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21st Apr '18 1:23:04 AM SZJX
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** However, since one condition for the "true end" of the Heavens Feel route is to have the relation level with Illya at 4, it's also possible that Illya simply didn't go there in the normal end.



** [[spoiler: However, another explanation is that Saber is simply consumed by Sakura in that route, just like the other servants. And since she's not a real Heroic Spirit, her "real self" is gone at that point and will never be summoned again in the future. Instead, she provides mana to Shiro as a part of Sakura, which is not that bad.]]




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** However, the other two routes are more open-ended as of what the future holds. Even though Zouken and [[spoiler: the great holy grail]] are not dealt with up until the ends, this doesn't preclude the possibility that they will be handled in the future developments of those routes.
25th Feb '18 11:31:39 AM Andrzej
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* Why did Rin summon Archer despite doing her best to summon Saber? Why did she summon THIS Archer in particular? Coincidence? No. When you think about it, Rin was effectively incapable of summoning any Heroic Spirit ''other'' than this Archer. A mage trying to become a Master can use a catalyst, an item connected with a Heroic Spirit during their life, as a focus to improve their odds of summoning that specific hero. Rin thought she didn't have a catalyst because she didn't have a specific spirit in mind. [[spoiler:However, she actually ''did,'' although she didn't realise it: the mana-infused gem pendant she would later expend to save Shirou's life after he got caught in the duel between Archer and Lancer and leave with his unconscious body. He kept and treasured it, even after he grew up and became a Hero; he even gives it back to Rin himself in Unlimited Blade Works. So the same way that Heroic Spirit Emiya could be summoned backwards in time to an era before he became a Hero, this pendant counted as a catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya even before it would become his possession in the first place.]]

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* Why did Rin summon Archer despite doing her best to summon Saber? Why did she summon THIS Archer in particular? Coincidence? No. When you think about it, Rin was became effectively incapable of summoning any Heroic Spirit ''other'' than this Archer. Archer the moment she decided to not use a catalyst in the ritual.\\
A mage trying to become a Master can use a catalyst, an item connected with a Heroic Spirit during their life, as a focus to improve their odds of summoning that specific hero. Rin thought she didn't have a catalyst because she didn't have a specific spirit in mind. [[spoiler:However, she actually ''did,'' although she didn't realise it: the mana-infused gem pendant she would later expend to save Shirou's life after he got caught in the duel between Archer and Lancer and leave with his unconscious body. He kept and treasured it, even after he grew up and became a Hero; he even gives it back to Rin himself in Unlimited Blade Works. So the same way that Heroic Spirit Emiya could be summoned backwards in time to an era before he became a Hero, this pendant counted as a catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya even before it would become his possession in the first place.]]


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** The latter point is at least partially incorrect. [[spoiler:The Visual Novel explicitly states that it was Archer who had a catalyst/connection to Rin -- the pendant -- instead of the other way around. Rin herself wasn't a catalyst.]]
24th Feb '18 6:48:38 PM nombretomado
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18th Nov '17 4:33:54 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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* Why did Rin summon Archer despite doing her best to summon Saber? Why did she summon THIS Archer in particular? Coincidence? No. When you think about it, Rin was effectively incapable of summoning any Heroic Spirit ''other'' than this Archer. A mage trying to become a Master can use a catalyst, an item connected with a Heroic Spirit during their life, as a focus to improve their odds of summoning that specific hero. Rin thought she didn't have a catalyst because she didn't have a specific spirit in mind. [[spoiler:However, she actually ''did,'' although she didn't realise it: the mana-infused gem pendant she would later expend to save Shirou's life after he got caught in the duel between Archer and Lancer and leave with his unconscious body. He kept and treasured it, presumably even after he grew up and became a Hero. So the same way that Heroic Spirit Emiya could be summoned backwards in time to an era before he became a Hero, this pendant counted as a catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya even before it would become his possession in the first place.]]

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* Why did Rin summon Archer despite doing her best to summon Saber? Why did she summon THIS Archer in particular? Coincidence? No. When you think about it, Rin was effectively incapable of summoning any Heroic Spirit ''other'' than this Archer. A mage trying to become a Master can use a catalyst, an item connected with a Heroic Spirit during their life, as a focus to improve their odds of summoning that specific hero. Rin thought she didn't have a catalyst because she didn't have a specific spirit in mind. [[spoiler:However, she actually ''did,'' although she didn't realise it: the mana-infused gem pendant she would later expend to save Shirou's life after he got caught in the duel between Archer and Lancer and leave with his unconscious body. He kept and treasured it, presumably even after he grew up and became a Hero.Hero; he even gives it back to Rin himself in Unlimited Blade Works. So the same way that Heroic Spirit Emiya could be summoned backwards in time to an era before he became a Hero, this pendant counted as a catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya even before it would become his possession in the first place.]]
18th Nov '17 4:11:59 AM ArcaneAzmadi
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* Why did Rin summon Archer despite doing her best to summon Saber? Why did she summon THIS Archer in particular? Coincidence? No. When you think about it, Rin was effectively incapable of summoning any Heroic Spirit ''other'' than this Archer. A mage trying to become a Master can use a catalyst, an item connected with a Heroic Spirit during their life, as a focus to improve their odds of summoning that specific hero. Rin thought she didn't have a catalyst because she didn't have a specific spirit in mind. [[spoiler:However, she actually ''did,'' although she didn't realise it: the mana-infused gem pendant she would later expend to save Shirou's life after he got caught in the duel between Archer and Lancer and leave with his unconscious body. He kept and treasured it, presumably even after he grew up and became a Hero. So the same way that Heroic Spirit Emiya could be summoned backwards in time to an era before he became a Hero, this pendant counted as a catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya even before it would become his possession in the first place.]]
** There's even another possibility: [[spoiler:the route where Archer is the central character, Unlimited Blade Works, is the Shirou/Rin route, so it's a pretty decent bet that Heroic Spirit Emiya is the Emiya Shirou who was once the lover of Tohsaka Rin in life. Rin ''herself'' is a living catalyst for the summoning of Heroic Spirit Emiya, even before they become lovers, even in timelines where they don't.]]
24th Aug '17 2:47:41 AM Devus
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\n* In the Fate route, during the confrontation against Gilgamesh on day 14, he drops three subtle hints about the identity of his Master, [[spoiler:Kirei Kotomine.]]
** He reveals that he is aware of Saber's condition, namely her [[spoiler:not being a complete Servant]], in order to taunt her. The only one apart from the main heroes to know that is [[spoiler:Kotomine, as Shirou consulted him specifically about that the night before.]]
** He calls the Holy Grail [[spoiler:an 'omnipotent vessel']]. The exact words used by [[spoiler:Kotomine, once again the night before, during his recounting of the beginnings of the Holy Grail War.]]
** Most strikingly, he utters [[spoiler:"Rejoice!"]] to Saber. While that is far from being [[spoiler:Kotomine's]] [[CatchPhrase catchphrase]], it nevertheless is something he said previously in a rather [[MemeticMutation memorable]] scene.

14th Jul '17 1:13:09 PM TropeRoper
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* Gilgamesh’s best friend Enkidu becomes Gilgamesh’s Noble Phantasm weapon: a set of chains. This doesn’t sound right, unless you know their mythology: Enkidu was a bestial man who was domesticated by civilization. A chain, or a leash, would be the best fit for such a character.
** Enkidu additionally has the ability to shapeshift. He was created from mud and water in the original myth.

24th May '17 9:32:57 AM HighCrate
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* On the same token, Berserker summoned as Assassin. Think about it: ''Herakles'' with the ability to hide and sneak up on anyone. Assassin is usually balanced because he's the weakest Servant, but with the WorldsStrongestMan... And that's probably why normally Assassin can only be one of the Hassans: [[GenreSavvy the creators didn't want something like this to happen]].

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* On the same token, Berserker summoned as Assassin. Think about it: ''Herakles'' with the ability to hide and sneak up on anyone. Assassin is usually balanced because he's the weakest Servant, but with the WorldsStrongestMan... And that's probably why normally Assassin can only be one of the Hassans: [[GenreSavvy Hassans: the creators didn't want something like this to happen]].happen.
6th May '17 4:25:52 AM akanesarumara
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** To elaborate, yes, Shinji dies like the scum he is in both other routes, but there is no indication about Zouken, which means that ''he'' is perfectly well and alive after those routes, free to continue what he has always done.
12th Mar '17 10:41:07 AM akanesarumara
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** [[spoiler: Adding to that, Pegasus was specifically her son by Poseidon, and the name of the attack, Bellerophon, shares its name with another son of Poseidon's, the one famous for being Pegasus's rider.]]
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