Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 1,2 (click to see context) from:
'''As a Moments subpage, all spoilers are unmarked [[Administrivia/SpoilersOff as per policy.]] Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.'''
to:
'''As a Moments Fridge subpage, all spoilers are unmarked [[Administrivia/SpoilersOff as per policy.]] Administrivia/YouHaveBeenWarned.'''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 1,2 (click to see context) from:
'''SPOILER WARNING'''
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 10,11 (click to see context) from:
* Early in the film, Hicox states that one of his two books is on the works of German film director G.W. Pabst. When Hellstrom forces him and the Basterds to play the celebrity card game, he writes down G.W. Pabst's name.
to:
* Early in the film, Hicox states that one of his two books is on the works of German film director G.W. Pabst. When Hellstrom questions him about his origins, he references ''The White Hell of Piz Palu'', a film co-directed by Pabst. Later, Hellstrom forces him and the Basterds to play the a celebrity card game, he and Hicox writes down G.W. Pabst's name.
name. Pabst's film is also referenced by Shosanna and Zoller outside Shosanna's theater.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 10 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Early in the film, Hicox states that one of his two books is on the works of German film director G.W. Pabst. When Hellstrom forces him and the Basterds to play the celebrity card game, he writes down G.W. Pabst's name.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
The man drops immediately and is completely motionless when he's being scalped. We're meant to understand that it's an Instant Death Bullet
Deleted line(s) 14 (click to see context) :
* At the end of the movie, Lieutenant Raine shoots Landa's driver, whom he calls Hermann, in the stomach, as evidenced by the angle of his pistol when he fires. When Hermann falls, Raine orders Utivich to scalp him. Since it can take anywhere from several minutes to a few hours to die from a gunshot wound to the stomach, as evidenced in previous Quentin Tarantino movies, it's entirely possible that Hermann was still alive while being scalped.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 9 (click to see context) from:
to:
* The film has a theme of the power of cinema. The Nazis are repeatedly shown to be obsessed with cinema, spreading their rhetoric through films. Frederick is attracted to Shosanna after spotting her at her cinema. It's a new propaganda film that brings all the Nazis together into one room. The physical material of cinema is used to kill the Nazi high command. Even Shosanna's death is indirectly caused by the power of cinema: After shooting Frederick, Shosanna watches his performance in ''Nation's Pride'' and is visibly moved to pity him. When he begins to stir, she takes one last glance at the movie screen before going to his side and subsequently getting shot.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
This is made explicit at the end. Frederick was just being falsely modest. He has a huge entitlement issue.
Changed line(s) 9,10 (click to see context) from:
* While Goebbels is pretty clearly an EvilMentor to Zoller, does anyone else notice that apparent DoggedNiceGuy Zoller seems to be taking after him? His ego is constantly swelling due to everyone's admiration, to the point that he clearly oversteps his boundaries with Goebbels (who laughs it off) and Landa (who doesn't), which is pretty telling for a mere private. Also, his outburst at Shosanna shows a massive sense of entitlement, and his sudden return to nice guy once he gets what he wants seems to mirror Goebbels' childish mood swings.
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
I believe it's implied that the Basterds are already doing this before picking up Stiglitz
Changed line(s) 10,11 (click to see context) from:
* Aldo and the Basterds make no distinction between party Nazis and German enlisted men, carving a swastika into their foreheads alike. Why doesn't Aldo reserve his hate for the Nazis? Because the enlisted men, if they didn't agree with the Nazis, could always take Hugo Stiglitz's example.
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
This is all inherent in the referenced tropes
Deleted line(s) 6 (click to see context) :
* When Frederick Zoller gets angry at Shosanna at the end because she kept turning him down, some people would have been surprised...but FridgeBrilliance does kick in at this point - he's a [[BitchInSheepsClothing "nice]] [[EntitledToHaveYou guy"]] who honestly believes himself to be a DoggedNiceGuy, and as it goes with most real life "nice guys", they often react with anger and frustration when the DoggedNiceGuy act doesn't work. Even though he's being kind to her throughout the film, he continually refuses to get the message that she isn't interested in him, nor does it ever cross his mind that he might not be able to "win her over"; by the end of it, he realizes that treating her with basic kindness and respect isn't going to get him laid, and he throws a tantrum over it. Any girl who's had to deal with a guy who's behaved like this can pretty much see how this "romance" would end right from the start.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
No spoiler tags in fridge or headscratchers
Changed line(s) 14,19 (click to see context) from:
* The real Fridge horror is the fact that the Holocaust was happening at the same time as the events in this film. Even if Hitler gets killed early to create an AlternateUniverse, millions of people still died and for all their bravado, the Basterds did nothing to actually stop it or save those lives. There's no guarantee that Hitler's death would stop it. It could halt the extermination, but not the Nazis' attempts to delete and bury the evidence and try and kill remaining survivors. Furthermore, even if Hitler and the Nazi High Command are dead, there's no guarantee that the Nazis would fall. It's likely that the people behind the Operation Valkyrie plot would come to power and while they would depose the Nazi Party and call for a peaceful end to the war, its not likely that they'll return vast swathes of conquered territory or prosecute war criminals.
** The Valkyrie plotters would probably be perfectly happy to prosecute ''some'' war criminals, but it'd be a division based on likely opponents to the new regime more than breadth and intensity of committed war crimes, which would undermine the legitimacy of the prosecution and open up for more post-war revisionism.
** Mind you, Hans Landa is an {{Expy}} for Himmler so the irony is the man who had the most to gain by covering up Nazi atrocities had no problem throwing his fellow [[strike:Germans]] Natzis under the bus either.
* Those medals Donny wears around his neck in his introduction scene? Those are German dogtags. He's presumably beating people to the point they're no longer recognizable, and taking the dogtags as trophies -- he's intentionally depriving their families of a funeral, and his kills of a proper burial.
** This could also tie into the fact that Donny is Jewish, and in the Jewish faith, the dead have to be properly buried as soon after death as possible - something the Nazis didn't do. He's exacting his own form of revenge on the soldiers and their families, in accordance with what is blasphemous in his own faith.
* At the end of the movie, Lieutenant Raine [[spoiler: shoots Landa's driver, whom he calls Hermann, in the stomach, as evidenced by the angle of his pistol when he fires.]] When [[spoiler: Hermann]] falls, Raine orders [[spoiler: Utivich to scalp him.]] Since it can take anywhere from several minutes to a few hours to die from a gunshot wound to the stomach, as evidenced in previous Quentin Tarantino movies, it's entirely possible that [[spoiler: Hermann was still alive while being scalped.]]
** The Valkyrie plotters would probably be perfectly happy to prosecute ''some'' war criminals, but it'd be a division based on likely opponents to the new regime more than breadth and intensity of committed war crimes, which would undermine the legitimacy of the prosecution and open up for more post-war revisionism.
** Mind you, Hans Landa is an {{Expy}} for Himmler so the irony is the man who had the most to gain by covering up Nazi atrocities had no problem throwing his fellow [[strike:Germans]] Natzis under the bus either.
* Those medals Donny wears around his neck in his introduction scene? Those are German dogtags. He's presumably beating people to the point they're no longer recognizable, and taking the dogtags as trophies -- he's intentionally depriving their families of a funeral, and his kills of a proper burial.
** This could also tie into the fact that Donny is Jewish, and in the Jewish faith, the dead have to be properly buried as soon after death as possible - something the Nazis didn't do. He's exacting his own form of revenge on the soldiers and their families, in accordance with what is blasphemous in his own faith.
* At the end of the movie, Lieutenant Raine [[spoiler: shoots Landa's driver, whom he calls Hermann, in the stomach, as evidenced by the angle of his pistol when he fires.]] When [[spoiler: Hermann]] falls, Raine orders [[spoiler: Utivich to scalp him.]] Since it can take anywhere from several minutes to a few hours to die from a gunshot wound to the stomach, as evidenced in previous Quentin Tarantino movies, it's entirely possible that [[spoiler: Hermann was still alive while being scalped.]]
to:
* The real Fridge horror is the fact that the Holocaust was is happening at the same time as the events in this film. Even if Hitler gets killed early to create an AlternateUniverse, millions of people still died and for all their bravado, the Basterds did nothing are too late to actually stop it or save those lives. There's also no guarantee that Hitler's death would stop it. It could halt the extermination, but not the Nazis' attempts killings yet to delete and bury the evidence and try and kill remaining survivors. Furthermore, even if Hitler and the Nazi High Command come.
* Those medals Donny wears around his neck in his introduction scene aredead, there's no guarantee that the Nazis would fall. It's likely that the German dogtags. He's presumably beating people behind the Operation Valkyrie plot would come to power and while they would depose the Nazi Party and call for a peaceful end to the war, its not likely that they'll return vast swathes point they're no longer recognizable, and taking the dogtags as trophies -- he's intentionally depriving their families of conquered territory or prosecute war criminals.
** The Valkyrie plottersa funeral, and his kills of a proper burial. This would probably be perfectly happy to prosecute ''some'' war criminals, but it'd be a division based on likely opponents to particularly cruel in the new regime more than breadth and intensity eyes of committed war crimes, which would undermine a religious Jew, as Judaism emphasizes giving the legitimacy of the prosecution and open up for more post-war revisionism.
** Mind you, Hans Landa is an {{Expy}} for Himmler so the irony is the man who had the most to gain by covering up Nazi atrocities had no problem throwing his fellow [[strike:Germans]] Natzis under the bus either.dead a proper burial as soon as possible.
* Those medals Donny wears around his neck in his introduction scene? Those are German dogtags. He's presumably beating people to the point they're no longer recognizable, and taking the dogtags as trophies -- he's intentionally depriving their families of a funeral, and his kills of a proper burial.
** This could also tie into the fact that Donny is Jewish, and in the Jewish faith, the dead have to be properly buried as soon after death as possible - something the Nazis didn't do. He's exacting his own form of revenge on the soldiers and their families, in accordance with what is blasphemous in his own faith.
* At the end of the movie, Lieutenant Raine [[spoiler: shoots Landa's driver, whom he calls Hermann, in the stomach, as evidenced by the angle of his pistol when he fires.]] fires. When [[spoiler: Hermann]] Hermann falls, Raine orders [[spoiler: Utivich to scalp him.]] him. Since it can take anywhere from several minutes to a few hours to die from a gunshot wound to the stomach, as evidenced in previous Quentin Tarantino movies, it's entirely possible that [[spoiler: Hermann was still alive while being scalped.]]
* Those medals Donny wears around his neck in his introduction scene are
** The Valkyrie plotters
** Mind you, Hans Landa is an {{Expy}} for Himmler so the irony is the man who had the most to gain by covering up Nazi atrocities had no problem throwing his fellow [[strike:Germans]] Natzis under the bus either.
** This could also tie into the fact that Donny is Jewish, and in the Jewish faith, the dead have to be properly buried as soon after death as possible - something the Nazis didn't do. He's exacting his own form of revenge on the soldiers and their families, in accordance with what is blasphemous in his own faith.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
This is all highly speculative
Deleted line(s) 14,17 (click to see context) :
* If everything goes 100% ideal in the aftermath of Operation Kino, and the European Axis (Germany, the Italian Social Republic, etc.) capitulates, then America gets to turn around and throw massive quantities of men and material that would have been committed to the Western Front at the Pacific. Good news for the Chinese in Manchuria, bad news for the Americans, because they are going to be at Japan's doorstep ahead of schedule and before Little Boy and Fat Man are ready to drop. In other words, America would go forward with Operation Downfall, the invasion of the Japanese Home Islands, which had a fatality estimate in the Megadeath range, would likely end up depopulating large areas of Japan, and could have involved chemical weapon attacks on both military and civilian targets. On the other hand, it might also forestall the Iron Curtain, which is good news if you live in Eastern Europe.
** I don't know about that. If anything, more men on the Pacific Front would more likely "convince" the Japanese to surrender earlier because the already seriously depleted and way under-resourced remains of their army would be suffering even WORSE CurbStompBattle than they were in Real Life. They'd be getting defeated even faster than they were and most likely would have surrendered either in the fall of 1944 or the beginning of 1945. The A-bombs never happen, and by extension, Operation Downfall never happens.
** I don't know about that. If anything, more men on the Pacific Front would more likely "convince" the Japanese to surrender earlier because the already seriously depleted and way under-resourced remains of their army would be suffering even WORSE CurbStompBattle than they were in Real Life. They'd be getting defeated even faster than they were and most likely would have surrendered either in the fall of 1944 or the beginning of 1945. The A-bombs never happen, and by extension, Operation Downfall never happens.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 5,8 (click to see context) from:
* When [[spoiler: the Nazis are killed]], it is during a violent propaganda movie in which a 'war hero' slaughters hundreds of Allied troops, which invokes cheering from the Nazis. However, after watching the film-which is almost a parody of an American propaganda movie-a thoughtful viewer might realize that he has just watched [[spoiler: two Allied 'heroes' slaughtering Nazis]], which is almost inevitably enjoyable for your average viewer. Tarantino is highlighting the way the violence in cinema brings out the worst in people, providing the violence is directed toward AcceptableTargets.
* The Basterds originally start out as eight Jewish soldiers, with a ninth commanding officer. This is reminiscent of a Hanukah menorah, which has eight candles and a ninth used to light them. Hanukah is a holiday celebrating a Jewish revolt. However, the candle used to light the eight others is called a "shamash," meaning "helper," which does not groove with the soldier/commander dynamic. The Basterds are never arrayed in a way that suggests a menorah, and also gain a ninth member, which throw off the metaphor. It's probably just a coincidence.
** Unless you consider Hugo Stiglitz as "the helper". He's the only non-Jewish member of the Basterds.
** I'm pretty sure that when the Basterds were busting Stiglitz out of prison that the eight of them were all standing side-by-side, with Raine standing forward of them and slightly to the side.
* The Basterds originally start out as eight Jewish soldiers, with a ninth commanding officer. This is reminiscent of a Hanukah menorah, which has eight candles and a ninth used to light them. Hanukah is a holiday celebrating a Jewish revolt. However, the candle used to light the eight others is called a "shamash," meaning "helper," which does not groove with the soldier/commander dynamic. The Basterds are never arrayed in a way that suggests a menorah, and also gain a ninth member, which throw off the metaphor. It's probably just a coincidence.
** Unless you consider Hugo Stiglitz as "the helper". He's the only non-Jewish member of the Basterds.
** I'm pretty sure that when the Basterds were busting Stiglitz out of prison that the eight of them were all standing side-by-side, with Raine standing forward of them and slightly to the side.
to:
* When [[spoiler: the Nazis are killed]], killed, it is during a violent propaganda movie in which a 'war hero' war hero slaughters hundreds of Allied troops, which invokes cheering from the Nazis. However, after watching the film-which This is almost a parody of an American propaganda movie-a thoughtful viewer might realize that he has just watched [[spoiler: eventually paralleled by two Allied 'heroes' slaughtering Nazis]], war heroes mowing down Nazis, which is almost inevitably enjoyable for your average viewer. Tarantino is highlighting would certainly involve lots of cheering from the way the violence in cinema brings out the worst in people, providing the violence is directed toward AcceptableTargets.
* The Basterds originally start out as eight Jewish soldiers, with a ninth commanding officer. This is reminiscent of a Hanukah menorah, which has eight candles and a ninth used to light them. Hanukah is a holiday celebrating a Jewish revolt. However, the candle used to light the eight others is called a "shamash," meaning "helper," which does not groove with the soldier/commander dynamic. The Basterds are never arrayed in a way that suggests a menorah, and also gain a ninth member, which throw off the metaphor. It's probably just a coincidence.
** Unless you consider Hugo Stiglitz as "the helper". He's the only non-Jewish member of the Basterds.
** I'm pretty sure that when the Basterds were busting Stiglitz out of prison that the eight of them were all standing side-by-side, with Raine standing forward of them and slightly to the side.actual film's audience.
* The Basterds originally start out as eight Jewish soldiers, with a ninth commanding officer. This is reminiscent of a Hanukah menorah, which has eight candles and a ninth used to light them. Hanukah is a holiday celebrating a Jewish revolt. However, the candle used to light the eight others is called a "shamash," meaning "helper," which does not groove with the soldier/commander dynamic. The Basterds are never arrayed in a way that suggests a menorah, and also gain a ninth member, which throw off the metaphor. It's probably just a coincidence.
** Unless you consider Hugo Stiglitz as "the helper". He's the only non-Jewish member of the Basterds.
** I'm pretty sure that when the Basterds were busting Stiglitz out of prison that the eight of them were all standing side-by-side, with Raine standing forward of them and slightly to the side.
Deleted line(s) 13 (click to see context) :
** Bridget herself killed Wilhelm to avoid being exposed, so in some ways this could be seen as poetic justice. Doesn't make her death scene any less horrific to watch.
Deleted line(s) 17,26 (click to see context) :
[[AC: FridgeLogic]]
* Carving a swastika into a forehead isn't actually all ''that'' horrific, in the long run - even 1944 reconstructive surgery was capable of removing it. The victims might still have a noticeable scar after surgery, but the original shape wouldn't be visible. It's possible that Raine didn't know about that much about cosmetic surgery. Even if he did know. he might have just wanted to scare his victims.
** If anything, the practice at least leaves MENTAL scars, as well as guarantee deserved exclusion from society. [[CaptainObvious Seeing all your comrades get slaughtered by eight members of the so-called inferior race, getting cut in a grotesque and painful way, and only being left alive so you can tell your horrible tale must be horrific.]]
*** Good luck finding a doctor who'd perform it, however, even assuming the cutting doesn't sever muscles.
*** Even though plastic surgery at that time was available, it would still prove to be far too expensive for a normal soldier in post-war Germany.
** Possible FridgeBrilliance here: in some traditions of Kabbalah, there's a belief that particularly holy people, such as Moses, have letters of the name of God (YHWH) shining from their foreheads, whereas particularly evil people have demonic signs. What Aldo's saying might not be "You'll have this (the swastika scar) for the rest of your life" so much as "You can't take this off because I'm just showing you for [[RedRightHand what you are]]."
*** It may also invoke the Mark of Cain in the Bible-Cain is marked by God after murdering his brother, so everyone will know what he did.
* How did no one in the basement bar recognize Stiglitz? Landa recognized him, and it's shown in an earlier scene that not only did Stiglitz murder thirteen Gestapo officers, he was arrested and the story printed in at least one newspaper. It's highly likely that large amounts of people saw his photo, either in a newspaper or on a wanted poster. Although it's possible he was recognized and everyone chose to ignore it, that's highly unlikely.
** One: everyone’s been drinking heavily. Two: [[BehindTheBlack the movie makes no mention]] [[NoOntologicalInertia of Stiglitz’s prison break ever being reported]], so everyone assumes he’s still in prison. Three: even if someone was sober and knew that Stiglitz was freed, [[OccamsRazor people tend to assume that a simpler hypothesis is true over a more complex one]]. If you were in a coffee shop and Tom Cruise walked in, your default reaction would be “hey, that person looks like Tom Cruise”.
* Carving a swastika into a forehead isn't actually all ''that'' horrific, in the long run - even 1944 reconstructive surgery was capable of removing it. The victims might still have a noticeable scar after surgery, but the original shape wouldn't be visible. It's possible that Raine didn't know about that much about cosmetic surgery. Even if he did know. he might have just wanted to scare his victims.
** If anything, the practice at least leaves MENTAL scars, as well as guarantee deserved exclusion from society. [[CaptainObvious Seeing all your comrades get slaughtered by eight members of the so-called inferior race, getting cut in a grotesque and painful way, and only being left alive so you can tell your horrible tale must be horrific.]]
*** Good luck finding a doctor who'd perform it, however, even assuming the cutting doesn't sever muscles.
*** Even though plastic surgery at that time was available, it would still prove to be far too expensive for a normal soldier in post-war Germany.
** Possible FridgeBrilliance here: in some traditions of Kabbalah, there's a belief that particularly holy people, such as Moses, have letters of the name of God (YHWH) shining from their foreheads, whereas particularly evil people have demonic signs. What Aldo's saying might not be "You'll have this (the swastika scar) for the rest of your life" so much as "You can't take this off because I'm just showing you for [[RedRightHand what you are]]."
*** It may also invoke the Mark of Cain in the Bible-Cain is marked by God after murdering his brother, so everyone will know what he did.
* How did no one in the basement bar recognize Stiglitz? Landa recognized him, and it's shown in an earlier scene that not only did Stiglitz murder thirteen Gestapo officers, he was arrested and the story printed in at least one newspaper. It's highly likely that large amounts of people saw his photo, either in a newspaper or on a wanted poster. Although it's possible he was recognized and everyone chose to ignore it, that's highly unlikely.
** One: everyone’s been drinking heavily. Two: [[BehindTheBlack the movie makes no mention]] [[NoOntologicalInertia of Stiglitz’s prison break ever being reported]], so everyone assumes he’s still in prison. Three: even if someone was sober and knew that Stiglitz was freed, [[OccamsRazor people tend to assume that a simpler hypothesis is true over a more complex one]]. If you were in a coffee shop and Tom Cruise walked in, your default reaction would be “hey, that person looks like Tom Cruise”.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 37 (click to see context) from:
* At the end of the movie, Lieutenant Raine [[spoiler: shoots Landa's driver, whom he refers to as Hermann, in the stomach, as evidenced by the angle of his pistol when he fires.]] When [[spoiler: he]] falls, he orders [[spoiler: Utivich to scalp him.]] Since it can take anywhere from several minutes to a few hours to die from a gunshot wound to the stomach, as evidenced in previous Quentin Tarantino movies, it's entirely possible that [[spoiler: Hermann was still alive while being scalped.]]
to:
* At the end of the movie, Lieutenant Raine [[spoiler: shoots Landa's driver, whom he refers to as calls Hermann, in the stomach, as evidenced by the angle of his pistol when he fires.]] When [[spoiler: he]] Hermann]] falls, he Raine orders [[spoiler: Utivich to scalp him.]] Since it can take anywhere from several minutes to a few hours to die from a gunshot wound to the stomach, as evidenced in previous Quentin Tarantino movies, it's entirely possible that [[spoiler: Hermann was still alive while being scalped.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
simplifying
Changed line(s) 24,28 (click to see context) from:
* Fridge logic: how did no-one in the basement bar recognize Stiglitz? Landa recognized him, and it's shown in an earlier scene that not only did Stiglitz murder thirteen Gestapo officers, he was arrested and the story printed in at least one newspaper. It's highly likely that large amounts of people saw his photo, either in a newspaper or on a wanted poster. Although it's possible he was recognized and everyone chose to ignore it, that's highly unlikely.
** Everyone in that bar was either drunk or just not looking at him. People tend to not see what they don't expect to see anyway. Stiglitz probably doesn't look that different from a whole lot of German soldiers either, come to that.
** If Major Hellstrom recognized Stiglitz, then it's likely he just didn't want to cause a fuss with that many people present.
** One, everyone’s been drinking heavily. Two, AFAIK Stiglitz’s prison break was never reported, so everyone assumes he’s still in prison. Three, even if someone was sober and knew that Stiglitz was freed, people tend to assume that a simpler hypothesis is true over a more complex one. If you were in a coffee shop and a celebrity walked in, your default reaction would be “hey, that person looks like So-and-So the celebrity”.
** Everyone in that bar was either drunk or just not looking at him. People tend to not see what they don't expect to see anyway. Stiglitz probably doesn't look that different from a whole lot of German soldiers either, come to that.
** If Major Hellstrom recognized Stiglitz, then it's likely he just didn't want to cause a fuss with that many people present.
** One, everyone’s been drinking heavily. Two, AFAIK Stiglitz’s prison break was never reported, so everyone assumes he’s still in prison. Three, even if someone was sober and knew that Stiglitz was freed, people tend to assume that a simpler hypothesis is true over a more complex one. If you were in a coffee shop and a celebrity walked in, your default reaction would be “hey, that person looks like So-and-So the celebrity”.
to:
* Fridge logic: how How did no-one no one in the basement bar recognize Stiglitz? Landa recognized him, and it's shown in an earlier scene that not only did Stiglitz murder thirteen Gestapo officers, he was arrested and the story printed in at least one newspaper. It's highly likely that large amounts of people saw his photo, either in a newspaper or on a wanted poster. Although it's possible he was recognized and everyone chose to ignore it, that's highly unlikely.
**Everyone in that bar was either drunk or just not looking at him. People tend to not see what they don't expect to see anyway. Stiglitz probably doesn't look that different from a whole lot of German soldiers either, come to that.
** If Major Hellstrom recognized Stiglitz, then it's likely he just didn't want to cause a fuss with that many people present.
** One,One: everyone’s been drinking heavily. Two, AFAIK Two: [[BehindTheBlack the movie makes no mention]] [[NoOntologicalInertia of Stiglitz’s prison break was never reported, ever being reported]], so everyone assumes he’s still in prison. Three, Three: even if someone was sober and knew that Stiglitz was freed, [[OccamsRazor people tend to assume that a simpler hypothesis is true over a more complex one. one]]. If you were in a coffee shop and a celebrity Tom Cruise walked in, your default reaction would be “hey, that person looks like So-and-So the celebrity”.
Tom Cruise”.
**
** If Major Hellstrom recognized Stiglitz, then it's likely he just didn't want to cause a fuss with that many people present.
** One,
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 23 (click to see context) from:
*** It may also invoke the Mark of Cain in the Bible-Cain is marked after murdering his brother by God, so everyone will know what he did.
to:
*** It may also invoke the Mark of Cain in the Bible-Cain is marked by God after murdering his brother by God, brother, so everyone will know what he did.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 15 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Aldo and the Basterds make no distinction between party Nazis and German enlisted men, carving a swastika into their foreheads alike. Why doesn't Aldo reserve his hate for the Nazis? Because the enlisted men, if they didn't agree with the Nazis, could always take Hugo Stiglitz's example.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 26 (click to see context) from:
to:
** One, everyone’s been drinking heavily. Two, AFAIK Stiglitz’s prison break was never reported, so everyone assumes he’s still in prison. Three, even if someone was sober and knew that Stiglitz was freed, people tend to assume that a simpler hypothesis is true over a more complex one. If you were in a coffee shop and a celebrity walked in, your default reaction would be “hey, that person looks like So-and-So the celebrity”.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Fridge Horror
Changed line(s) 30,31 (click to see context) from:
** I don't know about that. If anything, more men on the Pacific Front would more likely "convince" the Japanese to surrender earlier because the already seriously depleted and way under-resourced remains of their army would be suffering even WORSE CurbStompBattle than they were in Real Life. They'd be getting defeated even faster than they were and most likely would have surrendered either in the fall of 1944 or the beginning of 1945. The A-bombs never happen, and by extension, Operation Downfall never happens.
to:
** I don't know about that. If anything, more men on the Pacific Front would more likely "convince" the Japanese to surrender earlier because the already seriously depleted and way under-resourced remains of their army would be suffering even WORSE CurbStompBattle than they were in Real Life. They'd be getting defeated even faster than they were and most likely would have surrendered either in the fall of 1944 1944 or the beginning of 1945. The A-bombs never happen, and by extension, Operation Downfall never happens.
Added DiffLines:
*At the end of the movie, Lieutenant Raine [[spoiler: shoots Landa's driver, whom he refers to as Hermann, in the stomach, as evidenced by the angle of his pistol when he fires.]] When [[spoiler: he]] falls, he orders [[spoiler: Utivich to scalp him.]] Since it can take anywhere from several minutes to a few hours to die from a gunshot wound to the stomach, as evidenced in previous Quentin Tarantino movies, it's entirely possible that [[spoiler: Hermann was still alive while being scalped.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** This could also tie into the fact that Donny is Jewish, and in the Jewish faith, the dead have to be properly buried as soon after death as possible - something the Nazis didn't do. He's exacting his own form of revenge on the soldiers and their families, in accordance with what is blasphemous in his own faith.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 14 (click to see context) from:
to:
* While Goebbels is pretty clearly an EvilMentor to Zoller, does anyone else notice that apparent DoggedNiceGuy Zoller seems to be taking after him? His ego is constantly swelling due to everyone's admiration, to the point that he clearly oversteps his boundaries with Goebbels (who laughs it off) and Landa (who doesn't), which is pretty telling for a mere private. Also, his outburst at Shosanna shows a massive sense of entitlement, and his sudden return to nice guy once he gets what he wants seems to mirror Goebbels' childish mood swings.
Deleted line(s) 22 (click to see context) :
* While Goebbels is pretty clearly an EvilMentor to Zoller, does anyone else notice that apparent DoggedNiceGuy Zoller seems to be taking after him? His ego is constantly swelling due to everyone's admiration, to the point that he clearly oversteps his boundaries with Goebbels (who laughs it off) and Landa (who doesn't), which is pretty telling for a mere private. Also, his outburst at Shosanna shows a massive sense of entitlement, and his sudden return to nice guy once he gets what he wants seems to mirror Goebbels' childish mood swings.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 34 (click to see context) from:
** Mind you, Hans Landa is an {{Expy}} for Himmler so the irony is the man who had the most to gain by covering up Nazi atrocities had no problem throwing his fellow Germans under the bus either.
to:
** Mind you, Hans Landa is an {{Expy}} for Himmler so the irony is the man who had the most to gain by covering up Nazi atrocities had no problem throwing his fellow Germans [[strike:Germans]] Natzis under the bus either.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** Mind you, Hans Landa is an {{Expy}} for Himmler so the irony is the man who had the most to gain by covering up Nazi atrocities had no problem throwing his fellow Germans under the bus either.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Bridget's complicity in killing to avoid exposure.
Changed line(s) 13 (click to see context) from:
to:
** Bridget herself killed Wilhelm to avoid being exposed, so in some ways this could be seen as poetic justice. Doesn't make her death scene any less horrific to watch.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* Those medals Donny wears around his neck in his introduction scene? Those are German dogtags. He's presumably beating people to the point they're no longer recognizable, and taking the dogtags as trophies -- he's intentionally depriving their families of a funeral, and his kills of a proper burial.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
In wrong place.
Changed line(s) 12 (click to see context) from:
to:
* Landa does not, in fact, strangle Bridget von Hammersmark for treason. He strangles her because he was already planning to defect and let the Basterds kill Hitler--and already planned to cast himself in the role of the planner and hero. The role that Bridget herself had, in fact, occupied. He killed her so that she wouldn't be able to take the credit or expose that he wasn't really the mole in the Third Reich.
Deleted line(s) 21 (click to see context) :
* Landa does not, in fact, strangle Bridget von Hammersmark for treason. He strangles her because he was already planning to defect and let the Basterds kill Hitler--and already planned to cast himself in the role of the planner and hero. The role that Bridget herself had, in fact, occupied. He killed her so that she wouldn't be able to take the credit or expose that he wasn't really the mole in the Third Reich.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 29,30 (click to see context) from:
** I don't know about that. If anything, more men on the Pacific Front would more likely "convince" the Japanese to surrender earlier because the already seriously depleted and way under-resourced remains of their army would be suffering even WORSE CurbStompBattles than they were in Real Life. They'd be getting defeated even faster than they were and most likely would have surrendered either in the fall of 1944 or the beginning of 1945. The A-bombs never happen, and by extension, Operation Downfall never happens.
to:
** I don't know about that. If anything, more men on the Pacific Front would more likely "convince" the Japanese to surrender earlier because the already seriously depleted and way under-resourced remains of their army would be suffering even WORSE CurbStompBattles CurbStompBattle than they were in Real Life. They'd be getting defeated even faster than they were and most likely would have surrendered either in the fall of 1944 or the beginning of 1945. The A-bombs never happen, and by extension, Operation Downfall never happens.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
**I don't know about that. If anything, more men on the Pacific Front would more likely "convince" the Japanese to surrender earlier because the already seriously depleted and way under-resourced remains of their army would be suffering even WORSE CurbStompBattles than they were in Real Life. They'd be getting defeated even faster than they were and most likely would have surrendered either in the fall of 1944 or the beginning of 1945. The A-bombs never happen, and by extension, Operation Downfall never happens.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 4,5 (click to see context) from:
* When Donny Donowitz beats a German solider to death with a baseball bat, the image is reminiscent of the scene in the Creator/StanleyKubrick film ''Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey'', where a primitive hominid beats to death a hominid from a rival tribe with a bone. The scene in Kubrick's film is scored to Richard Strauss’s composition ''Thus Spake Zarathustra'', which is based on the book of the same name by German philosopher Freidrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche's book describes the rise of the “super man” in human affairs, a concept that is reflected in Kubrick's film through the depiction of the early "human" learning to dominate others through superior intellect and will. Nietzsche’s book had been adopted as a key philosophical text by the National Socialist party in Germany, who interpreted it as addressing the superiority of the German/Aryan races and their capacity to dominate other, inferior, races of Europe, including the Jews. Therefore, the image of a Jewish-American soldier beating down a German soldier appropriates Kubrick's image to create a highly ironic reversal of the "Nazi" interpretation of Nietzsche’s text.
* When [[spoiler: the Nazis are killed]], it is during a violent propaganda movie in which a 'war hero' slaughters hundreds of Allied troops, which invokes cheering from the Nazis. However, after watching the film which is almost a parody of an American propaganda movie, a thoughtful viewer might realise that he has just watched [[spoiler: two Allied 'heroes' slaughtering Nazis]], which is almost inevitably enjoyable for your average viewer. Tarantino is highlighting the way the violence in cinema brings out the worst in people, providing the violence is directed toward AcceptableTargets.
* When [[spoiler: the Nazis are killed]], it is during a violent propaganda movie in which a 'war hero' slaughters hundreds of Allied troops, which invokes cheering from the Nazis. However, after watching the film which is almost a parody of an American propaganda movie, a thoughtful viewer might realise that he has just watched [[spoiler: two Allied 'heroes' slaughtering Nazis]], which is almost inevitably enjoyable for your average viewer. Tarantino is highlighting the way the violence in cinema brings out the worst in people, providing the violence is directed toward AcceptableTargets.
to:
* When Donny Donowitz beats a German solider to death with a baseball bat, the image is reminiscent of the scene in the Creator/StanleyKubrick film ''Film/TwoThousandOneASpaceOdyssey'', where a primitive hominid beats to death a hominid from a rival tribe with a bone. The scene in Kubrick's film is scored to Richard Strauss’s composition ''Thus Spake Zarathustra'', which is based on the book of the same name by German philosopher Freidrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche's book describes the rise of the “super man” in human affairs, a concept that is reflected in Kubrick's film through the depiction of the early "human" learning to dominate others through superior intellect and will. Nietzsche’s book had been adopted as a key philosophical text by the National Socialist party in Germany, who interpreted it as addressing the superiority of the German/Aryan races and their capacity to dominate other, inferior, races of Europe, including the Jews. Therefore, the image of a Jewish-American soldier beating down a German soldier appropriates Kubrick's image to create a highly ironic reversal of the "Nazi" interpretation of Nietzsche’s text.text (the real Nietzsche would have approved any reversal, since he loathed antisemitism and German nationalism-the Nazi use of his work would have outraged him).
* When [[spoiler: the Nazis are killed]], it is during a violent propaganda movie in which a 'war hero' slaughters hundreds of Allied troops, which invokes cheering from the Nazis. However, after watching thefilm which film-which is almost a parody of an American propaganda movie, a movie-a thoughtful viewer might realise realize that he has just watched [[spoiler: two Allied 'heroes' slaughtering Nazis]], which is almost inevitably enjoyable for your average viewer. Tarantino is highlighting the way the violence in cinema brings out the worst in people, providing the violence is directed toward AcceptableTargets.
* When [[spoiler: the Nazis are killed]], it is during a violent propaganda movie in which a 'war hero' slaughters hundreds of Allied troops, which invokes cheering from the Nazis. However, after watching the
Changed line(s) 9 (click to see context) from:
* When Frederick Zoller gets angry at Shoshanna at the end because she kept turning him down, some people would have been surprised...but FridgeBrilliance does kick in at this point - he's a [[BitchInSheepsClothing "nice]] [[EntitledToHaveYou guy"]] who honestly believes himself to be a DoggedNiceGuy, and as it goes with most real life "nice guys", they often react with anger and frustration when the DoggedNiceGuy act doesn't work. Even though he's being kind to her throughout the film, he continually refuses to get the message that she isn't interested in him, nor does it ever cross his mind that he might not be able to "win her over"; by the end of it, he realises that treating her with basic kindness and respect isn't going to get him laid, and he throws a tantrum over it. Any girl who's had to deal with a guy who's behaved like this can pretty much see how this "romance" would end right from the start.
to:
* When Frederick Zoller gets angry at Shoshanna Shosanna at the end because she kept turning him down, some people would have been surprised...but FridgeBrilliance does kick in at this point - he's a [[BitchInSheepsClothing "nice]] [[EntitledToHaveYou guy"]] who honestly believes himself to be a DoggedNiceGuy, and as it goes with most real life "nice guys", they often react with anger and frustration when the DoggedNiceGuy act doesn't work. Even though he's being kind to her throughout the film, he continually refuses to get the message that she isn't interested in him, nor does it ever cross his mind that he might not be able to "win her over"; by the end of it, he realises realizes that treating her with basic kindness and respect isn't going to get him laid, and he throws a tantrum over it. Any girl who's had to deal with a guy who's behaved like this can pretty much see how this "romance" would end right from the start.
Changed line(s) 17 (click to see context) from:
**** Even though plastic surgery at that time was available, it would still prove to be far too expensive for a normal soldier in post-war Germany
to:
**** Even though plastic surgery at that time was available, it would still prove to be far too expensive for a normal soldier in post-war GermanyGermany.
Changed line(s) 19,21 (click to see context) from:
* While Goebbels is pretty clearly an EvilMentor to Zoller, does anyone else notice that apparent DoggedNiceGuy Zoller seems to be taking after him? His ego is constantly swelling due to everyone's admiration, to the point that he clearly oversteps his boundaries with Goebbels (who laughs it off) and Landa (who doesn't), which is pretty telling for a mere private. Also, his outburst at Shoshanna shows a massive sense of entitlement, and his sudden return to nice guy once he gets what he wants seems to mirror Goebbels' childish mood swings.
* Landa does not, in fact, strangle Bridget Von Hammersmark for treason. He strangles her because he was already planning to defect and let the Basterds kill Hitler--and already planned to cast himself in the role of the planner and hero. The role that Bridget herself had, in fact, occupied. He killed her so that she wouldn't be able to take the credit or expose that he wasn't really the mole in the Third Reich.
* Fridge logic: how did no-one in the basement bar recognise Stiglitz? Landa recognised him, and it's shown in an earlier scene that not only did Stiglitz murder thirteen Gestapo officers, he was arrested and the story printed in at least one newspaper. It's highly likely that large amounts of people saw his photo, either in a newspaper or on a wanted poster. Although it's possible he was recognised and everyone chose to ignore it, that's highly unlikely.
* Landa does not, in fact, strangle Bridget Von Hammersmark for treason. He strangles her because he was already planning to defect and let the Basterds kill Hitler--and already planned to cast himself in the role of the planner and hero. The role that Bridget herself had, in fact, occupied. He killed her so that she wouldn't be able to take the credit or expose that he wasn't really the mole in the Third Reich.
* Fridge logic: how did no-one in the basement bar recognise Stiglitz? Landa recognised him, and it's shown in an earlier scene that not only did Stiglitz murder thirteen Gestapo officers, he was arrested and the story printed in at least one newspaper. It's highly likely that large amounts of people saw his photo, either in a newspaper or on a wanted poster. Although it's possible he was recognised and everyone chose to ignore it, that's highly unlikely.
to:
*** It may also invoke the Mark of Cain in the Bible-Cain is marked after murdering his brother by God, so everyone will know what he did.
* While Goebbels is pretty clearly an EvilMentor to Zoller, does anyone else notice that apparent DoggedNiceGuy Zoller seems to be taking after him? His ego is constantly swelling due to everyone's admiration, to the point that he clearly oversteps his boundaries with Goebbels (who laughs it off) and Landa (who doesn't), which is pretty telling for a mere private. Also, his outburst atShoshanna Shosanna shows a massive sense of entitlement, and his sudden return to nice guy once he gets what he wants seems to mirror Goebbels' childish mood swings.
* Landa does not, in fact, strangle BridgetVon von Hammersmark for treason. He strangles her because he was already planning to defect and let the Basterds kill Hitler--and already planned to cast himself in the role of the planner and hero. The role that Bridget herself had, in fact, occupied. He killed her so that she wouldn't be able to take the credit or expose that he wasn't really the mole in the Third Reich.
* Fridge logic: how did no-one in the basement barrecognise recognize Stiglitz? Landa recognised recognized him, and it's shown in an earlier scene that not only did Stiglitz murder thirteen Gestapo officers, he was arrested and the story printed in at least one newspaper. It's highly likely that large amounts of people saw his photo, either in a newspaper or on a wanted poster. Although it's possible he was recognised recognized and everyone chose to ignore it, that's highly unlikely.
* While Goebbels is pretty clearly an EvilMentor to Zoller, does anyone else notice that apparent DoggedNiceGuy Zoller seems to be taking after him? His ego is constantly swelling due to everyone's admiration, to the point that he clearly oversteps his boundaries with Goebbels (who laughs it off) and Landa (who doesn't), which is pretty telling for a mere private. Also, his outburst at
* Landa does not, in fact, strangle Bridget
* Fridge logic: how did no-one in the basement bar
Changed line(s) 23,24 (click to see context) from:
** If Major Hellstrom recognised Stiglitz, then it's likely he just didn't want to cause a fuss with that many people present.
to:
** If Major Hellstrom recognised recognized Stiglitz, then it's likely he just didn't want to cause a fuss with that many people present.
Changed line(s) 26,27 (click to see context) from:
* If everything goes 100% ideal in the aftermath of Operation Kino, and the European Axis (Germany, the Italian Social Republic) capitulates, then America gets to turn around and throw massive quantities of men and material that would have been committed to the Western Front at the Pacific. Good news for the Chinese in Manchuria, bad news for the Americans, because they are going to be at Japan's doorstep ahead of schedule and before Little Boy and Fat Man are ready to drop. In other words, America would go forward with Operation Downfall, the invasion of the Japanese Home Islands, which had a fatality estimate in the Megadeath range, would likely end up depopulating large areas of Japan, and could have involved chemical weapon attacks on both military and civilian targets.
* The real Fridge horror is the fact that the Holocaust was happening at the same time as the events in this film. Even if Hitler gets killed early to create an AlternateUniverse, millions of people still died and for all their bravado, the Basterds did nothing to actually stop it or save those lives. There's no guarantee that Hitler's death would stop it, it could halt the extermination (but not the Nazis' attempts to delete and bury the evidence and try and kill remaining survivors). Furthermore, even if Hitler and the Nazi High Command are dead, there's no guarantee that the Nazis would fall. It's likely that the people behind the Operation Valkyrie plot would come to power and while they would depose the Nazi Party and call for a peaceful end to the war, its not likely that they'll return vast swathes of conquered territory or prosecute war criminals.
* The real Fridge horror is the fact that the Holocaust was happening at the same time as the events in this film. Even if Hitler gets killed early to create an AlternateUniverse, millions of people still died and for all their bravado, the Basterds did nothing to actually stop it or save those lives. There's no guarantee that Hitler's death would stop it, it could halt the extermination (but not the Nazis' attempts to delete and bury the evidence and try and kill remaining survivors). Furthermore, even if Hitler and the Nazi High Command are dead, there's no guarantee that the Nazis would fall. It's likely that the people behind the Operation Valkyrie plot would come to power and while they would depose the Nazi Party and call for a peaceful end to the war, its not likely that they'll return vast swathes of conquered territory or prosecute war criminals.
to:
* If everything goes 100% ideal in the aftermath of Operation Kino, and the European Axis (Germany, the Italian Social Republic) Republic, etc.) capitulates, then America gets to turn around and throw massive quantities of men and material that would have been committed to the Western Front at the Pacific. Good news for the Chinese in Manchuria, bad news for the Americans, because they are going to be at Japan's doorstep ahead of schedule and before Little Boy and Fat Man are ready to drop. In other words, America would go forward with Operation Downfall, the invasion of the Japanese Home Islands, which had a fatality estimate in the Megadeath range, would likely end up depopulating large areas of Japan, and could have involved chemical weapon attacks on both military and civilian targets.
targets. On the other hand, it might also forestall the Iron Curtain, which is good news if you live in Eastern Europe.
* The real Fridge horror is the fact that the Holocaust was happening at the same time as the events in this film. Even if Hitler gets killed early to create an AlternateUniverse, millions of people still died and for all their bravado, the Basterds did nothing to actually stop it or save those lives. There's no guarantee that Hitler's death would stopit, it it. It could halt the extermination (but extermination, but not the Nazis' attempts to delete and bury the evidence and try and kill remaining survivors).survivors. Furthermore, even if Hitler and the Nazi High Command are dead, there's no guarantee that the Nazis would fall. It's likely that the people behind the Operation Valkyrie plot would come to power and while they would depose the Nazi Party and call for a peaceful end to the war, its not likely that they'll return vast swathes of conquered territory or prosecute war criminals.
* The real Fridge horror is the fact that the Holocaust was happening at the same time as the events in this film. Even if Hitler gets killed early to create an AlternateUniverse, millions of people still died and for all their bravado, the Basterds did nothing to actually stop it or save those lives. There's no guarantee that Hitler's death would stop
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 27 (click to see context) :
** Though, in RealLife, the Japanese were ready to surrender by the time of the atomic bomb. It's just America was so angry, they wanted to make a statement of power and the Japanese attempts to surrender were to [[TooDumbToLive Joseph Stalin]]. It's possible a more peaceful surrender agreement was reached--though, this being Tarantino, I wouldn't bet on it.