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* At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again. Considering the sheer amount of damage the 4th Generation Gundams are capable of inflicting (compared to what the units in seasons 1 and 2 could do, which was already quite large as is), that we're shown, it's probably in everyone's best interest not to incite anything.

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* At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again. Considering the sheer amount of damage the 4th 5th Generation Gundams are capable of inflicting (compared to what the units in seasons 1 and 2 could do, which was already quite large as is), that we're shown, it's probably in everyone's best interest not to incite anything.
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* The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe Gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. Until Ribbons ruined everything, that is.
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** One of the side-stories makes reference to an anti-Innovator and anti-ELS war that happens sometime after the movie. Celestial Being ends up intervening in that too, as in one such altercation during the war, an earth-operation variant of the Raphael Gundam, Dominions, showed up and proceeded to vaporize both sides by itself.

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** One of the side-stories makes reference to an anti-Innovator and anti-ELS war that happens sometime after the movie. Celestial Being ends up intervening in that too, as in one such altercation during the war, an earth-operation variant of the Raphael Gundam, Dominions, showed up and proceeded to vaporize both one of the sides (The Old Human faction) by itself.itself, from hundreds of miles away. It's very likely this conflict did not last very long.
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* At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.

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* At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again. Considering the sheer amount of damage the 4th Generation Gundams are capable of inflicting (compared to what the units in seasons 1 and 2 could do, which was already quite large as is), that we're shown, it's probably in everyone's best interest not to incite anything.



** One of the side-stories makes reference to an anti-Innovator and anti-ELS war that happens sometime after the movie.

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** One of the side-stories makes reference to an anti-Innovator and anti-ELS war that happens sometime after the movie. Celestial Being ends up intervening in that too, as in one such altercation during the war, an earth-operation variant of the Raphael Gundam, Dominions, showed up and proceeded to vaporize both sides by itself.
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* At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.

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* At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[MobileSuitGundamSEED ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.



** One of the sidestories makes reference to an anti-Innovator and anti-ELS war that happens sometime after the movie.

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** One of the sidestories side-stories makes reference to an anti-Innovator and anti-ELS war that happens sometime after the movie.



* One thing that I noticed where that the ELS are clearly shown to have regenerative abilities yet when Setsuna blew up ELS-Not-Ribbons it crumbled. Then it hit me that in order to function, the ELS need a certain amount of mass and if the mass falls below a certain threshhold in a single ELS, then it is unable to maintain integrity and effectivly dies.

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* One thing that I noticed where that the ELS are clearly shown to have regenerative abilities yet when Setsuna blew up ELS-Not-Ribbons it crumbled. Then it hit me that in order to function, the ELS need a certain amount of mass and if the mass falls below a certain threshhold threshold in a single ELS, then it is unable to maintain integrity and effectivly dies.effectively die.
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* The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe Gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. Until Ribbons ruined everything, that is.

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* The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe Gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. Until Ribbons ruined everything, that is.is.
* One thing that I noticed where that the ELS are clearly shown to have regenerative abilities yet when Setsuna blew up ELS-Not-Ribbons it crumbled. Then it hit me that in order to function, the ELS need a certain amount of mass and if the mass falls below a certain threshhold in a single ELS, then it is unable to maintain integrity and effectivly dies.
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* The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe Gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. That is until Ribbons ruined everything that is.

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* The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe Gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. That is until Until Ribbons ruined everything everything, that is.
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*** FridgeHorror on that: [[spoiler:Whatever happened to Sumeragi, Lockon II/Lyle, Allelujah/Hallelujah, Soma/Marie, the Vashtis, Lasse, Feldt, Kati, Patrick, etc., after 50 years? Simple, they could have died in that conflict.]]

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*** FridgeHorror on that: [[spoiler:Whatever happened to Sumeragi, Lockon II/Lyle, Allelujah/Hallelujah, Soma/Marie, the Vashtis, Lasse, Feldt, Kati, Patrick, etc.et al., after 50 years? Simple, they could have died in that conflict.]]
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*** FridgeHorror on that: [[spoiler:Whatever happened to Sumeragi, Lockon II/Lyle, Allelujah/Hallelujah, Soma/Marie, the Vashtis, Lasse, Feldt, Kati, Patrick, etc., after 50 years? Simple, they could have died in that conflict.]]
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** One of the sidestories makes reference to an anti-Innovator and anti-ELS war that happens sometime after the movie.
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** It's also explained at the start that after the crimes of the A-LAWS became public, it caused a huge backlash against military buildup in global scale, making everybody equally afraid of the possibility of war. This probably played a large part in avoiding large scale conflict, and the ELS ended up unifying mankind even further.

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* FridgeBrilliance: Descartes Shaman seems like a gratuitous philosophical [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous name drop]], until you realize that the philosopher Descartes is the creator of the idea that a person can to only truly know their own mind, which is the origin of Solipsism. The series' setting, however, provides a way to get around the trappings of Solipsist thought: [[MinovskyPhysics GN Particles]] and quantum brainwaves, which allow people to [[{{Telepathy}} connect their minds]] and experience another view point, confirming the existence of minds outside one's own. It is fitting that the only time Descartes, who for much of the movie had viewed humans as beneath him, shows consideration for someone other than himself is after Setsuna contacts him via their quantum brainwaves.
** The movie within a movie adaptation that dramatizes the work of Celestial Being is also an example when you think about it. In this dramatization, Alejandro Corner is made the main villain and the leader of the A-Laws, even though he was killed at the end of the first season, before the A-Laws even existed. This might make no sense except when you realize that making any reference in the movie to Innovator or the Innovades (the actual villains), would lead to a public backlash against the Innovades, which would cause problems since the ESF is making use of the re-purposed ones (although their existence may be secret anyway). It would also probably lead to a backlash against the emerging Innovator population since people would probably have a hard time discerning between Innovator (the organization) and Innovators (the stage of human development). Alejandro then makes the perfect fall guy for the evils committed by the A-Laws.
** At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.
*** It is also not completely forgotten, being brought up near the beginning when the ELS start targeting the burgeoning Innovators.
** The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe Gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. That is until Ribbons ruined everything that is.

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Shaman seems like a gratuitous philosophical [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous name drop]], until you realize that the philosopher Descartes is the creator of the idea that a person can to only truly know their own mind, which is the origin of Solipsism. The series' setting, however, provides a way to get around the trappings of Solipsist thought: [[MinovskyPhysics GN Particles]] and quantum brainwaves, which allow people to [[{{Telepathy}} connect their minds]] and experience another view point, confirming the existence of minds outside one's own. It is fitting that the only time Descartes, who for much of the movie had viewed humans as beneath him, shows consideration for someone other than himself is after Setsuna contacts him via their quantum brainwaves.
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The movie within a movie adaptation that dramatizes the work of Celestial Being is also an example when you think about it. In this dramatization, Alejandro Corner is made the main villain and the leader of the A-Laws, even though he was killed at the end of the first season, before the A-Laws even existed. This might make no sense except when you realize that making any reference in the movie to Innovator or the Innovades (the actual villains), would lead to a public backlash against the Innovades, which would cause problems since the ESF is making use of the re-purposed ones (although their existence may be secret anyway). It would also probably lead to a backlash against the emerging Innovator population since people would probably have a hard time discerning between Innovator (the organization) and Innovators (the stage of human development). Alejandro then makes the perfect fall guy for the evils committed by the A-Laws.
** * At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.
*** ** It is also not completely forgotten, being brought up near the beginning when the ELS start targeting the burgeoning Innovators.
** * The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe Gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. That is until Ribbons ruined everything that is.
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*** It is also not completely forgotten, being brought up near the beginning when the ELS start targeting the burgeoning Innovators.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Descartes Shaman seems like a gratuitous philosophical [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous name drop]], until you realize that the philosopher Descartes is the creator of the idea that a person can to only truly know their own mind, which is the origin of Solipsism. The series' setting, however, provides a way to get around the trappings of Solipsist thought: [[MinovskyParticle GN Particles]] and quantum brainwaves, which allow people to [[{{Telepathy}} connect their minds]] and experience another view point, confirming the existence of minds outside one's own. It is fitting that the only time Descartes, who for much of the movie had viewed humans as beneath him, shows consideration for someone other than himself is after Setsuna contacts him via their quantum brainwaves.

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* FridgeBrilliance: Descartes Shaman seems like a gratuitous philosophical [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous name drop]], until you realize that the philosopher Descartes is the creator of the idea that a person can to only truly know their own mind, which is the origin of Solipsism. The series' setting, however, provides a way to get around the trappings of Solipsist thought: [[MinovskyParticle [[MinovskyPhysics GN Particles]] and quantum brainwaves, which allow people to [[{{Telepathy}} connect their minds]] and experience another view point, confirming the existence of minds outside one's own. It is fitting that the only time Descartes, who for much of the movie had viewed humans as beneath him, shows consideration for someone other than himself is after Setsuna contacts him via their quantum brainwaves.
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* The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. That is until Ribbons ruined everything that is.

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* ** The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe gundams Gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. That is until Ribbons ruined everything that is.
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* The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. That is until Ribbons ruined everything that is.
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* The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. That is until Ribbons ruined everything that is.
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* The ELS sparked fridge brilliance within the timeline, an explanation to some of the alternative universe gundams (Namely the Phoenix and it's research ability to reverse engineer everything). The ELS are responsible for the creation of the database within Phoenix. That is until Ribbons ruined everything that is.
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** At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.

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** At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''[[MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.again.
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** The movie within a movie adaptation that dramatizes the work of Celestial Being is also an example when you think about it. In this dramatization, Alejandro Corner is made the main villain and the leader of the A-Laws, even though he was killed at the end of the first season, before the A-Laws even existed. This might make no sense except when you realize that making any reference in the movie to Innovator or the Innovades (the actual villains), would lead to a public backlash against the Innovades, which would cause problems since the ESF is making use of the repurposed ones (although their existence may be secret anyway). It would also probably lead to a backlash against the emerging Innovator population since people would probably have a hard time discerning between Innovator (the organization) and Innovators (the stage of human development). Alejandro then makes the perfect fall guy for the evils committed by the A-Laws.
** At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''GundamSEED''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.

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** The movie within a movie adaptation that dramatizes the work of Celestial Being is also an example when you think about it. In this dramatization, Alejandro Corner is made the main villain and the leader of the A-Laws, even though he was killed at the end of the first season, before the A-Laws even existed. This might make no sense except when you realize that making any reference in the movie to Innovator or the Innovades (the actual villains), would lead to a public backlash against the Innovades, which would cause problems since the ESF is making use of the repurposed re-purposed ones (although their existence may be secret anyway). It would also probably lead to a backlash against the emerging Innovator population since people would probably have a hard time discerning between Innovator (the organization) and Innovators (the stage of human development). Alejandro then makes the perfect fall guy for the evils committed by the A-Laws.
** At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''GundamSEED''.''[[MobileSuitGundamSEED Gundam SEED]]''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.
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** At first glance, the film appears to forget the fact that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''GundamSEED''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.

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** At first glance, the film appears to forget or ignore the fact very real possibility that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''GundamSEED''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.
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* At first glance, the film appears to forget the fact that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to fearsome conflict, similar to the Coordinators and Naturals in ''GundamSEED''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.

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* ** At first glance, the film appears to forget the fact that the increase in the numbers of Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to fearsome a world-shattering conflict, similar to the one between Coordinators and Naturals in ''GundamSEED''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.
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* At first glance, the film appears to forget the fact that the increase in the numbers of innovators and public knowledge would likely lead to fearsome conflict, similar to the Co-ordinators and the Naturals in GundamSEED. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.

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* At first glance, the film appears to forget the fact that the increase in the numbers of innovators Innovators and public knowledge of Innovades would likely lead to fearsome conflict, similar to the Co-ordinators Coordinators and the Naturals in GundamSEED. ''GundamSEED''. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large scale large-scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.
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** The movie within a movie adaptation that dramatizes the work of Celestial Being is also an example when you think about it. In this dramatization, Alejandro Corner is made the main villain and the leader of the A-Laws, even though he was killed at the end of the first season, before the A-Laws even existed. This might make no sense except when you realize that making any reference in the movie to Innovator or the Innovades (the actual villains), would lead to a public backlash against the Innovades, which would cause problems since the ESF is making use of the repurposed ones (although their existence may be secret anyway). It would also probably lead to a backlash against the emerging Innovator population since people would probably have a hard time discerning between Innovator (the organization) and Innovators (the stage of human development). Alejandro then makes the perfect fall guy for the evils committed by the A-Laws.

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** The movie within a movie adaptation that dramatizes the work of Celestial Being is also an example when you think about it. In this dramatization, Alejandro Corner is made the main villain and the leader of the A-Laws, even though he was killed at the end of the first season, before the A-Laws even existed. This might make no sense except when you realize that making any reference in the movie to Innovator or the Innovades (the actual villains), would lead to a public backlash against the Innovades, which would cause problems since the ESF is making use of the repurposed ones (although their existence may be secret anyway). It would also probably lead to a backlash against the emerging Innovator population since people would probably have a hard time discerning between Innovator (the organization) and Innovators (the stage of human development). Alejandro then makes the perfect fall guy for the evils committed by the A-Laws.A-Laws.
*At first glance, the film appears to forget the fact that the increase in the numbers of innovators and public knowledge would likely lead to fearsome conflict, similar to the Co-ordinators and the Naturals in GundamSEED. However, it makes sense in the 00 universe, where there would be the very real fear that any sort of large scale conflict would cause Celestial Being to begin their armed interventions again.

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