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26th Jun '16 1:15:29 PM ASCE
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* Takato is sent into a [[spoiler:murderous rage when Beelzemon kills Leomon. Later, Takato admits to Jeri that he loved her and was heartbroken to see her lose her partner.]]
4th Apr '16 8:27:24 PM Cinereous
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* The DubNameChange to Henry and Suzie actually is a case of the English dub names being more realistic because they're from Hong Kong. It is very common for people from HK to have Western first names since it was a British colony for nearly a century.
20th Feb '16 5:35:27 PM CrowTR0bot
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* On a lighter note--[[NeverLiveItDown for a given value of lighter]]--there's the fact that hacking into the D-Reaper's signal televised the final battle to everyone in Japan, including from inside the Tamers' biomerged forms. In other words, potentially millions of people--including friends and relatives--have ''seen our heroes [[OutOfClothesExperience naked]].''
** Further, remember the dub changed their age from 10 to 12.


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* On a lighter note--[[NeverLiveItDown for a given value of lighter]]--there's the fact that hacking into the D-Reaper's signal televised the final battle to everyone in Japan, including from inside the Tamers' biomerged forms. In other words, potentially millions of people--including friends and relatives--have ''seen our heroes [[OutOfClothesExperience naked]].''
** Further, remember the dub changed their age from 10 to 12.
3rd Feb '16 9:41:51 PM ExarchofSechrima
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** While not outright stated, Runaway Locomon heavily implies that her parents didn't just get a divorce, but that her father walked out on them when she was very young.
12th Nov '15 5:43:50 AM Prfnoff
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* The D-Reaper is impossible for the Tamers to really damage or defeat until a way appears/is created to ''make'' it possible. Causing this to happen is explicitly Ryo Akiyama's ability, and why he got dragged in to save the DigimonAdventure universe four times even though he didn't even have his own digivice or partner Digimon and got his ass kicked by [[DigimonAdventure Mimi]] in the probably-canon route of the third game. In DigimonTamersBraveTamer there is a timeline where Takato has never heard of anyone named Ryo Akiyama, because Ryo doesn't go to the DigimonTamers timeline until [[TimeyWimeyBall the end of that game]]. That means that in the original DigimonTamers timeline, the D-Reaper may have remained invulnerable, erased the digital world and continued slowly engulfing the earth until [[SummonBiggerFish someone]] showed up in 2004 and oneshotted it... so he could first [[MultiversalConquerer conquer]] and then destroy the DigimonTamers universe himself in order to replace it [[CosmicRetcon with a new history]].
** A brainwashed clone of Takato, along with a copy of Guilmon, is one of [[BigBad ZiydMillenniummon's]] minions in DigimonTamersBraveTamer. That would imply Takato survived to 2004 and was part of the resistance, only to end up captured or killed and his remains experimented on.

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* The D-Reaper is impossible for the Tamers to really damage or defeat until a way appears/is created to ''make'' it possible. Causing this to happen is explicitly Ryo Akiyama's ability, and why he got dragged in to save the DigimonAdventure universe four times even though he didn't even have his own digivice or partner Digimon and got his ass kicked by [[DigimonAdventure Mimi]] in the probably-canon route of the third game. In DigimonTamersBraveTamer ''VideoGame/DigimonTamersBraveTamer'' there is a timeline where Takato has never heard of anyone named Ryo Akiyama, because Ryo doesn't go to the DigimonTamers timeline until [[TimeyWimeyBall the end of that game]]. That means that in the original DigimonTamers timeline, the D-Reaper may have remained invulnerable, erased the digital world and continued slowly engulfing the earth until [[SummonBiggerFish someone]] showed up in 2004 and oneshotted it... so he could first [[MultiversalConquerer conquer]] and then destroy the DigimonTamers universe himself in order to replace it [[CosmicRetcon with a new history]].
** A brainwashed clone of Takato, along with a copy of Guilmon, is one of [[BigBad ZiydMillenniummon's]] minions in DigimonTamersBraveTamer.''VideoGame/DigimonTamersBraveTamer''. That would imply Takato survived to 2004 and was part of the resistance, only to end up captured or killed and his remains experimented on.
21st Jun '15 7:43:44 PM Laryna6
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** The veteran Ryo is absolutely casual about most threats, for instance a Knightmon that might want to decapitate him in his sleep, but views the threat of the D-Reaper as a deadly serious one, fighting the D-Reaper's agents solo for days while the other Tamers relaxed. It also really doesn't occur to Ryo to ask for help from either the Tamers or Hypnos, and while he helps them he doesn't really expect them to help him. This is because he's fought a god that wanted to conquer/destroy the world four times before, and three out of the four times he had no human help whatsoever (and then it was [[Digimon02 Ken]], who was a little kid and it [[TakingTheBullet really]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy didn't]] end well). He's been pulled right back into the mindset of those wars, and the idea of being part of a team doesn't occur to him because [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne it was never an option before]].

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** The veteran Ryo is absolutely casual about most threats, for instance a Knightmon that might want to decapitate him in his sleep, but views the threat of the D-Reaper as a deadly serious one, fighting the D-Reaper's agents solo for days while the other Tamers relaxed. It also really doesn't occur to Ryo to ask for help from either the Tamers or Hypnos, and while he helps them he doesn't really expect them to help him. This is because he's fought a god that wanted to conquer/destroy the world four times before, and three out of the four times he had no human help whatsoever (and then it was [[Digimon02 [[DigimonAdventure02 Ken]], who was a little kid and it [[TakingTheBullet really]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy didn't]] end well). He's been pulled right back into the mindset of those wars, and the idea of being part of a team doesn't occur to him because [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne it was never an option before]].
21st Jun '15 7:41:36 PM Laryna6
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** The veteran Ryo is absolutely casual about most threats, for instance a Knightmon that might want to decapitate him in his sleep, but views the threat of the D-Reaper as a deadly serious one, fighting the D-Reaper's agents solo for days while the other Tamers relaxed. It also really doesn't occur to Ryo to ask for help from either the Tamers or Hypnos, and while he helps them he doesn't really expect them to help him. This is because he's fought a god that wanted to conquer/destroy the world four times before, and three out of the four times he had no human help whatsoever (and then it was [[DigimonZeroTwo Ken]], who was a little kid and it [[TakingTheBullet really]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy didn't]] end well). He's been pulled right back into the mindset of those wars, and the idea of being part of a team doesn't occur to him because [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne it was never an option before]].

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** The veteran Ryo is absolutely casual about most threats, for instance a Knightmon that might want to decapitate him in his sleep, but views the threat of the D-Reaper as a deadly serious one, fighting the D-Reaper's agents solo for days while the other Tamers relaxed. It also really doesn't occur to Ryo to ask for help from either the Tamers or Hypnos, and while he helps them he doesn't really expect them to help him. This is because he's fought a god that wanted to conquer/destroy the world four times before, and three out of the four times he had no human help whatsoever (and then it was [[DigimonZeroTwo [[Digimon02 Ken]], who was a little kid and it [[TakingTheBullet really]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy didn't]] end well). He's been pulled right back into the mindset of those wars, and the idea of being part of a team doesn't occur to him because [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne it was never an option before]].



* The D-Reaper is impossible for the Tamers to really damage or defeat until a way appears/is created to ''make'' it possible. Causing this to happen is explicitly Ryo Akiyama's ability, and why he got dragged in to save the DigimonAdventure universe four times even though he didn't even have his own digivice or partner Digimon and got his ass kicked by [[DigimonAdventure Mimi]] in the probably-canon route of the third game. In DigimonTamersBraveTamer there is a timeline where Takato has never heard of anyone named Ryo Akiyama, because Ryo doesn't go to the DigimonTamers timeline until [[TimeyWimeyBall the end of that game]]. That means that in the original DigimonTamers timeline, the D-Reaper may have remained invulnerable, erased the digital world and continued slowly engulfing the earth until [[SummonBiggerFish someone]] showed up in 2004 and oneshotted it... so he could first [[Multiversal Conquerer conquer]] and then destroy the DigimonTamers universe himself in order to replace it [[CosmicRetcon with a new history]].

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* The D-Reaper is impossible for the Tamers to really damage or defeat until a way appears/is created to ''make'' it possible. Causing this to happen is explicitly Ryo Akiyama's ability, and why he got dragged in to save the DigimonAdventure universe four times even though he didn't even have his own digivice or partner Digimon and got his ass kicked by [[DigimonAdventure Mimi]] in the probably-canon route of the third game. In DigimonTamersBraveTamer there is a timeline where Takato has never heard of anyone named Ryo Akiyama, because Ryo doesn't go to the DigimonTamers timeline until [[TimeyWimeyBall the end of that game]]. That means that in the original DigimonTamers timeline, the D-Reaper may have remained invulnerable, erased the digital world and continued slowly engulfing the earth until [[SummonBiggerFish someone]] showed up in 2004 and oneshotted it... so he could first [[Multiversal Conquerer [[MultiversalConquerer conquer]] and then destroy the DigimonTamers universe himself in order to replace it [[CosmicRetcon with a new history]].
21st Jun '15 7:37:14 PM Laryna6
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** It's been remarked that despite being a card game champion, Ryo's digi-modifications are very cheap tactics: he basically just uses OP cards to deliver beat-downs that are as brutal and efficient as possible. This absolutely makes sense for a veteran of ''four wars'' who's been wandering around in the Digital World getting constantly attacked by Digimon that want to go to the real world for over a year. This is not a game to him, there are no points for style, nobody cares about fighting fair; there is only overkill and not enough kill. When Rika wants to make Jeri stronger, she starts teaching her the rules. When Ryo wants to up the odds that Suzy will live through this, he hands her one of the more OP cards in existence so she can kill anything that looks at her funny (of course, Suzy is too young for elaborate tactics). He does not like it when Kazu and Kenta talk about using digi-modify cards in real Digimon battles as an extension of the card game. The Digimon Tamer he connects best with Rika, who believed at the beginning of the series that Digimon fights were 'kill or be killed.'

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** It's been remarked that despite being a card game champion, Ryo's digi-modifications are very cheap tactics: he basically just uses OP cards to deliver beat-downs that are as brutal and efficient as possible. This absolutely makes sense for a veteran of ''four wars'' who's been wandering around in the Digital World getting constantly attacked by Digimon that want to go to the real world for over a year. This is not a game to him, there are no points for style, nobody cares about fighting fair; there is only overkill and not enough kill. When Rika wants to make Jeri stronger, she starts teaching her the rules. When Ryo wants to up the odds that Suzy will live through this, he hands her one of the more OP cards in existence so she can kill anything that looks at her funny (of course, Suzy is too young for elaborate tactics). He does not like it It makes him visibly uncomfortable when Kazu and Kenta talk about using digi-modify cards in real Digimon battles as an extension of the card game. The Digimon Tamer he connects best with Rika, who believed at the beginning of the series that Digimon fights were 'kill or be killed.'


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* The D-Reaper is impossible for the Tamers to really damage or defeat until a way appears/is created to ''make'' it possible. Causing this to happen is explicitly Ryo Akiyama's ability, and why he got dragged in to save the DigimonAdventure universe four times even though he didn't even have his own digivice or partner Digimon and got his ass kicked by [[DigimonAdventure Mimi]] in the probably-canon route of the third game. In DigimonTamersBraveTamer there is a timeline where Takato has never heard of anyone named Ryo Akiyama, because Ryo doesn't go to the DigimonTamers timeline until [[TimeyWimeyBall the end of that game]]. That means that in the original DigimonTamers timeline, the D-Reaper may have remained invulnerable, erased the digital world and continued slowly engulfing the earth until [[SummonBiggerFish someone]] showed up in 2004 and oneshotted it... so he could first [[Multiversal Conquerer conquer]] and then destroy the DigimonTamers universe himself in order to replace it [[CosmicRetcon with a new history]].
** A brainwashed clone of Takato, along with a copy of Guilmon, is one of [[BigBad ZiydMillenniummon's]] minions in DigimonTamersBraveTamer. That would imply Takato survived to 2004 and was part of the resistance, only to end up captured or killed and his remains experimented on.
21st Jun '15 5:48:56 PM Laryna6
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*** Cyberdramon goes berserk so easily because he and Ryo are beginning to slowly regain their memories of the [=WonderSwan=] games. Cyberdramon ended up with the feeling that there was an incredibly powerful being out there that wanted to hurt Ryo and is attempting to find it and kill it dead. That entity is canonically an 'Evil God,' so. Of course, as Ryo points out in the Drama CD, the enemy that Cyberdramon wanted to fight [[SealedEvilInACan was inside him all along.]]

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*** Cyberdramon goes berserk so easily because he and Ryo are beginning to slowly regain their memories of the [=WonderSwan=] games. Cyberdramon ended up with the feeling that there was an incredibly powerful being out there that wanted to hurt Ryo and is attempting to find it and kill it dead. That entity Digimon is canonically an 'Evil God,' so.so Cyberdramon found the Sovereign and D-Reaper by trying to sense divine power. Of course, as Ryo points out in the Drama CD, the enemy that Cyberdramon wanted to fight [[SealedEvilInACan was inside him all along.]]]]
*** Cyberdramon is made up of two Digimon. [[SealedEvilInACan One of them]] is literally impossible to defeat. This means that the only people who can put up an actual fight against him are people who can ''make it'' possible to defeat him. This means that if Cyberdramon wants an actual challenge instead of just loading the data of Digimon who can't win, he needs to find some gods to fight. In DigimonTamers that means the Sovereign, the D-Reaper and possibly Megidramon.
** The veteran Ryo is absolutely casual about most threats, for instance a Knightmon that might want to decapitate him in his sleep, but views the threat of the D-Reaper as a deadly serious one, fighting the D-Reaper's agents solo for days while the other Tamers relaxed. It also really doesn't occur to Ryo to ask for help from either the Tamers or Hypnos, and while he helps them he doesn't really expect them to help him. This is because he's fought a god that wanted to conquer/destroy the world four times before, and three out of the four times he had no human help whatsoever (and then it was [[DigimonZeroTwo Ken]], who was a little kid and it [[TakingTheBullet really]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy didn't]] end well). He's been pulled right back into the mindset of those wars, and the idea of being part of a team doesn't occur to him because [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne it was never an option before]].
** It's been remarked that despite being a card game champion, Ryo's digi-modifications are very cheap tactics: he basically just uses OP cards to deliver beat-downs that are as brutal and efficient as possible. This absolutely makes sense for a veteran of ''four wars'' who's been wandering around in the Digital World getting constantly attacked by Digimon that want to go to the real world for over a year. This is not a game to him, there are no points for style, nobody cares about fighting fair; there is only overkill and not enough kill. When Rika wants to make Jeri stronger, she starts teaching her the rules. When Ryo wants to up the odds that Suzy will live through this, he hands her one of the more OP cards in existence so she can kill anything that looks at her funny (of course, Suzy is too young for elaborate tactics). He does not like it when Kazu and Kenta talk about using digi-modify cards in real Digimon battles as an extension of the card game. The Digimon Tamer he connects best with Rika, who believed at the beginning of the series that Digimon fights were 'kill or be killed.'



** That's an invention of the dub. Zhuquaiomon thinks that interacting with humans is 'blasphemy' and generally doesn't want anything to do with us. Given the backstory of the Digimon species in Tamers, [[AbusivePrecursors this makes sense]]. Unfortunately, the Light of Digivolution appeared in the human world, and the Digimon need to get it back in order to not be exterminated by the D-Reaper.

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** That's an invention of the dub. Zhuquaiomon thinks that interacting with humans is 'blasphemy' and generally doesn't want anything to do with us. Given the backstory of the Digimon species in Tamers, [[AbusivePrecursors this makes sense]]. Unfortunately, the Light of Digivolution appeared in the human world, and the Digimon need to get it back in order to not be exterminated by the D-Reaper. \n Hypnos and the Tamers are getting in the way of their attempt to save the worlds (the [[EldritchAbomination D-Reaper]] is everyone's problem). Unfortunately, their dislike of humans means they don't just explain why they need Calumon [[PoorCommunicationKills until all but one of them are dead]].
21st Jun '15 4:53:32 PM Laryna6
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* When one thinks about it, Ryo's presence in Tamers actually makes sense; Both Tamers and the [=WonderSwan=] games make a point of noting how HarmfulToMinors the digital world and it's inhabitants can be. Not only that, but his ability to [[FusionDance Bio-Merge]] without getting the power from the Sovereign makes sense; After everything that happened in the [=WonderSwan=] games, who's to say that Ryo isn't already made of data?

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* When one thinks about it, Ryo's presence in Tamers actually makes sense; Both Tamers and the [=WonderSwan=] games make a point of noting how HarmfulToMinors the digital world and it's inhabitants can be.
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Not only that, but his ability to [[FusionDance Bio-Merge]] without getting the power from the Sovereign makes sense; After everything that happened in Sovereign's intervention is justified by the [=WonderSwan=] games. It's impossible for the other Tamers to biomerge in the real world until Dobermon uses some of the power of the Sovereign to make it possible for them to biomerge. In the Japanese, the Sovereign are gods, so the ability to biomerge is literally miraculous, something only made possible by divine intervention overruling the normal laws of physics. In the games, who's Ryo's power as a Digidestined is explicitly 'the power to say make the impossible possible.' Just like the other Tamers, he wouldn't have known that Ryo biomerging wasn't possible into the real world until he tried it, but while the other Tamers' biomerge attempts failed, Ryo's power would have kicked in and made it possible for him to biomerge. [[AchievementsInIgnorance He probably doesn't even know]] that biomerging in the real world isn't already made normally supposed to happen.
** When [[BloodKnight Cyberdramon]] goes looking for worthy opponents to battle, he ends up zeroing in on the Sovereign and the D-Reaper. This makes additional sense if you know that by DigimonAdventure standards, the Sovereign and the D-Reaper are gods.
*** Cyberdramon goes berserk so easily because he and Ryo are beginning to slowly regain their memories
of data?the [=WonderSwan=] games. Cyberdramon ended up with the feeling that there was an incredibly powerful being out there that wanted to hurt Ryo and is attempting to find it and kill it dead. That entity is canonically an 'Evil God,' so. Of course, as Ryo points out in the Drama CD, the enemy that Cyberdramon wanted to fight [[SealedEvilInACan was inside him all along.]]




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** That's an invention of the dub. Zhuquaiomon thinks that interacting with humans is 'blasphemy' and generally doesn't want anything to do with us. Given the backstory of the Digimon species in Tamers, [[AbusivePrecursors this makes sense]]. Unfortunately, the Light of Digivolution appeared in the human world, and the Digimon need to get it back in order to not be exterminated by the D-Reaper.
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