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18th Nov '17 4:33:54 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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* Why did Rin summon Archer despite doing her best to summon Saber? Why did she summon THIS Archer in particular? Coincidence? No. When you think about it, Rin was effectively incapable of summoning any Heroic Spirit ''other'' than this Archer. A mage trying to become a Master can use a catalyst, an item connected with a Heroic Spirit during their life, as a focus to improve their odds of summoning that specific hero. Rin thought she didn't have a catalyst because she didn't have a specific spirit in mind. [[spoiler:However, she actually ''did,'' although she didn't realise it: the mana-infused gem pendant she would later expend to save Shirou's life after he got caught in the duel between Archer and Lancer and leave with his unconscious body. He kept and treasured it, presumably even after he grew up and became a Hero. So the same way that Heroic Spirit Emiya could be summoned backwards in time to an era before he became a Hero, this pendant counted as a catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya even before it would become his possession in the first place.]]

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* Why did Rin summon Archer despite doing her best to summon Saber? Why did she summon THIS Archer in particular? Coincidence? No. When you think about it, Rin was effectively incapable of summoning any Heroic Spirit ''other'' than this Archer. A mage trying to become a Master can use a catalyst, an item connected with a Heroic Spirit during their life, as a focus to improve their odds of summoning that specific hero. Rin thought she didn't have a catalyst because she didn't have a specific spirit in mind. [[spoiler:However, she actually ''did,'' although she didn't realise it: the mana-infused gem pendant she would later expend to save Shirou's life after he got caught in the duel between Archer and Lancer and leave with his unconscious body. He kept and treasured it, presumably even after he grew up and became a Hero.Hero; he even gives it back to Rin himself in Unlimited Blade Works. So the same way that Heroic Spirit Emiya could be summoned backwards in time to an era before he became a Hero, this pendant counted as a catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya even before it would become his possession in the first place.]]
18th Nov '17 4:11:59 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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* Why did Rin summon Archer despite doing her best to summon Saber? Why did she summon THIS Archer in particular? Coincidence? No. When you think about it, Rin was effectively incapable of summoning any Heroic Spirit ''other'' than this Archer. A mage trying to become a Master can use a catalyst, an item connected with a Heroic Spirit during their life, as a focus to improve their odds of summoning that specific hero. Rin thought she didn't have a catalyst because she didn't have a specific spirit in mind. [[spoiler:However, she actually ''did,'' although she didn't realise it: the mana-infused gem pendant she would later expend to save Shirou's life after he got caught in the duel between Archer and Lancer and leave with his unconscious body. He kept and treasured it, presumably even after he grew up and became a Hero. So the same way that Heroic Spirit Emiya could be summoned backwards in time to an era before he became a Hero, this pendant counted as a catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya even before it would become his possession in the first place.]]
** There's even another possibility: [[spoiler:the route where Archer is the central character, Unlimited Blade Works, is the Shirou/Rin route, so it's a pretty decent bet that Heroic Spirit Emiya is the Emiya Shirou who was once the lover of Tohsaka Rin in life. Rin ''herself'' is a living catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya, even before they become lovers, even in timelines where they don't.]]
24th Aug '17 2:47:41 AM Devus
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\n* In the Fate route, during the confrontation against Gilgamesh on day 14, he drops three subtle hints about the identity of his Master, [[spoiler:Kirei Kotomine.]]
** He reveals that he is aware of Saber's condition, namely her [[spoiler:not being a complete Servant]], in order to taunt her. The only one apart from the main heroes to know that is [[spoiler:Kotomine, as Shirou consulted him specifically about that the night before.]]
** He calls the Holy Grail [[spoiler:an 'omnipotent vessel']]. The exact words used by [[spoiler:Kotomine, once again the night before, during his recounting of the beginnings of the Holy Grail War.]]
** Most strikingly, he utters [[spoiler:"Rejoice!"]] to Saber. While that is far from being [[spoiler:Kotomine's]] [[CatchPhrase catchphrase]], it nevertheless is something he said previously in a rather [[MemeticMutation memorable]] scene.

14th Jul '17 1:13:09 PM TropeRoper
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* Gilgamesh’s best friend Enkidu becomes Gilgamesh’s Noble Phantasm weapon: a set of chains. This doesn’t sound right, unless you know their mythology: Enkidu was a bestial man who was domesticated by civilization. A chain, or a leash, would be the best fit for such a character.
** Enkidu additionally has the ability to shapeshift. He was created from mud and water in the original myth.

24th May '17 9:32:57 AM HighCrate
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* On the same token, Berserker summoned as Assassin. Think about it: ''Herakles'' with the ability to hide and sneak up on anyone. Assassin is usually balanced because he's the weakest Servant, but with the WorldsStrongestMan... And that's probably why normally Assassin can only be one of the Hassans: [[GenreSavvy the creators didn't want something like this to happen]].

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* On the same token, Berserker summoned as Assassin. Think about it: ''Herakles'' with the ability to hide and sneak up on anyone. Assassin is usually balanced because he's the weakest Servant, but with the WorldsStrongestMan... And that's probably why normally Assassin can only be one of the Hassans: [[GenreSavvy Hassans: the creators didn't want something like this to happen]].happen.
6th May '17 4:25:52 AM akanesarumara
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** To elaborate, yes, Shinji dies like the scum he is in both other routes, but there is no indication about Zouken, which means that ''he'' is perfectly well and alive after those routes, free to continue what he has always done.
12th Mar '17 10:41:07 AM akanesarumara
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** [[spoiler: Adding to that, Pegasus was specifically her son by Poseidon, and the name of the attack, Bellerophon, shares its name with another son of Poseidon's, the one famous for being Pegasus's rider.]]
20th Feb '17 6:26:18 AM Hyperversum
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* When you learn [[spoiler: Archer's identity]], it seems strange that [[spoiler: he's 20cm taller than Shirou.]] But think back. [[spoiler: During the end the 4th Holy Grail War, Kirei was smaller than in 5th.]] A grown up man took 10cm after his 30s at random? No, the intense usage of magic stimulates the body. And another effect is modifying the skin of the user. [[spoiler:this is how Archer turned SO tanned. He abused magecraft.]] * In the beginning of the war, Rin claims that Saber is the strongest class and the Holy Grail is as good as hers if she summons a heroic spirit in that class. Given that in all 3 routes, a Master of Saber has in some way won the war, she is not kidding:

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* When you learn [[spoiler: Archer's identity]], it seems strange that [[spoiler: he's 20cm taller than Shirou.]] But think back. [[spoiler: During the end the 4th Holy Grail War, Kirei was smaller than in 5th.]] A grown up man took 10cm after his 30s at random? No, the intense usage of magic stimulates the body. And another effect is modifying the skin of the user. [[spoiler:this is how Archer turned SO tanned. He abused magecraft.]] ]]
* In the beginning of the war, Rin claims that Saber is the strongest class and the Holy Grail is as good as hers if she summons a heroic spirit in that class. Given that in all 3 routes, a Master of Saber has in some way won the war, she is not kidding:
20th Feb '17 6:25:42 AM Hyperversum
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* When you learn [[spoiler: Archer's identity]], it seems strange that [[spoiler: he's 20cm taller than Shirou.]] But think back. [[spoiler: During the end the 4th Holy Grail War, Kirei was smaller than in 5th.]] A grown up man took 10cm after his 30s at random? No, the intense usage of magic stimulates the body. And another effect is modifying the skin of the user. [[this is how Archer turned SO tanned. He abused magecraft.]] * In the beginning of the war, Rin claims that Saber is the strongest class and the Holy Grail is as good as hers if she summons a heroic spirit in that class. Given that in all 3 routes, a Master of Saber has in some way won the war, she is not kidding:

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* When you learn [[spoiler: Archer's identity]], it seems strange that [[spoiler: he's 20cm taller than Shirou.]] But think back. [[spoiler: During the end the 4th Holy Grail War, Kirei was smaller than in 5th.]] A grown up man took 10cm after his 30s at random? No, the intense usage of magic stimulates the body. And another effect is modifying the skin of the user. [[this [[spoiler:this is how Archer turned SO tanned. He abused magecraft.]] * In the beginning of the war, Rin claims that Saber is the strongest class and the Holy Grail is as good as hers if she summons a heroic spirit in that class. Given that in all 3 routes, a Master of Saber has in some way won the war, she is not kidding:
20th Feb '17 6:24:32 AM Hyperversum
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* When you learn [[spoiler: Archer's identity]], it seems strange that [[spoiler: he's 20cm taller than Shirou.]] But think back. [[spoiler: At the end of the 4th Holy Grail War, Kiritsugu implanted Avalon in Shirou's body, using up the final remnants of its healing powers to save him.]] What other effect did [[spoiler: Avalon]] have than [[spoiler: healing?]] [[spoiler: Keeping its owner eternally young! It's possible that Shirou being healed by Avalon also made him age slower!]]
* In the beginning of the war, Rin claims that Saber is the strongest class and the Holy Grail is as good as hers if she summons a heroic spirit in that class. Given that in all 3 routes, a Master of Saber has in some way won the war, she is not kidding:

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* When you learn [[spoiler: Archer's identity]], it seems strange that [[spoiler: he's 20cm taller than Shirou.]] But think back. [[spoiler: At During the end of the 4th Holy Grail War, Kiritsugu implanted Avalon Kirei was smaller than in Shirou's body, using 5th.]] A grown up man took 10cm after his 30s at random? No, the final remnants intense usage of its healing powers to save him.]] What other magic stimulates the body. And another effect did [[spoiler: Avalon]] have than [[spoiler: healing?]] [[spoiler: Keeping its owner eternally young! It's possible that Shirou being healed by Avalon also made him age slower!]]
is modifying the skin of the user. [[this is how Archer turned SO tanned. He abused magecraft.]] * In the beginning of the war, Rin claims that Saber is the strongest class and the Holy Grail is as good as hers if she summons a heroic spirit in that class. Given that in all 3 routes, a Master of Saber has in some way won the war, she is not kidding:
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