History Fridge / KnightsOfTheOldRepublic

* One of my favorite part of KOTOR was the the use of Charisma skill that can be uber helpful especially if you want to persuade other characters and [=NPCs=] on your ideas or stances. Now, my favorite class is the Soldier (yes, very generic I know) and at first I was kind of confused why the Scoundrel class gets plus points on the charisma ability, but then I realized: of course they would! After all, Scoundrels are GenreSavvy and cunning individuals who are quick-witted and perceptively street smart. Being charismatic is practically their second nature!

*** Well, [[OrbitalBombardment Taris gets blown to bits]]...

*** He's actually talking about [[spoiler: you, Revan]].
*** He's probably talking about the Sith on both counts.
** Possibly {{Jossed}}. If you walk up to him as a Sith trooper, he greets you happily. Very happily. And then invites you to share in the alien-bashing.

* Since the release of the MMORPG Star Wars: The Old Republic, some have compared the original two games and the TOR to the Original Trilogy movies, with KOTOR as A New Hope, KOTOR 2 as The Empire Strikes Back, and TOR as Return of the Jedi. However, the first game itself could be a combination of all three movies itself! Let's look at the beginning of the game, a good guy ship gets attacked by the bad guys in order to find a particularly important young woman. The heroes then escaped on an escape pod to the planet below, and proceeded to train to be a Jedi. (Also, a planet got destroyed) The second arc involves the good guys travelling around the galaxy and being pursued by a Sith Lord, got captured and proceeded to escape but had to leave someone behind, and a reveal of a terrible truth. [[spoiler: The infamous LukeIAmYourFather in ESB and you are Revan in KOTOR.]] And the final act is a discovery of a superweapon threatening to dominate the galaxy, an epic space battle that didn't go well with the good guys at first, until the main hero went inside the space station to confront the bad guys and do something to turn the tide of the battle, and that something involves [[spoiler: the redemption of the hero's loved one]]. Basically, Knights of the Old Republic is all three Original Trilogy movies put together.

* One that stretches to the film era (and possibly puts KOTOR into Disney's continuity); in Film/StarWarsRogueOne it's the ''Taris'' senator, Tynnra Pamlo, arguing loudest that a rebellion against the Empire would be hopeless. Considering what happened when they defied Malak, and the eventual destruction of Alderaan, her argument wasn't without merit.

* In ''Videogame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', If the Jedi plan had actually worked, the ''Endar Spire'' not been attacked, and the Star Forge still found and destroyed, what would they have done with the mind-wiped former Sith Lord who thinks (temporarily at least) that he/she is an ordinary Republic grunt? Someone like that would be far too dangerous to just leave alone. Would they find some way to draft him/her into the Service Corps and take the risk of him influencing other Force-sensitive Jedi washouts? Would they mind-wipe him/her again? Would they turn him/her over to the Republic? [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident Would they arrange an accident?]]

* If the planet Drexel is all water where did the wooden ship that Luke found come from.

* Zaalbar being a BigEater. Well, he's a Wookiee, so we're already dealing with over two meters' worth of empty stomach. Secondly, food was probably not easy to find in the Taris slums, so "I see food, I eat it" was a good survival strategy. Thirdly, Zaalbar is frequently called "young" by the other Wookiees and his banter with Missions is less LittleGuyBigBuddy and more a pair of LikeBrotherAndSister street kids. Zaalbar is likely an adolescent like Mission is, meaning he's a big boy that's ''still growing.''

** You want FridgeHorror? How about this. You just convinced a bunch of people in an underground bunker of a city, surely the safest place on the planet, to pack up and leave for what one expects would be a green outdoorsy type place. I don't think anyone would call more tunnels and sewers "paradise". A couple days later, the entire surface of the planet was bombarded with turbolasers. If paradise WAS there, it isn't anymore. If they were in paradise when this happened, THEY aren't there anymore either. Congratulations, Light-Side Jedi, you just sent an entire settlement to their deaths!

** One could assume that maybe she had been using the force as a perception filter. Meanwhile, the people on Korriban are Force-sensitive, so they'd probably be immune to such things.

* In the Light Side path for dealing with Bastila's mother, Bastila gives up 500 credits so her mother can get to Coruscant and pay for medical treatments. It's literally everything Bastila has to her name. It's very sweet... until FridgeLogic sets in and you remember that your character, or at the very least your party, can at this point have tens of thousands of credits. Granted, the money Bastila gives is hers and hers alone (it isn't deducted from your total), but you'd think a Light Side Jedi would at least have the option to cover the expense.
** Well, your party isn't exactly playing by Jedi Order rules of property ownership, in about the same way that a rhinoceros isn't exactly a cuddly lap animal.
*** Even so, later in the game you can give up 500 credits to a swoop racer for parts, not to mention the numerous other giveaways. Giving within your own party would be a bit weird, but something easily handwaved.

*** A related piece of brilliance . When you hit ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'''s Alderaan level, you learn that Trask Ulgo was a [[BlueBlood very high-ranking]] member of Alderaanian nobility. In particular, his house's [[PlanetOfHats hat]] was [[ProudWarriorRace military service]], and Trask was one of their ''finest'' warriors. Who better to be the handler (and potential assassin) of a mind-wiped Sith Lord?

* Carth, your first "real" party member, frequently states that he doesn't trust you, finds your placement on the ''Endar Spire'' suspicious, finds what the Jedi are doing suspicious, and frequently gets angry about what he perceives as getting the runaround. He comes off as a total Jerkass and whiner...until TheReveal comes out. Turns out he was ''dead right'' about ALL of his suspicions, just not in the way he expected! The comics and the second game add a few more layers. He encountered a Jedi coverup before, as he helped Zanye Carrick escape from the Covenant. In the second game, Disciple is reporting directly to Carth. Given Carth's trust issues, Mical's reservations (even Exile, his childhood hero, has to be careful when prying info out of him), and how important the ''Ebon Hawk'' is, there's likely some strong history between Mical and Carth, meaning Carth may also know more about the Jedi than he let on.

* One of my favorite part of KOTOR was the the use of Charisma skill that can be uber helpful especially if you want to persuade other characters and [=NPCs=] on your ideas or stances on certain morales. Now, my favorite class is the Soldier (yes, very generic I know) and at first I was kind of confused why the Scoundrel class gets plus points on the charisma ability, but then I realized: of course they would! After all, Scoundrels are GenreSavvy and cunning individuals who are quick-witted and perceptively street smart. Being charismatic is practically their second nature!

* Since the release of the MMORPG Star Wars: The Old Republic, some have compared the original two games and the TOR to the Original Trilogy movies, with KOTOR as A New Hope, KOTOR 2 as The Empire Strikes Back, and TOR as Return of the Jedi. However, the first game itself could be a combination of all three movies itself!. Let's look at the beginning of the game, a good guy ship gets attacked by the bad guys in order to find a particularly important young woman. The heroes then escaped on an escape pod to the planet below, and proceeded to train to be a Jedi. (Also, a planet got destroyed) The second arc involves the good guys travelling around the galaxy and being pursued by a Sith Lord, got captured and proceeded to escape but had to leave someone behind, and a reveal of a terrible truth. [[spoiler: The infamous LukeIAmYourFather in ESB and you are Revan in KOTOR.]] And the final act is a discovery of a superweapon threatening to dominate the galaxy, an epic space battle that didn't go well with the good guys at first, until the main hero went inside the space station to confront the bad guys and do something to turn the tide of the battle, and that something involves [[spoiler: the redemption of the hero's loved one]]. Basically, Knights of the Old Republic is all three Original Trilogy movies put together.

* So, you decided to be a good guy and help the old, rightful wookie chieftain rise back to power. Finally, a truly independent leader to stop all of slave trading with the corrupt Czerka Corporation!.. By killing every non-wookie in said corporation's colony. Even though the slave masters got their comeuppance, it shudders to think about what happened to the peaceful personnel and merchants (including optional quest-givers!). Not to mention that Czerka will not be very happy to hear about their old trade partners destroying the colony, and will probably send more troops to get revenge on the wookies - this time fully enslaving the whole tribe instead of trying to buy slaves from the chieftain!

** Here's another: Just what exactly did Revan do to the Jedi that he was kidnapping to places like Dxun, Korriban, and Lehon? You know, the ones he wanted to "break"?

* You can use Force Choke while being armoured, just like Vader.

* So, you decided to be a good guy and help the old, rightful wookie chieftain rise back to power. Finally, a truly independent leader to stop all of slavetrading with the corrupt Czerka Corporation!.. By killing every non-wookie in said corporation's colony. Even though the slave masters got their comeuppance, it shudders to think about what happened to the peaceful personnel and merchants (including optional quest-givers!). Not to mention that Czerka will not be very happy to hear about their old trade partners destroying the colony, and will probably send more troops to get revenge on the wookies - this time fully enslaving the whole tribe instead of trying to buy slaves from the chieftain!

** The fate of the Promised Land is covered by Videogame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic in a quest on Taris. [[spoiler::It didn't end well.]]

* When you and Carth are ribbing Bastila for being taken prisoner by a gang of ordinary thugs, she insists that she was weakened from using her battle meditation, and the without it, you might not have escaped. She wasn't using her abilities to help the Republic forces on the ship. ''She was using them to ensure that you landed unharmed''. Which you did... in the Upper City, right next to a disused apartment complex that sees only occasional Sith patrols, in easy walking distance from a Republic-sympathizing doctor. With a decorated military vet who's got the skill and experience to keep you alive and hidden, and the innate goodness to take care of your comatose butt for days, despite his misgivings.

** How the hell did Sion end up the way he was? And Nihilus?
*** According to Avellone and the tie-in comic, Malachor happened to Nihilus. He's the 'dark side' of what the Exile could have become, embodying the death on that planet rather than overcoming it.
** How many people would have died if Kreia [[spoiler: succeeded at destroying the Force? And would that really make the galaxy a better place?]]
*** Either way you look at it, it's nightmarish. If her hypothesis was correct, [[spoiler: then you just allowed all the horrors of the Empire and the Jedi-Sith wars past this point to exist. Thousands of years of war and billions of lives could've been spared if you didn't stop her.]] If her hypothesis is incorrect, the worst case scenario is this: considering the Force is connected/generated to life, she may have ended up [[spoiler: ''murdering [[OmnicidalManiac EVERY]] living thing in'' '''the entire UNIVERSE'''. This is the kind of death toll ''[[ComicBook/BlackestNight NEKRON]]'' attempted.]]
**** The only people that would have died were the ones who are Force Sensitive, which is fairly rare in the Star Wars universe, and not all of them would have died either, many would have been deafened to the Force instead. What Kreia wanted was to stop the Force from giving visions, bending probability, and so forth so that the Galaxy can take care of itself without some sort of God playing with them like they're chess pieces. Kreia's real flaw is not considering the fact that if The Force is some all knowing, all powerful entity that can do whatever it wants, then she failed long before she ever started, as The Force would never allow her to destroy it anyway, even if it is actually possible to do so.
***** Kreia is also an inveterate liar. She also tells you that her goal was simply to reforge a new Jedi Order, one without the blindness and dependence of the old, and that you and the people you drew to yourself were her tool to do so. Can't help but think she'd be disappointed with the Jedi Order a few thousand years down the road.

*** Either way you look at it, it's nightmarish. If her hypothesis was correct, [[spoiler: then you just allowed all the horrors of the Empire and the Jedi-Sith wars past this point to exist. Thousands of years of war and billions of lives could've been spared if you didn't stop her.]] If her hypothesis is incorrect, the worst case scenario is this: considering the Force is connected/generated to life, she may have ended up [[spoiler: ''murdering [[OmnicidalManiac EVERY]] living thing in'' '''the entire UNIVERSE'''. This is the kind of death toll ''[[BlackestNight NEKRON]]'' attempted.]]

*** Well, [[EarthShatteringKaboom Taris gets blown to bits]]...

* In ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'', If the Jedi plan had actually worked, the ''Endar Spire'' not been attacked, and the Star Forge still found and destroyed, what would they have done with the mind-wiped former Sith Lord who thinks (temporarily at least) that he/she is an ordinary Republic grunt? Someone like that would be far too dangerous to just leave alone. Would they find some way to draft him/her into the Service Corps and take the risk of him influencing other Force-sensitive Jedi washouts? Would they mind-wipe him/her again? Would they turn him/her over to the Republic? [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident Would they arrange an accident?]]

** The fate of the Promised Land is covered by TheOldRepublic in a quest on Taris. [[spoiler::It didn't end well.]]

* FridgeHorror: Remember how the group of people at the lowest level of Taris went off to find the Promised Land in KOTOR? Well, assuming that they survived the destruction of Taris, a very disconcerting thing was found in the unused voice clips of KOTOR II. Read on if you dare. [[spoiler: The HK-50's are talking about the Droid Factory, and how there is more than one factory. One of them comments on how there was one located on Taris. If the Promised Land was, in actuality, a Droid Factory that contained very hostile droids, then that means the group of people are....]] That is FridgeHorror.
** Not quite. HK-50s may not have been in production at the time, and the factory could have been built after the destruction of Taris. After all, no ones going to find (or expect to find) a droid factory in the giant smoking pile of rubble that remained of Taris.
** You want FridgeHorror? How about this. You just convinced a bunch of people in an underground bunker of a city, surely the safest place on the planet, to pack up and leave for what one expects would be a green outdoorsy type place. I don't think anyone would call more tunnels and sewers "paradise". A couple days later, the entire surface of the planet was bombarded with turbolasers. If paradise WAS there, it isn't anymore. If they were in paradise when this happened, THEY aren't there anymore either. Congratulations, Light-Side Jedi, you just sent an entire settlement to their deaths!
** The fate of the Promised Land is covered by TheOldRepublic in a quest on Taris. [[spoiler::It didn't end well.]]
** Another awful piece of Fridge Horror. Remember Dr. Zelka Forn, the stubborn but selfless medic working on a cure for Rakghoul Plague and [[spoiler: keeping dying Republic soldiers comfortable, despite risking discovery from the Sith]]? His medical center on Taris is still reasonably intact by the time ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' rolls around, enough so that generators work and a viable sample of his vaccine is still sitting in the basement. It means he likely survived the carpet bombing, and spent the life he had left hip-deep in the wounded and dying with no one coming to help them and his supplies running out.

** Ditto Bastila. She comes across as a total bitch, quoting dogma at every turn, and regarding your PC with a cross of fascination and horror. Then TheReveal. She's a Padawan, set up on a babysitting task that even a ''Master'' would get overwhelmed with. She was given a token order to [[spoiler: try and capture you alive, because "Jedi don't kill their prisoners" ...except when they do]] but no one seems to have expected her to actually do it. Worse, she's got a Force Bond to you, like it or not, meaning that (if you play Dark), you're pulling her down with you (see second game for more details on Force Bonds). Alternately, if you play Light, she becomes [[GreenEyedMonster envious]] that you're doing her job better than she is; that the Light Side comes so easily to you, [[spoiler: the former ''Dark Lord of the Sith,'' of all people,]] whereas [[BeingGoodSucks she has to struggle to keep it up.]] Between the stress of all this, the fact that the Masters are no help at all and are, as usual, more concerned with covering their ass and reputation than actually helping... plus the fact that she has issues and doubts of her own? [[spoiler: Malak didn't so much pull her to the Dark Side as give her a giant shove over a cliff she was dancing on already]].