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24th Mar '17 11:11:26 AM chaosmech
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** If you think about it, however, this is a common reaction of victims of abusive relationships: blaming themselves for causing their abusers to, well, abuse them. Considering it's pretty well accepted that Christine has a major case of Stockholm Syndrome with regards to Erik, it's not out of the question that she still (wrongly) blames herself for causing him pain. Messed up, but not inaccurate.
23rd Mar '17 3:59:33 AM momur
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* The descent of Raoul's character from his KnightInShiningArmour status in the original musical to being an [[RonTheDeathEater alcoholic habitual gambler]] in this is actually not that surprising if you stop to consider events from his point of view. In short, gambling and alcoholism have often been linked to low self-esteem and the desire to (at least pretend) to hold control over something - hence why many addicts claim that they can quit whenever they want to (even when it's blatantly untrue). Now, let's consider the fact that Christine obviously hasn't been doing much good hiding the fact that she's been pining for the Phantom for 10 years, and that Gustave is a musical prodigy (and Raoul clearly feels no parental connection to the boy whatsoever), suddenly Raoul turning to destructive behaviours doesn't seem so random. (And yes, we're giving ALW the benefit of the doubt on this one and assume that he thought it through to this extent).
21st Jun '15 10:43:21 AM rememberthehood1941
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* In the Australian recording, Raoul has a line right before ''Devil Take the Hindmost''; "He's not Mephistopheles!" right before the Phantom jumps up through a trapdoor at the bar to scare him and propose his wager for Christine. In the classic opera ''Faust'' (which is prominently featured in the Gaston Leroux novel that inspired ''Phantom of the Opera''), the demon Mephistopheles appears to the washed up Faust...you guessed it, through a trapdoor on the stage and offers Faust the love of...that's right, a woman, in return for his soul. Faust agrees, even though it's pretty clear Mephistopheles will win...[[spoiler:just like the Phantom will win the bet].

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* In the Australian recording, Raoul has a line right before ''Devil Take the Hindmost''; "He's not Mephistopheles!" right before the Phantom jumps up through a trapdoor at the bar to scare him and propose his wager for Christine. In the classic opera ''Faust'' (which is prominently featured in the Gaston Leroux novel that inspired ''Phantom of the Opera''), the demon Mephistopheles appears to the washed up Faust...you guessed it, through a trapdoor on the stage and offers Faust the love of...that's right, a woman, in return for his soul. Faust agrees, even though it's pretty clear Mephistopheles will win...[[spoiler:just like the Phantom will win the bet].
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21st Jun '15 10:42:51 AM rememberthehood1941
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* In the Australian recording, Raoul has a line right before ''Devil Take the Hindmost''; "He's not Mephistopheles!" right before the Phantom jumps up through a trapdoor at the bar to scare him and propose his wager for Christine. In the classic opera ''Theatre/Faust'', the demon Mephistopheles appears to the washed up Faust...you guessed it, through a trapdoor on the stage and offers Faust the love of...you guessed right, a woman, in return for his soul. Faust agrees, even though it's pretty clear Mephistopheles will win...[[spoiler:just like the Phantom will win the bet with Raoul]].

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* In the Australian recording, Raoul has a line right before ''Devil Take the Hindmost''; "He's not Mephistopheles!" right before the Phantom jumps up through a trapdoor at the bar to scare him and propose his wager for Christine. In the classic opera ''Theatre/Faust'', ''Faust'' (which is prominently featured in the Gaston Leroux novel that inspired ''Phantom of the Opera''), the demon Mephistopheles appears to the washed up Faust...you guessed it, through a trapdoor on the stage and offers Faust the love of...you guessed that's right, a woman, in return for his soul. Faust agrees, even though it's pretty clear Mephistopheles will win...[[spoiler:just like the Phantom will win the bet with Raoul]].
bet].
21st Jun '15 10:39:19 AM rememberthehood1941
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* In the Australian recording, Raoul has a line right before ''Devil Take the Hindmost''; "He's not Mephistopheles!" right before the Phantom jumps up through a trapdoor at the bar to scare him and propose his wager for Christine. In the classic opera ''Theatre/Faust'', the demon Mephistopheles appears to the washed up Faust...you guessed it, through a trapdoor on the stage and offers Faust the love of...you guessed right, a woman, in return for his soul. Faust agrees, even though it's pretty clear Mephistopheles will win...[[spoiler:just like the Phantom will win the bet with Raoul]].
11th Feb '15 2:43:52 PM whiteladydragon00
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* Christine to the Phantom: "Forgive me, I beg you, if you can/I've brought you nothing but woe." [[BigWhat WHAT?]] To refresh your memory: she is talking to the man who [[StalkerWithACrush stalked her]], [[LoveMakesYouEvil deceived and manipulated her]], [[LoveMakesYouCrazy terrorized and murdered her colleagues]], kidnapped her, and nearly forced her into a ScarpiaUltimatum marriage. ''Then'' he [[spoiler: slept with her, only to run away like a thief in the night leaving her abandoned and alone]], decided ten years later that he ''still'' wasn't ready to let her go, took advantage of her family's precarious financial situation to drag her across the ocean so he could mess in her life again, and behaved in a frankly sinister manner to her son [[spoiler: before learning that it was ''his'' son, too]]. And ''she's'' apologizing to ''him''? Talk about KarmaHoudini!

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* Christine to the Phantom: "Forgive me, I beg you, if you can/I've brought you nothing but woe." [[BigWhat WHAT?]] To refresh your memory: she is talking to the man who [[StalkerWithACrush stalked her]], [[LoveMakesYouEvil deceived and manipulated her]], [[LoveMakesYouCrazy terrorized and murdered her colleagues]], kidnapped her, and nearly forced her into a ScarpiaUltimatum marriage. ''Then'' he [[spoiler: slept with her, only to run away like a thief in the night leaving her abandoned alone and alone]], pregnant]], decided ten years later that he ''still'' wasn't ready to let her go, took advantage of her family's precarious financial situation to drag her across the ocean so he could mess in her life again, and behaved in a frankly sinister manner to her son [[spoiler: before learning that it was ''his'' son, too]]. And ''she's'' apologizing to ''him''? Talk about KarmaHoudini!
24th Oct '14 8:45:49 PM Timber
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* Why would a burlesque dancer and a world-renowned opera diva be performing in the same show?

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* Why would a burlesque dancer and a world-renowned opera diva be performing in the same show?show?
* Christine and the Phantom [[spoiler: sleeping with each other the night before Christine married Raoul]] has some logistical issues in the first place. Presumably it happened before the Phantom fled to America, but it seemed implied that he got out of France right away? So theoretically at the time [[spoiler: Gustav was conceived]], Christine would have been in Paris and the Phantom would have been in New York.
21st Nov '13 11:45:32 PM 1900Tosca
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** Maybe it was a subtle hint to how they managed to raise the money for the sideshow?
2nd Oct '13 12:32:51 PM Sapphirea2
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** Because we can't probably have [[spoiler: [[RonTheDeathEater Raoul The Disgusting Alcoholic]]]] polluting the gene pool! No way!

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** Because we can't probably have [[spoiler: [[RonTheDeathEater Raoul The Disgusting Alcoholic]]]] Alcoholic]] polluting the gene pool! No way!
30th Sep '13 9:35:47 PM GrantMK2
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*** It can be very difficult [[spoiler: to have children]] sometimes. Just look at how many disasters happened because [[spoiler: royal couples had trouble producing a child]].
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