History Fridge / HowToTrainYourDragon

25th Apr '17 6:43:08 PM Jayalaw
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* Why did Valhallarama a long time ago refuse to rescue Hiccup when he was kidnapped? Because the last time she waited for a distress signal, [[spoiler:she thought she was too late to save her love, Humongous. [[SarcasmMode Thanks, Alvin]].]] Not wanting to go through that trauma again, and wanting Hiccup to be a better hero than [spoiler: Humongous was]], she sternly orders him to rescue himself. Hiccup didn't understand, only believing his mother didn't care as much as his father did.
* Stoick's jealousy of Humongous makes more sense when Humongous reveals that [[spoiler:they both courted Valhallarama, and Stoick won her by stealing the Fire Stone.]]
23rd Apr '17 8:13:45 AM peacexfreedom
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* If you think about it, the dragons [[spoiler: were indirectly protecting the Vikings from the Green Death. Of the dragons had not stole the food from the Vikings to feed the Green Death, the beast most likely would've attacked the village.....killing all of them.]]

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* If you think about it, the dragons [[spoiler: were indirectly protecting the Vikings from the Green Death. Of If the dragons had not stole the food from the Vikings to feed the Green Death, the beast most likely would've attacked the village.....killing all of them.]]
16th Jan '17 5:17:41 PM LBHills
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* The scene where Hiccup and Toothless are taking Astrid for a ride, and the Aurora comes out. This troper could not stop thinking of the Rainbow Bridge, and how much the Lights must have looked like that to them. A truly powerful moment.
** To clarify: in traditional Norse mythology, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifrost Rainbow Bridge]] was considered a path between Midgard, the earth, to Asgard- the realm of the gods. Once one realizes the religious significance this must have to the teenagers, Astrid's reaction makes much more sense.

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* The scene where Hiccup and Toothless are taking Astrid for a ride, and the Aurora comes out. This troper could not stop thinking of the Rainbow Bridge, and how much the Lights must have looked like that to them. A truly powerful moment.
** To clarify: in
In traditional Norse mythology, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifrost Rainbow Bridge]] was considered a path between Midgard, the earth, to Asgard- and Asgard - the realm of the gods. Once one realizes the religious significance this must have to the teenagers, Astrid's reaction makes much more sense.



** Actually, the only reason dragons were raiding Birk was because of the Green Death. Once ''that'' threat was eliminated, they reverted to their actual, more docile personality.

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** Actually, the only reason dragons were raiding Birk Berk was because of the Green Death. Once ''that'' threat was eliminated, they reverted to their actual, more docile personality.



* The boneknapper. It's been chasing Goober for years. Years when it hasn't had a full set of armour. Years without a roar. It wasn't mean, it was just, [[YouNeedToGetLaid frustrated.]]

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* The boneknapper. It's been chasing Goober Gobber for years. Years when during which it hasn't had a full set of armour. Years without a roar. It wasn't mean, it was just, just [[YouNeedToGetLaid frustrated.]]



* The BadassPacifist entry allowed me to realize this. So Astrid at first dismissed Hiccup as a scrawny weakling cuz he kinda is a scrawny weakling, but immediately after her dragon flight seems to have fallen for him. I figured that it wasn't only the romantic flight, but the fact that it was a romantic flight on the ''back of the most terrifying dragon ever'' that the dude she's dismissed actually ''tamed and rode.'' She realized how much more of a badass he is compared to the vikings she looked up to/aspired to be and admired it.

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* The BadassPacifist entry allowed me to realize this. So Astrid at first dismissed Hiccup as a scrawny weakling cuz because he '''is''' kinda is a scrawny weakling, but immediately after her dragon flight seems to have fallen for him. I figured that it wasn't only the romantic flight, but the fact that it was a romantic flight on the ''back of the most terrifying dragon ever'' that the dude she's dismissed actually ''tamed and rode.'' She realized how much more of a badass he is compared to the vikings she looked up to/aspired to be and admired it.




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* Astrid's defrosting isn't just a realization that Hiccup has HiddenDepths. She's been taught all her life that fighting dragons is absolutely necessary for Berk's survival. Even at fifteen, she's committed herself to a lifelong war and, if necessary, the same grisly death that hundreds of Berk Vikings have already endured. She changes into the more adventurous, caring person we see in the sequel because she no longer feels like doom is hanging over everyone she knows.
17th Dec '16 5:34:07 PM Jayalaw
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* One moral of the series is "The best is not always the most obvious," and Toothless and Fireworm, Snotlout's dragon, show this. When they just need to how off or impress the tribe publically Fireworm always appears to be the best, and she is the obvious choice for being the best, but when their masters are in danger it is Toothless who is the best dragon. When real danger comes Fireworm often screams "desert" and uselessly flees.

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* One moral of the series is "The best is not always the most obvious," and Toothless and Fireworm, Snotlout's dragon, show this. When they just need to how off or impress the tribe publically publicly Fireworm always appears to be the best, and she is the obvious choice for being the best, but when their masters are in danger it is Toothless who is the best dragon. When real danger comes Fireworm often screams "desert" and uselessly flees.



* TheReveal that [[spoiler:Fishlegs is Alvin's son, and thus Hiccup's distant cousin]], explains how Hiccup was able to obtain the Lost Things; Fishlegs provided the impetus or the motivation in most of the situations: if Fishlegs hadn't forgotten to get a dragon, Hiccup wouldn't have given him Horrowcow and gone back for Toothless. If Fishlegs hadn't gone berserk at the wrong time on two separate occasions, Hiccup wouldn't have discovered Endeavor in the underwater cave or obtained the Roman shield. Hiccup fetched the potato to save his best friend's life, and the Running Away Suitcase ends up buying enough time for Hiccup to get help from Humongous. The list goes on and on. As Hiccup puts it, "YOU are important to me!"

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* TheReveal that [[spoiler:Fishlegs is Alvin's son, and thus Hiccup's distant cousin]], explains how Hiccup was able to obtain the Lost Things; Fishlegs provided the impetus or the motivation in most of the situations: situations. if Fishlegs hadn't forgotten to get a dragon, Hiccup wouldn't have given him Horrowcow and gone back for Toothless. If Fishlegs hadn't gone berserk at the wrong time on two separate occasions, Hiccup wouldn't have discovered Endeavor in the underwater cave or obtained the Roman shield. Hiccup fetched the potato to save his best friend's life, and the Running Away Suitcase ends up buying enough time for Hiccup to get help from Humongous. The list goes on and on. As Hiccup puts it, "YOU are important to me!"
* Why don't we hear any more about Hiccup's other ancestors, like Hiccup II's brother Chucklehead, or his grandparents on his dad's side? Vikings strongly discourage reading and writing, and we only hear oral tales from antagonists when they want to persuade Hiccup. There are no books on Haddock history, despite the fact that Chucklehead managed to keep the survivors of his father's kingdom together. We hear Hiccup's tale because he did take the time to write his memoirs down before he forgot.
* The Wodensfang and the witch tell Hiccup that as a king he'll have to make hard decisions, though Hiccup opts for AlwaysSaveTheGirl even when it borders on LethallyStupid. Who ended up not making hard decisions? Grimbeard the Ghastly. [[spoiler:It was easy for him to enslave the dragons, leave his infant son to die, and drive away his wife. Likewise, it was easy for him to take back the grown Hiccup II because tradition mandated it, to emotionally abuse the boy and ban him from speaking Dragonese, and to kill his son on thinking him a traitor. Likewise, it was easier to banish Thugheart for his actual treachery rather than to kill him, because the better decision would have been to kill Thugheart as well so that his heirs couldn't fulfill the prophecy. All of these "easy" decisions lead to the hard ones that Hiccup makes in the present, as well as leave Hiccup with the problems of dragon slavery and Furious.]]
17th Dec '16 7:42:01 AM Jayalaw
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** [[spoiler: Stoic mentions banishing himself after merely debating the rules with himself. It seems odd until it is revealed in Book 9 that he previously broke a major rule to keep Hiccup alive a decade before the series even began, and Hiccup is a constant reminder that he should be banished by Hooligan Law.]]

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** [[spoiler: Stoic Stoick mentions banishing himself after merely debating the rules with himself. It seems odd until it is revealed in Book 9 that he previously broke a major rule to keep Hiccup alive a decade before the series even began, and Hiccup is a constant reminder that he should be banished by Hooligan Law.]]





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\n* TheReveal that [[spoiler:Fishlegs is Alvin's son, and thus Hiccup's distant cousin]], explains how Hiccup was able to obtain the Lost Things; Fishlegs provided the impetus or the motivation in most of the situations: if Fishlegs hadn't forgotten to get a dragon, Hiccup wouldn't have given him Horrowcow and gone back for Toothless. If Fishlegs hadn't gone berserk at the wrong time on two separate occasions, Hiccup wouldn't have discovered Endeavor in the underwater cave or obtained the Roman shield. Hiccup fetched the potato to save his best friend's life, and the Running Away Suitcase ends up buying enough time for Hiccup to get help from Humongous. The list goes on and on. As Hiccup puts it, "YOU are important to me!"
25th Nov '16 10:08:30 AM matthewhecht
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* [[spoiler: In the first book Toothless becomes way more capable of hunting when he goes in seawater, foreshadowing that he is a Sea Dragonus Giganticus Maximus.]]

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* [[spoiler: One moral of the series is "The best is not always the most obvious," and Toothless and Fireworm, Snotlout's dragon, show this. When they just need to how off or impress the tribe publically Fireworm always appears to be the best, and she is the obvious choice for being the best, but when their masters are in danger it is Toothless who is the best dragon. When real danger comes Fireworm often screams "desert" and uselessly flees.
* The first book has some that is not revealed until the end of the series.
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In the first book Toothless becomes way more capable of hunting when he goes in seawater, foreshadowing that he is a Sea Dragonus Giganticus Maximus.]]
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** [[spoiler: Stoic mentions banishing himself after merely debating the rules with himself. It seems odd until it is revealed in Book 9 that he previously broke a major rule to keep Hiccup alive a decade before the series even began, and Hiccup is a constant reminder that he should be banished by Hooligan Law.]]
** Hiccup is first taught a common moral of the series, "The best is not always the most obvious" from the least obvious source, the villain of the first book.

12th Nov '16 1:12:40 PM matthewhecht
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* [[spoiler: In the first book Toothless becomes way more capable of hunting when he goes in seawater, foreshadowing that he is a Sea Dragonus Giganticus Maximus.]]
31st Oct '16 1:55:10 PM Morgenthaler
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* Gobber (and one of the other tropers) mentioned that a downed dragon is a dead dragon. When Hiccup tells Astrid about why he didn't kill Toothless, he says it's because he looked as frightened as Hiccup was. Before that, he also points out to his father that the dragons have killed hundreds of Vikings and the Vikings have killed thousands of dragons. Most Vikings, excluding [[BadAss Stoick]], need a weapon when fighting a dragon or they'll be killed. This means when Hiccup dropped his knife and released Toothless or during the fish offering: he was totally defenseless. The brilliance is: Hiccup released Toothless because he was scared shitless and ''[[NotSoDifferent Toothless spared Hiccup because he was also scared shitless.]]''

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* Gobber (and one of the other tropers) mentioned that a downed dragon is a dead dragon. When Hiccup tells Astrid about why he didn't kill Toothless, he says it's because he looked as frightened as Hiccup was. Before that, he also points out to his father that the dragons have killed hundreds of Vikings and the Vikings have killed thousands of dragons. Most Vikings, excluding [[BadAss Stoick]], Stoick, need a weapon when fighting a dragon or they'll be killed. This means when Hiccup dropped his knife and released Toothless or during the fish offering: he was totally defenseless. The brilliance is: Hiccup released Toothless because he was scared shitless and ''[[NotSoDifferent Toothless spared Hiccup because he was also scared shitless.]]''
21st Jul '16 3:40:27 AM Morbuss
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** It gets worse. Rewatch the scene in the first movie where Stoick returns from his failed mission to find the nest. Gobber tells him Hiccup has a way with the beasts, and Stoick's eyes widen in shock. He was reminded of the last man who had a way with dragons. Then during the final exam, he is intently watching Hiccup to see what he will do, and when he sees him toss away his gear, his immediate thought is to stop Hiccup. His logic for disowning Hiccup is completely justified, if incorrect based on what he has seen.
1st May '16 12:18:19 PM Siberianchan
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** Being forced to use your non-dominant hand is rather taxing on your concentration and coordination. Stoick remarks how Hiccup has the attention span of a sparrow and his clumsiness is established early on. When he spends time with Toothless and starts making thir equipment Hiccup can use his domnant side as he wishes - and this immediately takes effect in him being more focused, a good deal more sure on his feet and subsequently more confident. He was getting comfortable in his own skin at last. Lefties who were forced to use the "good" hand growing up can relate.
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