History Fridge / BeautyAndTheBeast

17th Mar '18 7:58:26 PM CthonisPrincess
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** We never actually see any indication of him being a tyrant, any time he gets angry in the film is because he has a good reason to be: Maurice literally breaks into his house, trespassing where I live definitely gets you jail time (Nevermind the servants because they aren't the ones who ''own'' the place) and the second time he gets angry is because Belle broke the ''single'' rule he set up for her.



** If you are looking at the stained glass in order to discern the prince's true age, you are looking in the wrong place. Depictions of people in stained glass are typically more symbolic rather than literal about a person's status. Besides, the attire worn by the prince in the stained glass seems to be more reflective of Medieval times rather than 18th century France (when the events of the film take place). I think the likeness of the prince, seen in the stained glass, is more of a symbol of his societal standing than of his actual appearance. If you are looking to the likeness of the prince in his torn portrait, I do see cause for confusion because he looks to be nearly the same age in the portrait as he does when he becomes human again (but maybe also slightly younger. Let's say . . . um . . . 17). This could possibly be a simple mistake on the portrait artist's part. There are many portraits in which the sitter is portrayed noticeably older (sometimes younger) than they actually are when the portrait is painted. This may be because the prince wished it (which would give him even more reason for ripping it; he thought he would never be able to live up to the expectations he created for himself when he ordered the portraitist to depict him in such a handsome, noble, striking way) or simply because the portraitist was not perfect in his craft and had a hard time depicting age. If you are also trying to figure out Chip's age, it is very possible that he is ten at the end of the story. This means that he was born human just before the spell was cast. This explains why he seems so comfortable being a little teacup and never mentions how much he misses being human, unlike the adult servants. In "Enchanted Christmas" Adam and Belle present Chip with a storybook, much like the one Lumiere presented Adam when he was only a year older than Chip. Maybe Adam sees this as a minor right of passage for Chip. Maybe Adam saw more in Lumiere's gift than he let on and this is why he thinks a storybook to be a good present for a pre-teen boy. I think the servants had been trying to calm Adam when he found his parents would be spending yet another Christmas in Paris instead of home with him. When none of them promised that they would make sure his parents would come home, he became stubborn and refused to show any thanks for the gifts offered to him. He chose to act out as a spoiled brat. However, this is only my opinion; the price's behaviour is up for interpretation. No matter what age the prince was when he was cursed, the animators did wish him to be 21 at the end of the story. This means that the Beast is 20 years (i.e. on their 21st year) of age by this point. This has been confirmed by Glen Keane, and also in the filmmakers commentary for the extended edition, where it is specifically stated that the Beast's/Prince'Adams 21st birthday would occur at some point after the enchanted rose has lost all of it's petals and the curse had either been broken, or else become permanent. One of the Disney animators described the beast as a normal 21 year old male- unsure of himself, nervous about love, and even with a hint of childish innocence- trapped in a hideous, formidable form.



** The clothes of the servants, the fancy dresses and the jewelry were historically accurate for Louis XVI's reign, if a bit simple and undecorated for Versailles' standards ([[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Louise_Elisabeth_Vigée-Lebrun_-_Marie-Antoinette_dit_«_à_la_Rose_»_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg this]] is what passed as everyday dress at Versailles at the time). As for Gaston's gun, he either enjoyed the challenge, couldn't afford a rifle (at the time guns cost ''a lot'') yet, or simply we never saw him in a situation warranting him to use a rifle and he wasn't stupid enough to keep the gun that cost the most to replace where someone could snitch it (I repeat, guns cost ''a lot'', and a rifled musket cost much more than a blunderbuss).

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** The clothes of According to these articles [[https://scarielsgrotto.com/2017/06/21/is-the-fashion-in-beauty-and-the-beast-historically-accurate-a-collab-with-blue-belle/]][[https://www.belleandthenovel.co.uk/single-post/2017/06/21/Beauty-and-the-Beast-Battle-of-the-Outfits-In-collaboration-scarielsgrotto]][[https://uproxx.com/hitfix/beauty-and-the-beast-french-revolution/]], the servants, film(s) has been analysed to have taken place right before 1740, which makes sense considering the fancy dresses fact that the original fairytale was published in that year. Meaning that there is ''49 years'' between the movie and the jewelry were historically accurate for Louis XVI's reign, if a bit simple and undecorated for Versailles' standards ([[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Louise_Elisabeth_Vigée-Lebrun_-_Marie-Antoinette_dit_«_à_la_Rose_»_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg this]] is what passed as everyday dress at Versailles at revolution. Also the time). As for Gaston's gun, he either enjoyed last source (Which focuses on the challenge, couldn't afford a rifle (at the time guns cost ''a lot'') yet, or simply we never saw him in a situation warranting him to use a rifle and he wasn't stupid enough to keep the gun Live Action Remake) explains that cost Prince Adam would be rather low on the most to replace where someone could snitch it (I repeat, guns cost ''a lot'', aristocracy hierarchy and a rifled musket cost much more than a blunderbuss).would therefore escape execution.



** According to these articles [[https://scarielsgrotto.com/2017/06/21/is-the-fashion-in-beauty-and-the-beast-historically-accurate-a-collab-with-blue-belle/]][[https://www.belleandthenovel.co.uk/single-post/2017/06/21/Beauty-and-the-Beast-Battle-of-the-Outfits-In-collaboration-scarielsgrotto]][[https://uproxx.com/hitfix/beauty-and-the-beast-french-revolution/]], the film(s) has been analysed to have taken place right before 1740, which makes sense considering the fact that the original fairytale was published in that year. Meaning that there is ''49 years'' between the movie and the revolution. Also the last source (Which focuses on the Live Action Remake) explains that Prince Adam would be rather low on the aristocracy hierarchy and would therefore escape execution.




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** If I were Prince Adam I'd be a little more concerned about the fact that some old woman has ''mysteriously'' gotten past the palace guards, ''mysteriously'' managed to acquire a rose (Those things were '''expensive''' during those days), meaning that she possibly stole one and most importantly, I'd be wondering wow did she get a rose in winter! In ''Winter''! Everyone who has a passing knowledge on botany knows that roses do not bloom in winter, they go dormant and lose their flowers and leaves in order to prepare for the coming springtime. Basically it's highly possible that he ''knew'' that she was an Enchantress and thats why he didn't let her in, in fact in the 'Enchanted Christmas' flashback he isn't all that surprised to learn that she was an Enchantress. Honestly, though, if a strange old woman came to YOUR home or apartment and asked to stay the night, would you EVER let her in, regardless of her appearance or the type of flower she offered? That'd be like me going up to the White House and saying, "Please give me shelter from the cold! In exchange, I humbly offer you this single 'Mets 2014 Season Schedule' refrigerator magnet. NO?? THERE IS NO LOVE IN YOUR HEART AND YOU MUST LEARN A LESSON!"


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*** This isn't the Middle Ages, there's no damn way into the castle. Also why didn't she ask one of the guards to let her stay in the stable or something.
** If I were Prince Adam I'd be a little more concerned about the fact that some old woman has ''mysteriously'' gotten past the palace guards, ''mysteriously'' managed to acquire a rose (Those things were '''expensive''' during those days), meaning that she possibly stole one and most importantly, I'd be wondering wow did she get a rose in winter! In ''Winter''! Everyone who has a passing knowledge on botany knows that roses do not bloom in winter, they go dormant and lose their flowers and leaves in order to prepare for the coming springtime. Basically it's highly possible that he ''knew'' that she was an Enchantress and thats why he didn't let her in, in fact in the 'Enchanted Christmas' flashback he isn't all that surprised to learn that she was an Enchantress. Honestly, though, if a strange old woman came to YOUR home or apartment and asked to stay the night, would you EVER let her in, regardless of her appearance or the type of flower she offered? That'd be like me going up to the White House and saying, "Please give me shelter from the cold! In exchange, I humbly offer you this single 'Mets 2014 Season Schedule' refrigerator magnet. NO?? THERE IS NO LOVE IN YOUR HEART AND YOU MUST LEARN A LESSON!"


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** According to "Belle's Magical World" there's regular deliveries to the castle.
10th Mar '18 2:47:16 AM Sphalerite58
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* Beast's decision to imprison Maurice suddenly makes sense, if one realizes that Maurice is an old guy, who, due to his inventor status, looks subtly like a wizard. Basically the male counterpart of the Enchantresse's original form. Beast decided to get back at these kinds of people by letting them stay, but only as prisoners.
16th Feb '18 12:20:23 AM TudorRose
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* The Broadway version of "Be Our Guest" has the lines "Singing pork! Dancing veal! / What an entertaining meal!" which, when you think about it, could imply that some of the castle staff were transformed into ''food''.

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* The Broadway stage version of "Be Our Guest" has the lines "Singing pork! Dancing veal! / What an entertaining meal!" which, when you think about it, could imply that some of the castle staff were transformed into ''food''.
16th Feb '18 12:18:32 AM TudorRose
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* The Broadway version of "Be Our Guest" has the lines "Singing pork! Dancing veal! / What an entertaining meal!" which, when you think about it, could imply that some of the castle staff were transformed into ''food''.
15th Feb '18 11:50:11 AM BluePeach
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* How about a simple one that also demonstrates FridgeBrilliance: A making-of video (watch it right [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJX0EoHx3w8&feature=related here]]) reveals that if Mrs. Potts jumped onto the hard floor from a high place, she would crack/shatter. The animators [[HandWave resolved]] this by adding a soft cushion to support her fall. ''Problem solved!''

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* How about a simple one that also demonstrates FridgeBrilliance: A making-of video (watch it right [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJX0EoHx3w8&feature=related [[https://youtu.be/BJX0EoHx3w8?t=6m here]]) reveals that if Mrs. Potts jumped onto the hard floor from a high place, she would crack/shatter. The animators [[HandWave resolved]] this by adding a soft cushion to support her fall. ''Problem solved!''
4th Dec '17 7:46:50 PM rememberthehood1941
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* Why does the Beast look concerned for Maurice when Belle sees him dying in the mirror? Given the time of period that has passed (the movie starts in autumn and ends at the beginning of spring) and how close they've become, chances are very good that the Beast and Belle did talk about her father at least once and the Beast would know how close the two of them are. His concern for Maurice is a reflection of his concern for Belle.

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* Why does the Beast look so concerned for Maurice when Belle sees him dying in the mirror? Given the time of period that has passed (the movie starts in autumn and ends at the beginning of spring) and how close they've become, chances are very good that the Beast and Belle did talk about her father at least once and the Beast would know how close the two of them are. His concern It also stands to reason that the Beast has grown to care for Maurice...and the Beast is aware that it's his fault that Maurice is a reflection of his concern for Belle.in the situation he's in.
30th Nov '17 5:09:41 PM fruitstripegum
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* I just realized an extra level or cruelty in the Enchantress's curse: his only window to he outside world is a magic mirror that will show him anything he wants, but in order to use it he has to look into it, seeing his reflection first. The Beast destroyed every other mirror in the West Wing so he doesn't ''have to'' look at himself. Every time he uses the mirror he has to confront what he's become.

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* I just realized an extra level or cruelty in the Enchantress's curse: his only window to he the outside world is a magic mirror that will show him anything he wants, but in order to use it he has to look into it, seeing his reflection first. The Beast destroyed every other mirror in the West Wing so he doesn't ''have to'' look at himself. Every time he uses the mirror he has to confront what he's become.
30th Nov '17 3:06:03 PM ChaosHeart77
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* More of a meta example: Belle is her town's resident bookworm. Belle's voice actress is Paige (page, [[DontExplainTheJoke as in a book]]) O'Hara.
2nd Nov '17 5:30:32 PM Sharlee
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** Well, maybe Disney will adapt ''Literature/TheScarletPimpernel'' in a few years and give Belle and Adam cameos among the people whom the hero brings safely to England.
1st Nov '17 7:23:49 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** Plus Belle's family is rich. She doesn't need to have a job and has the money and liesure time to spend all day reading.
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