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* Tinker Bell speaks English instead of her traditional ringing bell "fairy language". I always figured that the writers were ignoring the fairy language for the sake of the audience understanding her dialogue. Then it occurred to me that the only characters she talks to are Peter, Captain Hook, and the Lost Boys, all of whom could understand fairy speak in the original story. So Tinker Bell really is speaking Fairy and [[TranslationConvention Translation Convention]] is at work. Which adds another layer to adult Peter's first meeting with Tink - for all he's "grown up" he can still understand fairies, probably without realizing he was doing it. This could also explain why Tink's faith in him remained so strong in spite of everything; she knew that if he could still speak to her he couldn't be completely hopeless. As well as a sort of proof that he was Peter Pan. Just how many grown ups would be able to understand her?
* On a similar note: when Hook first shows up at Wendy's house, Nana the dog begins barking; Tootles, dozing in his chair, hears her and is able to translate her barks to the word "Hook" (the sound of the barks even morph into a human voice growling "HOOK!"). Tinkerbell says that you can remember Neverland in the place between being awake and being asleep; Tootles understands animal talk in that state because he knew it as a Lost Boy. Old people also nap a ''lot''. It makes sense that Tootles is beginning to remember Neverland. More fridge brilliance: senility in old age is often referred to as '''''second childhood'''''.

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* Tinker Bell speaks English instead of her traditional ringing bell "fairy language". I always figured that the writers were ignoring the fairy language for the sake of the audience understanding her dialogue. Then it occurred to me that the only characters she talks to are Peter, Captain Hook, and the Lost Boys, all of whom could understand fairy speak in the original story. So Tinker Bell really is speaking Fairy and [[TranslationConvention Translation Convention]] is at work. Which adds another layer to adult Peter's first meeting with Tink - for all he's "grown up" he can still understand fairies, probably without realizing he was doing it. This could also explain why Tink's faith in him remained so strong in spite of everything; she knew that if he could still speak to her he couldn't be completely hopeless. As well as a sort of proof that he was Peter Pan. Just Pan: just how many grown ups grown-ups would be able to understand her?
* On a similar note: when Hook first shows up at Wendy's house, Nana the dog begins barking; Tootles, dozing in his chair, hears her and is able to translate her barks to the word "Hook" (the sound of the barks even morph morphs into a human voice growling "HOOK!"). Tinkerbell says that you can remember Neverland in the place between being awake and being asleep; Tootles understands animal talk can understand animals in that state of consciousness, because he knew it how to talk to animals as a Lost Boy. Old And, given, that old people also nap a ''lot''. It ''lot'', it makes sense that Tootles is beginning to remember Neverland. More his former life. As some additional fridge brilliance: brilliance, senility in old age is often referred to as '''''second childhood'''''.childhood'''''!

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* Tinker Bell speaks English instead of her traditional ringing bell "fairy language". I always figured that the writers were ignoring the fairy language for the sake of the audience understanding her dialogue. Then it occurred to me that the only characters she talks to are Peter, Captain Hook, and the Lost Boys, all of whom could understand fairy speak in the original story. So Tinker Bell really is speaking Fairy and [[TranslationConvention Translation Convention]] is at work. Which adds another layer to adult Peter's first meeting with Tink - for all he's "grown up" he can still understand fairies, probably without realizing he was doing it.
** This could also explain why Tink's faith in him remained so strong in spite of everything; she knew that if he could still speak to her he couldn't be completely hopeless.
** As well as a sort of proof that he was Peter Pan. Just how many grown ups would be able to understand her?
* On a similar note: when Hook first shows up at Wendy's house, Nana the dog begins barking; Tootles, dozing in his chair, hears her and is able to translate her barks to the word "Hook" (the sound of the barks even morph into a human voice growling "HOOK!"). Tinkerbell says that you can remember Neverland in the place between being awake and being asleep; Tootles understands animal talk in that state because he knew it as a Lost Boy.
** Old people also nap a ''lot''. It makes sense that Tootles is beginning to remember Neverland.
** More fridge brilliance: senility in old age is often referred to as '''''second childhood'''''.

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* Tinker Bell speaks English instead of her traditional ringing bell "fairy language". I always figured that the writers were ignoring the fairy language for the sake of the audience understanding her dialogue. Then it occurred to me that the only characters she talks to are Peter, Captain Hook, and the Lost Boys, all of whom could understand fairy speak in the original story. So Tinker Bell really is speaking Fairy and [[TranslationConvention Translation Convention]] is at work. Which adds another layer to adult Peter's first meeting with Tink - for all he's "grown up" he can still understand fairies, probably without realizing he was doing it.
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it. This could also explain why Tink's faith in him remained so strong in spite of everything; she knew that if he could still speak to her he couldn't be completely hopeless.
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hopeless. As well as a sort of proof that he was Peter Pan. Just how many grown ups would be able to understand her?
* On a similar note: when Hook first shows up at Wendy's house, Nana the dog begins barking; Tootles, dozing in his chair, hears her and is able to translate her barks to the word "Hook" (the sound of the barks even morph into a human voice growling "HOOK!"). Tinkerbell says that you can remember Neverland in the place between being awake and being asleep; Tootles understands animal talk in that state because he knew it as a Lost Boy. \n** Old people also nap a ''lot''. It makes sense that Tootles is beginning to remember Neverland.
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Neverland. More fridge brilliance: senility in old age is often referred to as '''''second childhood'''''.



** Peter saw Wendy as his mother. In the book, when asked by Wendy to describe his exact feelings towards her, his reply is "those of devoted son".

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** * Peter saw Wendy as his mother. In the book, when asked by Wendy to describe his exact feelings towards her, his reply is "those of devoted son".



** Tootles is also the only one of the Lost Boys who returned to London with Peter and grew up. This is another reference to the original play, where Tootles ''did'' return to London and grew up to become a judge. (He's even referred to as Wendy's "first orphan" in the movie.)

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** * Tootles is also the only one of the Lost Boys who returned to London with Peter and grew up. This is another reference to the original play, where Tootles ''did'' return to London and grew up to become a judge. (He's even referred to as Wendy's "first orphan" in the movie.)



* One criticism of the film is the TotallyRadical Lost Boys playing basketball and skateboarding. However, it's evident from the clothing of the Boys that they come from a wide range of time periods. The twins are wearing Boy Scout uniforms from TheRoaringTwenties. Another Boy is wearing the uniform and insignia of a Union artilleryman from the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar. So there's absolutely no reason to believe that there may not have been a Lost Boy who arrived from TheEighties or TheNineties, and brought skateboarding and basketball with them.
** This might also explain why they made Rufio their new leader. The Lost Boys' existence ''revolves'' around playing games and fighting pirates; if a (slightly) older, tougher, streetwise boy showed up with great new games they'd never seen before, why ''wouldn't'' they make him their new leader?

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* One criticism of the film is the TotallyRadical Lost Boys playing basketball and skateboarding. However, it's evident from the clothing of the Boys that they come from a wide range of time periods. The twins are wearing Boy Scout uniforms from TheRoaringTwenties. Another Boy is wearing the uniform and insignia of a Union artilleryman from the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar. So there's absolutely no reason to believe that there may not have been a Lost Boy who arrived from TheEighties or TheNineties, and brought skateboarding and basketball with them.
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them. This might also explain why they made Rufio their new leader. The Lost Boys' existence ''revolves'' around playing games and fighting pirates; if a (slightly) older, tougher, streetwise boy showed up with great new games they'd never seen before, why ''wouldn't'' they make him their new leader?



** Yes.



** Given that her father, the real Peter Pan, now considers the real Wendy to be his ''grandmother'', the implications are just too strange and complex to really hit.



** Hopefully they won't see him as much of a threat since he's a really old man. And since they now know Peter is an adult, they might believe he's Tootles.
*** Thudbutt gave Peter the marbles; that would easily convince him -- and he's the new leader.



** It's a rule, not an exception. You don't become a Lost Boy when you come from a life of happiness and well adjusted parents.
* It's heavily implied that those who die in Neverland are forgotten. In fact, the Lost Boys (with the exception of Peter) seem to forget Rufio, their former leader, mere ''minutes'' after his death. During an earlier scene, Hook states, "I've killed far too many Lost Boys and Indians. I've spent most of my life killing them." How many Lost Boys do you think have been murdered over the years and aren't missed because they ''can't be remembered''?
** Or Indians, for that matter? True, we never meet any, but they're no less a community of living, breathing people than the Lost Boys.
** Worse, ''[[InferredHolocaust is]]'' [[InferredHolocaust there a community of Indians left]]?

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** It's a rule, not an exception. You don't become a Lost Boy when you come from a life of happiness and well adjusted parents.
* It's heavily implied that those who die in Neverland are forgotten. In fact, the Lost Boys (with the exception of Peter) seem to forget Rufio, their former leader, mere ''minutes'' after his death. During an earlier scene, Hook states, "I've killed far too many Lost Boys and Indians. I've spent most of my life killing them." How many Lost Boys do you think have been murdered over the years and aren't missed because they ''can't be remembered''?
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remembered''? Or Indians, for that matter? True, we never meet any, but they're no less a community of living, breathing people than the Lost Boys.
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Boys. Worse, ''[[InferredHolocaust is]]'' [[InferredHolocaust there a community of Indians left]]?



** Maybe they're in California?
** Peter calls it the Santa Series; the Umpire is wearing a Santa beard and everything. People are wearing coats and scarves, but clearly they live in a US state that doesn't get much snow.
** If you go to the scene where Peter is looking into Tink's house, then you'll notice that Tink has Peter Banning's driver's license. From freeze framing it at the right moment, you can read off that Peter has a San Francisco license.
** Also, when Peter finally arrives at the (long finished) baseball game, his car has a California license plate.



** It's mostly poetic. Also, he didn't so much runaway as the wind pushed his cart, as if granting his wish.
*** Wild guess: fairies were said to exchange human children with fairy children, known as "changelings". We can assume that before the story, Tinkerbell had exchanged that woman's real child with a changeling. He was never human to begin with, so he could do such things as fly and understand complex concepts. Only, the woman was so stupid, she never noticed something was wrong with "her" baby. When she prattled out how she had completely planned out "her son's" life, while being next to the creature she was talking about, the changeling was like ScrewThisImOuttaHere
* Peter's bronze sword is never explained in the movie. It's just a special TechnicolorBlade. However, the blade appears to be a Greek Xiphos from the bronze age. The sword must have been thousands of years old. Could the original Lost Boys, before even Peter, have been orphans from one the ancient world? Perhaps from Troy? That might explain why their leader is named after a Greek god.

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** It's mostly poetic. Also, he didn't so much runaway as the wind pushed his cart, as if granting his wish.
*** Wild guess: fairies were said to exchange human children with fairy children, known as "changelings". We can assume that before the story, Tinkerbell had exchanged that woman's real child with a changeling. He was never human to begin with, so he could do such things as fly and understand complex concepts. Only, the woman was so stupid, she never noticed something was wrong with "her" baby. When she prattled out how she had completely planned out "her son's" life, while being next to the creature she was talking about, the changeling was like ScrewThisImOuttaHere
* Peter's bronze sword is never explained in the movie. It's just a special TechnicolorBlade. However, the blade appears to be a Greek Xiphos from the bronze age. The sword must have been thousands of years old. Could the original Lost Boys, before even Peter, have been orphans from one the ancient world? Perhaps from Troy? That might explain why their leader is named after a Greek god.god.
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* On a similar note: when Hook first shows up at Wendy's house, Nana the dog begins barking; Tootles, who is napping, hears her and is able to translate her barks to "Hook" (the sound of the barks even morph into a human voice growling "HOOK!"). Tinkerbell says you can remember Neverland in the place between being awake and being asleep: Tootles understands animal language in that state because he understood it as a Lost Boy.

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* On a similar note: when Hook first shows up at Wendy's house, Nana the dog begins barking; Tootles, who is napping, dozing in his chair, hears her and is able to translate her barks to the word "Hook" (the sound of the barks even morph into a human voice growling "HOOK!"). Tinkerbell says that you can remember Neverland in the place between being awake and being asleep: asleep; Tootles understands animal language talk in that state because he understood knew it as a Lost Boy.



** Tootles is also the only one of the Lost Boys who returned to London with Peter and grew up. The original play, Tootles ''did'' return to London and grew up to become a judge. (He's even referred to as Wendy's "first orphan" in the movie.)

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** Tootles is also the only one of the Lost Boys who returned to London with Peter and grew up. The This is another reference to the original play, where Tootles ''did'' return to London and grew up to become a judge. (He's even referred to as Wendy's "first orphan" in the movie.)



* One criticism of the film is the TotallyRadical Lost Boys playing basketball and skateboarding. However, it's evident from the clothing of the Boys that they come from a wide range of time periods. The twins are wearing Boy Scout uniforms c. TheRoaringTwenties. Another Boy is wearing the uniform and insignia of a Union artilleryman from the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar. So there's absolutely no reason to believe that there may not have been a Lost Boy who arrived from TheEighties or TheNineties, and brought skateboarding and basketball with them.

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* One criticism of the film is the TotallyRadical Lost Boys playing basketball and skateboarding. However, it's evident from the clothing of the Boys that they come from a wide range of time periods. The twins are wearing Boy Scout uniforms c. from TheRoaringTwenties. Another Boy is wearing the uniform and insignia of a Union artilleryman from the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar. So there's absolutely no reason to believe that there may not have been a Lost Boy who arrived from TheEighties or TheNineties, and brought skateboarding and basketball with them.
** This might also explain why they made Rufio their new leader. The Lost Boys' existence ''revolves'' around playing games and fighting pirates; if a (slightly) older, tougher, streetwise boy showed up with great new games they'd never seen before, why ''wouldn't'' they make him their new leader?
* Rufio's costume is a perfect representation of his role in Neverland. His fringed clothing, boots, and feather-like Mohawk make him [[https://pin.it/7KAAd8z look]] vaguely like [[https://pin.it/1HwjOTI the illustration of Peter]] in Wendy's book, while also bringing to mind [[https://pin.it/5UBOaM4 Peter's original costume]] in the movie -- with just a little bit of punk sensibility. In essence, he's a darker, edgier, more modern take on Peter Pan.



*** Thudbutt gave Peter the marbles; that would easily convince him - and he's the new leader.

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*** Thudbutt gave Peter the marbles; that would easily convince him - -- and he's the new leader.
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* On a similar note: when Hook first shows up at Wendy's house, Nana the dog begins barking; Tootles, who is napping, hears her and is able to translate her barks to "Hook". Tinkerbell says you can remember Neverland in the place between being awake and being asleep: Tootles understands animal language in that state because he understood it as a Lost Boy.

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* On a similar note: when Hook first shows up at Wendy's house, Nana the dog begins barking; Tootles, who is napping, hears her and is able to translate her barks to "Hook"."Hook" (the sound of the barks even morph into a human voice growling "HOOK!"). Tinkerbell says you can remember Neverland in the place between being awake and being asleep: Tootles understands animal language in that state because he understood it as a Lost Boy.
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** Worse, [[InferredHolocaust is there a community of Indians left]]?

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** Worse, ''[[InferredHolocaust is]]'' [[InferredHolocaust is there a community of Indians left]]?
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* Peter's bronze sword is never explained in the movie. It's just a special TechnicolorBlade. However, the blade appears to be a Greek Xiphos from the bronze age. The sword must have been thousands of years old. Could the original Lost Boys, before even Peter, have been orphans from one the ancient world? Perhaps from Troy?

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* Peter's bronze sword is never explained in the movie. It's just a special TechnicolorBlade. However, the blade appears to be a Greek Xiphos from the bronze age. The sword must have been thousands of years old. Could the original Lost Boys, before even Peter, have been orphans from one the ancient world? Perhaps from Troy?Troy? That might explain why their leader is named after a Greek god.
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** It's a rule, not an exception. You don't become a Lost Boy when you come from a life of happiness and well adjusted parents.



** Worse, [[InferredHolocaust is there a community of Indians left]]?



*** Wild guess: fairies were said to exchange human children with fairy children, known as "changelings". We can assume that before the story, Tinkerbell had exchanged that woman's real child with a changeling. He was never human to begin with, so he could do such things as fly and understand complex concepts. Only, the woman was so stupid, she never noticed something was wrong with "her" baby. When she prattled out how she had completely planned out "her son's" life, while being next to the creature she was talking about, the changeling was like ScrewThisImOuttaHere

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*** Wild guess: fairies were said to exchange human children with fairy children, known as "changelings". We can assume that before the story, Tinkerbell had exchanged that woman's real child with a changeling. He was never human to begin with, so he could do such things as fly and understand complex concepts. Only, the woman was so stupid, she never noticed something was wrong with "her" baby. When she prattled out how she had completely planned out "her son's" life, while being next to the creature she was talking about, the changeling was like ScrewThisImOuttaHereScrewThisImOuttaHere
* Peter's bronze sword is never explained in the movie. It's just a special TechnicolorBlade. However, the blade appears to be a Greek Xiphos from the bronze age. The sword must have been thousands of years old. Could the original Lost Boys, before even Peter, have been orphans from one the ancient world? Perhaps from Troy?
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* One criticism of the film is the TotallyRadical Lost Boys playing basketball and skateboarding. However, it's evident from the clothing of the Boys that they come from a wide range of time periods. The twins are wearing Boy Scout uniforms c. TheRoaringTwenties. Another Boy is wearing the uniform and insignia of a Union artilleryman from the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar. So there's absolutely no reason to believe that there may not have been a Lost Boy who arrived from TheEighties or TheNineties, and brought skateboarding and basketball with them.
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This is factually incorrect. Even the police detective called in to investigate the children's kidnapping remarks on the literary history of Wendy and her family. So it's well-known that Wendy is the Wendy Darling. People just dismiss it as Barrie using their "made-up" stories for his book.


* Why would Peter not believe Granny Wendy was the real Wendy Darling at first? Because by the time he was adopted, Wendy already had a family of her own. So she would have married and had a different last name.
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** It's mostly poetic. Also, he didn't so much runaway as the wind pushed his cart, as if granting his wish.

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** It's mostly poetic. Also, he didn't so much runaway as the wind pushed his cart, as if granting his wish.wish.
*** Wild guess: fairies were said to exchange human children with fairy children, known as "changelings". We can assume that before the story, Tinkerbell had exchanged that woman's real child with a changeling. He was never human to begin with, so he could do such things as fly and understand complex concepts. Only, the woman was so stupid, she never noticed something was wrong with "her" baby. When she prattled out how she had completely planned out "her son's" life, while being next to the creature she was talking about, the changeling was like ScrewThisImOuttaHere
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** [[Franchise/StarWars The Force will be with them.]] Wrong franchise!
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** It's mostly poetic. Also, he didn't so much runaway as the wind pushed his cart, as if granting his wife to leave.

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** It's mostly poetic. Also, he didn't so much runaway as the wind pushed his cart, as if granting his wife to leave.wish.
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** [[Franchise/StarWars The Force will be with them.]]

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** [[Franchise/StarWars The Force will be with them.]]]] Wrong franchise!
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** It's mostly poetic.

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** It's mostly poetic. Also, he didn't so much runaway as the wind pushed his cart, as if granting his wife to leave.
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The show came out more than a decade after the movie.


** Knowing who the actor is would give you an [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender idea]].
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* Of a rather "squick" nature, imagine that there may be boys in Neverland who end up growing up anyway. What do you think happens to them? They probably become pirates (which would justify why there are so many of them even if the Lost Boys keep killing them). Now, Peter probably brought other girls after Wendy to Neverland (like in the books, where he brings his daughter). What would happen to those girls who do end up growing up? And there you have the origin story of the prostitutes that appear in the film.
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* Jack's drawing implies that he hopes his dad falls out of the plane with no parachute. The Drawing takes on a double meaning when he finds out his father is PeterPan.

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* Jack's drawing implies that he hopes his dad falls out of the plane with no parachute. The Drawing takes on a double meaning when he finds out his father is PeterPan. Peter Pan.
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** Knowing who the actor is would give you an [[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender idea]].
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more California evidence...

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** Also, when Peter finally arrives at the (long finished) baseball game, his car has a California license plate.
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**Peter saw Wendy as his mother. In the book, when asked by Wendy to describe his exact feelings towards her, his reply is "those of devoted son".

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* It's heavily implied that those who die in Neverland are forgotten. In fact, the Lost Boys (with the exception of Peter) seem to forget Rufio, their former leader, mere ''minutes'' after his death. During an earlier scene, Hook states, "I've killed far too many Lost Boys and Indians. I've spent most of my life killing them." How many Lost Boys do you think have been murdered over the years and aren't missed because they ''can't be remembered''?
** Or Indians, for that matter? True, we never meet any, but they're no less a community of living, breathing people than the Lost Boys.
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* Rufio's line that he wished he had a dad like Peter makes you wonder, what kind of life Rufio had before he met The Lost Boys? Especially the kind that gave him a rather cynical view towards adults.
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** More fridge brilliance: senility in old age is often referred to as '''''second childhood'''''.
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** [[Franchise/StarWars The Force will be with them.]]
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Not what Fridge Horror is. It's not "what if everything was different"


** FridgeHorror might set in when considering the following though: If the movie were set a decade or so later, then Wendy would be dead and Peter would be in the USA. Hook would have probably still gotten the kids, but Tink would never have found Peter...
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** FridgeHorror might set in when considering the following though: If the movie were set a decade or so later, then Wendy would be dead and Peter would be in the USA. Hook would have probably still gotten the kids, but Tink would never have found Peter...

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* As pointed out by the Nostalgia Critic, infant Peter "runs away" when he hears that his mother already has his life trajectory planned out, and remarks that it would mean he would have to grow up and eventually die. As an baby, how would he acknowledge and understand any of these concepts?

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* As pointed out by the Nostalgia Critic, infant Peter "runs away" when he hears that his mother already has his life trajectory planned out, and remarks that it would mean he would have to grow up and eventually die. As an a baby, how would he acknowledge and understand any of these concepts?concepts?
** It's mostly poetic.

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* Near the end of the film, we see Jack and Maggie fly back into the room, but with Peter, we see him asleep on the ground as if it was AllJustADream. It may be some age difference with people coming back from Neverland, and shows that Peter really has grown up.



* Near the end of the film, we see Jack and Maggie fly back into the room, but with Peter, we see him asleep on the ground as if it was AllJustADream. It may be some age difference with people coming back from Neverland, and shows that Peter really has grown up.
* At the start of the film, Jack is playing a Little League game, despite it clearly being Winter. What?

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* Near the end of the film, we see Jack and Maggie fly back into the room, but with Peter, we see him asleep on the ground as if it was AllJustADream. It may be some age difference with people coming back from Neverland, and shows that Peter really has grown up.
* At the start of the film, Jack is playing a Little League game, despite it clearly being Winter. What?
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** If you go to the scene where Peter is looking into Tink's house, then you'll notice that Tink has Peter Banning's driver's license. From freeze framing it at the right moment, you can read off that Peter has a San Francisco license.

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** If you go to the scene where Peter is looking into Tink's house, then you'll notice that Tink has Peter Banning's driver's license. From freeze framing it at the right moment, you can read off that Peter has a San Francisco license.license.
* As pointed out by the Nostalgia Critic, infant Peter "runs away" when he hears that his mother already has his life trajectory planned out, and remarks that it would mean he would have to grow up and eventually die. As an baby, how would he acknowledge and understand any of these concepts?
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* The few Lost Boys who believed its Peter, they're SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitutes of the original Lost Boys.

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