History Fridge / BlackButler

8th Apr '16 7:17:14 PM M4r4
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** Going more into this [[SarcasmMode lovely]] topic, while Ciel has certainly showed disgust with these particular actions nobody (not even Wolfram or Sebastian) has really made a major move in trying to get Sieglinde to cease with the inappropriate behavior. Not even [[spoiler: now that she's residing in England.]]
19th Dec '15 11:25:15 AM ichigoare
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*** Given Undertaker's backstory, the above theory holds considerable credibility. If these people really were to be forgiven based on the deeds they perform as shinigami, [[spoiler: leaving the organization before earning that forgiveness would probably get one sent straight to hell. Since Undertaker seems to have suffered few, if any, repercussions in the long term for abandoning his duties before earning forgiveness, perhaps the shinigami have no forgiveness to earn...]]
30th Oct '15 11:00:17 PM ErsatzArcana
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* Elizabeth's mother Frances knows that Ciel will protect [[DamselInDistress Elizabeth]] at all costs, but she also relizes that Ciel is [[DistressedDude not all that skilled in combat]]. Why was she so sure of her daughter's survival? [[spoiler: Because her [[DeliberatelyDistressedDamsel daughter]] is just as [[LittleMissBadass skilled]] in [[DualWielding swordsmanship]] as the rest of her [[BadassFamily family]] and thereby is perfectly capable of handling herself.]]

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* Elizabeth's mother Frances knows that Ciel will protect [[DamselInDistress Elizabeth]] at all costs, but she also relizes realizes that Ciel is [[DistressedDude not all that skilled in combat]]. Why was she so sure of her daughter's survival? [[spoiler: Because her [[DeliberatelyDistressedDamsel daughter]] is just as [[LittleMissBadass skilled]] in [[DualWielding swordsmanship]] as the rest of her [[BadassFamily family]] and thereby is perfectly capable of handling herself.]]



* Ciel and Lizzie have always been perfect [[{{foil}} foils]] to each other, both before and after the reveal that [[spoiler: Lizzie is an excellent swordswoman]] since her introduction shows how utterly spoiled and childish she was despite being a year older than Ciel because she ''is'' a normal noble child while he is more reserved and mature as a result of his past trauma and his new responsibilities as a noble. Bonus points since while acting much younger than she is made Lizzie an little more than an annoying child to Ciel and the audience out of universe, ''Ciel'' is seen the same way by some of the people he works with in universe because he keeps acting much older than he really is. After the reveal [[spoiler: she is the [[ActionGirl gifted]] [[LadyOfWar swordswoman]] [[ThePowerOfLove driven]] by [[LoveMakesYouDumb love]] to act as [[LoveMartyr something she isn't]] for the sake of her future with Ciel, while he is a [[NonActionGuy young]] [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] [[ThePowerOfHate driven]] by [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil hate]] to try and [[LoveMakesYouEvil avenge his family]] while giving up his future in the process.]]

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* Ciel and Lizzie have always been perfect [[{{foil}} foils]] to each other, both before and after the reveal that [[spoiler: Lizzie is an excellent swordswoman]] since her swordswoman.]] Her introduction shows how utterly spoiled and childish she was was, despite being a year older than Ciel because she ''is'' a normal noble child child, while he is more reserved and mature as a result of his past trauma and his new responsibilities as a noble. Bonus points since while acting much younger than she is made Lizzie an and little more than an annoying child to Ciel and the audience out of universe, ''Ciel'' is seen the same way by some of the people he works with in universe because he keeps acting much older than he really is. After the reveal [[spoiler: she is the [[ActionGirl gifted]] [[LadyOfWar swordswoman]] [[ThePowerOfLove driven]] by [[LoveMakesYouDumb love]] to act as [[LoveMartyr something she isn't]] for the sake of her future with Ciel, while he is a [[NonActionGuy young]] [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] [[ThePowerOfHate driven]] by [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil hate]] to try and [[LoveMakesYouEvil avenge his family]] while giving up his future in the process.]]



* Again during the murder mystery arc, Phelps seems to recognize Lau, and even looks afraid of him. Phelps works in international trading, as does Lau. Once we learn that [[spoiler: Ciel planned out each murder from the start]], it becomes more likely that [[spoiler: Ciel had Phelps killed because Lau wanted him out of the way.]] Although [[spoiler: Snake's]] involvement surprised everyone, one has to remember that [[spoiler: Sebastian]] went to Phelps' room for no apparent reason, and then it seems like [[spoiler: Ciel's "explanation" of Phelps being killed accidentally via an attempt on Ciel's life]] makes one wonder if [[spoiler: Sebastian]] had gone to that room to [[spoiler: kill Phelps,]] and pleasantly found the job already done.

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* Again during the murder mystery arc, Phelps seems to recognize Lau, Lau and even looks afraid of him. Phelps works in international trading, as does Lau. Once we learn that [[spoiler: Ciel planned out each murder from the start]], it becomes more likely that [[spoiler: Ciel had Phelps killed because Lau wanted him out of the way.]] Although [[spoiler: Snake's]] involvement surprised everyone, one has to remember that [[spoiler: Sebastian]] went to Phelps' room for no apparent reason, and then it seems like [[spoiler: Ciel's "explanation" of Phelps being killed accidentally via an attempt on Ciel's life]] makes one wonder if [[spoiler: Sebastian]] had gone to that room to [[spoiler: kill Phelps,]] and pleasantly found the job already done.



* Lizzie having enough strenght to break Ciel's ring has sense. [[spoiler: She has been trained in swordmanship since she was a child so she must have strong arms an hands.]]

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* Lizzie having enough strenght strength to break Ciel's ring has makes sense. [[spoiler: She has been trained in swordmanship swordsmanship since she was a child so she must have strong arms an and hands.]]



** Finny's vague past as a whole. [[spoiler: Scientific experimentation back then was horrible enough on animals. Now imagine it being done to a cute, innocent child. And if anyone's familiar with some of the newer SyFy movies with the same theme of experimentation, there are other terrible tests involved...]]

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** Finny's vague past as a whole. [[spoiler: Scientific experimentation back then was horrible enough on animals. Now imagine it being done to a cute, innocent child. And if anyone's familiar with some of the newer SyFy sci-fi movies with the same theme of experimentation, there are other terrible tests involved...]]



* So we know that during the Muder Mystery Arc [[spoiler: Snake]] attempted to kill [[spoiler: Ciel]]. But [[spoiler: he]] did so when all [[spoiler: he]] knew was that [[spoiler: his circus friends disappeared shortly after Ciel and Sebastian also did]]. While [[spoiler: his]] suspicions were correct, [[spoiler: Snake]] had no confirmation and no evidence, only a few hints, that [[spoiler: Ciel]] was responsible. Yes, there's enough evidence for [[spoiler: Snake]] to suspect [[spoiler: Ciel and Sebastain]] are guilty. Yet [[spoiler:he]] is so completely convinced that [[spoiler: he's]] guessed correctly, [[spoiler: Snake]] basically elected [[spoiler:him]]self to be judge, jury and executioner for someone [[spoiler: he]] barely knew, based on very little evidence. Oh, and when you think about it, [[spoiler: Snake sent the vipers after Ciel, a thirteen year old, instead of Sebastian, a full grown adult, when both had appeared and disappeared under the same mysterious circumstances. Most people would guess that Sebastian was the mastermind and Ciel his accomplice, or at best his apprentice, but not Snake.]] Perhaps Yana Toboso wanted [[spoiler: Snake]] to be FunctionalGenreSavvy, but when you think about the context [[spoiler: he]] comes across as AxCrazy and self-righteous instead.

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* So we know that during the Muder Murder Mystery Arc [[spoiler: Snake]] attempted to kill [[spoiler: Ciel]]. But [[spoiler: he]] did so when all [[spoiler: he]] knew was that [[spoiler: his circus friends disappeared shortly after Ciel and Sebastian also did]]. While [[spoiler: his]] suspicions were correct, [[spoiler: Snake]] had no confirmation and no evidence, only a few hints, that [[spoiler: Ciel]] was responsible. Yes, there's enough evidence for [[spoiler: Snake]] to suspect [[spoiler: Ciel and Sebastain]] Sebastian]] are guilty. Yet [[spoiler:he]] is so completely convinced that [[spoiler: he's]] guessed correctly, [[spoiler: Snake]] basically elected [[spoiler:him]]self to be judge, jury and executioner for someone [[spoiler: he]] barely knew, based on very little evidence. Oh, and when you think about it, [[spoiler: Snake sent the vipers after Ciel, a thirteen year old, instead of Sebastian, a full grown adult, when both had appeared and disappeared under the same mysterious circumstances. Most people would guess that Sebastian was the mastermind and Ciel his accomplice, or at best his apprentice, but not Snake.]] Perhaps Yana Toboso wanted [[spoiler: Snake]] to be FunctionalGenreSavvy, but when you think about the context [[spoiler: he]] comes across as AxCrazy and self-righteous instead.



** An possible explanation to this could be that [[spoiler: Ciel simply never obtained his revenge during his life, most likely due to being murdered by possibly the same organization that killed his family and tortured him. It could explain why Sebastian told Shiori that there would be "complications" in the event that she is murdered and that he wanted her soul to be "darker than black" before he eats it. He's been waiting for too long, and he now wants an award that would put Ciel's soul to shame. Though, how come this has now lasted for four generations (implying that Ernest and Shiori's father had the same fate) now is still very questionable.]]
* The reveal of the shinigamis [[spoiler: being humans who were DrivenToSuicide]]. The implications are horrorific:

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** An A possible explanation to this could be that [[spoiler: Ciel simply never obtained his revenge during his life, most likely due to being murdered by possibly the same organization that killed his family and tortured him. It could explain why Sebastian told Shiori that there would be "complications" in the event that she is murdered and that he wanted her soul to be "darker than black" before he eats it. He's been waiting for too long, and he now wants an award that would put Ciel's soul to shame. Though, how come this has now lasted for four generations (implying that Ernest and Shiori's father had the same fate) now is still very questionable.]]
* The reveal of the shinigamis [[spoiler: being humans who were DrivenToSuicide]]. The implications are horrorific:horrific:



** Then, there is just [[spoiler: the punishment itself. The main point of becoming shinigami was to expose those who committed suicide to death on a daily basis until they are forgiven. Not only does this make them see the loss of life and all of the opportunities lost with it (opportunities that they deprived themselves from), but they are also not allowed to intervene and prevent a dated death that does not have any "remarks" on its records no matter the consequences. Although this is really not a problem for much of the shinigami (notably Grell and Sascha), it could still be quite horrible for others.]]

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** Then, there is just [[spoiler: the punishment itself. The main point of becoming shinigami Shinigami was to expose those who committed suicide to death on a daily basis until they are forgiven. Not only does this make them see the loss of life and all of the opportunities lost with it (opportunities that they deprived themselves from), but they are also not allowed to intervene and prevent a dated death that does not have any "remarks" on its records no matter the consequences. Although this is really not a problem for much of the shinigami Shinigami (notably Grell and Sascha), it could still be quite horrible for others.]]
27th Oct '15 9:26:58 AM M4r4
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* And then there's the question of whether or not a person can be forgiven and not just told that and doomed to be a reaper forever.

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* ** And then there's the question of whether or not a person can be forgiven and not just told that and doomed to be a reaper forever.
27th Oct '15 9:25:49 AM M4r4
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* And then there's the question of whether or not a person can be forgiven and not just told that and doomed to be a reaper forever.
24th Jul '15 3:48:26 PM M4r4
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* And then there is what happened to Alan and Eric. Since [[spoiler: they were killed before being forgiven,]] does this mean that [[spoiler: they were ultimately thrown into Hell?]]

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* ** And then there is what happened to Alan and Eric. Since [[spoiler: they were killed before being forgiven,]] does this mean that [[spoiler: they were ultimately thrown into Hell?]]
24th Jul '15 3:47:49 PM M4r4
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* And then there is what happened to Alan and Eric. Since [[spoiler: they were killed before being forgiven,]] does this mean that [[spoiler: they were ultimately thrown into Hell?]]
30th Jun '15 10:45:08 PM silkywishes
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\n* Many of the first-stringers from Noah's Ark Circus have some sort of disability or deformity, but we're never told what Peter and Wendy have. But looking back on the flashbacks, we can see that they're about the same size as they are in present (compared to everyone else, who have all clearly grown). Peter also has a surprisingly mature voice for someone of his stature. This makes it seem very likely that they have some sort of growth disorder. This also explains where they might have gotten their names: from the story of Peter Pan, the boy who never grew up.

17th Jun '15 12:27:24 PM M4r4
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** This troper, at least, is completely terrified by what this implies for Will. Since he's the most stoic of the Shinigami we've seen so far, what would have been able to push him so far over the edge? Or maybe his stoicness is a trait he adopted to deal with having to be a Shinigami. Plus, his diligence suddenly becomes tragic when you realize he probably just wants to be 'forgiven' as quickly as he can so he can just be dead...

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** This troper, at least, is completely terrified by what this implies for Will. Since he's the most stoic of the Shinigami we've seen so far, what would have been able to push him so far over the edge? Or maybe his stoicness is a trait he adopted to deal with having to be a Shinigami. Plus, his diligence suddenly becomes tragic when you realize he probably just wants to be 'forgiven' as quickly as he can so he can just be dead...
dead...
** This also brings to mind the exam that shingami must pass; going from the revelation, failing the exam might ultimately result in [[spoiler: the person being thrown into Hell.]]
10th Jun '15 11:16:57 AM ichigoare
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** This troper, at least, is completely terrified by what this implies for Will. Since he's the most stoic of the Shinigami we've seen so far, what would have been able to push him so far over the edge? Or maybe his stoicness is a trait he adopted to deal with having to be a Shinigami. Plus, his diligence suddenly becomes tragic when you realize he probably just wants to be 'forgiven' as quickly as he can so he can just be dead...
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