}} if he]] ''[[{{Squick}} does]]'' [[{{Squick}} use them for that purpose...]]]]purpose]]]], that may make him as Nintendo's most vile villain of all time, a title that he already isn't too far from getting.
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* The entire final fight is incredibly painful for Lucas - not just emotionally, but also physically. In terms of battle mechanics it might be shown as simple damage numbers, but think of what is actually happening story-wise. [[spoiler: Lucas is constantly slashed, stabbed and shot, while only being able to heal himself. His allies are unconcious, he's completely alone, with no one to help him. He can't stop the pain in any way. Even after mending his wounds, Claus attacks again. He can't give in and collapse either, as it would mean the end of everything. All he can do is endure it, over and over again, hoping his brother will come to his senses. This game is not kind to Lucas.]]
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* Through the entire final battle Lucas is completely incapable of harming the Masked Man, knowing that it is his brother Claus. The one exception to this is the turn after Flint is hit by the Masked Man's PK Love. Twice. [[BewareTheNiceOnes Not even a sweet kid like Lucas is immune to blowing up after something like that.]]
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* It seems that, at first, the game breaks from tradition by [[AbsentAliens having non-alien antagonists.]] But Porky, [[Main/AdvancedAncientHumans originating]] from the [[UsefulNotes/TheNineties the Eagleland of the 90s]] is [[{{Ultraterrestrials}} essentially an alien to the Nowhere Islands,]] and by the time he actually appears in-game, is [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman hardly human.]]

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* It seems that, at first, the game breaks from tradition by [[AbsentAliens having non-alien antagonists.]] But Porky, [[Main/AdvancedAncientHumans originating]] from the [[UsefulNotes/TheNineties the Eagleland of the 90s]] is [[{{Ultraterrestrials}} essentially an alien to the Nowhere Islands,]] and by the time he actually appears in-game, is [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman hardly human.]]
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* It seems that, at first, the game breaks from tradition by [[AbsentAliens having non-alien antagonists.]] But Porky, [[Main/AdvancedAncientHumans originating]] from the [[UsefulNotes/TheNineties the Eagleland of the 90s]] is [[Ultraterrestrials essentially an alien to the Nowhere Islands,]] and by the time he actually appears in-game, is [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman hardly human.]]

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* It seems that, at first, the game breaks from tradition by [[AbsentAliens having non-alien antagonists.]] But Porky, [[Main/AdvancedAncientHumans originating]] from the [[UsefulNotes/TheNineties the Eagleland of the 90s]] is [[Ultraterrestrials [[{{Ultraterrestrials}} essentially an alien to the Nowhere Islands,]] and by the time he actually appears in-game, is [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman hardly human.]]
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* It seems that, at first, the game breaks from tradition by [[AbsentAliens having non-alien antagonists.]] But Porky, [[Main/AdvancedAncientHumans originating]] from the [[UsefulNotes/TheNineties the Eagleland of the 90s]] is [[Main/Ultraterrestrials essentially an alien to the Nowhere Islands,]] and by the time he actually appears in-game, is [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman hardly human.]]

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* It seems that, at first, the game breaks from tradition by [[AbsentAliens having non-alien antagonists.]] But Porky, [[Main/AdvancedAncientHumans originating]] from the [[UsefulNotes/TheNineties the Eagleland of the 90s]] is [[Main/Ultraterrestrials [[Ultraterrestrials essentially an alien to the Nowhere Islands,]] and by the time he actually appears in-game, is [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman hardly human.]]
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* It seems that, at first, the game breaks from tradition by [[AbsentAliens having non-alien antagonists.]] [[spoiler:But Porky, [[Main/AdvancedAncientHumans originating]] from the [[UsefulNotes/TheNineties the Eagleland of the 90s]] is [[Main/Ultraterrestrials essentially an alien to the Nowhere Islands,]] and by the time he actually appears in-game, is [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman hardly human.]]]]
* It also seems that the game breaks away from, ironically, the {{Eagleland}} trope it named. But if you consider {{FantasyAmericana Tazmily's appearance}}, Flint's general {{Cowboy}} get-up, and the dynamics [[CloseKnitCommunity of the town,]] it's really a homage to the arcadian image of TheWildWest without a set time period or [[UnfortunateImplications associated problematic tropes.]] [[spoiler:The reduction of Tazmily into a GhostTown and the introduction of New Pork City as the BigRottenApple also parallels the real phenomenon of urbanization in the 19th century of the United States. It also evokes the slow urban decay of the [[DyingTown Rust Belt]] and ''especially'' [[EvilColonialist some intances of forceful American annexation.]]]] If the first two games were a [[VileVillainSaccharineShow mostly]] cutesy send-up of Americana as perceived by a foreigner, Mother 3 stands as a {{deconstruction}} of that-- just what's necessary to have that zany, but pleasant {{Eagleland}} in the first place, after all?

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* It also seems that the game breaks away from, ironically, the {{Eagleland}} trope it named. But if you consider {{FantasyAmericana [[FantasyAmericana Tazmily's appearance}}, appearance]], Flint's general {{Cowboy}} get-up, and the dynamics [[CloseKnitCommunity of the town,]] it's really a homage to the arcadian image of TheWildWest without a set time period or [[UnfortunateImplications associated problematic tropes.]] [[spoiler:The The reduction of Tazmily into a GhostTown and the introduction of New Pork City as the BigRottenApple also parallels the real phenomenon of urbanization in the 19th century of the United States. It also evokes the slow urban decay of the [[DyingTown Rust Belt]] and ''especially'' [[EvilColonialist some intances of forceful American annexation.]]]] ]] If the first two games were a [[VileVillainSaccharineShow mostly]] cutesy send-up of Americana as perceived by a foreigner, Mother 3 stands as a {{deconstruction}} of that-- just what's necessary to have that zany, but pleasant {{Eagleland}} in the first place, after all?

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* It seems that, at first, the game breaks from tradition by [[AbsentAliens having non-alien antagonists.]] [[spoiler:But Porky, [[Main/AdvancedAncientHumans originating]] from the [[UsefulNotes/TheNineties the Eagleland of the 90s]] is [[Main/Ultraterrestrials essentially an alien to the Nowhere Islands,]] and by the time he actually appears in-game, is [[Main/AmbiguouslyHuman hardly human.]]]]
* It also seems that the game breaks away from, ironically, the {{Eagleland}} trope it named. But if you consider {{FantasyAmericana Tazmily's appearance}}, Flint's general {{Cowboy}} get-up, and the dynamics [[CloseKnitCommunity of the town,]] it's really a homage to the arcadian image of TheWildWest without a set time period or [[UnfortunateImplications associated problematic tropes.]] [[spoiler:The reduction of Tazmily into a GhostTown and the introduction of New Pork City as the BigRottenApple also parallels the real phenomenon of urbanization in the 19th century of the United States. It also evokes the slow urban decay of the [[DyingTown Rust Belt]] and ''especially'' [[EvilColonialist some intances of forceful American annexation.]]]] If the first two games were a [[VileVillainSaccharineShow mostly]] cutesy send-up of Americana as perceived by a foreigner, Mother 3 stands as a {{deconstruction}} of that-- just what's necessary to have that zany, but pleasant {{Eagleland}} in the first place, after all?
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* During Poo's introduction, before he can join up with Ness, he has to unlock his PsychicPowers through meditation. Given that this meditation is called "Mu Training" ("mu" meaning "nothing" in Japanese), and he has to suffer temporary spiritual death as part of it, it's clear that the purpose of his training is to clear his mind of all distractions and impure thoughts to access his abilities. This foreshadows that Ness himself has to clear his mind of his own darkness to unlock his full potential, even if he goes about it differently.

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