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* Creator/FredRogers had his consciousness butchered and downloaded into a Cyberman.
* Given the show's tendency for DoingInTheWizard, it's very much possible Jesus and the saints "ascending" to Heaven was actually them being downloaded to the Nethersphere. Same with Buddha "achieving" nirvana.
* Given the show's tendency for DoingInTheWizard, it's very much possible Jesus and the saints "ascending" to Heaven was actually them being downloaded to the Nethersphere. Same with Buddha "achieving" nirvana.
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* Missy's underlying agenda of wanting her friend back makes more sense when you consider that she's most likely the result of Rassilon having killed the Simm-Master in the final instants before Gallifrey was locked away again in "The End Of Time". The Simm-Master's very last experience, that imprinted its influence on Missy's personality, was siding ''with the Doctor'' against the High Council that had screwed up his mind since childhood. Nor did it escape Missy's attention that the Doctor himself had just been through a BatmanGrabsAGun moment, when last they met, so the idea that he might be ready to grab an ''army'' wasn't entirely far-fetched, especially if she doesn't know about the Metacrisis and assumes Twelve's one regeneration short of producing the Valeyard.
* Keeping with Series 8's soft reboot to introduce more Classic Who elements, Missy is in line with Classic Master's characterization: a camp villain whenever (s)he feels like it, and despite their insistence on killing the Doctor, (s)he's more willing to team up with him. The Master has previously offered the Doctor the ability to ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E4ColonyInSpace rule the universe]]'' (which he politely declined, since he enjoys having adventures as a nobody rather than ruling over everybody), teamed up with him to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis stop his accidental destruction of part of the universe]] (And then grabbed onto the VillainBall for dear life to [[TheNthDoctor provide an out]] for Creator/TomBaker), and [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors tried to save Five Doctors]] from an even eviller Time Lord, implying that while he may enjoy doing evil things, [[EvenEvilHasStandards actually killing the Doctor is NOT one of them]].
* The appearance of the Cyberman-Brigadier isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had Lethbridge-Stewart seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as the Brigadier to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones. Makes sense, as [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked with them.
* Keeping with Series 8's soft reboot to introduce more Classic Who elements, Missy is in line with Classic Master's characterization: a camp villain whenever (s)he feels like it, and despite their insistence on killing the Doctor, (s)he's more willing to team up with him. The Master has previously offered the Doctor the ability to ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E4ColonyInSpace rule the universe]]'' (which he politely declined, since he enjoys having adventures as a nobody rather than ruling over everybody), teamed up with him to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis stop his accidental destruction of part of the universe]] (And then grabbed onto the VillainBall for dear life to [[TheNthDoctor provide an out]] for Creator/TomBaker), and [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors tried to save Five Doctors]] from an even eviller Time Lord, implying that while he may enjoy doing evil things, [[EvenEvilHasStandards actually killing the Doctor is NOT one of them]].
* The appearance of the Cyberman-Brigadier isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had Lethbridge-Stewart seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as the Brigadier to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones. Makes sense, as [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked with them.
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* For that matter, if the Data Slice was uploading copies of ''minds'' that had died on Earth, rather than actual souls, it's even conceivable that the Nethersphere took in versions of ''the Doctor'' who had "died" when he regenerated there: his various "selves" have enough individuality to potentially constitute separate minds, by the sphere's standards. Did Missy get the chance to mess with Three, Four, Seven, and Ten to her hearts' content while she was waiting for the "real" Doctor to show up?
* In-universe: when Kate Stewart learns that this uploading of human minds and Cyberman conversion has been going on for a while, she looks horrified. Of course this is because of the ramifications for the (living) human race, but also because her father, the Brigadier, died recently. What's the betting she's thinking 'Oh god, ''Dad's'' turned into one of those things???'
* In-universe: when Kate Stewart learns that this uploading of human minds and Cyberman conversion has been going on for a while, she looks horrified. Of course this is because of the ramifications for the (living) human race, but also because her father, the Brigadier, died recently. What's the betting she's thinking 'Oh god, ''Dad's'' turned into one of those things???'
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* The implication that ''everyone who has ever lived'' wound up in a (rather bland and bureaucratic) hell run by the Master, most of them for millennia, and the Doctor's victory was to re-kill everyone who ever lived. None of the characters who learn this fact react to it with much emotion at all, let alone the infinite horror that it warrants. It's frankly remarkable how little comment this whoppingly hideous little addition to the show's mythology has generated among viewers.
** Of course, it’s important to remember that these are copies of ‘’minds’’ and not souls that are sent to the Nethersphere, so at the very least it’s possible that a true afterlife exists for those who deserve it.
** Of course, it’s important to remember that these are copies of ‘’minds’’ and not souls that are sent to the Nethersphere, so at the very least it’s possible that a true afterlife exists for those who deserve it.
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** Of course, it’s important to remember that these are copies of ‘’minds’’ and not souls that are sent to the Nethersphere, so at the very least it’s possible that a true afterlife exists for those who deserve it.
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* Missy's underlying agenda of wanting her friend back makes more sense when you consider that she's most likely the result of Rassilon having killed the Simm-Master in the final instants before Gallifrey was locked away again in "The End Of Time". The Simm-Master's very last experience, that imprinted its influence on Missy's personality, was siding ''with the Doctor'' against the High Council that had screwed up his mind since childhood. Nor did it escape Missy's attention that the Doctor himself had just been through a BatmanGrabsAGun moment, when last they met, so the idea that he might be ready to grab an ''army'' wasn't entirely far-fetched, especially if she doesn't know about the Metacrisis and assumes Twelve's one regeneration short of producing the Valeyard.
* Keeping with Series 8's soft reboot to introduce more Classic Who elements, Missy is in line with Classic Master's characterization: a camp villain whenever (s)he feels like it, and despite their insistence on killing the Doctor, (s)he's more willing to team up with him. The Master has previously offered the Doctor the ability to ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E4ColonyInSpace rule the universe]]'' (which he politely declined, since he enjoys having adventures as a nobody rather than ruling over everybody), teamed up with him to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis stop his accidental destruction of part of the universe]] (And then grabbed onto the VillainBall for dear life to [[TheNthDoctor provide an out]] for Creator/TomBaker), and [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors tried to save Five Doctors]] from an even eviller Time Lord, implying that while he may enjoy doing evil things, [[EvenEvilHasStandards actually killing the Doctor is NOT one of them]].
* The appearance of the Cyberman-Brigadier isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had Lethbridge-Stewart seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as the Brigadier to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones. Makes sense, as [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked with them.
* Missy's underlying agenda of wanting her friend back makes more sense when you consider that she's most likely the result of Rassilon having killed the Simm-Master in the final instants before Gallifrey was locked away again in "The End Of Time". The Simm-Master's very last experience, that imprinted its influence on Missy's personality, was siding ''with the Doctor'' against the High Council that had screwed up his mind since childhood. Nor did it escape Missy's attention that the Doctor himself had just been through a BatmanGrabsAGun moment, when last they met, so the idea that he might be ready to grab an ''army'' wasn't entirely far-fetched, especially if she doesn't know about the Metacrisis and assumes Twelve's one regeneration short of producing the Valeyard.
* Keeping with Series 8's soft reboot to introduce more Classic Who elements, Missy is in line with Classic Master's characterization: a camp villain whenever (s)he feels like it, and despite their insistence on killing the Doctor, (s)he's more willing to team up with him. The Master has previously offered the Doctor the ability to ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E4ColonyInSpace rule the universe]]'' (which he politely declined, since he enjoys having adventures as a nobody rather than ruling over everybody), teamed up with him to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis stop his accidental destruction of part of the universe]] (And then grabbed onto the VillainBall for dear life to [[TheNthDoctor provide an out]] for Creator/TomBaker), and [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors tried to save Five Doctors]] from an even eviller Time Lord, implying that while he may enjoy doing evil things, [[EvenEvilHasStandards actually killing the Doctor is NOT one of them]].
* The appearance of the Cyberman-Brigadier isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had Lethbridge-Stewart seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as the Brigadier to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones. Makes sense, as [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked with them.
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* Missy's underlying agenda of wanting her friend back makes more sense when you consider that she's most likely the result of Rassilon having killed the Simm-Master in the final instants before Gallifrey was locked away again in "The End Of Time". The Simm-Master's very last experience, that imprinted its influence on Missy's personality, was siding ''with the Doctor'' against the High Council that had screwed up his mind since childhood. Nor did it escape Missy's attention that the Doctor himself had just been through a BatmanGrabsAGun moment, when last they met, so the idea that he might be ready to grab an ''army'' wasn't entirely far-fetched, especially if she doesn't know about the Metacrisis and assumes Twelve's one regeneration short of producing the Valeyard.
* Keeping with Series 8's soft reboot to introduce more Classic Who elements, Missy is in line with Classic Master's characterization: a camp villain whenever (s)he feels like it, and despite their insistence on killing the Doctor, (s)he's more willing to team up with him. The Master has previously offered the Doctor the ability to ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E4ColonyInSpace rule the universe]]'' (which he politely declined, since he enjoys having adventures as a nobody rather than ruling over everybody), teamed up with him to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis stop his accidental destruction of part of the universe]] (And then grabbed onto the VillainBall for dear life to [[TheNthDoctor provide an out]] for Creator/TomBaker), and [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors tried to save Five Doctors]] from an even eviller Time Lord, implying that while he may enjoy doing evil things, [[EvenEvilHasStandards actually killing the Doctor is NOT one of them]].
* The appearance of the Cyberman-Brigadier isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had Lethbridge-Stewart seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as the Brigadier to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones. Makes sense, as [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked with them.
* Missy's underlying agenda of wanting her friend back makes more sense when you consider that she's most likely the result of Rassilon having killed the Simm-Master in the final instants before Gallifrey was locked away again in "The End Of Time". The Simm-Master's very last experience, that imprinted its influence on Missy's personality, was siding ''with the Doctor'' against the High Council that had screwed up his mind since childhood. Nor did it escape Missy's attention that the Doctor himself had just been through a BatmanGrabsAGun moment, when last they met, so the idea that he might be ready to grab an ''army'' wasn't entirely far-fetched, especially if she doesn't know about the Metacrisis and assumes Twelve's one regeneration short of producing the Valeyard.
* Keeping with Series 8's soft reboot to introduce more Classic Who elements, Missy is in line with Classic Master's characterization: a camp villain whenever (s)he feels like it, and despite their insistence on killing the Doctor, (s)he's more willing to team up with him. The Master has previously offered the Doctor the ability to ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E4ColonyInSpace rule the universe]]'' (which he politely declined, since he enjoys having adventures as a nobody rather than ruling over everybody), teamed up with him to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis stop his accidental destruction of part of the universe]] (And then grabbed onto the VillainBall for dear life to [[TheNthDoctor provide an out]] for Creator/TomBaker), and [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors tried to save Five Doctors]] from an even eviller Time Lord, implying that while he may enjoy doing evil things, [[EvenEvilHasStandards actually killing the Doctor is NOT one of them]].
* The appearance of the Cyberman-Brigadier isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had Lethbridge-Stewart seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as the Brigadier to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones. Makes sense, as [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked with them.
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* The appearance of the Cyberman-Brigadier isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had Lethbridge-Stewart seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as the Brigadier to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones. Makes sense, as [[DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
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* The appearance of the Cyberman-Brigadier isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had Lethbridge-Stewart seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as the Brigadier to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones. Makes sense, as [[DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday [[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
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** Of course, it’s important to remember that these are copies of ‘’minds’’ and not souls that are sent to the Nethersphere, so at the very least it’s possible that a true afterlife exists for those who deserve it.
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* Keeping with Series 8's soft reboot to introduce more Classic Who elements, Missy is in line with Classic Master's characterization: a camp villain whenever (s)he feels like it, and despite their insistence on killing the Doctor, (s)he's more willing to team up with him. The Master has previously offered the Doctor the ability to ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E4ColonyInSpace rule the universe]]'' (which he politely declined, since he enjoys having adventures as a nobody rather than ruling over everybody), teamed up with him to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis stop his accidental destruction of part of the universe]] (And then grabbed onto the VillainBall for dear life to [[TheNthDoctor provide an out]] for TomBaker), and [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors tried to save Five Doctors]] from an even eviller Time Lord, implying that while he may enjoy doing evil things, [[EvenEvilHasStandards actually killing the Doctor is NOT one of them]].
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* Keeping with Series 8's soft reboot to introduce more Classic Who elements, Missy is in line with Classic Master's characterization: a camp villain whenever (s)he feels like it, and despite their insistence on killing the Doctor, (s)he's more willing to team up with him. The Master has previously offered the Doctor the ability to ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E4ColonyInSpace rule the universe]]'' (which he politely declined, since he enjoys having adventures as a nobody rather than ruling over everybody), teamed up with him to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis stop his accidental destruction of part of the universe]] (And then grabbed onto the VillainBall for dear life to [[TheNthDoctor provide an out]] for TomBaker), Creator/TomBaker), and [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors tried to save Five Doctors]] from an even eviller Time Lord, implying that while he may enjoy doing evil things, [[EvenEvilHasStandards actually killing the Doctor is NOT one of them]].
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** Keeping with Series 8's soft reboot to introduce more Classic Who elements, Missy is in line with Classic Master's characterization: a camp villain whenever (s)he feels like it, and despite their insistence on killing the Doctor, (s)he's more willing to team up with him. The Master has previously offered the Doctor the ability to ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS8E4ColonyInSpace rule the universe]]'' (which he politely declined, since he enjoys having adventures as a nobody rather than ruling over everybody), teamed up with him to [[Recap/DoctorWhoS18E7Logopolis stop his accidental destruction of part of the universe]] (And then grabbed onto the VillainBall for dear life to [[TheNthDoctor provide an out]] for TomBaker), and [[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors tried to save Five Doctors]] from an even eviller Time Lord, implying that while he may enjoy doing evil things, [[EvenEvilHasStandards actually killing the Doctor is NOT one of them]].
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** Unless, of course, one buys into the theory that [[spoiler:Jack is the Face of Boe]]
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** Unless, of course, one buys into the theory that [[spoiler:Jack is the Face of Boe]]
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** That was explained in "The Big Bang" as the result of Auton Rory being made based on Amy's memories, and Amy's mind being connected to the time crack in her bedroom wall.
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* The implication that everyone who has ever lived wound up in a (rather bland and bureaucratic) hell run by the Master, most of them for millennia, and the Doctor's victory was to re-kill everyone who ever lived. None of the characters who learn this hideous fact react to it with much emotion at all, let alone the infinite horror that it warrants. It's frankly remarkable how little comment it has generated among viewers.
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* The implication that everyone ''everyone who has ever lived lived'' wound up in a (rather bland and bureaucratic) hell run by the Master, most of them for millennia, and the Doctor's victory was to re-kill everyone who ever lived. lived. None of the characters who learn this hideous fact react to it with much emotion at all, let alone the infinite horror that it warrants. warrants. It's frankly remarkable how little comment it this whoppingly hideous little addition to the show's mythology has generated among viewers.
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* The implication that everyone who has ever lived wound up in a (rather bland and bureaucratic) hell run by the Master, most of them for millennia, and the Doctor's victory was to re-kill everyone who ever lived. None of the characters who learn this hideous fact react to it with much emotion at all, let alone the infinite horror that it warrants. It's frankly remarkable how little comment it has generated among viewers.
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* How many other characters from the show's history were uploaded into the Nethersphere and conscripted as Cybermen? Just for starters, there are at least five companions who would have died on Earth and been buried rather than cremated: Vicki, Jamie, Harry, Amy and Rory.
** Sarah Jane has a mother, father, Aunt Lavinia and an uncle, Africana, all buried on Earth. Yeah... not anymore.
** Sarah Jane has a mother, father, Aunt Lavinia and an uncle, Africana, all buried on Earth. Yeah... not anymore.
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* How many other characters from the show's history were uploaded into the Nethersphere and conscripted as Cybermen? Just for starters, there are at least five companions who would have died on Earth and been buried rather than cremated: Vicki, Jamie, Harry, Amy and Rory.
** Sarah Jane has a mother, father, Aunt Lavinia and an uncle, Africana, all buried on Earth. Yeah... not anymore.cremated.
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* How many other characters from the show's history were uploaded into the Nethersphere and conscripted as Cybermen? Just for starters, there are at least five companions who would have died on Earth and been buried rather than cremated: Vicki, Jamie, Harry, Amy and Rory. Maybe even Sarah Jane.
** WordOfGod is that although Elizabeth Sladen is dead, Sarah Jane lives a long, long time, continuing to have adventures offscreen.
** WordOfGod is that although Elizabeth Sladen is dead, Sarah Jane lives a long, long time, continuing to have adventures offscreen.
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* How many other characters from the show's history were uploaded into the Nethersphere and conscripted as Cybermen? Just for starters, there are at least five companions who would have died on Earth and been buried rather than cremated: Vicki, Jamie, Harry, Amy and Rory. Maybe even Sarah Jane.\n** WordOfGod is that although Elizabeth Sladen is dead, Sarah Jane lives a long, long time, continuing to have adventures offscreen.
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** That was explained in "The Big Bang" as the result of Rory being made based on Amy's memories, and Amy's mind being special because of her long-term exposure to the time crack in her bedroom wall.
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** That was explained in "The Big Bang" as the result of Auton Rory being made based on Amy's memories, and Amy's mind being special because of her long-term exposure connected to the time crack in her bedroom wall.
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** That was explained in "The Big Bang" as the result of Rory being made based on Amy's memories, and Amy's mind being special because of her long-term exposure to the time crack in her bedroom wall.
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** On the bright side, there's the chance that a copy of Jack got uploaded every time he died. Imagine heaven with millions of Jack Harknesses. Orgy!
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* How many other characters from the show's history were uploaded into the Nethersphere and conscripted as Cybermen? Just for starters, there are at least five companions who would have died on Earth and been buried rather than cremated: Vicki, Jamie, Harry, Amy and Rory.
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** Maybe even Sarah Jane.
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* How many other characters from the show's history were uploaded into the Nethersphere and conscripted as Cybermen? Just for starters, there are at least five companions who would have died on Earth and been buried rather than cremated: Vicki, Jamie, Harry, Amy and Rory.
**Rory. Maybe even Sarah Jane.
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* In the last episode, the Doctor said, "Almost every culture in the universe has some concept of an afterlife. I always meant to have a look around, see if I could find one." In this episode, when Kate asks how long Missy has been collecting human minds, the Doctor replies that it could be as long as humans have had a concept of an afterlife. If humanity got the concept from Missy, what about the rest of the universe? Has she been a ''very'' busy girl??
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* In the last episode, the Doctor said, "Almost every culture in the universe has some concept of an afterlife. I always meant to have a look around, see if I could find one." In this episode, when Kate asks how long Missy has been collecting human minds, the Doctor replies that it could be as long as humans have had a concept of an afterlife. If humanity got the concept from Missy, what about the rest of the universe? Has she been a ''very'' busy girl??
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* Missy's underlying agenda of [[spoiler: wanting her friend back]] makes more sense when you consider that she's most likely the result of Rassilon having killed the Simm-Master in the final instants before Gallifrey was locked away again in "The End Of Time". The Simm-Master's very last experience, that imprinted its influence on Missy's personality, was siding ''with the Doctor'' against the High Council that had screwed up his mind since childhood. Nor did it escape Missy's attention that the Doctor himself had just been through a BatmanGrabsAGun moment, when last they met, so the idea that he might [[spoiler: be ready to grab an ''army'']] wasn't entirely far-fetched, especially if she doesn't know about the Metacrisis and assumes Twelve's one regeneration short of producing the Valeyard.
* The appearance of [[spoiler: the Cyberman-Brigadier]] isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had [[spoiler: Lethbridge-Stewart]] seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as [[spoiler: the Brigadier]] to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones.
** Makes sense, as [[DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked with them!
* The appearance of [[spoiler: the Cyberman-Brigadier]] isn't all that surprising, considering how Danny held on to his emotions and memories rather than choosing to delete them. Not only had [[spoiler: Lethbridge-Stewart]] seen enough of the Whoniverse's weirdness, and the sneaky alien forces and conspiracies that underlie Earth's ancient myths, to be immunized against taking Seb's word at face value, but ''nothing'' would have convinced someone as dedicated to duty as [[spoiler: the Brigadier]] to forfeit his feelings for country, friends and loved ones.
** Makes sense, as [[DoctorWhoS28E13Doomsday a former soldier overpowering Cyberman programming and turning against the others, for love of his/her country has happened before]].
* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked with them!
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* Missy's underlying agenda of [[spoiler: wanting her friend back]] back makes more sense when you consider that she's most likely the result of Rassilon having killed the Simm-Master in the final instants before Gallifrey was locked away again in "The End Of Time". The Simm-Master's very last experience, that imprinted its influence on Missy's personality, was siding ''with the Doctor'' against the High Council that had screwed up his mind since childhood. Nor did it escape Missy's attention that the Doctor himself had just been through a BatmanGrabsAGun moment, when last they met, so the idea that he might [[spoiler: be ready to grab an ''army'']] ''army'' wasn't entirely far-fetched, especially if she doesn't know about the Metacrisis and assumes Twelve's one regeneration short of producing the Valeyard.
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* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked withthem!
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* This storyline also might explain how the Autons got Rory -- it wouldn't even be the first time the Master worked with them!