History Fridge / BeautyAndTheBeast

12th Aug '17 11:27:42 AM LiveInTheMind
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***And maybe the reason she went to touch the rose wasn't because of curiosity, but because she thought it would break the curse on the castle.
3rd Aug '17 11:59:21 AM EmpressMatilda
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** Not to mention, before reliable transportation, hospitality was an incredibly important thing, especially in more rural and remote areas, like the heavily forested castle. In these days, it would be absolutely unthinkable to turn away a guest.
29th Jul '17 10:31:05 PM NOYB
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** They were turned into what the were using or love, they probably just merged with the already standing appliance and when the curse was broken everything turned back to normal and the tools were restored. Think about how the outside of the castle also changed to show everything was truly back to the way it was before.
* Does the Beast really deserve his punishment? Sure, let's be clear -- as we see from the sequel, he ''is'' an absolute douchebag, but he's a teen and its either douchebaggery or angst. But the first thing parents do -- hell, even the servants would do it if they raised him -- is to tell him "don't let people in, they could try and kill you or poison you or have the plague and infect and kill us all!" so in sending her away, the Beast is ''not'' being a douchebag; he's ''protecting everyone else in the castle from plague, poison or a possible killer'' and the Enchantress curses him because he turned her away (not knowing she was an enchantress) and because she could. And, ironically, the servants ''were'' right; she ''did'' poison them -- with her curse, which led to ''him'' dying and, eventually, ''them'' dying as inanimate objects forever.

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** They were turned into what the they were using or love, love; they probably just merged with the already standing already-standing appliance and when the curse was broken everything turned back to normal and the tools were restored. Think about how the outside of the castle also changed to show everything was truly back to the way it was before.
* Does the Beast really deserve his punishment? Sure, let's be clear -- as we see from the sequel, he ''is'' an absolute douchebag, but he's a teen and its it's either douchebaggery or angst. But the first thing parents do -- hell, even the servants would do it if they raised him -- is to tell him "don't let people in, they could try and kill you or poison you or have the plague and infect and kill us all!" so in sending her away, the Beast is ''not'' being a douchebag; he's ''protecting everyone else in the castle from plague, poison or a possible killer'' and the Enchantress curses him because he turned her away (not knowing she was an enchantress) and because she could. And, ironically, the servants ''were'' right; she ''did'' poison them -- with her curse, which led to ''him'' dying and, eventually, ''them'' dying as inanimate objects forever.forever.
** That wasn't his motivation, and she looked like a harmless old woman who would surely have died of exposure if turned away.




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** The live-action adaptation explains this with forgetting being part of the curse.
29th Jul '17 10:27:52 PM NOYB
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** That's assuming the story is set shortly before the French Revolution. If its set in, say, the early 1700s there won't be anything to worry about for a long time. And if you take Belle's cameo in Hunchback of Notre Dame as cannon then it averts that particular horror completely.

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** That's assuming the story is set shortly before the French Revolution. If its set in, say, the early 1700s there won't be anything to worry about for a long time. And if you take Belle's cameo in Hunchback of Notre Dame as cannon canon then it averts that particular horror completely.



** Or simpler still the curse hasn't lasted a Decade, but just a couple years.

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** Or simpler still still, the curse hasn't lasted a Decade, but just a couple years.



* All the furniture is alive, they are transformed humans. The beast sometimes starts breaking stuff when he is angry. The West Wing is filled with broken furniture (hopefully the living ones vacated the premises whenever he had a tantrum... ''hopefully''.) All the furniture in Belle's ''bedroom'' (in addition to the wardrobe) [[ParanoiaFuel is probably alive.]]

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* All the furniture is alive, they are transformed humans. The beast Beast sometimes starts breaking stuff when he is angry. The West Wing is filled with broken furniture (hopefully the living ones vacated the premises whenever he had a tantrum... ''hopefully''.) All the furniture in Belle's ''bedroom'' (in addition to the wardrobe) [[ParanoiaFuel is probably alive.]]



*** [[ValuesDissonance At that time in history, the only reason she had a choice was because her father let her, and anything a man did to his wife couldn't be considered rape. Let us remember that, in times long passed, women were more or less pieces of property. Women like Belle ended up married to men like Gaston all the time.]]

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*** [[ValuesDissonance At that time in history, the only reason she had a choice was because her father let her, and anything a man did to his wife couldn't be considered rape. Let us remember that, in times long passed, past, women were more or less pieces of property. Women like Belle ended up married to men like Gaston all the time.]]



*** There would have been inanimate objects in the castle before the curse, including the unmentionable stuff. The bathtub and the dining room table weren't enchanted, for example. besides, Belle and the Beast would be the only two inhabitants of the castle who would have to deal with that sort of thing while the curse was in effect.

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*** There would have been inanimate objects in the castle before the curse, including the unmentionable stuff. The bathtub and the dining room table weren't enchanted, for example. besides, Besides, Belle and the Beast would be the only two inhabitants of the castle who would have to deal with that sort of thing while the curse was in effect.



** If the castle's staff was transformed into the object they were using and considering that, at this time, people crapped in buckets, what happened to the guy whose job was to emptying those buckets into the forest ?
** Gaston seemed to be the best hunter of the village considering all his trophies. So, now that he's dead and since, at the end of the movie, there seems to be a very harsh winter, the villagers will probably starve to death and so will the people of the castle, since they need to eat again.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G4Vby3qanA link to the video here]] (unfortunatly, it's in French)

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** If the castle's staff was were transformed into the object they were using and considering that, at this time, people crapped in buckets, what happened to the guy whose job was to emptying those buckets into the forest ?
** Gaston seemed to be the best hunter of the village village, considering all his trophies. So, now that he's dead and since, at the end of the movie, there seems to be a very harsh winter, the villagers will probably starve to death and so will the people of the castle, since they need to eat again.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G4Vby3qanA link to the video here]] (unfortunatly, (unfortunately, it's in French)



* Seeing how much the villagers, especially the bimbettes fawned over Gaston, you can only imagine [[DrivenToSuicide the worst]] for many of them once the learn about his death.

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* Seeing how much the villagers, especially the bimbettes bimbettes, fawned over Gaston, you can only imagine [[DrivenToSuicide the worst]] for many of them once the learn about his death.



* So the Beast let Belle go, because he loves her, how romantic. Except for, uhm the hundreds of other lives in the balance. If Belle hadn't come back then what's would have stopped them from turning against their master in anger now that all hope was gone, much like the Village had done against Belle?

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* So the Beast let Belle go, because he loves her, how romantic. Except for, uhm the hundreds of other lives in the balance. If Belle hadn't come back then what's what would have stopped them from turning against their master in anger now that all hope was gone, much like the Village had done against Belle?Belle?
** The fact that they're good people who wouldn't murder a guy for respecting a woman's wishes?
29th Jul '17 10:16:37 PM NOYB
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* How about a simple one that also demonstrates FridgeBrilliance: A making-of video (watch it right [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJX0EoHx3w8&feature=related here]]) reveals that if Mrs. Potts jumped on to the hard floor from a high place, she would crack/shatter. The animators [[HandWave resolved]] this by adding a soft cushion to support her fall. ''Problem solved!''

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* How about a simple one that also demonstrates FridgeBrilliance: A making-of video (watch it right [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJX0EoHx3w8&feature=related here]]) reveals that if Mrs. Potts jumped on to onto the hard floor from a high place, she would crack/shatter. The animators [[HandWave resolved]] this by adding a soft cushion to support her fall. ''Problem solved!''



** Actually not all the magical servants were human to begin with, the reason why the cutlery and plates etc could move was because of the servants themselves where controlling them, the castle is implied to possess telekinetic magic to help the servants with their daily duties.

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** Actually not all the magical servants were human to begin with, the reason why the cutlery and plates etc etc. could move was because of the servants themselves where controlling them, them; the castle is implied to possess telekinetic magic to help the servants with their daily duties.



** I don't think its set in the LATE 18th century or that its all that clear at all. Gaston's gun suggests to me an earlier time than that, such as the 1600s or early 1700s at the very latest. It appears to be his only firearm (I don't see a musket in the tavern, which I sometimes suspect he owns). Such a great hunter, in my opinion, would want something more accurate than that thing (the barrel's flaying out, while useful for a good spread while shooting birds, throws accuracy out the window). Of course all this is just speculation, but I don't see any signs of it being right before the French Revolution.

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** I don't think its set in the LATE 18th century or that its it's all that clear at all. Gaston's gun suggests to me an earlier time than that, such as the 1600s or early 1700s at the very latest. It appears to be his only firearm (I don't see a musket in the tavern, which I sometimes suspect he owns). Such a great hunter, in my opinion, would want something more accurate than that thing (the barrel's flaying out, while useful for a good spread while shooting birds, throws accuracy out the window). Of course all this is just speculation, but I don't see any signs of it being right before the French Revolution.
29th Jul '17 10:09:08 PM NOYB
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** WordOfGod: [[http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ina22/splaylib/Screenplay-Beauty_and_the_Beast.pdf The original screenplay of the movie written by Linda Woolverton]], the prologue directly mentions that the Prince was 11 years of age when he was cursed. The screenplay mentions that the Prince was the reigning monarch of the kingdom he lived in and that Lumière and Cogsworth (Not yet named) were his regents. As for the West Wing Portrait of him, portraits of King Edward Tudor (Edward VI) depict him as looking 18 years of age, when in reality, he was 13 years of age when it was painted, this was the case of children who were the reigning monarchs of their country.

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** WordOfGod: [[http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~ina22/splaylib/Screenplay-Beauty_and_the_Beast.pdf The original screenplay of the movie written by Linda Woolverton]], the prologue directly mentions that the Prince was 11 years of age when he was cursed. The screenplay mentions that the Prince was the reigning monarch of the kingdom he lived in and that Lumière and Cogsworth (Not (not yet named) were his regents. As for the West Wing Portrait of him, portraits of King Edward Tudor (Edward VI) depict him as looking 18 years of age, when in reality, he was 13 years of age when it was painted, this was the case of children who were the reigning monarchs of their country.
29th Jul '17 10:08:31 PM NOYB
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* If we go by the speculated timeline where the prince was cursed as an eleven-year-old and had only ten years to get someone to fall in love with him by his twenty first birthday, then the Enchantress' curse seems pretty harsh for a child. Consider this: If the prince acted so selfishly at that age, think of what he could have been like if he was never cursed. He would have inherited his kingdom and could very well have become a tyrant due to his selfish, apathetic and temperamental nature. Now the Enchantress' actions make way more sense since she saved many people from being ruled by a potential despot (although there is still the matter on why the prince's servants were cursed when they didn't do anything wrong...)

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* If we go by the speculated timeline where the prince was cursed as an eleven-year-old and had only ten years to get someone to fall in love with him by his twenty first birthday, then the Enchantress' Enchantress's curse seems pretty harsh for a child. Consider this: If if the prince acted so selfishly at that age, think of what he could have been like if he was never cursed. He would have inherited his kingdom and could very well have become a tyrant due to his selfish, apathetic and temperamental nature. Now the Enchantress' Enchantress's actions make way more sense since she saved many people from being ruled by a potential despot (although there is still the matter on why the prince's servants were cursed when they didn't do anything wrong...)



* I just realized an extra level or cruelty in the Enchantress' curse: His only window to he outside world is a magic mirror that will show him anything he wants, but in order to use it he has to look into it, seeing his reflection first. The Beast destroyed every other mirror in the West Wing so he doesn't ''have to'' look at himself. Every time he uses the mirror he has to confront what he's become.

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* I just realized an extra level or cruelty in the Enchantress' Enchantress's curse: His his only window to he outside world is a magic mirror that will show him anything he wants, but in order to use it he has to look into it, seeing his reflection first. The Beast destroyed every other mirror in the West Wing so he doesn't ''have to'' look at himself. Every time he uses the mirror he has to confront what he's become.
29th Jul '17 10:07:44 PM NOYB
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** If you truly think about it, only the servants and the servants children failed to age, not the poor Beast. The servants were all non-living objects that age in name only, not in look. Beast, as the only one cursed into another organic body could age. It makes perfect sense to this troper. Combine that with how the Beast is shown (in the extended version) to be only at the "decoding" stage of literacy (pronouncing the "w" in "two" as he's trying to read ''Romeo and Juliet'' back to Belle). Even nobles back then had limited reading ability at the age of 11, and that's if they even got reading lessons. Well, besides Belle, who's going to sit with the beast and teach him to read? Most of the servants doubtfully know how to read, and Beast was too impatient before Belle to learn from the ones that did.

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** If you truly think about it, only the servants and the servants servants' children failed to age, not the poor Beast. The servants were all non-living objects that age in name only, not in look. Beast, as the only one cursed into another organic body could age. It makes perfect sense to this troper. Combine that with how the Beast is shown (in the extended version) to be only at the "decoding" stage of literacy (pronouncing the "w" in "two" as he's trying to read ''Romeo and Juliet'' back to Belle). Even nobles back then had limited reading ability at the age of 11, and that's if they even got reading lessons. Well, besides Belle, who's going to sit with the beast and teach him to read? Most of the servants doubtfully know how to read, and Beast was too impatient before Belle to learn from the ones that did.
20th Jul '17 4:32:39 AM GothicProphet
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* As mentioned on the [[Funny/BeautyAndTheBeast Funny page]], Gaston sings about his love for Belle while pointing a gun at her. At first glance this is a funny moment ("How can ''that'' idiot be the best hunter?"). Then you realise that Gaston sees Belle as his prey, and that scene becomes {{Foreshadowing}} of how despicable [[{{Jerkass}} Gaston]] becomes and how little he truly cares for Belle.
16th Jun '17 2:53:52 PM GothicProphet
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The fact that this fairy tale was used as small comfort to girls forced into arranged marriages, and arguably deliberate propaganda to persuade people to continue the tradition of arranged marriage.

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The fact that this fairy tale was used as small comfort to girls forced into arranged marriages, and arguably deliberate propaganda to persuade people to continue the tradition of arranged marriage.marriage.
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