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**** It shows that Charles thinks he is so much better that he thinks he couldn't possibly make a simple mistake as that one so he doesn't need to show immense care.
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** A reenlistment must be approved by the unit commander. Obviously, Colonel Potter did not give his approval given his behavior later in the episode. So the "contract" was not worth the paper it was written on.
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**** It is important to remember this was a different era. While residency training was rapidly becoming the norm, it would not at all have been uncommon to have a large number of non-residency trained physicians - including surgeons - in the community. Residency then was like a sub-specialty fellowship is today. While there are fellowships in things like "laparoscopic surgery" today, if you have your gallbladder taken out today it almost certainly will be done by a general surgeon who has not completed a fellowship in such things.


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** A few things: First, in military medicine there is something known as "MASH Syndrome." This is the belief by line officers and politicians that casualties in a conflict are mostly if not exclusively surgical. In reality, the opposite is true. The only US conflict that had more soldiers lost to surgical rather than medical problems was the invasion of Grenada. In reality, the vast majority of patients cycling through a MASH would have been those needing basic medical care. In addition, the vast majority of patients would have needed very basic care, i.e. "flesh wounds", "fractures" and the like. Burns was not a completely incompetent surgeon, I believe Blake called him a "fair but competent" surgeon (or something like that.)
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** According the U.S. Army Center of Military History “…a soldier earned four points for every month he served in close combat, two points per month for rear-echelon duty in Korea, and one point for duty elsewhere in the Far East…The Army initially stated that enlisted men needed to earn forty-three points to be eligible for rotation back to the States, while officers required fifty-five points. In June 1952 the Army reduced these requirements to thirty-six points for enlisted men and thirty-seven points for officers.”

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** According the [[http://www.history.army.mil/brochures/kw-stale/stale.htm U.S. Army Center of Military History History]] “…a soldier earned four points for every month he served in close combat, two points per month for rear-echelon duty in Korea, and one point for duty elsewhere in the Far East…The Army initially stated that enlisted men needed to earn forty-three points to be eligible for rotation back to the States, while officers required fifty-five points. In June 1952 the Army reduced these requirements to thirty-six points for enlisted men and thirty-seven points for officers.”
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** According the U.S. Army Center of Military History “…a soldier earned four points for every month he served in close combat, two points per month for rear-echelon duty in Korea, and one point for duty elsewhere in the Far East…The Army initially stated that enlisted men needed to earn forty-three points to be eligible for rotation back to the States, while officers required fifty-five points. In June 1952 the Army reduced these requirements to thirty-six points for enlisted men and thirty-seven points for officers.”
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* Throughout the series, a number of shenanigans are necessary because of the characters conveniently forgetting that the VIP tent exists, thus having to bunk elsewhere (see Col. Mulholland in "House Arrest," Tony Baker in "The Nurses," etc.). When you remember that the hospital is frequently shelled from both sides, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the VIP tent gets blown up or used for other purposes every now and then.
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** He wasn't the only one. When Margaret shows Potter a picture of him, he asks who the girl in the picture is.

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** He wasn't the only one. When Margaret shows Potter a picture of him, he asks who the girl in the picture is. Which raises the question of just how careless (or audacious) Donald was that he gave Margaret a picture of him ''with another woman.''



*** Not to mention that we rarely hear about what happens to the casualties once they've left the camp, but there's no reason that the doctors couldn't have gotten word from the 121st Evac that one of their patients didn't make it. Who's to say that several of Frank's patients don't croak at the evac hospital?

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*** Not to mention that we rarely hear about what happens to the casualties once they've left the camp, but there's no reason that the doctors couldn't have gotten word from the 121st Evac that one of their patients didn't make it. Who's to say that several of Frank's patients don't croak at the evac hospital?hospital? In multiple episodes he fails to diagnose simple conditions - hypothermia in one that leads him to write off a patient that was presumably saved, shock in another that nearly lets a patient die to renal failure - cuts corners, and has no investment in his patients. It all tallies up to put Frank squarely in the area of "we need every cutter we can get, no matter ''how'' incompetent he is." The same shortage that got the other surgeons out of so much trouble kept Frank from being reassigned to a morgue detail.
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** Because they're going to do their best to do it legitimately, and it seems like Hawkeye only thinks to just falsify the death certificate when the soldier finally dies just before midnight. Besides, if ''you'' had just left a man to die, could you enjoy the party?
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* In "Major Topper", Charles keeps topping whatever stories Hawkeye or BJ tell with better ones, culminating in him claiming to have had a date with Audrey Hepburn. They call bullshit, and he produces a photograph of him with the famous starlet, the implication being that all his stories are true. It's the one before that that gets to me. They run out of morphine, and get the patients through the night with placebos -- Potter's idea. Hawkeye is saying how it was the most amazing thing he'd ever seen, and Charles dismisses that, recounting a story in which he witnessed an operation done without anesthesia, the patient having been put under via hypnosis. Flag on the play; Charles was the one loudly and repeatedly insisting that placebos wouldn't work, that they could possibly work, and then when they do? "Oh, that's nothing, I've seen better." Bullshit. But it actually works for the joke that way. He spins these cock and bull stories, Hawkeye and BJ don't really buy it, but they let it go. Then when they've finally had enough and call him out, that happens to be the one he was telling the truth about, and he has photographic evidence.

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* In "Major Topper", Charles keeps topping whatever stories Hawkeye or BJ tell with better ones, culminating in him claiming to have had a date with Audrey Hepburn. They call bullshit, and he produces a photograph of him with the famous starlet, the implication being that all his stories are true. It's the one before that that gets to me. They run out of morphine, and get the patients through the night with placebos -- Potter's idea. Hawkeye is saying how it was the most amazing thing he'd ever seen, and Charles dismisses that, recounting a story in which he witnessed an operation done without anesthesia, the patient having been put under via hypnosis. Flag on the play; Charles was the one loudly and repeatedly insisting that placebos wouldn't work, that they could couldn't possibly work, and then when they do? "Oh, that's nothing, I've seen better." Bullshit. But it actually works for the joke that way. He spins these cock and bull stories, Hawkeye and BJ don't really buy it, but they let it go. Then when they've finally had enough and call him out, that happens to be the one he was telling the truth about, and he has photographic evidence.
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** He may be incompetent but not lethally so. So he can perform the needed work but not to the standard of the others, so he may leave excessive scarring, maybe nick an organ or mess something up while working ina way that negatively impacts the patient in a way that doesn't kill them.

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** He may be incompetent but not lethally so. So he can perform the needed work but not to the standard of the others, so he may leave excessive scarring, maybe nick an organ or mess something up while working ina in a way that negatively impacts the patient in a way that doesn't kill them.



*** The best explanation (if in the MASH universe the Army hadn't previously allowed it) is that while the Army didn't necessarily approve it's use, they did tend to look the other way. Then in this episode, the refused to do that any more.

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*** The best explanation (if in the MASH universe the Army hadn't previously allowed it) is that while the Army didn't necessarily approve it's its use, they did tend to look the other way. Then in this episode, the they refused to do that any more.
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** More fridge brilliance later in the episode: Sidney asks Hawkeye about his childhood. It seems a rather broad subject to tackle, but that childhood incident causing Hawkeye's problems naturally comes up, even if he doesn't know why, because it's in the back of his mind; if it wasn't, it wouldn't be bothering him.
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* In "Death Takes a Holiday", Hawkeye, BJ, and Margaret try to keep a soldier alive past midnight (his wounds are fatal, it's only a question of ''when'' he dies) so his family won't have to remember Christmas as the day he died. In the end, they fail, and Hawkeye moves the hands on the clock and they falsify the record. They could have just said, "Hey, let's leave him and go to the party and check him after midnight. When we find him dead, who's to say what time he died?"

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* In "Death Takes a Holiday", Hawkeye, BJ, and Margaret try to keep a soldier alive past midnight (his wounds are fatal, it's only a question of ''when'' he dies) so his family won't have to remember Christmas as the day he died. In the end, they fail, and Hawkeye moves the hands on the clock and they falsify the record. They could have just said, "Hey, let's leave him and go to the Christmas party and check him after midnight. When we find him dead, who's to say what time he died?"

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** Where exactly does this become FridgeLogic or Fridge ''anything'' for that matter? Anyone with any brains (i.e. not Frank or Margaret) would realize that the Chinese would not go back on a deal like that to knock off or capture a couple of surgeons and corpsmen, what with the damage a betrayal like that would do to their ability to make future exchanges. If they proved by killing or capturing the 4077 crew that was sent, no future exchanges would be allowed. The doctor complaining about being bombed has nothing to do with the issue, and the Chinese troops having guns is reasonable since ''its fifty miles behind their lines and they are making a gesture by handing over the prisoners without demanding anything in exchange.'' Of course its a double standard, neither side has any reason to trust the other. For all the Chinese know the 4077 crew could have a bunch of soldiers with them to "rescue" their wounded and take a bunch of prisoners.

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** Where exactly does this become FridgeLogic or Fridge ''anything'' for that matter? Anyone with any brains (i.e. not Frank or Margaret) would realize that the Chinese would not go back on a deal like that to knock off or capture a couple of surgeons and corpsmen, what with the damage a betrayal like that would do to their ability to make future exchanges. If they proved by killing or capturing the 4077 crew that was sent, no future exchanges would be allowed. The doctor complaining about being bombed has nothing to do with the issue, and the Chinese troops having guns is reasonable since ''its ''it's fifty miles behind their lines and they are making a gesture by handing over the prisoners without demanding anything in exchange.'' Of course its it's a double standard, neither side has any reason to trust the other. For all the Chinese know the 4077 crew could have a bunch of soldiers with them to "rescue" their wounded and take a bunch of prisoners.prisoners.
* In "Death Takes a Holiday", Hawkeye, BJ, and Margaret try to keep a soldier alive past midnight (his wounds are fatal, it's only a question of ''when'' he dies) so his family won't have to remember Christmas as the day he died. In the end, they fail, and Hawkeye moves the hands on the clock and they falsify the record. They could have just said, "Hey, let's leave him and go to the party and check him after midnight. When we find him dead, who's to say what time he died?"
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** Mr. Shin (guy who sells it to them) says "a guy in Tokyo" sold it to him and makes them by the dozen. Presumably, the guy in Tokyo also sells the engraving tools by the dozen - meaning that he would have the same font.
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* When Frank gets sent away Duke says to Col. Blake "fair is fair, Henry. If I nail Hot Lips and punch Hawkeye, can I go home?" Well, later on he ''does'' have a tryst with Hot Lips, and he ''does'' get his orders to leave soon after, without even having to punch Hawkeye.

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* When Frank gets sent away Duke says to Col. Blake "fair "Fair is fair, Henry. If I nail Hot Lips and punch Hawkeye, can I go home?" Well, later on he ''does'' have a tryst with Hot Lips, and he ''does'' get his orders to leave soon after, without even having to punch Hawkeye.
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* Hawkeye probably caused Wendell to be sent to prison. Wendell confessed to identity theft - he stole his brother's identification to enlist and Hawkeye reveals this to the [=MPs=] and has Wendell put under guard. Hawkeye then gives him the Purple Heart stolen from Frank, putting Wendell in possession of stolen property that Frank and Margret would certainly report, worsening Wendell's situation as he would also have no explanation as to why he has a Purple Heart when his record would show he was hospitalised for appendicitis, an ineligible non-combat caused wound.

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* Hawkeye probably caused Wendell to be sent to prison. Wendell confessed to identity theft - he stole his brother's identification to enlist and Hawkeye reveals this to the [=MPs=] and has Wendell put under guard. Hawkeye then gives him the Purple Heart stolen from Frank, putting Wendell in possession of stolen property that Frank and Margret Margaret would certainly report, worsening Wendell's situation as he would also have no explanation as to why he has a Purple Heart when his record would show he was hospitalised for appendicitis, an ineligible non-combat caused wound.

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** A less depressing alternative is that they were either transferred to another unit or managed to get discharged and sent home. Since the nurses had the highest attrition rate in the show's run, a reasonable theory would be that some got pregnant from the large amount of sex being had at the 4077, while others were able to simply get enough points to be discharged.
*** This explanation might be an excellent case of fridge logic. Under the points system, the Army had a lot of trouble retaining experienced officers because they were naturally the ones who accumulated the most rotation points. This was especially true of Medical Corps officers, and the number of points a nurse needed to be discharged was significantly lower than a surgeon needed.
*** The Points system was never available to doctors, and all medical personnel starting December 1, 1945. By Korea, Points were long gone. The real reason it was difficult to retain officers was that their requirement - 80 - was lower than the enlisted - 85 - and was lowered further after VJ Day. This is partly why it was discontinued.

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** A less depressing alternative is that they were either transferred to another unit or managed to get discharged and sent home. Since the nurses had the highest attrition rate in the show's run, a reasonable theory would be that some got pregnant from the large amount of sex being had at the 4077, while others were able to simply get enough points to be discharged.
*** This explanation might be an excellent case of fridge logic. Under the points system, the Army had a lot of trouble retaining experienced officers because they were naturally the ones who accumulated the most rotation points. This was especially true of Medical Corps officers, and the number of points a nurse needed to be discharged was significantly lower than a surgeon needed.
*** The Points system was never available to doctors, and all medical personnel starting December 1, 1945. By Korea, Points were long gone. The real reason it was difficult to retain officers was that their requirement - 80 - was lower than the enlisted - 85 - and was lowered further after VJ Day. This is partly why it was discontinued.
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*** Since Hawkeye makes reference to an increase in points in one episode, MASH seems to take place in a universe where the point system was maintained for draftees, despite being discontinued in RealLife. The other ideas all seem to hold water.




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* In "Major Topper", Charles keeps topping whatever stories Hawkeye or BJ tell with better ones, culminating in him claiming to have had a date with Audrey Hepburn. They call bullshit, and he produces a photograph of him with the famous starlet, the implication being that all his stories are true. It's the one before that that gets to me. They run out of morphine, and get the patients through the night with placebos -- Potter's idea. Hawkeye is saying how it was the most amazing thing he'd ever seen, and Charles dismisses that, recounting a story in which he witnessed an operation done without anesthesia, the patient having been put under via hypnosis. Flag on the play; Charles was the one loudly and repeatedly insisting that placebos wouldn't work, that they could possibly work, and then when they do? "Oh, that's nothing, I've seen better." Bullshit. But it actually works for the joke that way. He spins these cock and bull stories, Hawkeye and BJ don't really buy it, but they let it go. Then when they've finally had enough and call him out, that happens to be the one he was telling the truth about, and he has photographic evidence.
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** BJ, when leveling the proposal on the rest of the staff, never actually names ''himself'' as the person pulling the prank. The perpetrator is an unnamed "someone" who might theoretically prank the entire staff. Well, if the rest of the staff is part of this theoretical "someone" (which is also used to indicate an ambiguous number, not just identity), who else is there to prank but Hawkeye? BJ never fesses up to the pranks that the rest of the staff pull on themselves. Even his taunting of Hawkeye after Klinger supposedly falls for it isn't an admission; when he holds up a finger, he isn't telling Hawkeye he's the last to be pranked. He's telling Hawkeye that there's only one member of the staff ''being'' pranked! Had Hawkeye not fallen apart, the ''rest'' of the staff would have lost.
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*** Margaret explains in "The Party" that she had been trying to hide the fact that her parents were divorced. Claiming her father was dead may have been one of her ways of doing that.


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** Although note that BJ was not ACTUALLY discharged. His orders were a mistake, and he was stopped before he got very far.
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* When Frank leaves Duke says to Col. Blake "fair is fair, Henry. If I nail Hot Lips and punch Hawkeye, can I go home?" Well, later on he ''does'' have a tryst with Hot Lips, and he ''does'' get his orders to leave soon after, without even having to punch Hawkeye.

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* When Frank leaves gets sent away Duke says to Col. Blake "fair is fair, Henry. If I nail Hot Lips and punch Hawkeye, can I go home?" Well, later on he ''does'' have a tryst with Hot Lips, and he ''does'' get his orders to leave soon after, without even having to punch Hawkeye.
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* When Frank leaves Duke says to Col. Blake "fair is fair, Henry. If I nail Hot Lips and punch Hawkeye, can I go home?" Well, later on he ''does'' have a tryst with Hot Lips, and he ''does'' get his orders to leave soon after, without even having to punch Hawkeye.

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* In the season seven episode "Preventative Medicine", Colonel Lacy is refused permission from command to start an assault for Hill 403. He then says he will send out reconnaissance to try and draw fire and get it done anyway. This is a strategy taken directly from General Patton in World War II, who called it the "rock soup method".
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****** The best explanation (if in the MASH universe the Army hadn't previously allowed it) is that while the Army didn't necessarily approve it's use, they did tend to look the other way. Then in this episode, the refused to do that any more.
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*** These two also apply to the above - Frank and Charles are doctors who are in the military, rather than military men who are doctors, like Col. Potter.
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** Where exactly does this become FridgeLogic?

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** Where exactly does this become FridgeLogic?FridgeLogic or Fridge ''anything'' for that matter? Anyone with any brains (i.e. not Frank or Margaret) would realize that the Chinese would not go back on a deal like that to knock off or capture a couple of surgeons and corpsmen, what with the damage a betrayal like that would do to their ability to make future exchanges. If they proved by killing or capturing the 4077 crew that was sent, no future exchanges would be allowed. The doctor complaining about being bombed has nothing to do with the issue, and the Chinese troops having guns is reasonable since ''its fifty miles behind their lines and they are making a gesture by handing over the prisoners without demanding anything in exchange.'' Of course its a double standard, neither side has any reason to trust the other. For all the Chinese know the 4077 crew could have a bunch of soldiers with them to "rescue" their wounded and take a bunch of prisoners.
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* Not sure whether this is Fridge Brilliance or Horror, but Radar's BigEater tendencies and his ability to stomach the mess tent's food is probably a result of growing up poor on a farm in Iowa. It's mentioned that it was just him, his mom, and his uncle working the farm, so there may not have been much food to go around.
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** Where exactly does this become FridgeLogic?
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* The episode "Rainbow Bridge". The plot is that the 4077th is treating a number of Chinese prisoners, and is somehow contacted by a Chinese field hospital who has in its care some UN troops. The Chinese, not capable of treating the UN troops up to their level of care, want to arrange a prisoner swap at the titular bridge, on the condition that Hawkeye, Trapper, Radar and Frank come unarmed to the swap. When they arrive, they are confronted by numerous Chinese guards carrying submachine guns. When it's revealed that Frank snuck a handgun (a tiny derringer that looks like it could have come out of a box of Cracker Jack, really) the commanding Chinese doctor launches into an anvilicious tirade about US actions ("Is it not enough that your planes harass us day and night? It makes it impossible for me to treat my own people. We make a civilized gesture, and you respond by coming here with a gun ready to shoot us down.") and is about ready to call off the exchange. At which point, Hawkeye browbeats Frank into surrendering the gun and makes an impassioned plea for the exchange to go on as planned. The intended Aesop seems to be "take any proffered olive branch during a war, especially if it saves lives", but it falls apart when you consider ''the Chinese were flagrantly violating the very conditions they demanded of Hawkeye'' et. al. ''by bringing armed men to the rendezvous point.'' Granted, there was no explicit condition prohibiting this, but it's at least a DoubleStandard. Not to mention, the Chinese doctor complaining about trying to treat people while being bombed? If you watch the show, you'll see the 4077th in this exact situation frequently. As the Chinese ''could'' have been laying a trap and taken Hawkeye and the others prisoner or gunned them down with impunity, it seems more likely that the AccidentalAesop was "You know what? [[JerkassHasAPoint This once, in retrospect, Frank was probably right.]]"
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* In "The Joker is Wild," a big deal is made at the end of how Hawkeye was the only one who got pranked, as the whole staff was in on it. Except the bet was that BJ could prank everyone on the staff, not just Hawkeye. BJ didn't actually prank any of them because they were in on it and faked the entire thing. By their own admission, no actual pranks took place, not even the others allowing themselves to be pranked. So ''why'' does everyone say Hawkeye lost the bet?
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** A later episode has Hawkeye point out that Henry is getting arthritis due to his age - a medical discharge for Henry, his ticket out - but Henry objects, saying he could do more good at the 4077th. It's questionable whether he would have been discharged at his post in Tokyo, but had he taken Hawkeye's advice there, he would have been home long before then.

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