History Fridge / Clue

7th Nov '17 9:21:51 PM CharlesPhipps
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** Possibly subverted with Mrs. Peacock taking bribes from a foreign power. It could well be she was on the payroll of the USSR.
21st Jun '17 7:51:58 PM Kalaong
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* [[https://themoviola.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/not-just-a-red-herring-the-political-subtext-of-clue/ "Communism was just a red herring."]] 100% true and 100% false at the same time. Communism had absolutely nothing to do with any of the blackmailers, the blackmailed, the murderers or the murdered - [[spoiler:except that it was the justification for everything. Security, bribes, blackmail, secrets, they were all because of Communists who ''weren't anywhere near the place.'' It was just a red herring - a red herring everyone was willing to lie, cheat, steal, kill and pay for. Ouch]].
25th Feb '17 9:49:35 AM ElvenQueen
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* After Colonel Mustard leaves Miss Scarlet by herself in the ballroom, she is visibly ill at ease as she approaches the curtain because she believes that the murderer is hiding behind it. This behavior makes sense in the second and third endings ([[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is innocent in the former, and in the latter, the cop hasn't arrived yet, so Miss Scarlet hasn't killed anyone at that point]]), but makes no sense in the first ending, where [[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is the mastermind behind the murder spree]]. Unless she thinks [[spoiler:one of the other guests may have figured out what she's up to, and plans to kill her off so they can be the new blackmailer instead]]?

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* After Colonel Mustard leaves Miss Scarlet by herself in the ballroom, she is visibly ill at ease as she approaches the curtain because she believes that the murderer is hiding behind it. This behavior makes sense in the second and third endings ([[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is innocent in the former, and in the latter, the cop hasn't arrived yet, so Miss Scarlet hasn't killed anyone at that point]]), but makes no sense in the first ending, where [[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is the mastermind behind the murder spree]]. spree]].
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Unless she thinks [[spoiler:one of the other guests may have figured out what she's up to, and plans to kill her off so they can be the new blackmailer instead]]?
25th Feb '17 12:01:40 AM Ingonyama
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* After Colonel Mustard leaves Miss Scarlet by herself in the ballroom, she is visibly ill at ease as she approaches the curtain because she believes that the murderer is hiding behind it. This behavior makes sense in the second and third endings ([[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is innocent in the former, and in the latter, the cop hasn't arrived yet, so Miss Scarlet hasn't killed anyone at that point]]), but makes no sense in the first ending, where [[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is the mastermind behind the murder spree]].

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* After Colonel Mustard leaves Miss Scarlet by herself in the ballroom, she is visibly ill at ease as she approaches the curtain because she believes that the murderer is hiding behind it. This behavior makes sense in the second and third endings ([[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is innocent in the former, and in the latter, the cop hasn't arrived yet, so Miss Scarlet hasn't killed anyone at that point]]), but makes no sense in the first ending, where [[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is the mastermind behind the murder spree]]. Unless she thinks [[spoiler:one of the other guests may have figured out what she's up to, and plans to kill her off so they can be the new blackmailer instead]]?
8th Jan '17 3:07:40 AM CaptainCrawdad
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[[AC:FridgeBrilliance]]
* How can you win if you are the murderer/ess? Because the premise is figuring out the murderer's identity by way of evidence. If you can find the evidence of your guilt before anyone else does, that means you can destroy it and get away with it.
** That doesn't explain why the game requires you to repeatedly destroy any possibility of pinning the crime on someone else.
** If you don't seem to actively look for the murderer the others will be suspicious.
*** The SNES Game plays this another way. If it turns out the character you're playing as is the murderer, you still end up getting arrested in the end if you expose yourself. But you leave happy, because at least Mr. Boddy "got what he deserved."
---> '''Mr. Green:''' I won! I won! I'm on my way to prison, but I won!

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[[AC:FridgeBrilliance]]
* How can you win if you are the murderer/ess? Because the premise is figuring out the murderer's identity by way of evidence. If you can find the evidence of your guilt before anyone else does, that means you can destroy it and get away with it.
** That doesn't explain why the game requires you to repeatedly destroy any possibility of pinning the crime on someone else.
** If you don't seem to actively look for the murderer the others will be suspicious.
*** The SNES Game plays this another way. If it turns out the character you're playing as is the murderer, you still end up getting arrested in the end if you expose yourself. But you leave happy, because at least Mr. Boddy "got what he deserved."
---> '''Mr. Green:''' I won! I won! I'm on my way to prison, but I won!



** [[spoiler: [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation Or is he?]]]]
** In the 3rd ending I assumed [[spoiler: that being the undercover agent, the Mr. Green who appears in the film is NOT the Mr. Green who received the invitation; Wadsworth working off of an informant's tip had never seen the Real Green, and the FBI sent a fake in his place, thus while real Green was gay, Fake Green had a wife to go home and make love to]]
*** [[spoiler: It helps that the plan to have a picture of him holding hands with a man to be shown as the evidence was being burned was changed.]]
*** It has to be the real Mr. Green, since [[spoiler: Boddy/Wadsworth was the blackmailer, and knows his marks on sight somehow, addressing each by their name upon arrival.]]
*** If he knows their backstories but not what they look like then identifying them on sight still shouldn't be hard: Colonel Mustard walks and talks like a military man, Plum looks just the part for a professor, White for a widow, and so on. Alternatively he may have known everyone's face ''but'' Green's, so by process of elimination...
24th Nov '16 5:06:01 PM Jgorgon
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*** If he knows their backstories but not what they look like then identifying them on sight still shouldn't be hard: Colonel Mustard walks and talks like a military man, Plum looks just the part for a professor, White for a widow, and so on. Alternatively he may have known everyone's face ''but'' Green's, so by process of elimination...
24th Sep '16 10:27:16 PM Racso
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* Wadsworth's absurdly lengthy version of TheSummation makes sense when you consider the reveals in the various endings. [[spoiler: In the first two endings, he's stalling for time until his FBI buddies can reach and surround the house. In the third, he's JustToyingWithThem.]]
1st Sep '16 6:51:38 AM ElvenQueen
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** And whether just Wadsworth or Boddy too didn't know about the homosexuality, the secret could have been revealed via [[spoiler:the Jehovah's Witness]] in those endings as well: in every ending he worked for the FBI, so just as he could have [[spoiler:provided the fake secret for Green's sting]], he could have been a fake informant who had replaced the real informant in the other endings so as to fool Mr. Boddy. The only difference is that apparently he didn't bother informing Wadsworth what the real secret was, thus explaining his shock. (Maybe because, after learning from the real informant what it was, he didn't want to expose it and get Green fired, not expecting Green would unmask himself?)

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** And whether just Wadsworth or Boddy too didn't know about the homosexuality, the secret could have been revealed via [[spoiler:the Jehovah's Witness]] in those endings as well: in every ending he worked for the FBI, so just as he could have [[spoiler:provided the fake secret for Green's sting]], he could have been a fake informant who had replaced the real informant in the other endings so as to fool Mr. Boddy. The only difference is that apparently he didn't bother informing Wadsworth what the real secret was, thus explaining his shock. (Maybe because, after learning from the real informant what it was, he didn't want to expose it and get Green fired, not expecting Green would unmask himself?)himself?)
* After Colonel Mustard leaves Miss Scarlet by herself in the ballroom, she is visibly ill at ease as she approaches the curtain because she believes that the murderer is hiding behind it. This behavior makes sense in the second and third endings ([[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is innocent in the former, and in the latter, the cop hasn't arrived yet, so Miss Scarlet hasn't killed anyone at that point]]), but makes no sense in the first ending, where [[spoiler:Miss Scarlet is the mastermind behind the murder spree]].
7th May '16 11:41:13 PM Ingonyama
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* [[spoiler: The third ending is supported as the actual ending in that Wadsworth threw away the key to the door to the study where the Motorist was. He lied and said it was the key to the cabinet was the key he threw away--in which case he must have simply pretended he had no key for the lounge door when the time came to unlock it.]] On a related note [[spoiler:if the explanation given in the third ending, that Colonel Mustard switched the keys when they were huddled at the door, is true and Miss Scarlet or Mrs. Peacock did the same in the other endings, this explains why they couldn't unlock the lounge door--it was the lounge key that got thrown away rather than the cupboard key]].

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* [[spoiler: The third ending is supported as the actual ending in if it is assumed that Wadsworth Wadsworth/Boddy threw away the key to the door to the study lounge where the Motorist was. He lied and said it was the key to the cabinet was the key he threw away--in which case he must have simply pretended he had no key for the lounge door when the time came to unlock it.]] On a related note [[spoiler:if the explanation given in the third ending, locked in--it is revealed that Colonel Mustard switched "took the keys when key to the cupboard...and substituted another" while they were huddled at the front door, is true and Miss Scarlet or Mrs. Peacock did the same in the other endings, this which neatly explains why they couldn't unlock the lounge door--it door. However, if Miss Scarlet or Mrs. Peacock did the same thing in the other endings, then the same explanation applies there.]]
* On a related note, in the first two endings, Colonel Mustard in a usual moment of ditzy doofiness ends up falling against the wall in the Conservatory and accidentally revealing the secret passage. But in the third ending, [[spoiler:where he actually had used it previously (and left the flashlight right there for them to find and use), the whole thing
was an audacious act allowing him to "discover" the lounge key that got thrown away rather than Motorist with Miss Scarlet and thus throw suspicion off himself]]. And in the cupboard key]].case of the first ending, [[spoiler:Miss Scarlet let him do this for the same reason, to throw suspicion off herself]]. The fact his excuse when leaving Miss Scarlet alone in the Ballroom was so lame, though, suggests [[spoiler:he really did kill the Motorist]], supporting the third ending as the actual ending.
7th May '16 11:18:39 PM Ingonyama
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* [[spoiler: The third ending is supported as the actual ending in that Wadsworth threw away the key to the door to the study where the Motorist was. He lied and said it was the key to the cabinet was the key he threw away.]]

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* [[spoiler: The third ending is supported as the actual ending in that Wadsworth threw away the key to the door to the study where the Motorist was. He lied and said it was the key to the cabinet was the key he threw away.]]away--in which case he must have simply pretended he had no key for the lounge door when the time came to unlock it.]] On a related note [[spoiler:if the explanation given in the third ending, that Colonel Mustard switched the keys when they were huddled at the door, is true and Miss Scarlet or Mrs. Peacock did the same in the other endings, this explains why they couldn't unlock the lounge door--it was the lounge key that got thrown away rather than the cupboard key]].



** See another point further down the page, but it's pretty likely, considering Wadsworth[[spoiler:/Mr. Boddy]] doesn't seem surprised by his appearance, that the informant was intended to be the Jehovah's Witness. [[spoiler:In the first two endings Wadsworth, as an FBI agent, would have known the Jehovah's Witness worked for the FBI; not only could he have told Wadsworth directly about Green's secret, being his boss, but Wadsworth could have assumed someone who worked for one government agency could have learned the blackmailable secret of someone working for another government agency. Or the Witness could have been planned to take the place of the real informant in order to keep from rousing Boddy's suspicions; he could even have been how the FBI learned about what Boddy was up to to begin with, thus leading to Wadsworth being placed in Boddy's employ. As for the third ending, when Wadsworth/Boddy was making sure all the informants would show up, he would have contacted whoever had supposedly informed on Green to him; when Green's "secret" was revealed to him, this person would also have let Boddy know how to contact them, and once he did so, the response could have stated the informant would appear dressed as a Jehovah's Witness as an excuse for a State Department official to be at the mansion.]]



* Pay attention to the cook during the pre-Boddy scenes, especially during dinner. She manages to walk out of sight just as the guests, including Mrs. Peacock, [[spoiler: her old boss and the person she was informing on,]] entered the area. And during dinner, Wadsworth happens to step in the way of Mrs. Peacock looking into the now-open shutter to the kitchen and seeing the cook. Not one scene before the cook's murder has her being seen by Mrs. Peacock. This makes certain later scenes [[spoiler:("monkey's brains" and her parts in the murder(s))]] even more clever. It means that [[spoiler: she recognized the cook was the same one that worked for her from JUST THE DESSERT]]. In fact, it makes sense that [[spoiler: Wadsworth!Boddy]] would want to keep Peacock from recognizing the cook at that point in the night. Remember, at the start, Peacock is nervous and talkative because she dislikes the quiet. She might have accidentally blabbed about knowing the cook, cluing some of the others to their true purpose for being there. The movie made a point of such a thing happening when Ms White arrived and Wadsworth noted they seemed to know each other. [[spoiler: Wadsworth!Boddy]] knew that, while certain guests (White, Scarlet, Mustard) could keep quiet about Yvette and their connections to her, Peacock was more talkative and would not have thought anything of saying it.

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* Pay attention to the cook during the pre-Boddy scenes, especially during dinner. She manages to walk out of sight just as the guests, including Mrs. Peacock, [[spoiler: her old boss and the person she was informing on,]] entered the area. And during dinner, Wadsworth happens to step in the way of Mrs. Peacock looking into the now-open shutter to the kitchen and seeing the cook. Not one scene before the cook's murder has her being seen by Mrs. Peacock. This makes certain later scenes [[spoiler:("monkey's brains" and her parts in the murder(s))]] even more clever. It means that [[spoiler: she recognized the cook was the same one that worked for her from JUST THE DESSERT]]. In fact, it makes sense that [[spoiler: Wadsworth!Boddy]] would want to keep Peacock from recognizing the cook at that point in the night. Remember, at the start, Peacock is nervous and talkative because she dislikes the quiet. She might have accidentally blabbed about knowing the cook, cluing some of the others to their true purpose for being there. The movie made a point of such a thing happening when Ms White arrived and Wadsworth noted they she and Yvette seemed to know each other. [[spoiler: Wadsworth!Boddy]] knew that, while certain guests (White, Scarlet, Mustard) could keep quiet about Yvette and their connections to her, Peacock was more talkative and would not have thought anything of saying it.



** In those endings, Wadsworth may genuinely have not realized Mr. Green was a homosexual since he is looking at the photo in shock when the latter announces his. It's entirely possible Mr. Boddy was blackmailing him for a perceived a secret over his actual one.

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** In those endings, Wadsworth may genuinely have not realized Mr. Green was a homosexual since he is looking at the photo papers from the envelope in shock when the latter announces his. It's entirely possible Mr. Boddy was blackmailing him for a perceived a secret over his actual one.one.
** And whether just Wadsworth or Boddy too didn't know about the homosexuality, the secret could have been revealed via [[spoiler:the Jehovah's Witness]] in those endings as well: in every ending he worked for the FBI, so just as he could have [[spoiler:provided the fake secret for Green's sting]], he could have been a fake informant who had replaced the real informant in the other endings so as to fool Mr. Boddy. The only difference is that apparently he didn't bother informing Wadsworth what the real secret was, thus explaining his shock. (Maybe because, after learning from the real informant what it was, he didn't want to expose it and get Green fired, not expecting Green would unmask himself?)
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