History Fridge / MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots

* The question has been asked as to why ''Snake'' has to go through the Microwave Hallway at the climax of the game, since it certainly appears that the Mark III does all the work anyway. Simple: the door at the end of the hallway (not the big one that Mark III unlocks, but the one before that) opens automatically, and it ''doesn't respond to something as small as Mark III''. Snake needed to be the one to deliver Three to the to GW core, simply because the door at the end of the hall had an entirely sensible method of preventing infiltration by remote-controlled drones.
** The impression I was under was that Snake had to be there to protect the Mk. III. How was Snake going to know that there wasn't going to be something that could destroy Otacon's drone? Snake's assistance was necessary because otherwise the drones that shock him would have destroyed the Mk. III.
*** It has stealth camo.
*** Even then, wouldn't the stealth camo short out after the corridor? It's shown that the Mk. III was barely able to sustain being in that corridor as long as Snake was, and the corridor shorted out his muscle suit and (presumably) his OctoCamo. Even then, the drones would figure out there was only one port that could be used there. Snake HAD to be there.

** Can someone explain where exactly it was stated that Naomi was one of the second FOXDIE's targets? The FOXDIE article on the Database only covers the first strain.

* Eva ''did'' once say that the only time she would get off her bike for good when she fell in love or when she died. And... Well...

* The Beauties. At first I thought they were [[FanService cheesecake]], but then I realized that the contrast between their attractive outsides and their horribly, horribly damaged insides made them even creepier. -{{Tropes/Jonn}}
** Laughing Octopus did that for me- during the second playthrough, her lines about people hurt and dying being hilarious sound ''much'' [[NightmareFuel creepier]] when you know what she was [[BreakTheCutie forced to do]]. -{{Regiment}}
*** Additionally, they thematically fit with the growing themes of nature vs technology in the series. Compare and contrast say, Crying Wolf with The End. One is a sniper with an almost symboitic relationship with nature and uncanny talent which was honed through years of developing technique. The other is a machine mockup of an animal who barely adheres to proper tactics because the technology that made them allows them to do so. It goes on. Compare how the Fear could run on water to how Vamp is eventually theorized to. Or just Fortune's powers in general. The progression of bosses in the series (chronologically) traces a shift between natural talent with a tad of mysticism tossed in to full on, technologically dependent, VR trained soldiers.
*** How about the fact that Old Snake's namechange makes him fit the naming scheme of the Beauties? Snake was the other member of FOX-HOUND, and the 'emotion' he carries into battle is "End", signified by his "Old"-ness. He used to be gorgeous, but now he's ugly and dependent on his suit to fight. Makes Drebin's suggestion that Snake's just like the Beauties a bit more than just a generic NotSoDifferentRemark line.

* This game represents Kojima's last attempt to duct tape every errant thread in the cloth of the pre-existing Franchise/MetalGear continuity into a coherent whole, therefore an iota of contestable confusion was inevitable. That there aren't more is a testament to Kojima's writing skill.

** This Troper saw the "Octopus" advertisement as an interesting aside. However, in the codec conversation about it, Snake mentions that you have to use what you have. Octopi are some of the most adaptable creatures in the ocean. And how do the members of the Beauty and the Beast Corps adapt? By using nanomachines! The ad has a second layer, saying that adaptability is better than raw power. This sums up the gameplay of ''Franchise/MetalGear''

** Now think about what he considers every day during his operation to kill Liquid Ocelot when he realizes he's going to become a PersonOfMassDestruction. His attempt to [[DrivenToSuicide kill himself]] at the start may linger with the player, but he has ''the entire rest of the game'' to mull over FOXDIE and his seemingly inevitable fate, marching forwards to the end with intent on finishing his mission and then dying to save everyone, all the while assuring never voicing his real thoughts except to his closest companion around at the time. [[HistoryRepeats Just like The Boss]], who he truly inherited the real will of to boot.

* Old Snake may be TheDeterminator, but his capability to fight almost entirely unimpeded outside of the crippling injuries he repeatedly takes towards the end game highlights that he's not just a BrokenAce; he's still a clone of Big Boss, and was intended from the outset of his existence as one of Zero's means of making sure Big Boss will be around to protect the world in the absence of The Boss. His entire body, right down to the degrading genetics and DNA, was built from the ground-up to ''fight'', even before he was made into a ChildSoldier with TrainingFromHell (being part of the [[ElitesAreMoreGlamorous Green Berets]] ''as a teen''). Every time he tries to resist his lineage's destiny, [[YouCannotFightFate he's dragged back reluctantly or against his will]], and it takes every possible twist of fate and the help and sacrifices of so many to finally subvert that genetic fate once and for all, [[YourDaysAreNumbered suffering all the while]] for the twisted intentions behind his birth. "Snake had a hard life" is the only way one can lightly sum up his existence.

** If you think that's bad, imagine what it would've been like ''before'' the [[spoiler:nanomachine suppression. Just what state did Ocelot find her in?]]

* [[spoiler:Naomi's cancer being suppressed by the nanomachines is Grade-A BodyHorror if you think about it, even by the standards of this series. Her cancer has filled her body so thoroughly that turning the suppression off ''killed her within minutes'', near-immediately keeling over in body-wrenching pain and losing all the strength in her body. And to have a body filled to the brim with that much cancerous material should be non-stop suffering and agony by way of rendering most organs and material non-functional, unless Naomi's body being kept alive was functionally suppressing nearly [[FeelsNoPain sensations of pain]]. Forget Vamp's pseudo-immortality through an immense HealingFactor, the pain of his brain matter mending together or his body shutting down from its wounds is ''temporary'' by comparison.]]

* [[spoiler:Naomi's cancer being suppressed by the nanomachines is Grade-A BodyHorror if you think about it, even by the standards of this series. While FOXDIE and her cancer-damaged cells worked in tandem to kill her after she stops the suppression, she was still expected to die shortly after doing so ''before'' FOXDIE came into the equation, which no one even explicitly knew about. And to have a body filled to the brim with that much cancerous material should be non-stop suffering and agony, unless Naomi's body being kept alive was functionally suppressing even [[FeelsNoPain sensations of pain]]. Forget Vamp's pseudo-immortality through an immense HealingFactor, the pain of his brain matter mending together or his body shutting down from its wounds is ''temporary'' by comparison.]]

* The ShowWithinAShow commercials range from [[NightmareFuel nightmarish]] (such as "7th Circle"'s holographic demon heads) to [[BlackComedy morbidly funny]] ("Bomb Shelter Buffet" and its Leningrad Beets), but "Drill Sergeant's Recruit Workout" is more insidious than it looks. It's not just any ordinary exercise program--"[[IfYouCallBeforeMidnightTonight Call in the next 10 minutes]] and get two free [[{{Nanomachines}} Nanopacks]]!" Who's to say the workout's nanopacks aren't a Patriot attempt to introduce the SOP system's nanomachines to ''civilians''?

*** How about the fact that Old Snake's namechange makes him fit the naming scheme of the Beauties? Snake was the other member of FOX-HOUND, and the 'emotion' he carries into battle is "End", signified by his "Old"-ness. He used to be gorgeous, but now he's ugly and dependent on his suit to fight. Makes Drebin's suggestion that Snake's just like the Beauties a bit more than just a generic NotSoDifferent line.

* Everyone likes to complain about the whole "nanomachines being used to explain everything in Guns of the Patriots". But in an example of CompletelyMissingThePoint, the reliance of nanomachines is a big part of the game's story. PMC's and the Rat Patrol 01's reliance on nanomachines show the dark future ahead and how lost they are without them. People disregard their own SENSES (''[=MGS4=]'''s [[CentralTheme major theme]]) in favor of technology.

* The ShowWithinAShow commercials range from [[NightmareFuel nightmarish]] (such as "7th Circle"'s holographic demon heads) to [[BlackComedy morbidly funny]] ("Bomb Shelter Buffet" and its Leningrad Beets), but "Drill Sergeant's Recruit Workout" is more insidious than it looks. It's not just any ordinary exercise program--"[[IfYouCallBeforeMidnightTonight Call in the next 10 minutes]] and get two free [[{{Nanomachines}} Nanopacks]]!" Who's to say the workout's nanopacks aren't a Patriot attempt to introduce the SOP system's nanomachines to ''civilians''?

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* The whole thing behind [[spoiler: Naomi's death. Whether it was just powerful nanomachines by themselves, or they were the same or a variant of Vamp's nanomachines, they held back and suppressed the lethal terminal cancer to the point that throughout the entire game up to that point, she'd basically been like any other healthy individual. Then she disables the nanomachines and [[RedemptionEqualsDeath dies]] [[SacrificialLamb almost]] [[TheAtoner immediately]] from the cancer, albeit not without a dramatic death speech even as everyone's leaving minutes later. But Vamp's nanomachines don't make all of his pain go away, and didn't even remotely heal his scarring from years previous at the Big Shell. Even if Naomi's nanomachines were improved somehow, cancer causes one's organs to fail and extraordinary amounts of pain - neither of which she exhibits traits of at all over the course of the game. Even with the HandWave of nanomachines being able to seemingly do anything by this point in the series, there's literally nothing the "magic cancer" makes sense for when having Naomi catch the second strain of FOXDIE from Snake could've solved just about every single plot hole involved.]]

* In the E3 trailer, Liquid Ocelot's nametag is introduced as "Liquid Snake", only for the "Snake" to be erased and replaced by Ocelot. Even that was {{Foreshadowing}} that "Liquid Ocelot" is really "Revolver Ocelot wearing a Liquid Snake mask"; Liquid's name, his ''real self'', was replaced by Ocelot.

* Liquid's personal army is named the [=FROGs=]. At first, it seems stupid that Liquid named his army after an animal that has a given history of being eaten by snakes, but it might as well be foreshadowing of [[spoiler: Ocelot's plan all along.]]
* David Hayter is mocked for his line "You were the lightning in that rain. You can can still shine through the darkness" he gives to Raiden. The truth is that it completely fits the situation as Raiden is Japanese for "lightning bolt." After the revelation that Raiden used to be Jack the Ripper, Raiden stated he found himself unsuitable to live a proper life as he was a killer. However, Snake states that back in ''Solid 2'' Raiden stood out in Big Shell as Raiden, not Jack the Ripper. Raiden appears to accept Snake's claim later as he says "I am lightning. The rain transformed." when he saves Snake from the [=FROGs.=]

* Everyone likes to complain about the whole "nanomachines being used to explain everything in Guns of the Patriots". But in an example of CompletelyMissingThePoint, the reliance of nanomachines is a big part of the game's story. PMC's and the Rat Patrol 01's reliance on nanomachines show the dark future ahead and how lost they are without them. People disregard their own SENSES ([=MGS4=]'s major theme) in favor of technology.

* Why the crap Drebin keep telling Old Snake stories of BB squad members? Drebin considers Snake a living, breathing war legend, and seemingly happy to be working with the man himself. So it's possible that he's geeking out and piling some of his war stories at Snake to some extent.

* Why the crap Drebin keep telling Old Snake stories of BB squad members? Drebin considers Snake a living, breathing war legend, and seemingly happy to be working with the man himself. So it's possible that he's geeking out at Snake to some extent.

* Why the crap Drebin keep telling Old Snake stories of BB Squad? Drebin considers Snake a living, breathing war legend, and seemingly happy to be near the man himself. So it's possible that he's geeking out at Snake to some extent.