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* Billy Blim's claim that all men have [[HeManWomanHater "primal misogyny"]] in them may seen like a bad aesop, but it makes more sense when you consider the idea that Billy simply views humanity through his own twisted lens and [[PsychologicalProjection assumes that all men think like him]].

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* Billy Blim's claim that all men have [[HeManWomanHater "primal misogyny"]] in them may seen like a bad aesop, but it makes more sense when you consider the idea that Billy simply [[EvilCannotComprehendGood views humanity through his own twisted lens lens]] and [[PsychologicalProjection assumes that all men think like him]].
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* Consider Fred's situation in "[[Recap/AngelS04E19MagicBullet Magic Bullet]]" alone, on the run, with the entire city after her. It seems to this troper like that bears a ''lot'' of similarities with her time in Pylea, she even ends up in another cave...

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* Consider Fred's situation in "[[Recap/AngelS04E19MagicBullet "[[Recap/AngelS04E19TheMagicBullet The Magic Bullet]]" alone, on the run, with the entire city after her. It seems to this troper like that bears a ''lot'' of similarities with her time in Pylea, she even ends up in another cave...
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* How come this show never got a MusicalEpisode like ''Buffy''? Well, only Creator/AndyHallett and Creator/JamesMarsters actually had singing ability, as shown by Angel "singing" "Mandy", Wesley, Cordelia and Gunn drunkenly singing "We Are the Champions", Fred nervously singing "Crazy" and Harmony's singing being so bad she should change her name to Cacophony.

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* How come this show never got a MusicalEpisode like ''Buffy''? Well, only Creator/AndyHallett and Creator/JamesMarsters actually had singing ability, as shown by Angel "singing" "Mandy", Wesley, Cordelia and Gunn drunkenly singing "We Are the Champions", Fred nervously singing "Crazy" and Harmony's singing being so bad she should change her name to Cacophony.
Cacophony, to say nothing of Cordelia's butchering of "The Greatest Love of All".
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* If you just watch ''Buffy'', you have to how the world has lasted this long, given that TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt always seems imminent...then you watch ''Angel'', and find out that Wolfram and Hart are behind almost every evil thing on either show, and '''they don't want to win''', meaning that all of Buffy's enemies are being [[UnwittingPawn played for suckers.]]

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* If you just watch ''Buffy'', you have to wonder how the world has lasted this long, given that TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt always seems imminent...then you watch ''Angel'', and find out that Wolfram and Hart are behind almost every evil thing on either show, and '''they don't want to win''', meaning that all of Buffy's enemies are being [[UnwittingPawn played for suckers.]]

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\n[[AC:FridgeHorror]]* How come this show never got a MusicalEpisode like ''Buffy''? Well, only Creator/AndyHallett and Creator/JamesMarsters actually had singing ability, as shown by Angel "singing" "Mandy", Wesley, Cordelia and Gunn drunkenly singing "We Are the Champions", Fred nervously singing "Crazy" and Harmony's singing being so bad she should change her name to Cacophony.

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* Rewatching both this show and Buffy made me realize the parallels between "Surprise"/"Innocence" (Buffy Season 2, episodes 13-14) and "Reprise"/"Epiphany" (Angel Season 2, episodes 15-16).
** Both Surprise and Reprise end with Angel rushing out into the rain after sleeping with Buffy/Darla.
** In Surprise, Angel achieves perfect happiness. In Reprise, Angel achieves "perfect despair".
** Innocence is when Angel becomes a villain for the rest of Buffy season 2. Epiphany is when Angel changes from the darker direction he has been going ever since Darla was made into a vampire again.

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* Rewatching both this show and Buffy ''Buffy'' made me realize the parallels between "Surprise"/"Innocence" "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS2E13Surprise Surprise]]"[=/=]"[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS2E14Innocence Innocence]]" (Buffy Season 2, episodes 13-14) and "Reprise"/"Epiphany" "[[Recap/AngelS02E15Reprise Reprise]]"[=/=]"[[Recap/AngelS02E16Epiphany Epiphany]]" (Angel Season 2, episodes 15-16).
** Both Surprise "Surprise" and Reprise "Reprise" end with Angel rushing out into the rain after sleeping with Buffy/Darla.
** In Surprise, "Surprise", Angel achieves perfect happiness. In Reprise, "Reprise", Angel achieves "perfect despair".
** Innocence "Innocence" is when Angel becomes a villain for the rest of Buffy ''Buffy'' season 2. Epiphany "Epiphany" is when Angel changes from the darker direction he has been going ever since Darla was made into a vampire again.




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* Season two ends with the Fang Gang returning from their adventure in Pylea only to find Willow there to break the news of Buffy's death. I was wondering why she couldn't have just called them. Then I realised that while Buffy and co. were dealing with Glory, Angel and his crew were in Pylea and thus would have been unreachable, so Willow had to go and deliver the news personally.



* A bit more Fridge tearjerker than horror, but the scenario presented by "[[Recap/AngelS05E20TheGirlInQuestion The Girl In Question]]" must have been severely painful to Spike. Think about it; when he was with Buffy while soulless, he spent it being beaten, used and dehumanized. Now, less than a year after his "death", he's told that Buffy has "fallen for" some other soulless demon, and they ''cuddle'' and act like a real couple. Pretty heartbreaking for the AscendedDemon who did the unthinkable and sought a soul for her--no wonder the poor guy spends the whole episode moping that he had no real chance with her in the first place.

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* A bit more Fridge tearjerker TearJerker than horror, but the scenario presented by "[[Recap/AngelS05E20TheGirlInQuestion The Girl In Question]]" must have been severely painful to Spike. Think about it; when he was with Buffy while soulless, he spent it being beaten, used and dehumanized. Now, less than a year after his "death", he's told that Buffy has "fallen for" some other soulless demon, and they ''cuddle'' and act like a real couple. Pretty heartbreaking for the AscendedDemon who did the unthinkable and sought a soul for her--no wonder the poor guy spends the whole episode moping that he had no real chance with her in the first place.



* Consider Fred's situation in ''Magic Bullet'' alone, on the run, with the entire city after her. It seems to this troper like that bears a ''lot'' of similarities with her time in Pylea, she even ends up in another cave...

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* Consider Fred's situation in ''Magic Bullet'' "[[Recap/AngelS04E19MagicBullet Magic Bullet]]" alone, on the run, with the entire city after her. It seems to this troper like that bears a ''lot'' of similarities with her time in Pylea, she even ends up in another cave...
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* Lorne has read Lindsey before. How long did he know that eventually, he was going to kill him?

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* Angel is angry that Spike got a soul and only angsted for a week while he has been suffering for over a century. This is because of how they got their souls. Spike went and had his soul magically implanted back into him. Angel was cursed with his soul so that he would forever be tormented by all he had done. It is virtually impossible for Angel to ever truly process and move on because the curse locks him into feeling like he can never atone for his crimes.



* Angel is angry that Spike got a soul and only angsted for a week while he has been suffering for over a century. This is because of how they got their souls. Spike went and had his soul magically implanted back into him. Angel was cursed with his soul so that he would forever be tormented by all he had done. It is virtually impossible for Angel to ever truly process and move on because the curse locks him into feeling like he can never atone for his crimes.



* Everyone critisizes goofs on both shows where Angel breaths heavily when he's emotional (since vampires don't have to breath to survive/don't have functioning lungs), but it has been shown that they can choose to breath (e.g. Spike can smoke) what if Angel is just so overdramatc that he ''chooses'' to breath heavily even though he doesn't have to?

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** Billy's belief is also disproven when his touch fails to affect Angel.
* Everyone critisizes criticizes goofs on both shows where Angel breaths heavily when he's emotional (since vampires don't have to breath to survive/don't have functioning lungs), but it has been shown that they can choose to breath (e.g. Spike can smoke) what if Angel is just so overdramatc overdramatic that he ''chooses'' to breath heavily even though he doesn't have to?




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* Rewatching both this show and Buffy made me realize the parallels between "Surprise"/"Innocence" (Buffy Season 2, episodes 13-14) and "Reprise"/"Epiphany" (Angel Season 2, episodes 15-16).
** Both Surprise and Reprise end with Angel rushing out into the rain after sleeping with Buffy/Darla.
** In Surprise, Angel achieves perfect happiness. In Reprise, Angel achieves "perfect despair".
** Innocence is when Angel becomes a villain for the rest of Buffy season 2. Epiphany is when Angel changes from the darker direction he has been going ever since Darla was made into a vampire again.
** Both Buffy and Darla are hurt and shocked by Angel's reaction and treatment of them after sex. For Buffy, it's because this is her first time and she's hurt at being treated so callously. For Darla, she's shocked Angel wasn't happy but brings up her own sexual past in disbelief.
** Neither is killed by Angel(us) but for different reasons. Angelus wants to hurt Buffy further while Angel spares Darla out of pity.
** Both ask "Was I not good enough?"
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* Bill Blim's claim that all men have [[HeManWomanHater "primal misogyny"]] in them may seen like a bad aesop, but it makes more sense when you consider the idea that Billy simply views humanity through his own twisted lens and assumes that all men think like him.

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* Bill Billy Blim's claim that all men have [[HeManWomanHater "primal misogyny"]] in them may seen like a bad aesop, but it makes more sense when you consider the idea that Billy simply views humanity through his own twisted lens and [[PsychologicalProjection assumes that all men think like him.him]].
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* Angel gives up his humanity to prevent Buffy dying to protect him. While ostensibly this allows Angel to save lots more innocents, it means that if Buffy died to protect him then she wouldn't be around to sacrifice herself to save the world from Glory.
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* Consider Fred's situation in ''Magic Bullet'' alone, on the run, with the entire city after her. It seems to this troper like that bears a ''lot'' of similarities with her time in Pylea, she even ends up in another cave...
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* Wesley's fears about Angel killing Connor are a lot more understandable when you consider the curse, Angel loses his soul if he gets true happiness and he was very happy when he was fawning over his son...

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* Everyone critisizes goofs on both shows where Angel breaths heavily when he's emotional (since vampires don't have to breath to survive/don't have funcioning lungs), but it has been shown that they can choose to breath (e.g. Spike can smoke) what if Angel is just so overdramatc that he ''chooses'' to breath heavily even though he doesn't have to?

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* Everyone critisizes goofs on both shows where Angel breaths heavily when he's emotional (since vampires don't have to breath to survive/don't have funcioning functioning lungs), but it has been shown that they can choose to breath (e.g. Spike can smoke) what if Angel is just so overdramatc that he ''chooses'' to breath heavily even though he doesn't have to? to?
** It could possibly be involuntary too. Vampires still have human brains, and the human brain instinctually keeps us breathing even when we're not thinking about it. Maybe Angel breathes simply because his brain tells him he should be?


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* A bit more Fridge tearjerker than horror, but the scenario presented by "[[Recap/AngelS05E20TheGirlInQuestion The Girl In Question]]" must have been severely painful to Spike. Think about it; when he was with Buffy while soulless, he spent it being beaten, used and dehumanized. Now, less than a year after his "death", he's told that Buffy has "fallen for" some other soulless demon, and they ''cuddle'' and act like a real couple. Pretty heartbreaking for the AscendedDemon who did the unthinkable and sought a soul for her--no wonder the poor guy spends the whole episode moping that he had no real chance with her in the first place.
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* Bill Blim's claim that all men have [[HeManWomanHater "primal misogyny"]] in them may seen like a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, but it makes more sense when you consider the idea that Billy simply views humanity through his own twisted lens and assumes that all men think like him.

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* Bill Blim's claim that all men have [[HeManWomanHater "primal misogyny"]] in them may seen like a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, bad aesop, but it makes more sense when you consider the idea that Billy simply views humanity through his own twisted lens and assumes that all men think like him.
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* In "[[Recap/AngelS02E01Judgment Judgment]]", Angel singing "Mandy" in his first karaoke at Lorne's club becomes pretty sad when you listen to the actual lyrics of Mandy. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/barrymanilow/mandy.html Sound like a certain vampire's relationship to a certain slayer...and later on to a certain brunette named Cordelia.

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* In "[[Recap/AngelS02E01Judgment Judgment]]", Angel singing "Mandy" in his first karaoke at Lorne's club becomes pretty sad when you listen to the actual lyrics of Mandy. http://www.[[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/barrymanilow/mandy.html the actual lyrics]]. Sound like a certain vampire's relationship to a certain slayer...and later on to a certain brunette named Cordelia.

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* If you’re wondering how John Stoler saw Jasmine for what she really was, when he was in the back of the crowd and it’s established in-universe that only exposure to Jasmine’s blood breaks her hold on you: Stoler ran into the vampire who had Jasmine’s blood on him before joining the crowd, this breaking her hold on him preemptively!

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* If you’re you're wondering how John Stoler saw Jasmine for what she really was, was in "[[Recap/AngelS04E18ShinyHappyPeople Shiny Happy People]]", when he was in the back of the crowd and it’s established in-universe that only exposure to Jasmine’s Jasmine's blood breaks her hold on you: Stoler ran into the vampire who had Jasmine’s blood on him before joining the crowd, this breaking her hold on him preemptively!



* Angel singing "Mandy" in his first karaoke at Lorne's club becomes pretty sad when you listen to the actual lyrics of Mandy. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/barrymanilow/mandy.html Sound like a certain vampire's relationship to a certain slayer...and later on to a certain brunette named Cordelia.

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* In "[[Recap/AngelS02E01Judgment Judgment]]", Angel singing "Mandy" in his first karaoke at Lorne's club becomes pretty sad when you listen to the actual lyrics of Mandy. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/barrymanilow/mandy.html Sound like a certain vampire's relationship to a certain slayer...and later on to a certain brunette named Cordelia.



* For the longest time, never understood Lorne's power. A) is he an empath or an oracle? B) why does his precognition never help with the threat of the week? Then it occurred to me that the answer to both is that he is an empath. Judging from his successful cases, he doesn't issue big dramatic prophecies, he just offers valuable life help. And why is this? Because he's from a place where everyone's all about dramatic prophecies, heroism, and the like... and has decided that it has no rhythm.

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* For the longest time, I never understood Lorne's power. A) is he an empath or an oracle? B) why does his precognition never help with the threat of the week? Then it occurred to me that the answer to both is that he is an empath. Judging from his successful cases, he doesn't issue big dramatic prophecies, he just offers valuable life help. And why is this? Because he's from a place where everyone's all about dramatic prophecies, heroism, and the like... and has decided that it has no rhythm.



* Everyone critisizes goofs on both 'Buffy' and 'Angel' where Angel breaths heavily when he's emotional (since vampires don't have to breath to survive/don't have funcioning lungs), but it has been shown that they can choose to breath (e.g. Spike can smoke) what if Angel is just so overdramatc that he ''chooses'' to breath heavily even though he doesn't have to?

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* Everyone critisizes goofs on both 'Buffy' and 'Angel' shows where Angel breaths heavily when he's emotional (since vampires don't have to breath to survive/don't have funcioning lungs), but it has been shown that they can choose to breath (e.g. Spike can smoke) what if Angel is just so overdramatc that he ''chooses'' to breath heavily even though he doesn't have to?






* Sure, [[VampireVannabe Rebecca]] didn't know about Angel's curse when she [[SlippingAMickey drugged him]], but she still knew that he was a vampire and that [[ImAHumanitarian his natural instinct was to eat her alive]], and that she was removing the inhibitions that kept him from doing just that. ''She knew she was risking a horrible death by getting close to Angel in that state, and didn't care.'' Either she was TooDumbToLive or her issues went much, much deeper than we first thought.

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* "[[Recap/AngelS01E17Eternity Eternity]]": Sure, [[VampireVannabe Rebecca]] didn't know about Angel's curse when she [[SlippingAMickey drugged him]], but she still knew that he was a vampire and that [[ImAHumanitarian his natural instinct was to eat her alive]], and that she was removing the inhibitions that kept him from doing just that. ''She knew she was risking a horrible death by getting close to Angel in that state, and didn't care.'' Either she was TooDumbToLive or her issues went much, much deeper than we first thought.thought.
* Say, did Cordelia's family ever find out about her fate?

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* Cordelia telling Fred to shut up near the beginning of ''Fredless'' seems kind of mean at first, until you remember that the rest of the Fang Gang (especially [[VitriolicBestBuds Wes, Cordy, and Gunn]]) pretty much ''communicate'' in [[SnarkToSnarkCombat snark]] and [[VolleyingInsults insults.]] And since the rest of this episode is spent firmly establishing Fred as a permanent part of the team, Cordy's "Shut up, Fred," could actually be interpreted as an early indication that she's accepted Fred into their group, to the point where Cordy's comfortable being snarky towards her.

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* Cordelia telling Fred to shut up near the beginning of ''Fredless'' "[[Recap/AngelS03E05Fredless Fredless]]" seems kind of mean at first, until you remember that the rest of the Fang Gang (especially [[VitriolicBestBuds Wes, Cordy, and Gunn]]) pretty much ''communicate'' in [[SnarkToSnarkCombat snark]] and [[VolleyingInsults insults.]] And since the rest of this episode is spent firmly establishing Fred as a permanent part of the team, Cordy's "Shut up, Fred," could actually be interpreted as an early indication that she's accepted Fred into their group, to the point where Cordy's comfortable being snarky towards her.



* In the very first episode, Doyle tells Angel: "I come in uninvited, so you know I’m not a vampire like yourself." The thing is, that rule doesn't apply to demon lairs... and Doyle is himself a demon. The reason Doyle didn't know the rule is because he looks human, and no vamps would attempt to test the demon-lair rule on him because they're screwed if they're wrong. This line wasn't just a throwaway AsYouKnow informing new viewers that vampires MustBeInvited, it was also establishing a tiny bit of Doyle's character!

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* In the very first episode, "[[Recap/AngelS01E01CityOf City of...]]" Doyle tells Angel: "I come in uninvited, so you know I’m not a vampire like yourself." The thing is, that rule doesn't apply to demon lairs... and Doyle is himself a demon. The reason Doyle didn't know the rule is because he looks human, and no vamps would attempt to test the demon-lair rule on him because they're screwed if they're wrong. This line wasn't just a throwaway AsYouKnow informing new viewers that vampires MustBeInvited, it was also establishing a tiny bit of Doyle's character!



* Wesley figures out, with only minimal clues, that Bethany was molested by her father. It begs the question, how did he manage to catch what the others so easily missed? We already know that Wesley suffered emotional (and possibly physical) abuse at the hands of his own father, but the speed and accuracy with which he deduces Bethany's past makes you wonder what ''else'' may have been done to him.
** His past also makes the episode "Billy" (where he and others are infected with a violent, misogynistic personality), even more horrifying. His joke- "What do you tell a women with two black eyes? Nothing you haven't already told her twice"- might have been learned verbatim from his father. It makes the scene at the end, where Wesley is crying out of guilt and shame, even worse. He knows firsthand what it's like to live with an abuser, and he just inflicted that on another person.
* Sure, [[VampireVannabe Rebecca]] didn't know about Angel's curse when she [[SlippingAMickey drugged him]], but she still knew that he was a vampire and that [[ImAHumanitarian his natural instinct was to eat her alive]], and that she was removing the inhibitions that kept him from doing just that. ''She knew she was risking a horrible death by getting close to Angel in that state, and didn't care.'' Either she was TooDumbToLive or her issues went much, much deeper than we first thought.

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* In "[[Recap/AngelS02E04Untouched Untouched]]", Wesley figures out, with only minimal clues, that Bethany was molested by her father. It begs the question, how did he manage to catch what the others so easily missed? We already know that Wesley suffered emotional (and possibly physical) abuse at the hands of his own father, but the speed and accuracy with which he deduces Bethany's past makes you wonder what ''else'' may have been done to him.
** His past also makes the episode "Billy" "[[Recap/AngelS03E06Billy Billy]]" (where he and others are infected with a violent, misogynistic personality), even more horrifying. His joke- "What do you tell a women with two black eyes? Nothing you haven't already told her twice"- might have been learned verbatim from his father. It makes the scene at the end, where Wesley is crying out of guilt and shame, even worse. He knows firsthand what it's like to live with an abuser, and he just inflicted that on another person.
* Sure, [[VampireVannabe Rebecca]] didn't know about Angel's curse when she [[SlippingAMickey drugged him]], but she still knew that he was a vampire and that [[ImAHumanitarian his natural instinct was to eat her alive]], and that she was removing the inhibitions that kept him from doing just that. ''She knew she was risking a horrible death by getting close to Angel in that state, and didn't care.'' Either she was TooDumbToLive or her issues went much, much deeper than we first thought.thought.
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*Gunn refused to lend his truck to his friends from his old crew when they had some big vampire battle. He told them to wait to battle till he was done with his Angel Inc mission. At first it seems like Gunn just doesn't want to admit that his crew doesn't need him anymore or that part of his life is behind him, but we later learn that he sold his soul for that truck, so it makes sense that he would just lend it out to whomever.
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* Bill Blim's claim that all men have [[HeManWomanHater "primal misogyny"]] in them may seen like a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, but it makes more sense when you consider that it's more likely just Billy viewing humanity through his own twisted lens.

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* Bill Blim's claim that all men have [[HeManWomanHater "primal misogyny"]] in them may seen like a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, but it makes more sense when you consider the idea that it's more likely just Billy viewing simply views humanity through his own twisted lens.lens and assumes that all men think like him.

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* If you just watch ''Buffy'', you have to how the world has lasted this long, given that TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt always seems imminent...then you watch ''Angel'', and find out that [[spoiler: Wolfram and Hart are behind almost every evil thing on either show, and '''they don't want to win''', meaning that all of Buffy's enemies are being [[UnwittingPawn played for suckers.]]]]

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* If you just watch ''Buffy'', you have to how the world has lasted this long, given that TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt always seems imminent...then you watch ''Angel'', and find out that [[spoiler: Wolfram and Hart are behind almost every evil thing on either show, and '''they don't want to win''', meaning that all of Buffy's enemies are being [[UnwittingPawn played for suckers.]]]]]]



* If you’re wondering how John Stoler saw Jasmine for what she really was, when he was in the back of the crowd and it’s established in-universe that [[spoiler: only exposure to Jasmine’s blood breaks her hold on you]]: [[spoiler: Stoler ran into the vampire who had Jasmine’s blood on him]] before joining the crowd, this breaking her hold on him preemptively!

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* If you’re wondering how John Stoler saw Jasmine for what she really was, when he was in the back of the crowd and it’s established in-universe that [[spoiler: only exposure to Jasmine’s blood breaks her hold on you]]: [[spoiler: you: Stoler ran into the vampire who had Jasmine’s blood on him]] him before joining the crowd, this breaking her hold on him preemptively!



* Wesley figures out, with only minimal clues, that Bethany was [[spoiler: molested by her father.]] It begs the question, how did he manage to catch what the others so easily missed? We already know that Wesley suffered emotional (and possibly physical) abuse at the hands of his own father, but the speed and accuracy with which he deduces Bethany's past makes you wonder what ''else'' may have been done to him.

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* Wesley figures out, with only minimal clues, that Bethany was [[spoiler: molested by her father.]] father. It begs the question, how did he manage to catch what the others so easily missed? We already know that Wesley suffered emotional (and possibly physical) abuse at the hands of his own father, but the speed and accuracy with which he deduces Bethany's past makes you wonder what ''else'' may have been done to him.

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